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	<title>Comments on: On Paul &#8220;Dr. Z&#8221; Zimmerman&#8217;s health and influence</title>
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		<title>By: 1bigtex</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/30/on-paul-dr-z-zimmermans-health-and-influence/#comment-1084132</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 11:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@JSpicoli

Well, there are two players on the 1970&#039;s All Decade first team (not tied for second team) who have multiple All Pro awards and at least one ring each who can&#039;t get a sniff of the Hall, Drew Pearson and Cliff Harris.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JSpicoli</p>
<p>Well, there are two players on the 1970&#8242;s All Decade first team (not tied for second team) who have multiple All Pro awards and at least one ring each who can&#8217;t get a sniff of the Hall, Drew Pearson and Cliff Harris.</p>
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		<title>By: JSpicoli</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/30/on-paul-dr-z-zimmermans-health-and-influence/#comment-1083559</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 17:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was ready to finish, but found this gem under Top 10 biggest HOF snubs 
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2. Ken Stabler—Oakland Raiders, Houston Oilers, New Orleans Saints

The Snake led the Raiders to a victory in Super Bowl XI against the Minnesota Vikings. Under his leadership the Raiders played in some of the most memorable games of the &#039;70s and in numerous playoff and conference championship games.

Stabler was a four-time Pro Bowler and is a member of the NFL&#039;s All Decade Team of the &#039;70s. He was the NFL MVP in 1974, the Bert Bell Award winner in 1976, and twice led the league in passing.

Among some sports writers controversy still swirls around the Snake, but it can be argued that Stabler was a better QB at crunch time than a few fellows already in the Hall of Fame.

And if All Decade and a Ring doesn&#039;t get a player in, what does?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was ready to finish, but found this gem under Top 10 biggest HOF snubs<br />
&#8230;..<br />
2. Ken Stabler—Oakland Raiders, Houston Oilers, New Orleans Saints</p>
<p>The Snake led the Raiders to a victory in Super Bowl XI against the Minnesota Vikings. Under his leadership the Raiders played in some of the most memorable games of the &#8217;70s and in numerous playoff and conference championship games.</p>
<p>Stabler was a four-time Pro Bowler and is a member of the NFL&#8217;s All Decade Team of the &#8217;70s. He was the NFL MVP in 1974, the Bert Bell Award winner in 1976, and twice led the league in passing.</p>
<p>Among some sports writers controversy still swirls around the Snake, but it can be argued that Stabler was a better QB at crunch time than a few fellows already in the Hall of Fame.</p>
<p>And if All Decade and a Ring doesn&#8217;t get a player in, what does?</p>
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		<title>By: JSpicoli</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JSpicoli]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 17:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s see, Stabler fixed games, so he won 70% of his games for a decade.  Was he fixing them by making sure the Raiders won?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see, Stabler fixed games, so he won 70% of his games for a decade.  Was he fixing them by making sure the Raiders won?</p>
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		<title>By: JSpicoli</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/30/on-paul-dr-z-zimmermans-health-and-influence/#comment-1083552</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JSpicoli]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 17:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry to go off so much, but this is a travesty and if I had a pet peeve, this would be it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to go off so much, but this is a travesty and if I had a pet peeve, this would be it.</p>
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		<title>By: JSpicoli</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/30/on-paul-dr-z-zimmermans-health-and-influence/#comment-1083551</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JSpicoli]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 17:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In an era with way less passing than today due to the fact that maulers were in the secondary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In an era with way less passing than today due to the fact that maulers were in the secondary.</p>
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		<title>By: JSpicoli</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/30/on-paul-dr-z-zimmermans-health-and-influence/#comment-1083544</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JSpicoli]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 17:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[4 time pro bowler, which is what i meant, thanks for pointing out he was all-pro once, which means THE BEST QB IN THE NFL.  In an era with tark, griese, bradshaw, and many more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4 time pro bowler, which is what i meant, thanks for pointing out he was all-pro once, which means THE BEST QB IN THE NFL.  In an era with tark, griese, bradshaw, and many more.</p>
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		<title>By: JSpicoli</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JSpicoli]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 17:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[stull60060 says: 
May 31, 2011 10:11 AM 
Bob Griese is not better than Ken Stabler period. Neither is Warren Moon or Jim Kelly. Yet, they are in the HOF. Stabler won 70% of his starts for the Raiders. No one was more feared with the game on the line in the last 2 minutes. He was the coolest under pressure. Forget about statistics. Statistics are for losers and the Snake was a winner. I find it hypocritical to say that it was his off field stuff that kept him out of the HOF. Why? The HOF electors voted in a convicted crack head and now rapist in Lawrence Taylor. Mr. Z and those like him should be voting on the players results on the field. Did he win or lose? Fran Tarkenton played for 20 years( a guess) and had all sorts of statistical records but was a loser. NO CHAMPIONSHIPS. Like Jim Kelly, he had four chances to do it and failed. The eyes don’t lie. Watch the games Stabler played in and how he led his team to victory. Stop strictly looking at stats. Like a previous post said, you cannot compare players from different eras. They played under different rules.

__________________________________


BINGO]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stull60060 says:<br />
May 31, 2011 10:11 AM<br />
Bob Griese is not better than Ken Stabler period. Neither is Warren Moon or Jim Kelly. Yet, they are in the HOF. Stabler won 70% of his starts for the Raiders. No one was more feared with the game on the line in the last 2 minutes. He was the coolest under pressure. Forget about statistics. Statistics are for losers and the Snake was a winner. I find it hypocritical to say that it was his off field stuff that kept him out of the HOF. Why? The HOF electors voted in a convicted crack head and now rapist in Lawrence Taylor. Mr. Z and those like him should be voting on the players results on the field. Did he win or lose? Fran Tarkenton played for 20 years( a guess) and had all sorts of statistical records but was a loser. NO CHAMPIONSHIPS. Like Jim Kelly, he had four chances to do it and failed. The eyes don’t lie. Watch the games Stabler played in and how he led his team to victory. Stop strictly looking at stats. Like a previous post said, you cannot compare players from different eras. They played under different rules.</p>
<p>__________________________________</p>
<p>BINGO</p>
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		<title>By: JSpicoli</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JSpicoli]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 17:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;involved in more memorable game, more comebacks, more INCREDIBLE games, than any other one player. &quot;

I don&#039;t hear anyone laughing at this statement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;involved in more memorable game, more comebacks, more INCREDIBLE games, than any other one player. &#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t hear anyone laughing at this statement.</p>
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		<title>By: JSpicoli</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/30/on-paul-dr-z-zimmermans-health-and-influence/#comment-1083532</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JSpicoli]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 17:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s just face it, because a bunch of biased a-holes vote on the HOF, and not the players and members of the hall 100%, the HOF has turned into a political popularity contest.  

If the busts in Canton could talk (thanks John), they laugh out loud at you people saying Stabler does not belong.

The most common response I get when I bring this subject up to someone who watched Stabler play and the 70&#039;s Raiders is &quot;Stabler is not in the HOF already?  Gee, I thought he was&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s just face it, because a bunch of biased a-holes vote on the HOF, and not the players and members of the hall 100%, the HOF has turned into a political popularity contest.  </p>
<p>If the busts in Canton could talk (thanks John), they laugh out loud at you people saying Stabler does not belong.</p>
<p>The most common response I get when I bring this subject up to someone who watched Stabler play and the 70&#8242;s Raiders is &#8220;Stabler is not in the HOF already?  Gee, I thought he was&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: 1bigtex</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[1bigtex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 15:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@stull6oo6o

Let&#039;s not pretend that Stabler was some kind of unstoppable force.  His championship total is one.  That puts him in the same category as Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson.  As far as &quot;off the field&quot; stuff; being suspected of fixing games is not exactly &quot;off the field&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@stull6oo6o</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not pretend that Stabler was some kind of unstoppable force.  His championship total is one.  That puts him in the same category as Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson.  As far as &#8220;off the field&#8221; stuff; being suspected of fixing games is not exactly &#8220;off the field&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: stull60060</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stull60060]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 14:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bob Griese is not better than Ken Stabler period. Neither is Warren Moon or Jim Kelly. Yet, they are in the HOF. Stabler won 70% of his starts for the Raiders. No one was more feared with the game on the line in the last 2 minutes. He was the coolest under pressure. Forget about statistics. Statistics are for losers and the Snake was a winner. I find it hypocritical to say that it was his off field stuff that kept him out of the HOF. Why? The HOF electors voted in a convicted crack head and now rapist in Lawrence Taylor. Mr. Z and those like him should be voting on the players results on the field. Did he win or lose? Fran Tarkenton played for 20 years( a guess) and had all sorts of statistical records but was a loser. NO CHAMPIONSHIPS. Like Jim Kelly, he had four chances to do it and failed. The eyes don&#039;t lie. Watch the games Stabler played in and how he led his team to victory. Stop strictly looking at stats. Like a previous post said, you cannot compare players from different eras. They played under different rules.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob Griese is not better than Ken Stabler period. Neither is Warren Moon or Jim Kelly. Yet, they are in the HOF. Stabler won 70% of his starts for the Raiders. No one was more feared with the game on the line in the last 2 minutes. He was the coolest under pressure. Forget about statistics. Statistics are for losers and the Snake was a winner. I find it hypocritical to say that it was his off field stuff that kept him out of the HOF. Why? The HOF electors voted in a convicted crack head and now rapist in Lawrence Taylor. Mr. Z and those like him should be voting on the players results on the field. Did he win or lose? Fran Tarkenton played for 20 years( a guess) and had all sorts of statistical records but was a loser. NO CHAMPIONSHIPS. Like Jim Kelly, he had four chances to do it and failed. The eyes don&#8217;t lie. Watch the games Stabler played in and how he led his team to victory. Stop strictly looking at stats. Like a previous post said, you cannot compare players from different eras. They played under different rules.</p>
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		<title>By: joemontanawasthegreatest</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 12:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Griese went to 8 pro bowls, had a great winning percentage, 2 Superbowl wins and has a great td-int ration for his day.  I wouldn&#039;t compare Stabler to him in terms of his overall resume. 


Stabler is going to make it on a veteran committee vote.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Griese went to 8 pro bowls, had a great winning percentage, 2 Superbowl wins and has a great td-int ration for his day.  I wouldn&#8217;t compare Stabler to him in terms of his overall resume. </p>
<p>Stabler is going to make it on a veteran committee vote.</p>
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		<title>By: 1bigtex</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[1bigtex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 11:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@JSpicoli

&quot;Stabler won...passing titles...many times All Pro...&quot;
Stabler was All Pro once, in 1974.  He won no passing titles and was 4th in yardage once and 5th in yardage once for his only top 5 finishes.

&quot;It has to do with off the field stuff.&quot;  Agreed, but that &quot;stuff&quot; is some pretty serious stuff.

@joetoronto

Talk about &quot;full of crap&quot;, did you even bother to read what I said?  There was a post earlier that speculated some bias based on a reluctance of Stabler to give interviews.  All I said was that Stabler had a close association with a known gambler and that I believe that is most likely the source for much of the resistance to those who oppose his induction.  There have been stories that Stabler was involved in fixing games.  You don&#039;t have to believe that he fixed any games, but surely you don&#039;t deny that the speculation was there, not when the NFL and a major network spent money investigating the story.  However innocent Ken Stabler&#039;s friendship with Nicholas Dudich may or may not have been, hanging out with a convicted bookmaker who was a known associate of the De Calvatore crime family was not a very bright move on the part of the Snake.  I believe that is the reason for Zimmerman&#039;s &quot;as long as I live&quot; statement, and the reluctance of many other voters to support Stabler as well.
Please feel free to identify anything in this post that is &quot;crap&quot;.  It all looks accurate to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JSpicoli</p>
<p>&#8220;Stabler won&#8230;passing titles&#8230;many times All Pro&#8230;&#8221;<br />
Stabler was All Pro once, in 1974.  He won no passing titles and was 4th in yardage once and 5th in yardage once for his only top 5 finishes.</p>
<p>&#8220;It has to do with off the field stuff.&#8221;  Agreed, but that &#8220;stuff&#8221; is some pretty serious stuff.</p>
<p>@joetoronto</p>
<p>Talk about &#8220;full of crap&#8221;, did you even bother to read what I said?  There was a post earlier that speculated some bias based on a reluctance of Stabler to give interviews.  All I said was that Stabler had a close association with a known gambler and that I believe that is most likely the source for much of the resistance to those who oppose his induction.  There have been stories that Stabler was involved in fixing games.  You don&#8217;t have to believe that he fixed any games, but surely you don&#8217;t deny that the speculation was there, not when the NFL and a major network spent money investigating the story.  However innocent Ken Stabler&#8217;s friendship with Nicholas Dudich may or may not have been, hanging out with a convicted bookmaker who was a known associate of the De Calvatore crime family was not a very bright move on the part of the Snake.  I believe that is the reason for Zimmerman&#8217;s &#8220;as long as I live&#8221; statement, and the reluctance of many other voters to support Stabler as well.<br />
Please feel free to identify anything in this post that is &#8220;crap&#8221;.  It all looks accurate to me.</p>
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		<title>By: joetoronto</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 10:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1bigtex says: May 30, 2011 9:59 PM

I don’t believe that Stabler’s omission from the Hall has anything to do with sportswriters holding a grudge. However, Stabler’s close friendship with a convicted bookmaker who had ties to a New Jersey crime family might have a great deal to do with it.
**************************************************
Like usual, you&#039;re full of crap.

In Zimmerman&#039;s own words...

&quot;Ken Stabler won&#039;t get my vote as long as I live.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1bigtex says: May 30, 2011 9:59 PM</p>
<p>I don’t believe that Stabler’s omission from the Hall has anything to do with sportswriters holding a grudge. However, Stabler’s close friendship with a convicted bookmaker who had ties to a New Jersey crime family might have a great deal to do with it.<br />
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Like usual, you&#8217;re full of crap.</p>
<p>In Zimmerman&#8217;s own words&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Ken Stabler won&#8217;t get my vote as long as I live.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: qoojo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[qoojo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 07:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For awhile there, I got tired of him acting like an ***hole in his column by berating people. I thought he was the most knowledgeable writer at SI, and eventually was the only one I read at SI, with King being a general idiot and a Favre **** sucker. I liked reading his annual announcer grades, and reading what he had to say about line play. Since he left SI, I don&#039;t recall reading more than a handful of articles there, and most of them were links.

It&#039;s a shame he hasn&#039;t recovered, and probably will never recover.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For awhile there, I got tired of him acting like an ***hole in his column by berating people. I thought he was the most knowledgeable writer at SI, and eventually was the only one I read at SI, with King being a general idiot and a Favre **** sucker. I liked reading his annual announcer grades, and reading what he had to say about line play. Since he left SI, I don&#8217;t recall reading more than a handful of articles there, and most of them were links.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a shame he hasn&#8217;t recovered, and probably will never recover.</p>
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		<title>By: JSpicoli</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JSpicoli]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 06:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There has never been a cooler player under pressure than Ken Stabler.  

&#039;Jascha Heifetz never played the violin with more dexterity than Kenny Stabler is playing the defense of the Minnesota Vikings.&quot;

RIP Mr. King.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There has never been a cooler player under pressure than Ken Stabler.  </p>
<p>&#8216;Jascha Heifetz never played the violin with more dexterity than Kenny Stabler is playing the defense of the Minnesota Vikings.&#8221;</p>
<p>RIP Mr. King.</p>
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		<title>By: JSpicoli</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JSpicoli]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 06:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stabler was so much better than Griese it is not even funny.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stabler was so much better than Griese it is not even funny.</p>
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		<title>By: JSpicoli</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/30/on-paul-dr-z-zimmermans-health-and-influence/#comment-1083101</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JSpicoli]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 06:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Or it could be, as Dr. Z has written many times, Stabler’s negative TD-INT ratio. Zim hates turnovers with a passion and makes the case that Stabler wasn’t careful enough with the ball to be considered truly GREAT. All this talk about the biased press and whatnot is just cover for the fact that ‘The Snake’ was simply a good qb and not a HOF one.&quot;

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Any one who says things like this is a moron, or 21 years old and hooked on comparing stats that are apples to oranges, or both.

Do you people even relaize how different (and better) the game was in the 70&#039;s?  You think TO would be in one piece playing the 70&#039;s?  DB&#039;s made life tough on Offenses.   It is fundamentally flawed to compare stats from different era&#039;s of a game that has prostituted itself into some kind of touch football game with the offense getting the keys to the car in the 80&#039;s.

I&#039;m not going to google it, I&#039;ve done it before, but the Stabler Raiders were in like 6 of 7 AFC Championship games over 7 years,  only falling short due to running into the other big dynasty&#039;s of the 70&#039;s the Dolphins and the Steelers, and things like the immaculate reception and Rob Lytle&#039;s botched fumble call.  Stabler won an MVP, passing titles, and was involved in more memorable game, more comebacks, more INCREDIBLE games, than any other one player.   All Pro many times.  NFL&#039;s most accurate passer.   Sea of Hands, Immaculate Reception, Holy Roller, Ghost to the Post.  He defined the clutch QB of the time, and was Joe Montana with the 2 minute drill before Joe Montana.  Heck,  Stabler usually only needed 1:10.

The reason this fool is biased against Snake has nothing to do with football.  It has to do with off the field stuff.

You are embarrassing yourself as an NFL fan to defend the shallow and petty bias of this moron Dr. Z.

I wish him nothing, and that is the best thing I can say about the POS.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Or it could be, as Dr. Z has written many times, Stabler’s negative TD-INT ratio. Zim hates turnovers with a passion and makes the case that Stabler wasn’t careful enough with the ball to be considered truly GREAT. All this talk about the biased press and whatnot is just cover for the fact that ‘The Snake’ was simply a good qb and not a HOF one.&#8221;</p>
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<p>Any one who says things like this is a moron, or 21 years old and hooked on comparing stats that are apples to oranges, or both.</p>
<p>Do you people even relaize how different (and better) the game was in the 70&#8242;s?  You think TO would be in one piece playing the 70&#8242;s?  DB&#8217;s made life tough on Offenses.   It is fundamentally flawed to compare stats from different era&#8217;s of a game that has prostituted itself into some kind of touch football game with the offense getting the keys to the car in the 80&#8242;s.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to google it, I&#8217;ve done it before, but the Stabler Raiders were in like 6 of 7 AFC Championship games over 7 years,  only falling short due to running into the other big dynasty&#8217;s of the 70&#8242;s the Dolphins and the Steelers, and things like the immaculate reception and Rob Lytle&#8217;s botched fumble call.  Stabler won an MVP, passing titles, and was involved in more memorable game, more comebacks, more INCREDIBLE games, than any other one player.   All Pro many times.  NFL&#8217;s most accurate passer.   Sea of Hands, Immaculate Reception, Holy Roller, Ghost to the Post.  He defined the clutch QB of the time, and was Joe Montana with the 2 minute drill before Joe Montana.  Heck,  Stabler usually only needed 1:10.</p>
<p>The reason this fool is biased against Snake has nothing to do with football.  It has to do with off the field stuff.</p>
<p>You are embarrassing yourself as an NFL fan to defend the shallow and petty bias of this moron Dr. Z.</p>
<p>I wish him nothing, and that is the best thing I can say about the POS.</p>
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		<title>By: 1phd</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/30/on-paul-dr-z-zimmermans-health-and-influence/#comment-1083087</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[1phd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 04:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wish Dr Z the restoration of good health and thought I don&#039;t agree with them, I&#039;m not liking the censorship here whitewashing the comments.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish Dr Z the restoration of good health and thought I don&#8217;t agree with them, I&#8217;m not liking the censorship here whitewashing the comments.</p>
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		<title>By: hobbstweedle</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/30/on-paul-dr-z-zimmermans-health-and-influence/#comment-1083024</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hobbstweedle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 02:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rosenthal writes about &quot;Dr. Z,&quot; a mediocre writer with obvious biases.  What next?  A requiem to Shecky Greene?

If you wanna write about the guy&#039;s medical issues and how they impact SI.com, fine.  But at least try to demonstrate a little objectivity, even if Zimmerman couldn&#039;t, and even if you&#039;re only pretending.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rosenthal writes about &#8220;Dr. Z,&#8221; a mediocre writer with obvious biases.  What next?  A requiem to Shecky Greene?</p>
<p>If you wanna write about the guy&#8217;s medical issues and how they impact SI.com, fine.  But at least try to demonstrate a little objectivity, even if Zimmerman couldn&#8217;t, and even if you&#8217;re only pretending.</p>
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		<title>By: 1bigtex</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/30/on-paul-dr-z-zimmermans-health-and-influence/#comment-1083004</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[1bigtex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 01:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t believe that Stabler&#039;s omission from the Hall has anything to do with sportswriters holding a grudge.  However, Stabler&#039;s close friendship with a convicted bookmaker who had ties to a New Jersey crime family might have a great deal to do with it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe that Stabler&#8217;s omission from the Hall has anything to do with sportswriters holding a grudge.  However, Stabler&#8217;s close friendship with a convicted bookmaker who had ties to a New Jersey crime family might have a great deal to do with it.</p>
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		<title>By: 8man</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/30/on-paul-dr-z-zimmermans-health-and-influence/#comment-1082995</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[8man]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 01:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As much as he mentioned the &quot;Flaming Redhead&quot; in his columns I had an inkling that he must truly love her.

Now we all know why.

Good luck, Dr. Z!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as he mentioned the &#8220;Flaming Redhead&#8221; in his columns I had an inkling that he must truly love her.</p>
<p>Now we all know why.</p>
<p>Good luck, Dr. Z!</p>
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		<title>By: serr8d</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/30/on-paul-dr-z-zimmermans-health-and-influence/#comment-1082993</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[serr8d]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 01:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, shout-outs to Dr. Z. 

But not on Memorial Day. That&#039;s for the men and women who died in service.

You were thinking of Veteran&#039;s Day, maybe?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, shout-outs to Dr. Z. </p>
<p>But not on Memorial Day. That&#8217;s for the men and women who died in service.</p>
<p>You were thinking of Veteran&#8217;s Day, maybe?</p>
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		<title>By: swervinmervin</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/30/on-paul-dr-z-zimmermans-health-and-influence/#comment-1082965</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[swervinmervin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 01:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tagryn - You&#039;re way off.  Stabler&#039;s numbers are almost exatnly on par with Griese and Namath.  Both are HOFers.  Stabler needs to be in if those others are in.  Only thing holding him back is the sportswriters holding a grudge. I think its fairly obvious.  Especially when you look at Namath and Griese.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tagryn &#8211; You&#8217;re way off.  Stabler&#8217;s numbers are almost exatnly on par with Griese and Namath.  Both are HOFers.  Stabler needs to be in if those others are in.  Only thing holding him back is the sportswriters holding a grudge. I think its fairly obvious.  Especially when you look at Namath and Griese.</p>
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		<title>By: bluefan204</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/30/on-paul-dr-z-zimmermans-health-and-influence/#comment-1082960</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bluefan204]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 01:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many, many positive vibes and prayers going out to Dr. Z!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many, many positive vibes and prayers going out to Dr. Z!</p>
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		<title>By: joelvis72</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/30/on-paul-dr-z-zimmermans-health-and-influence/#comment-1082932</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[joelvis72]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 00:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Which bookstore?  Beckham&#039;s?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which bookstore?  Beckham&#8217;s?</p>
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		<title>By: tagryn</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/30/on-paul-dr-z-zimmermans-health-and-influence/#comment-1082899</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tagryn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 23:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In Tom Danyluk&#039;s book &quot;The Super &#039;70s,&quot; on page 48 Dr. Z reflects on Stabler. It&#039;s pretty much what Z says in swervinmervin&#039;s post above: Stabler had all the gifts in the world, but was too lazy to capitalize on them, and Z did believe that he set up that sportswriter by planting drugs on him as a joke. The page also includes a quote from teammate TE Dave Casper that Stabler basically didn&#039;t bother studying game plans and preferred to wing it on his natural talent. For a work-ethic guy like Zimmerman, its easy to see why that would be enough to cross him off the HoF list. 

For other voters, Stabler&#039;s problem as I see it is that compared to other HoF QBs of that age, he has neither the multiple championships of a Bradshaw nor the excellent passing TD-to-INT ratios of a Staubach, Fouts, or even a Ken Anderson. He was an exciting but inconsistent player throughout his career, and that just hasn&#039;t been good enough to merit entry into the HoF.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Tom Danyluk&#8217;s book &#8220;The Super &#8217;70s,&#8221; on page 48 Dr. Z reflects on Stabler. It&#8217;s pretty much what Z says in swervinmervin&#8217;s post above: Stabler had all the gifts in the world, but was too lazy to capitalize on them, and Z did believe that he set up that sportswriter by planting drugs on him as a joke. The page also includes a quote from teammate TE Dave Casper that Stabler basically didn&#8217;t bother studying game plans and preferred to wing it on his natural talent. For a work-ethic guy like Zimmerman, its easy to see why that would be enough to cross him off the HoF list. </p>
<p>For other voters, Stabler&#8217;s problem as I see it is that compared to other HoF QBs of that age, he has neither the multiple championships of a Bradshaw nor the excellent passing TD-to-INT ratios of a Staubach, Fouts, or even a Ken Anderson. He was an exciting but inconsistent player throughout his career, and that just hasn&#8217;t been good enough to merit entry into the HoF.</p>
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		<title>By: nahcouldntbethat</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/30/on-paul-dr-z-zimmermans-health-and-influence/#comment-1082894</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nahcouldntbethat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 23:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are no great writers about football in this age because all of the major ones are essentially gossip columnists who do a bad job of hiding their allegiances.

Dr. Z was a pleasure to read and I actually learned something about football now and then in the process.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are no great writers about football in this age because all of the major ones are essentially gossip columnists who do a bad job of hiding their allegiances.</p>
<p>Dr. Z was a pleasure to read and I actually learned something about football now and then in the process.</p>
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		<title>By: Wisconsin77</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/30/on-paul-dr-z-zimmermans-health-and-influence/#comment-1082891</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wisconsin77]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 23:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Never read his book, just his articles and they weren&#039;t that great.  Not sure what all the hubub is about.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never read his book, just his articles and they weren&#8217;t that great.  Not sure what all the hubub is about.</p>
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		<title>By: commandercornpone</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/30/on-paul-dr-z-zimmermans-health-and-influence/#comment-1082883</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[commandercornpone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 23:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I prefer the book &quot;They Call It A Game&quot;, by former Browns CB Bernie Parrish.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I prefer the book &#8220;They Call It A Game&#8221;, by former Browns CB Bernie Parrish.</p>
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