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Curious ties between NFLCA, NFLPA*

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The coaching staffs from 10 teams and counting have publicly said that the brief filed by the NFL Coaches Association in support of the players’ effort to lift the lockout doesn’t speak for them.  So on whose behalf is the NFL Coaches Association speaking?

Given the ties between the NFLPA* and the NFLCA, you probably don’t need three guesses.

The “Contact Us” page at the NFLCA website lists Larry Kennan as the group’s executive director.  The other staff members listed are all NFLPA* officials, according to the 2009 LM-2 filed by the pre-asterisk NFLPA with the U.S. Department of Labor.

While there’s nothing inherently wrong with the NFLCA being staffed almost exclusively by NFLPA* employees, the “friend of the court” brief submitted by the NFLCA to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit makes no reference to that fairly important connection.  Instead, the NFLCA declares at the outset of its brief that “[t]he National Football League Coaches Association (‘NFLCA’) is a nonunion voluntary association that represents the interests of coaches and assistant coaches currently employed by the thirty-two individual National Football League (‘NFL’) teams, as well as many retired coaches formerly employed by those NFL teams.”

This statement strongly implies (at a minimum) that the NFLCA speaks for every coach employed by every team in the NFL.  Clearly, it doesn’t.

The absence of any disclosure that the NFLCA is staffed almost exclusively by employees of the very entity that decertified as a precursor to the very legal claims that the NFLCA is supporting gives the brief zero credibility, at best.  At worst, the NFLCA arguably has committed a not-so-subtle fraud on the court.

We’ve got no problem with the NFL coaches having a group that speaks on their behalf on any of the many important issues confronting the league’s coaches.  By all appearances, however, that group isn’t the NFL Coaches Association.

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  1. airraid77 says: Jun 3, 2011 11:20 AM

    If you had any coaching world inclination, you would know that coaches are not normally union types.
    And you are really surprised that a union that has ties to obama, really tries to get you to read it to know whats in it?

  2. pastorini'sflak says: Jun 3, 2011 11:21 AM

    It looks like Larry is doing his own rendition of “Luck be a Lady.”

  3. endzonezombie says: Jun 3, 2011 11:31 AM

    “The other staff members listed are all NFLPA* officials, according to the 2009 LM-2 filed by the pre-asterisk NFLPA with the U.S. Department of Labor.”

    Why don’t you prove this contention with some details. Fraud is a serious accusation against any person or organization.

  4. thekingdave says: Jun 3, 2011 11:33 AM

    Cue duanethomas making some delusional pro-union justification. First bishes!!

  5. smacklayer says: Jun 3, 2011 11:36 AM

    Has ANYONE come out in support of the brief? This Kennan guy needs to resign.

  6. bowsi says: Jun 3, 2011 11:37 AM

    Well at least the players will know whose side the coaches align with and that most of the coaches know they aren’t good enough to lay their jobs on the line in order to support the players. Yes they will be next.

  7. radrhatr says: Jun 3, 2011 11:39 AM

    If I change my name to Bob, am I cleared of any obligations to my previous name?

    The NFLPA IS the NFLCA.

    SHAM ALERT!!!

  8. bobwhitequail says: Jun 3, 2011 11:41 AM

    This is a sham legal manuever just like the decertification. When are the players going to dump these scum lawyers such as Kessler?

    Do these attorneys really represent the players beliefs and operate the players would? Were the players even made aware of this underhanded, fake NFCLA statement manuever?

  9. bluepike says: Jun 3, 2011 11:44 AM

    This is indeed a perpetration of a fraud. This means that a law has been broken – we all know how De Smith feels about breaking the law – let’s see if his righteous indignation flares-up on this crime.

  10. Mike Florio says: Jun 3, 2011 11:58 AM

    @endzonezombie . . . .

    if you want details, click the links and read the NFLCA brief, which is available at the Eighth Circuit website: (1) all NFLCA staff except kennan are listed as NFLPA employees on the LM-2; (2) the NFLCA brief says the group represents coaches from all 32 teams; and (3) the NFLCA brief makes no mention of the connection to the NFLPA.

    if I were one of the three judges assigned to the case, I wouldn’t be happy about the NFLCA’s overstatement of its representation of coaches and understatement (i.e., ignorance) of its ties to the NFLPA.

  11. bobwhitequail says: Jun 3, 2011 11:59 AM

    Someone needs to tattoo a Big “LIAR” to that guy in the picture’s forehead. How can it be legal to file a fake brief in federal court? Cna’t these guys be in comtempt of court or something for that?

  12. olcap says: Jun 3, 2011 12:09 PM

    Hmmm, by the math that I learned in elementary school, 32-10=22, so that leaves 22, or more than 2/3 of the teams’ coaching staffs, that have NOT distanced themselves from the NFLCA. Until more than 50% of teams’s coaching staffs reveal that they AREN’T in agreement with the NFLCA, your story is a bunch of hooey.

  13. myballsmyrules says: Jun 3, 2011 12:19 PM

    Also under the “contact us” page at the NFLPA* website you will find the following:
    duanethomas
    tommyf15
    ralphshere
    jakek2

    Are they one and the same? Or is it even remotely possible there are 4 different idiotic DEmo Smith shills trolling this site?

    Either way, they have to be so damn dumb to think anyone buys the pathetic propaganda they are flooding this site with. You would think these dumbarses would have better things to do with their free time…..like pay those pants on the ground and bling bling bills.
    Or maybe pay off some of that overdue back child support to those “baby mamas”for your illegitimate kids
    Or maybe, just maybe, ACTUALLY NEGOATIATE!!! Ya, know the thing that the league has been trying to do for months but you simpleton followers of the Shyster can’t even respond to contract proposals.

    Blind sheep that can’t think for themselves. You rely on a attorney to tell you what you want, what you need, what you think. LMAO!!!!!!

    Thats why you are just EMPLOYEES, and work for rich EMPLOYERS. And why you will be crying and broke soon

  14. reuben4boston says: Jun 3, 2011 12:31 PM

    olcap says:
    Jun 3, 2011 12:09 PM
    Hmmm, by the math that I learned in elementary school, 32-10=22, so that leaves 22, or more than 2/3 of the teams’ coaching staffs, that have NOT distanced themselves from the NFLCA. Until more than 50% of teams’s coaching staffs reveal that they AREN’T in agreement with the NFLCA, your story is a bunch of hooey.
    ——————————-

    That’s not how a legal brief works. You need to stand for everyone that you say you file for, or else your brief is invalid.

  15. willycents says: Jun 3, 2011 12:37 PM

    second try at this…lol..

    Thanks for posting this Mike…I take back all the bad things I thought about you in the past.
    And thanks for responding to endzonezombie for us also.

    Cone on players, waiting for your response.

    Taking bets on how long the NFLCA web page stays up. Being taken down as I type, I am certain.

  16. zaggs says: Jun 3, 2011 12:40 PM

    “While there’s nothing inherently wrong with the NFLCA being staffed almost exclusively by NFLPA* employees,”

    I think you mean there is nothing illegal about what they are doing. It is wrong because its a gross mis-characterization of their purpose and who they are supported by.
    Even then it may be illegal because friend of the court briefs are supposed to be filed by people who are not party to the case.

  17. endzonezombie says: Jun 3, 2011 12:48 PM

    The former NFLPA has 103 employees listed. Of those 103, the NFLCA shares 7. They are merely staff – 4 of the 7 make less than $50K a year. Two are admin assistants making less than $35K/yr. There is no fraud or conspiracy here. The use of common staff as consultants – perhaps 3 people – is common in any organization attempting to recruit within the same industry. I doubt the 8th Circuit court considers normal business practices as fraud.

  18. dreadpiratesteve says: Jun 3, 2011 12:54 PM

    It’s a sad day in PFT world when we are arguing about legal briefs and who a coaches association stands for instead of arguing about football.

    Congrats NFL, I officially don’t care about you anymore…

  19. bunjy96 says: Jun 3, 2011 1:01 PM

    The brief says 32 teams. That’s not true either,
    The Saints have no one in that organization, according the their head coach.

  20. willycents says: Jun 3, 2011 1:07 PM

    @ endzonezombie…how about the ones making $450K a year? Do they fit in your “common staff” scenario?
    The point Mike is making is that it is possibly fraudulent to file a brief in court supporting one side when there is an obvious conflict of interest due to your employment without identifying that conflict.
    His second point is that the NFLCA claimed to speak for the entire coaching staffs of the NFL without notifying/gaining approval from them collectively; with about a third of them now disclaiming the writ and denying knowledge of it.
    IMAO, the NFLCA has lost its credibility completely, and damaged the credibility of the NFLPA*, and is now destined for the trash heap of history. What reputable coach would now sign on with them or support them?
    The various NFL players cannot be happy about this development; ie, the apparent involvement of their leadership in filing a sham (by appearance) brief in their lawsuit.

  21. redrew says: Jun 3, 2011 1:09 PM

    Desperate tactics for the “non”union about to lose a year’s worth of paychecks. When will the JAG players…the minimum wage guys that have to fight for roster spots….take charge of the process. You guys are the majority, not the Brady, Manning, Brees, big ticket minority that seem to be looking out for their best interests…not yours. Realize that two draft classes will be coming in to compete for your jobs after this season gets cancelled. Simple odds tell us you minimum wage guys are expendable.Funny how the 30-35 minimum wage guys on every roster refuse to act like a majority…and take charge. Wake up. Your agent is not thinking of your best interests, he has aligned himself with the big commission minority.

  22. TxGrown says: Jun 3, 2011 1:13 PM

    How about an NFLFA? For fans?

  23. myballsmyrules says: Jun 3, 2011 1:14 PM

    @Mike

    Has the league made any statement regarding this issue? If not, how bout trying to get a statement on what they think about this?

  24. willycents says: Jun 3, 2011 1:25 PM

    Hmmmm…only player type posting on this is endzonezombie? Every other one too embarrassed to comment and defend the actions of the NFPA*/NFLCA?

  25. airraid77 says: Jun 3, 2011 1:29 PM

    this was not a mistake, this once again, was something the nflpa, the union, tried to sneak past people. and the owner like most of the gop dont take advantage of a good thing when they are handed it. I Hate the policy of obama, but his strategic action are admirable.

  26. myballsmyrules says: Jun 3, 2011 1:49 PM

    I have to update the list of shills:

    duanethomas
    tommyf15
    ralphshere
    jakek2
    And now :endzonezombie

  27. endzonezombie says: Jun 3, 2011 2:00 PM

    “how about the ones making $450K a year? Do they fit in your “common staff” scenario?”

    @willycents: There is a single individual – Clark Gaines – who made $450K/yr for the NFLPA WHEN IT EXISTED – who is now listed on staff of the NFLCA. He might be a consultant on staff. There is no direct evidence that he is still employed by the NFLPA* trade association. How many of the 103 former NFLPA employees does anyone think are still employed by the trade association when no dues from NFL players are coming in? The NFLCA seems to have a skeleton staff of 10 ppl including Larry Kennan. There has been no proof provided of exactly the relationship between the NFLPA* and the NFLCA – just a lot of conjecture.

  28. mick730 says: Jun 3, 2011 2:03 PM

    myballsmyrules, you forgot Deb.

  29. mick730 says: Jun 3, 2011 2:06 PM

    “endzonezombie says:
    Jun 3, 2011 2:00 PM
    “how about the ones making $450K a year? Do they fit in your “common staff” scenario?”

    @willycents: There is a single individual – Clark Gaines – who made $450K/yr for the NFLPA WHEN IT EXISTED – who is now listed on staff of the NFLCA. He might be a consultant on staff. There is no direct evidence that he is still employed by the NFLPA* trade association. How many of the 103 former NFLPA employees does anyone think are still employed by the trade association when no dues from NFL players are coming in? The NFLCA seems to have a skeleton staff of 10 ppl including Larry Kennan. There has been no proof provided of exactly the relationship between the NFLPA* and the NFLCA – just a lot of conjecture.”

    THE SKY IS NOT BLUE!!!!!

    An some people wonder why the NFL owners refuse to submit to the union’s demands that they give them 10 years of audited financials.

    No matter what the facts are, the union lies.

  30. endzonezombie says: Jun 3, 2011 2:12 PM

    “No matter what the facts are, the union lies”

    @mick730: I hope NFL counsel used your argument before the judges – a sure way to end the lockout.

  31. myballsmyrules says: Jun 3, 2011 2:17 PM

    mick730 says:
    Jun 3, 2011 2:03 PM
    myballsmyrules, you forgot Deb.

    ****************************************

    LMAO!

    Well I hear what your saying there Mick but I officially have to take a “you said it, I didn’t” stance on that one.
    Now if someone ELSE adds her to the list, then there is nothing little ol me can do about it

    I don’t to risk upsetting the PFTWifey.

  32. myballsmyrules says: Jun 3, 2011 2:17 PM

    Dont WANT to risk…………

  33. redrew says: Jun 3, 2011 2:57 PM

    “The NFLCA seems to have a skeleton staff of 10 ppl including Larry Kennan.”

    TEN employees to represent the coaches???….But the coaches say that the NFLCA doesn’t represent them. So who pays these 10 employees. This clearly is as sham front for the NFLPA. Unions are great, aren’t they…..jobs that require no work

  34. commandercornpone says: Jun 3, 2011 4:43 PM

    since the nfl union* is broke… no one pays them. it’s all “on the come” so far.

    decert = sham

    nflca = sham

    duh = sham

    time for some of those “oakley-ewing moments”…

  35. lionglass says: Jun 3, 2011 6:38 PM

    I couldn’t help but notice that endzonezombie, when he argued that the supposedly former union NFLPA had little to do with the apparently puppet union NFLCA, used numbers to bolster his argument but pointing that there were only 7 names shared by the two organizations compared to the 103 supposedly former employees of NFLPA.

    This point becomes meaningless when the numbers are flipped and reveals that 7 out of the 10 supposed employees of NFLCA worked for NFLPA! That’s 70%! Please explain away this high correlation between the two former/current/pseudo unions, endzonezombie.

    As for the suggestion of possible fraud, it’s the NFLCA’s fault for claiming to represent coaches from *ALL* 32 NFL teams as opposed to representing the *MAJORITY* of all coaches employed by the 32 teams.

    Now there are serious doubts among the public that NFLCA actually represent a majority of the coaches, myself included, with just 22 teams remaining that hasn’t had any coach disclaim being involved with this previously unknown union suddenly speaking out in support of the players.

    In other words, this stinks to high heaven.

  36. commandercornpone says: Jun 3, 2011 9:42 PM

    yes lionglass…

    and here we have a union* that really doesnt represent the best interests of its rank and file.

    so why in the sam hill would anyone think its nascnt nflca* tentacle would represent the best interest of 100+ coaches that it is increasingly obvious they have no relationship with whatsoever…

  37. NFLJunkie says: Jun 4, 2011 1:44 AM

    It took PFT until June 3 to discover these “curious ties”? I googled NFLCA the day the brief was filed and found an old NY Times article announcing how the two organizations were happily linked, with the NFLPA providing “legal consulting” to the NFLCA.

    Knew right then and there this latest legal maneuver was just NFLPA-backed posturing. Kinda funny seeing it sort of blow up in their faces ever since.

  38. CKL says: Jun 4, 2011 11:55 AM

    All of you people who called willycents names and talked junk about him when he kept saying before this post came out that this relationship between the two entities was there owe him an apology. :)

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