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Vikings, Bills coaches disavow NFLCA brief, too

Leslie Frazier AP

At some point in the not-too-distant future, it could be easier to list the teams whose coaches haven’t disavowed the “friend of the court” brief filed by the NFL Coaches Association in support of the players’ effort to lift the lockout.  At some point, that list could consist of no teams.

The roster of coaching staffs expressing disagreement with the NFLCA brief has grown to 12 teams, with the addition of the Bills and the Vikings.

“Our entire staff had no prior knowledge, nor were we consulted that the amicus brief was being filed on behalf of the coaches,” Bills offensive coordinator Curtis Modkins said, per the Buffalo News.  “We support Mr. Wilson.  Our focus is on our preparation for the 2011 season.”

Ditto for Vikings coach Leslie Frazier.  “We weren’t contacted by the coaches association,” Frazier said, per Tom Pelissero of 1500espn.com.  “We’re going to always be supportive of our management.  We’ve got great management here in Minnesota.  The Wilf family has been terrific for our employees.”

By all appearances, NFLCA executive director Larry Kennan decided it would be easier to seek forgiveness than permission.  Based on how things have been going in the wake of the filing, Kennan eventually could be seeking unemployment compensation.

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30 Responses to “Vikings, Bills coaches disavow NFLCA brief, too”
  1. hobartbaker says: Jun 3, 2011 3:55 PM

    “Disavow” – 12
    “Avow” – 12
    “Abstain” – 4
    “Absent” – 4.

  2. bearskoolaid1985 says: Jun 3, 2011 3:59 PM

    Sound like he is just one of De Smith’s puppets

  3. bobwhitequail says: Jun 3, 2011 4:01 PM

    I can see it now:

    Larry Kennan – “well gee judge I drafted an email and we never heard anything back from anyone so we assumed everyone was behind it”

    Judge- Did you actually even send the email?

    Kennan – “well, uh” …muttering under his breath “Kessler, what do you want me to say?”

  4. hedden93 says: Jun 3, 2011 4:08 PM

    Larry Kennan needs to be called out for what he is – a liar. I would love to here his excuse why nearly half the teams had no knowledge of this BS.

  5. Rhode Island Patriots Fan says: Jun 3, 2011 4:35 PM

    Judging from the recording I listened to today of the oral arguments before the Eighth Circuit, the real irony here is that the NFLCA brief (which, for the most part, addressed “irreparable harm”) may not have any noteworthy impact on the Court’s ruling. I don’t think the players did enough today to cause Circuit Judges Colloton and Benton to amend their opinion. Of course, it wouldn’t be the first time I’ve been wrong, and it wouldn’t be the last.

  6. smacklayer says: Jun 3, 2011 4:37 PM

    Ha ha

    Signed,
    Nelson

  7. granadafan says: Jun 3, 2011 4:40 PM

    Those statements were a lawyer-written statement if I ever heard one.

  8. igor1984 says: Jun 3, 2011 4:50 PM

    Does the NFLCA represent any coaches that are actually in the NFL?

    If you go by the list of refutations, it seems like NONE of the NFL coaches support this “organization” (or more appropriately “organ” of the NFLPA*) …

  9. goombar2 says: Jun 3, 2011 4:54 PM

    Does Leslie ever make a decision without Ziggy’s stamp of approval? I mean, Leslie was told to start Favre even when common sense said to see what he had at QB. So if someone is saying anything against Ziggy in the slightest you know Leslie is going to tow the company line. The only reason he’s coach is that he takes orders from Wilf, nobody else was going to hire him? Protect your paycheck!

    Funny they’d go in such an extreme direction of a “yes man” after Brad “shoot from the hip” Childress? How about some moderation?

    And as far as the Toronto Bills, I’m just happy to see they found someone willing to put their name down as head coach and respond to… Wait, the response came from the offensive coordinator?

    Wow, a franchise in even more disarray than the vikes…

  10. willycents says: Jun 3, 2011 5:05 PM

    Hmmm still only one player type posting on these stories now. Where are all the ones who were attacking the coaches who stated opposition/lack of knowledge on the previous posts about it?
    Seems like only one still hanging in there trying to defend the NFLCA.
    To roughly quote from a previous post:

    I think the player types are too embarrassed to post on these articles, and quite upset with their association for producing what appears to be a “sham” filing, thus discrediting their association, and, by extension, themselves.

  11. txchief says: Jun 3, 2011 5:15 PM

    It would also be refreshing to see a few NFLPA members acknowledge that they don’t run (or own) the team and are actually employees of the owners and management. It is with more than a little sense of entitlement that many of the players think that they will always be able to walk away from one employer and immediately get paid the same (or more) from the next organization.

  12. goombar2 says: Jun 3, 2011 5:57 PM

    How’s it a “sham”? The owners said if they opted out of the CBA then the players could decert without reason. It’s the owners that wanted a union, from 87-92 there wasn’t a union.

    As far as employee/employer the CBA is the partnership.

    It’s not like your job at McDonalds.

  13. mightygiants says: Jun 3, 2011 6:00 PM

    Funny how PFT didn’t have an article discussing what Larry Kennan had to say for himself. If they had, they would know that Larry was charged with speaking for the coaches, when the coaches couldn’t speak for themselves. The denials are a perfect example.

  14. mightygiants says: Jun 3, 2011 6:02 PM

    txchief you are turning a blind eye to the owners sense of entitlement. The owners seem to think the antitrust laws don’t apply to their activities. Of course these are the same self entitled owners that think their coaches and other employees should pay for THEIR lockout.

  15. thephantomstranger says: Jun 3, 2011 6:02 PM

    Goombar, even you can’t make it sound like there’s something wrong with Leslie Frazier. I don’t think you believe your own bit.

  16. jjssockpuppet says: Jun 3, 2011 6:21 PM

    Either the NFLCA represents no one, or all the coaches received a standard form letter from the owners instructing them to disavow the NFLCA brief.

  17. EJ says: Jun 3, 2011 6:41 PM

    goombar2 says:
    Jun 3, 2011 4:54 PM
    And as far as the Toronto Bills, I’m just happy to see they found someone willing to put their name down as head coach and respond to… Wait, the response came from the offensive coordinator?

    Wow, a franchise in even more disarray than the vikes…

    Real funny and original pal…. Sarcasm man strikes again!!

    Bills Fan.

  18. endzonezombie says: Jun 3, 2011 6:42 PM

    I could be wrong, but isn’t the NFLCA for the assistant coaches only? IIRC the head coach is not considered part of the NFLCA. The head coach has a firm contract, whereas the assistant coaches have much less secure contracts. If the head coach leaves, the assistants are usually hung out to dry by the team. The new HC wants his own coaches.

  19. willycents says: Jun 3, 2011 6:50 PM

    jjssockpuppet says:Jun 3, 2011 6:21 PM

    Either the NFLCA represents no one, or all the coaches received a standard form letter from the owners instructing them to disavow the NFLCA brief.
    ——————————–
    I lean to the first proposal, personally. I remember when the Redsins, being the first to disavow, were bashed for being Dan Snyders stooges. I suppose that Snyder sent a letter to all coaches and threatened them with their teams getting defeated so they all “toed” his line, Makes as much sense as any conspiracy theory.

  20. willycents says: Jun 3, 2011 7:06 PM

    mightygiants says:Jun 3, 2011 6:00 PM

    Funny how PFT didn’t have an article discussing what Larry Kennan had to say for himself. If they had, they would know that Larry was charged with speaking for the coaches, when the coaches couldn’t speak for themselves. The denials are a perfect example.
    ———————————————–

    First, keep up with the articles. PFT posted what Larry Kennan had to say about it the day after the Redskins dis-avowed the brief….words to the effect that the NFLCA failed to communicate the fact they were filing this with the court. That the Redskins liason person had not worked with the ‘Skins for six months.
    Secondly, you are calling the staffs of a dozen NFL teams liars publicly? Is that going to include the next batch of coaches come out tomorrow and say they never were notified either?
    Seems to me that, out of the 150 or so coaches/staff that have disavowed knowledge of the filing, at least ONE would have had the moral standards to be honest and admit knowledge if he knew about it.
    Seems you have a very low opinion of the coaching staffs in the NFL

  21. Deb says: Jun 3, 2011 7:18 PM

    @hedden93 …

    Kennan completely mishandled this situation, but your language is a little strong. It’s more likely he’s a boob than a liar.

    When you belong to an association, membership is considered consent to the association’s activities. For example, if you belong to AAA or AARP, you’re giving tactit approval to the government lobbying of those organizations. Most people don’t read one-tenth of the stuff sent out by their professional associations.

    Kennan may have thought all he needed was to send out an e-mail informing coaches about the brief and expected if they disagreed, they’d let him know. They probably never read the e-mail until owners started asking them about the filing.

    He was foolish to assume coaches–who are management reps–would align with players in a lawsuit against owners. But he doesn’t seem terribly practical.

  22. commandercornpone says: Jun 3, 2011 7:42 PM

    of course decert was a sham and the union* pulled it because they thought they could keep functioning like a union without a challenge from the league due to a past stipulation the nfl made re a possible decert.

    duh and kessler should be standing on a street corner selling pencils from a can. or worse…

    //////////////////////

    here is a proposal: the coaches think kennan is a crank and dont pay him no never mind. that’s how a union* ploy to make it look like STAFF agreed with LABOR got as far as it did.

  23. bananaballs says: Jun 3, 2011 8:51 PM

    I think the better question at this point is what coaching staffs are actually for the NFLCA’s brief?

  24. Justin says: Jun 3, 2011 9:34 PM

    I think it would be hard to back the players considering some make way more than some of the coaches. Also, it seems like players work for the owners where as coaches work more alongside the owners/GMs. (http://minnesporta.wordpress.com/ for MN sports news)

  25. jpmelon says: Jun 3, 2011 10:45 PM

    @ Deb…

    I see where you are going with this…but this isn’t the AARP or AAA….this organization represents about 12 to 15 guys per team.

    It makes the organization look foolish to issue a brief and then find out later that half (probably more) of the members didn’t even know about it…..what makes it worse, half of the members completely disagree with it. Someone is going to lose their job over this because the organization has no credibility anymore (I never heard of it before, so I guess I shouldn’t assume it had any credibility before)

  26. willycents says: Jun 4, 2011 12:00 AM

    Deb says:Jun 3, 2011 7:18 PM

    “…Kennan may have thought all he needed was to send out an e-mail informing coaches about the brief and expected if they disagreed, they’d let him know. They probably never read the e-mail until owners started asking them about the filing…”
    ———————————————–
    The problem with this is that the coaches are saying they never were notified and knew nothing about it until after it was filed. The are not saying they just never read the email until they were asked about it, they are saying there was no notification at all.

  27. bobwhitequail says: Jun 4, 2011 1:31 AM

    It’s impossible to defend this guy so don’t bother. He lied. Repeatedly. Before he knew that more than the redskins were going to make a beef he said he did a poor job of communicating with only the redskins, no one else. From a previous PFT article:

    “I emailed all the coaches to tell them we were going to do this. However, I didn’t do a very good job of communicating with the Redskins,” Kennan told Jim Miller and Alex Marvez. on Sirius XM NFL Radio.

    “If there were a whole bunch of teams [protesting], I’d be concerned. I’m not concerned about one,” Kennan said.

    Woops.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/27/nflca-chief-i-didnt-do-a-good-job-at-communicating/

  28. bobwhitequail says: Jun 4, 2011 1:45 AM

    And when did he ever disclose the NFLPA relationship? This guy is as crooked as they come Kessler.

  29. johnsticle says: Jun 4, 2011 9:35 AM

    This is a surprise? The owners pay the coaches, of course they’d take their side over the players.

  30. Deb says: Jun 4, 2011 1:29 PM

    @jpmelon and willycents …

    I don’t disagree with you guys. Since this thing broke, I’ve been saying Kennan will be lucky to get out of this with his job and his organization intact. Guess I’m just not willing to say he was in cohoots with Kessler or did this deliberately until there’s some proof to that effect.

    You’re right, jpmelon, when you represent such a small group of people and the stakes are so high, you can’t assume membership = consent. He should have gotten written agreement from a two-thirds majority before filing a legal brief. It should go without saying that management will not back players against owners in a legal fight.

    And willycents, I think an e-mail is insufficient notice–especially since he didn’t wait for a reply or follow up to ensure the e-mail was received and read. Even if he sent it, in practical terms, he failed to inform the membership.

    I just don’t think we should call the poor dope a liar unless we know he lied. Until then, we should stick with “poor dope.”

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