I gave one of your comments a big thumbs up not long ago, too. Good thing the May D-Day has come and gone or I’d be getting worried

@tommyf15

Please forgive my man Hooky. He is clearly a paid troll by the owners to try and swing public opinions.

1. No idiot ever volunteers to work “2 extra days” for free when he knows the company is making record profits.

2. I wish I had employees and customers like Hooky. I wouldnt have to work so hard. Dude considers taking a % of the money from the salary pool is not a pay cut. It’s like taking $100k from the $500k salary pool and say hey it’s not a paycut.

3. Dude forgets that it is written in the last CBA that the players have the right to decertify the union. The player has every right to get the most for their skillsets just like the rest of us in the real world.

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1a. 2 extra games = increased revenue = higher salary cap = more money for players on future contracts. Regardless, the owners tabled the 18 games issue for now so it’s a nonissue.

1b. The players turned down auditted financials for 5 years given to a mutually acceptable third party for verification. The players turned it down for PR reasons. It sounds like it worked. Soundbytes over substance.

2. Your analagy is woefully inaccurate. A more accurate way to explain it (using your $) is if the 2011 salary pool is $500k, the owners want the 2012 pool to be $525k instead of $550k. Do you understand now how the players aren’t taking a paycut?

3. The players had the right to decertify 6 months after the expiration of the CBA. Has it been 6 months? No. That is the basis of the owners argument. If the players wait 6 months it might’ve cost them money, that’s why they jumped the gun on decertification.

With spell check being a feature on mainline computers since the late 70′s, you still manage to mangle “negotiated”

You spell it like You pronounce it with a “c” in it.

Don’t stalk me like you do Deb.

Push away from the table and hit the treadmill.

And sure, they can sue, and you can support it for ideological reasons, but the rest of us kind of enjoyed the NFL of the past 12 years.

Despite your spin, that is exactly where your positions logically take you -barring a Supreme Court ruling that changes everything.

Hopefully, these “secret” talks lead to a deal that both sides can live with.

If,as some believe, every “pro-owner” poster is an NFL employee, it only follows that every “pro-player” poster is an NFL player.

lets face it the owners gave the players their best offer on the final day, hours before the lockout. Now the players are begging for that deal

Your onging preoccupation with me is amusing. And given the tone and content of your posts, somehow I’m not surprised you fail to grasp any intelligence in my comments.

Brilliant!

and not only that, the owners want the players to be forced to join a union against their will.

So much for owners hating unions.

They want EVERYBODY to be in one.

SMH.

And, still not a word about the developments described in the article.

Then that isn’t what you’re paid to do.

Attempts at insult and spin, that’s your forte`.

Time for another laugh, and off to sleep, hopeful something good comes of both sides sitting down.

The players are happy with the last contract. It allowed for the league and owners to make record profits. Now they say they want the same 50/50 split. That’s their offer.

The owners want a lower split. Why should the players take a lower cut when they just helped the owners make record profits and the most powerful sports in America?

Please forgive my man Hooky. He is clearly a paid troll by the owners to try and swing public opinions.

1. No idiot ever volunteers to work “2 extra days” for free when he knows the company is making record profits.

2. I wish I had employees and customers like Hooky. I wouldnt have to work so hard. Dude considers taking a % of the money from the salary pool is not a pay cut. It’s like taking $100k from the $500k salary pool and say hey it’s not a paycut.

3. Dude forgets that it is written in the last CBA that the players have the right to decertify the union. The player has every right to get the most for their skillsets just like the rest of us in the real world.

An INCREDIBLE offer? Really?

You’re quite the newsbreaker. Tell us all about this INCREDIBLE offer that you know about, the one that is different than the one being reported by ESPN and all of the major sports sites.

One is strung out on anything he gets his hands on, while DEB dumb as a bag of rocks.

Go & find god like Ben and his ‘pure’ girlfriend..so nice they’ve saved themselves for the big night.

Now back to football…The players turned down an incredible offer from owners..better than any of us [ except duh DEB] thought…Only major issue the should have negociated was $$$ splits.

They won’t get that offer now…no chance.

1) Telling you that I’m “looking to get 15K for it” after you just offered me $1 would be me playing my cards before I had to. By saying $15K, you can now gauge what I’d take where I couldn’t gauge what you’d really pay. A shrewd negotiator would laugh at the offer and not respond so as to hold that ultra-valuable card. That’s why I tried to draw the comparison for the close-eyed, large forehead crew on this site (not that you’re one of them).

2) As for your filing suit to get the judge to force me to sell the car for $1, you might have inadvertently proved my point. For the sake of our debate, the players filed suit to AVOID selling the car for $1. If the best deal on the table was $1 for the car, the players were right to file because whichever way the court ruled would be better than that $1 offer. I say this prefacing that I might be missing your analogy here.

Then come [sic] a childish attempt at an insult…I mean he whom [sic] speaks of shineboxes reveals something about himself.

Paid bashers/spinners shills, degenerate commentary and inevitably try [sic] personal attack.

With such a positive possibility written about in the article above, how is it that inflammatory swarms endorsing one another, attempting to bash their “opponents” take no moment to explore the positive merits written of?
The owners have lost control of their robots…robots that attack the very fans the owners wish to buy tickets.
Shinebox huh? Your credibility speaks for itself.
You don’t really exist as a fan, just an automaton doing what it was programed to do.
Sad commentary on the owners.”

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Seriously, Ralphshere, you are way out of your league. Try taking a couple of English grammar courses before attempting to debate your betters. I’m trying to attribute some cogent argument to your screed and failing utterly. Next time, think before you write, if you can.

As Mark Twain once said: “It is better to remain silent and appear ignorant, than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt.” Words to live by, “Ralphshere.”

Have you never met someone with a different point of view? And have you never discovered later that you had been on the wrong side of an argument? I sure have. Look, I disagree with those of you who support DeMaurice Smith and the NFLPA, but I’d never suggest that you’re all idiots who must be teamsters, nor would I use that as the basis for refuting your points.

It’s going to drive you insane to see the players stick together and sacrifice a season.

Duane, many posters here see both of us as “pro-player”. I see myself as a realist, and someone that is pro-free market.

As a realist, I have to tell you that I doubt the players would be willing to lose an entire season.

History shows us that a lockout is a brutally effective weapon, and if the courts don’t lift the lockout I expect the players to accept the owner’s best offer and wait until 2012, when the Brady, Manning, Brees, et al anti-trust suit is heard.

If the lockout is upheld as expected, prepare yourself for NO football in 2011.

I suggest with your pay cuts and furloughs you guys go out and get second jobs.

It’s going to drive you insane to see the players stick together and sacrifice a season.

Better tell your owners to make a legitimate offer or you will suffer.

What separates this situation is that the two parties will eventually work together. Neither party can reject the other outright and start a new league. Therefore, a counter is expected at some point. But the NFLPA* has simply ignored the various proposals, because their strategy from the beginning has been to pursue leverage through litigation. And this is where your car analogy falls apart. If I thought I could get a judge to force you to sell me the car for $1, why wouldn’t I try? And that is the root cause of the lockout.

1) The owners offer(s) (offer(s) meaning 1, 2, 100, who cares) were NOT worth the breath of a counter. Shrewd negotiators know this. Since De didn’t waste a breath countering, reasonable minds MUST conclude that the offers were NOT worth a counter. Still with me???? Comprende??
– – aside….Willycents….If I offered the car for $100,000,000, I wouldn’t expect you to respond. If you did respond $1, then again, its back to me and I wouldn’t respond. Get it? See how this works or is this too much for your pea brain?

Jake, you and I pretty much on the same side here, but there’s another possible reason the players didn’t make an offer. It’s the same reason the players won’t negotiate, or at least have been reluctant to do so.

If the players are serious about their anti-trust suit and stance, they have to be consistent. They can’t hand over on a silver platter the argument that they were happy to be a union when they were asking for 65% (or whatever), and turned to their pro-market / anti-trust stance when they couldn’t get it.

Are there two “bona fide” offers; or are there two rediculous [sic] insults?

Have the players submitted a proposal?

At this juncture, you simply do not know.

Acting as if you do, is rather batty- billy.”

billybats says: “Ralphshere, it’s a fact that the Union decertified and ran to court rather than counter the last offer. Pretending that the NFLPA* is secretly behaving like grown-ups and making secret counter-offers when the head of the NFLPA* is blasting the last offer as the “worst deal in the history of sports” is a joke. Just like all you pro-union types are.

Now go home and get your freaking shinebox.”

Well: “billybats” you make a point- you are unable to speak of the positives of this article above. Instead, you castigate me for doings so.

Then come a childish attempt at an insult…I mean he whom speaks of shineboxes reveals something about himself.

Paid bashers/spinners shills, degenerate commentary and inevitably try personal attack.

With such a positive possibility written about in the article above, how is it that inflammatory swarms endorsing one another, attempting to bash their “opponents” take no moment to explore the positive merits written of?

The owners have lost control of their robots…robots that attack the very fans the owners wish to buy tickets.

Shinebox huh? Your credibility speaks for itself.

You don’t really exist as a fan, just an automaton doing what it was programed to do.

Sad commentary on the owners.

I’m hoping this is all good news. Both parties have done some very selfish things in this process in order to gain leverage. It’s time to make things right and negotiate in good faith to make a deal.

1. The players as a group are being asked to take less money.

2. Saying that the players are being asked to work “two more days” is the most shamelessly disingenuous thing I’ve read on a message board full of them. Who are you trying to fool?

3. The players aren’t suing for a raise, they’re suing to get the owners to stop acting as a union.

You’re trying to twist the logic here. Try deciphering this up.

1. If the owner is required to spend a certain number amount of money and now they say let’s reduce that % number. Say they were required to spend 50% on salary and now owners say let’s take it down to 40%. You telling me that’s not a paycut in the grand scheme of thing? if they are required to spend less money then they were before than how is that not a paycut?

2. Currently the starters truly play only 3 qtrs in the 3rd game of the preseason. On top of that their avg career is 3.5 years. Now the owners say let’s play 18 games. So is it not asking the players to play 2 more extra games and shorten their career even more?

3. Did the last contract help the owners make record profits? Yes or No.

You’re right. I dont get it. I dont get your stupid logic. You’d flunk business 101 in a heart beat and I doubt you ever owned any company or ran any business. I have owned 3 in my career.