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Kyle Shanahan could be steering Redskins quarterback decisions

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The quick collapse of the Donovan McNabb era in Washington didn’t come as a total shock.  The rise of John Beck this offseason was a lot more surprising.

So how did this happen?

According to Pete Prisco of CBSSports.com, it’s largely been a Kyle Shanahan production.

“The son doesn’t like [McNabb],” one source told Prisco.

The relationship reportedly never developed between McNabb and Kyle Shanahan, the team’s offensive coordinator.  The younger Shanahan reportedly does like Beck, although that doesn’t explain why Rex Grossman started over Beck late last season.

“Mike Shanahan listened to his son’s recommendation to sit [McNabb] down, a son who has more power than most offensive coordinators in the NFL, probably because he has the same last name as the head coach,” Prisco writes.

We don’t know the situation enough to say if Kyle Shanahan truly holds that much sway. There are plenty of coordinators that have a large say in quarterback decisions.

We do know that the next year or two in Washington will mean more to Kyle Shanahan’s career than his father’s.  If they turn the ship around, Kyle could wind up being the team’s next head coach.

If not, it would be the first major setback for one of the most promising young coaching prospects in the league.

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  1. willycents says: May 31, 2011 8:36 AM

    McNabb did so well when he was laying last year; I mean; he was having an all pro season and the Redskins were headed to the playoffs with him leading the team, Right?
    Oh, excuse me, they were where in the standings? I’m sorry, I must have confused him with Tom Brady.

  2. joemontanawasthegreatest says: May 31, 2011 8:38 AM

    He is grooming him to be a head coach and carry on his legacy.

    Of course he has a ton of influence.

  3. mangoldbond says: May 31, 2011 8:40 AM

    He reminds me of McDaniels. This could be because he’s young, but it seems he acts like a bit of a punk as well. Careful Redskins…

  4. joeflaccosunibrow says: May 31, 2011 8:44 AM

    News flash, Jerry Jones is driving Cowboy personnel decisions. This is obvious.

    I appreciate making the post quota.

  5. duanethomas says: May 31, 2011 8:48 AM

    Kyle is one of the Shula boys, who once his dad leaves the NFL he won’t have a job. Where else in the world would he be a coordinator if his father wasn’t the coach?

  6. kevinwi says: May 31, 2011 8:49 AM

    Kyle is the puppet of his father….he makes zero decisions.

  7. drop703 says: May 31, 2011 9:00 AM

    As a Redskins fan…I like Kyle Shanahan. Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan made a decision to trade for McNabb more for leadership and a winning attitude. They needed it. It failed. Now Kyle wants the next QB to be someone he can develop and show him the offense like he did with Matt Schaub. I don’t buy that it’s John Beck though. I look for them to trade for a QB and acquire an undrafted QB and start from scratch.

  8. paul82461 says: May 31, 2011 9:00 AM

    So if Manning or Brady was on the team and Kyle didnt like him they would have to go? Kyle will be the next to screw up the Skins. John Beck???….ummm no.

  9. clintonportisheadd says: May 31, 2011 9:04 AM

    Question—Whats the best way to get a job in the NFL?

    Answer–Have the same last name as a head coach.

    Politics, Hollywood, and pro football seem to be awash in nepotism.

  10. tundey says: May 31, 2011 9:08 AM

    “If they turn the ship around, Kyle could wind up being the team’s next head coach.” Really? Where did that come from? Did you just make it up? Or has Dan Snyder shown that he’s enamored with Kyle? Truly, I wonder how you guys make this stuff up.

  11. baddegg says: May 31, 2011 9:08 AM

    duanethomas says: May 31, 2011 8:48 AM

    Where else in the world would he be a coordinator if his father wasn’t the coach?
    ——————-
    Houston?

  12. hendawg21 says: May 31, 2011 9:17 AM

    Hey don’t watch much football???

    duanethomas says:
    May 31, 2011 8:48 AM
    Kyle is one of the Shula boys, who once his dad leaves the NFL he won’t have a job. Where else in the world would he be a coordinator if his father wasn’t the coach?

    Did you forget he was a pretty successful coordinator in HOUSTON….geez must be a cowboy fan…

  13. abninf says: May 31, 2011 9:18 AM

    joeflaccosunibrow says: May 31, 2011 8:44 AM

    News flash, Jerry Jones is driving Cowboy personnel decisions. This is obvious.

    I appreciate making the post quota.
    —————————————————

    News flash, JJ, and Kyle for that matter, have more time wearing football pads than many head coaches.

  14. boysroll says: May 31, 2011 9:24 AM

    nice to see dumb and dumber leading this dysfunctional org. Let’s face it….no QB equals last place and soon to be unemployed coaches.

    This team could have a strong shot at Luck with the worst record is my prediction. LMAO.

  15. triplepropalm says: May 31, 2011 9:32 AM

    The offensive coordinator and potential head coach in waiting has a huge hand in who the team’s starting QB is?

    No way………

  16. weneedlinemen42 says: May 31, 2011 9:36 AM

    From what I’ve read, Kyle Shanahan never wanted McNabb. Kyle was against making the trade but Mike over-ruled him.

    If Kyle has an increased say in the process it is because the trade not only turned out to be a mistake but that Kyle might actually have been right on the money in his evaluation of McNabb.

    The front office may also have realised that Kyle’s age is going to cause problems if he has to deal with an older veteran player, who wont necessarily take kindly to taking orders from a coach who is the same age or younger than them.

    Kyle Shanahan’s offense worked with the Texans, and started to work much better when Rex Grossman took over. Considering how limited Grossman is, and the lack of practice reps he received during the first half of the season, Kyle’s reputation probably received a boost last season. At least among the staff, who got to see what was happening in practice.

  17. thereisalwaysnextyear says: May 31, 2011 9:42 AM

    “…although that doesn’t explain why Rex Grossman started over Beck late last season.”

    Perhaps because Sexy Rexy had played in his system for almost 2 full years at that point?

  18. hendawg21 says: May 31, 2011 9:47 AM

    boysroll says:
    May 31, 2011 9:24 AM
    nice to see dumb and dumber leading this dysfunctional org. Let’s face it….no QB equals last place and soon to be unemployed coaches.

    This team could have a strong shot at Luck with the worst record is my prediction. LMAO.

    Well this is quite interesting the nerve to talk about the Redskins who finished 6-10 and where they were pretty much picked to finish and won two more games than the previous season. And the Cowboys who were picked as a super bowl favorite ended up being a total disaster and also finished 6-10 and picked ahead of the Redskins.

    Sometimes I wonder about the intelligence of the Cowboy faithful…

  19. winkeroni says: May 31, 2011 9:53 AM

    I sincerely hope that Snyder means it when he claims that he’s not making any football decisi0ns. I almost believe him because Shanahan hasn’t been fired.

    I hope they are looking for another qb because I hate to sell someone short but I don’t see either Beck or Grossman becoming a starting caliber qb. Maybe Shanahan and Shanahan are just trying to attract a free agent qb to come to DC because they may have a good shot at starting.

    Not a Redskins fan but as a fan of the game an awful team makes awful entertainment.

  20. crackerjackjoe says: May 31, 2011 9:56 AM

    I do not understand this infatuation with Kyle Shanahan. Kyle got the job in Houston only because Kubiak worked for his dad in Denver.

    When Shanahan was promoted to OC in Houston, Kubiak admitted to calling the plays in 2008 (he graciously let Kyle call one game). In 2009, no one outside the organization seems to know for certain whether or not Shanahan actually called the plays or even designed the offense. Let’s say that he did; one decent year in a system already designed by Kubiak does not create a “genius”.

    Now, if he had taken this mediocre crew in Washington and made them a Top 10 offense this past season, I might have reconsidered my position. While the Skins finished 18th in yards, much of those came late as garbage time. In the only stat that matters, they finished 25th.

    A good coach can get the best out of every player without alienating them along the way. Shanahan is too infatuated with himself to be a good OC, let alone a good HC.

  21. goriidskiiin says: May 31, 2011 10:25 AM

    Skins fans, you need to RELAX. They are working hard at rebuilding this team. Trust in Shanahan. He knows what he is doing more than anyone. I will take Beck any day instead of paying McNabb. He was a pretty bad QB when he played last year. Not worth the money. Just because he does not share his plan or is the most personable man doesn’t mean he has no idea what he is doing. Kyle Shanahan is a great coach. He will be making calls for the Skins in a few years.

  22. blackqbwhiterb says: May 31, 2011 10:25 AM

    This is the problem with the son working for the Dad. When the kid does something, the old man won’t put a foot down like he would with another. Organizations of any kind have problems with this, be they football teams, fire departments, or anything else. And when the kid has free reign for good or bad, the others in the organization act differently, feel differently, etc.

  23. blackqbwhiterb says: May 31, 2011 10:26 AM

    Simply put, the football coaching staff isn’t a place for friends and family, it’s gotta be all business if it’s going to work right.

  24. stevo8drum says: May 31, 2011 10:46 AM

    i know a former coach who worked for the skins- trust me- Kyle is killing the team and does not know the game of football. He tried to teach Mcnabb the game like he was a rookie and has never shown the respect a vet should get. Kyle wants a young guy to lord over. As an eagles fan, all of this makes me smile. Sorry McNabb for the mess we sent you to.

  25. hendawg21 says: May 31, 2011 10:56 AM

    stevo8drum says:
    May 31, 2011 10:46 AM
    i know a former coach who worked for the skins- trust me- Kyle is killing the team and does not know the game of football. He tried to teach Mcnabb the game like he was a rookie and has never shown the respect a vet should get. Kyle wants a young guy to lord over. As an eagles fan, all of this makes me smile. Sorry McNabb for the mess we sent you to.

    And we are to believe you because??? And who is this former coach??? To be honest McNabb played the same way he did in Philly only difference he went from the only offense he’d ever played in to an offense which required him to think a bit more and in his defense I think most QB’s would have the same issue…say for instance Peyton Manning he’s used the same verbage and offense his entire career i’ll bet if he were to go to another team who ran a different offense he’d struggle as well…

  26. willycents says: May 31, 2011 11:03 AM

    stevo8drum says:May 31, 2011 10:46 AM

    .”…never shown the respect a vet should get…”
    ————————————————–
    Two kinds of respect, positional and earned. Positional lasts only for a short time and, necessarily, must transition to earned.
    What you are saying is that a vet deserves positional respect regardless of whether he transitions to earned or not? Some are respected because of their perfomance on the field, but, none are respected just because they are “vets.”

  27. tombrookshire says: May 31, 2011 11:08 AM

    I can guarantee you this much, neither Beck or Grossman will be turning that ship around anytime soon. And if the Shannys are hitching their fortune to either of these guys, their tenure in DC will be remarkably short. If Shanny the younger is hoping his star will rise on the strength of his work with QBs, he should fight like crazy to get someone in there who can win some games. It was easy to foresee that McNabb would stick up the joint. Everyone but Shanny knew he was already done. Otherwise, why would the Eagles have traded him within the Div.? That move, for a change was not a result of Reid arrogance, but a certain amount of deftness on his part, as much as I hate to give the devil his due.

  28. stevo8drum says: May 31, 2011 11:14 AM

    Hendawa- i dont care if you do or dont believe me- i didnt write it because i want everyone to think im cool or something. Just a FYI.

    willy- Anyone who does something for 10+ years should not be spoken to like he has never done it at all.

    As i said before- Im an eagles fan and love this. The skins will continue to be at the bottom of the NFCE

  29. thekingdave says: May 31, 2011 11:14 AM

    duanethomas,

    Stop posting here. Shanahan was the OC when Schaub threw for 4700 yards in 2009. First bishes!

  30. stevo8drum says: May 31, 2011 11:23 AM

    also- im not going to tell you the coach. It could hurt him- again-i dont care if you believe me or not. as far as McNabb goes….

    This was not about Mcnabb struggling to learn the system..McNabb played very well in philly the year before because he actually had weapons. Our Oline has been about as bad as the skins for a while but we had people to throw to.

    Other players have been worried about Kyles system too. Many players were unhappy with how he tries to run the team.

  31. ravensfan4life52 says: May 31, 2011 11:45 AM

    and that’s their problem. Snyder decided to stop being involved with football operations at the wrong time. The Shanahans are going to make that team even worse than it was and they’re gonna waste a whole lot of money doing it. I’m glad im not a Redskins fan right now.

  32. really2011 says: May 31, 2011 12:07 PM

    Not sure where all of the hate for McNabb comes in but I find it interesting that the main critique is his accuracy “otherwise masked as throwing into the dirt.” Now I understand that someone’s favorite analyst made that comment and many are too mentally challenged to study it out for themselves – or maybe someone watched a few Eagles games and saw it happen so they pasted it across an 11 year career. In either case here are some numbers of other terrible QB’s who were even “less accurate” than McNabb.

    Quarterback Comp %
    Donovan McNabb 58.90%
    Dan Fouts 58.80%
    Warren Moon 58.40%
    Eli Manning 58.00%
    Bart Starr 57.40%
    Drew Bledsoe 57.20%
    Len Dawson 57.10%
    Sonny Jurgensen 57.10%
    Boomer Esiason 57.00%
    Fran Tarkenton 57.00%
    Roger Staubach 57.00%
    John Elway 56.90%
    Joe Theismann 56.70%
    Randall Cunningham 56.60%
    Bob Griese 56.20%
    Phil Simms 55.40%
    Johnny Unitas 54.60%
    Rex Grossman 54.20%
    Terry Bradshaw 51.90%
    Sid Luckman 51.80%
    Don Meredith 50.70%
    Joe Namath 50.10%

    I’ll ignore the fact that Grossman is on this least near the bottom and that he seems to be hailed for his performance based on 133 attempts.

    The facts , inspite of everything else…

    McNabb was more accurate
    McNabb and a higher Yds/Attempt
    McNabb and Grossman had virtually the same INT Rate (3.2% vs. 3.0%)
    Grossman wins in TD Rate all due to a 4 TD performance at Dallas.

    So we are comparing a guy who learned an offense after spending his entire pro career in a different offense to a guy who spent the last 2 years working in the system and the best we can say is that save for 1 game (Dallas) they are virtually the same. Yep I can see why someone would choose the career dud in that situation (sarcasm).

    Ok apologies for the facts – back to the anecdotal bashing of McNabb.

  33. calzone21411 says: May 31, 2011 12:39 PM

    The Shanahan’s are only cleaning up Danny Boy’s mess. Regardless of who has final say at quarterback, only Snyder could be stupid enough to make a trade for an aging veteran from a division rival.

  34. daledoback73 says: May 31, 2011 2:01 PM

    Not sure where all of the hate for McNabb comes in but I find it interesting that the main critique is his accuracy “otherwise masked as throwing into the dirt.” Now I understand that someone’s favorite analyst made that comment and many are too mentally challenged to study it out for themselves – or maybe someone watched a few Eagles games and saw it happen so they pasted it across an 11 year career. In either case here are some numbers of other terrible QB’s who were even “less accurate” than McNabb.

    Quarterback Comp %
    Donovan McNabb 58.90%
    Dan Fouts 58.80%
    Warren Moon 58.40%
    Eli Manning 58.00%
    Bart Starr 57.40%
    Drew Bledsoe 57.20%
    Len Dawson 57.10%
    Sonny Jurgensen 57.10%
    Boomer Esiason 57.00%
    Fran Tarkenton 57.00%
    Roger Staubach 57.00%
    John Elway 56.90%
    Joe Theismann 56.70%
    Randall Cunningham 56.60%
    Bob Griese 56.20%
    Phil Simms 55.40%
    Johnny Unitas 54.60%
    Rex Grossman 54.20%
    Terry Bradshaw 51.90%
    Sid Luckman 51.80%
    Don Meredith 50.70%
    Joe Namath 50.10%

    I’ll ignore the fact that Grossman is on this least near the bottom and that he seems to be hailed for his performance based on 133 attempts.

    The facts , inspite of everything else…

    McNabb was more accurate
    McNabb and a higher Yds/Attempt
    McNabb and Grossman had virtually the same INT Rate (3.2% vs. 3.0%)
    Grossman wins in TD Rate all due to a 4 TD performance at Dallas.

    So we are comparing a guy who learned an offense after spending his entire pro career in a different offense to a guy who spent the last 2 years working in the system and the best we can say is that save for 1 game (Dallas) they are virtually the same. Yep I can see why someone would choose the career dud in that situation (sarcasm).

    Ok apologies for the facts – back to the anecdotal bashing of McNabb.

    ————————————————–
    Good work by you!

    Your missing one number though.

    Super Bowl Wins.

  35. stevo8drum says: May 31, 2011 2:43 PM

    daldoe- give me a break. For years McNabb had no weapons and a coach who only throws. Now the birds have weapons and no D. Dan Marino is one of the all time best and has no SB wins. And a guy like Eli has one… so dont give me that crap.

    Bottom line is that it takes more than 1 player to win the SB.

  36. daledoback73 says: May 31, 2011 3:54 PM

    stevo8drum says: May 31, 2011 2:43 PM

    daldoe- give me a break. For years McNabb had no weapons and a coach who only throws. Now the birds have weapons and no D. Dan Marino is one of the all time best and has no SB wins. And a guy like Eli has one… so dont give me that crap.

    Bottom line is that it takes more than 1 player to win the SB.

    ____________________________

    Well, hopefully McNabb will prove everyone wrong when he finally wins a Super Bowl.

  37. daledoback73 says: May 31, 2011 3:55 PM

    Just make sure he has “Weapons”

  38. jaypace says: May 31, 2011 5:44 PM

    For all the numbers mcnabb and grossman have been to the same number of super bowls

  39. ravensfan4life52 says: May 31, 2011 8:39 PM

    @daledoback73

    How many Super Bowl Rings does Rex Grossman have? how about John Beck? McNabb has gotten to a Super Bowl and 5 NFC Championships with no weapons. he’s gotten their off of his talent and his coache’s play calling. his talent is still their. the coaching…not so much.

    The problems with the redskins are the coaches and the lack of talent. and i find it hilarious that Redskins fans are too thick to realize it. Who do you have on offense. McNabb and….????? oh yeah Santa Moss who’s how old? you need to learn how to draft, and how to weapons around your QBs. You guys are so quick to blame the QB. you blame Jason Campbell and he had what 5 different offenses in 5 years or something like that. that would make any QB look bad. you guys have a bad owner, bad coaches, and a bad GM. you guys don’t need to be worrying about your QB you need to be worrying about your franchise.

  40. weneedlinemen42 says: Jun 1, 2011 6:52 AM

    daledoback73 says: May 31, 2011 2:01 PM

    You cannot compare McNabb’s stats with anyone of previous decades. The passing game has totally changed not because there is totally different strategic emphasis, with short passes taking over from the running game, but massive changes in the rules.

    McNabb has played his entire career in a modern version of the West Coast, which cuts out most of the more challenging routes from Bill Walsh’s original. You cannot compare his completion stats to someone like Dan Fouts or Warren Moon. You certainly cannot compare it to guys like Bart Starr and Len Dawson who might as well have been playing an entirely different sport.

    So let’s have a look at the people on that list that it is reasonable to compare stats with:

    Quarterback Comp %

    Donovan McNabb 58.90%
    Eli Manning 58.00%
    Drew Bledsoe 57.20%
    Rex Grossman 54.20%

    Drew Bledsoe spent a lot of his time on bad teams and also spent a lot more time throwing deep routes. Eli Manning has also spent his career on teams that use the running game to negotiate short yardage, using passing game to stretch the field. He is also renowned for not being that accurate. Rex Grossman is famously inaccurate. Regarded as not being very good and has spent most of his career on teams with worse receiving corps than McNabb ever had in Philly.
    So really your list comes down to 3-QBs, 2 of which are widely regarded as inaccurate.

    Also, let’s not ignore the fact the Rex Grossman’s performance in the same offense came after spending the whole of training camp, pre-season and the first 9-weeks getting the practices reps of a back-up, i.e not that many. It came after not seeing much meaningful game time for two full years.

    So essentially McNabb after getting most of the practice reps ran the system about as well as a guy who was rusty, regarded as bad quarterback and somehow that is not indicative of poor play because Grossman had a playbook for a whole year more.

    Seriously, watch some tape of McNabb last year. Watch him stare down receivers and miss open ones. Watch him halt receivers in their tracks because he didn’t lead them. Watch him repeatedly treat Santana Moss as if he is as tall as Randy Moss. He was either really inaccurate, or he was trying to recruit some happy linebacker to break all Santana’s ribs.

    Watch the final quarter of the Lions game. Watch that final interception. Watch him miss the open receiver dropping into space on the left. Watch as he stares down his receiver until 3-defenders are converging on him. Then watch as he almost drills it, but instead delivers a beautiful, easily catchable ball towards a receiver who is not just covered but one that came out of his break seconds before.

    It provides a beautiful summary of many of his passes. He ignored open receivers. Waited too long after a receiver had come out of his break and ignored the coverage of his target man.

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