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15 coachings staffs don’t endorse NFLCA brief

Larry Kennan AP

Though none of the three judges mentioned the “friend of the court” brief filed by the NFL Coaches Association during Friday’s oral argument regarding the question of whether the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit will lift the lockout, it’s becoming more and more clear that this so-called “friend of the court” finds no friends in 15 of 32 NFL teams.

And counting.

Jim Wyatt of the Tennessean reports that the Titans coaching staff didn’t know about the brief that supposedly was filed on their behalf.  Per Wyatt, the Titans coaches also do not endorse the brief.

The other 14 coaching staffs that didn’t know about and don’t endorse the filing are (as previously mentioned at PFT) the Redskins, Saints, Jaguars, Cowboys, Rams, Texans, Chiefs, Bears, Eagles, Jets, Vikings, Bills, and (per NFLLabor.com) the Cardinals and the Seahawks.

NFLCA executive director Larry Kennan (pictured) previously has acknowledged that he “didn’t do a very good job of communicating with the Redskins,” the first coaching staff to speak out against the filing.  At the time, Kennan brushed off the possibility of a mutiny.

“If there were a whole bunch of teams [protesting], I’d be concerned.  I’m not concerned about one,” Kennan said.

Um, Larry?  It’s time to be concerned.

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40 Responses to “15 coachings staffs don’t endorse NFLCA brief”
  1. duanethomas says: Jun 4, 2011 4:42 PM

    Hostage’s hailing the righteousness of his captors.
    (Coaches) (Owners)

    Bully. Intimidate. Coercion.

    Scared. Cowards. Employment vs Unemployment

  2. eaglebobby says: Jun 4, 2011 4:44 PM

    Kennan miscalculated big time–he probably thought because some teams cut coaches’ apy, those coaching staffs could be on board–but the problem is very few of the coaching staffs have had their pay cut–plus, coaches are a part of management. There aren’t any Buddy Ryans in the group who are openly rooting for the players.

  3. qj1984 says: Jun 4, 2011 4:46 PM

    This was stupid on their part and I am guessing somebodies palms were greased well to make this happen. I bet before long we will find that 32 NFL coaching staffs didnt like the idea. The coaches work for the owners not the players. The bigger the chunk the players get leaves less money for the owners to pay the coaches.

  4. ampats says: Jun 4, 2011 4:51 PM

    When Bill Belichick was asked if the Patriots coaching staff endorsed the NFLCA brief, he responded
    ” I’m just here to coach my football team, other than that I don’t know”

  5. geo1113 says: Jun 4, 2011 4:54 PM

    Larry, there is only one thing to do when you screw up this badly…resign.

  6. commandercornpone says: Jun 4, 2011 5:13 PM

    we should find out this weekend.

    nflpa* tried another scam (like the sham decert).

    busted.

  7. borisbulldog says: Jun 4, 2011 5:23 PM

    And this is surprising, how?

    The coaches will support whatever brief is from the people that sign their paycheck!

  8. Spencer says: Jun 4, 2011 5:33 PM

    Embarrassing for Kennan.

  9. Rhode Island Patriots Fan says: Jun 4, 2011 5:34 PM

    Any guesses as to who might be the last head coach to publicly disavow knowledge or support for the NFLCA brief? Don’t hold your breath! LOL

  10. tubal22 says: Jun 4, 2011 5:37 PM

    The NFLPA and NFLCA share a phone # and multiple support people. (google the phone # for the NFLCA and you’ll see a bunch of links for the NFLPA).

    There are no palms being greased, because they are one in the same.

  11. macjacmccoy says: Jun 4, 2011 5:41 PM

    Come on do you really believe that the 15 coaching staffs that have said they knew nothing about the NFLCA brief really knew nothing about it? I highly doubt it.

    Right after the brief was submitted their were a few teams coaches that came out right away and said they did not agree to or support what the NFLCA said. Those few staffs are believeable. These other staffs though including the Eagles coaches seem like rats trying to escape a sinking ship. They were fine with taking the ride when they felt like the majority was with them but once they saw other coaches who werent initially against it start distancing themselves from the brief they put out a statement against it as well.

    The dozen or so coaching staff that have now put out statements against the brief a week after the fact probably did so bc of ownership pressure and not bc they didnt agree with or know what the NFLCA was doing. When the brief came out and those few teams who were against it made there statements guys like Woody Johnson and Jeffrey Lurie probably went to Ryan and Reid and asked them if they knew about it and if not why they havent made a statement against the brief like the other coaches. Pretty much forcing them to either make a statement or tell the owners that they are against them .

    These conversations between owners and coaches probably happened day 1 and it took nearly 2 weeks for most of the 15 teams to speak out against the brief. That right there should tell you they werent against it bc if they were they would have came out and said it right away to let their owners know they are with them.

    But they didnt. They waited and only put out a statement once they saw other teams start to waiver..

  12. andrewfbrowne says: Jun 4, 2011 5:53 PM

    Every staff member of the NFLCA is a former or currnet staff member of the NFLPA* except the guy in charge.

    Pretty clear what was at work there.

  13. bobwhitequail says: Jun 4, 2011 7:12 PM

    Wow this is pretty bads guys. The poster above who said the NFLCA has the same phone number as teh NFLPA is right!!!!!!

    “National Football League Players Association
    1-800-372-2000
    http://www.nflpa.org

    NFL COACHES ASSOCIATION CONTACT INFORMATION

    1-800-372-2000″

    Also some other tidbits from a google search below (itemized a,b, c). This is a total scam! More people need to research the indiviudals involved on google please.

    a) The AFLPA and the NFLPA are not responsible for any fees due for services rendered. If you have any questions, please call Tim English in the legal department, at 1-800-372-2000.

    b) Tim English is the senior staff counsel for the NFL Players Association, which is the NFL players’ union, located in Washington, DC

    …Tim is also currently responsible for advising the NFLPA’s sister organizations, the Arena Football League Players Association and the NFL Coaches Association on labor law and grievance matters.

    c) If you are released from the New York Jets or Philadelphia Eagles while still suffering from an on-the-job injury, notify your Player Rep and the NFLPA (1-800-372-2000) immediately….

  14. bobwhitequail says: Jun 4, 2011 7:18 PM

    Spoke.com’s listing for Larry Kennan:

    Larry Kennan

    Title and Company:
    Executive Director at Nfl Players Association

    Company Address:
    2500 Calvert Street Nw
    Washington, DC 20008-2649

  15. willycents says: Jun 4, 2011 7:21 PM

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/03/curious-ties-between-nflca-nflpa/#comments

    consult this article for the straight skinny on the NFLCA/NFLPA* relationship, with official links, I might add.

  16. bobwhitequail says: Jun 4, 2011 7:23 PM

    From the New York Times:

    By MIKE FREEMAN
    Published: September 27, 1998

    Just over a year ago, officials from the National Football League Coaches Association, angry at what they thought was unfair treatment by the owners, met with Jeffrey Kessler, perhaps the most renowned sports antitrust lawyer in the country, in a hotel ballroom in Indianapolis. The topic of conversation? The N.F.L. assistant coaches were considering suing the league for antitrust violations….

    Eventually the idea fizzled because the assistants were worried that a lawsuit would hurt their careers. Also, it would have taken a large six-figure retainer just to hire Kessler, and the lawsuit itself would have cost $3 million. Kessler said he had spoken with assistant coaches in the association, but he had no further comment.

    Now, Larry Kennan, the respected longtime assistant coach, has become the director of the association…

  17. bobwhitequail says: Jun 4, 2011 7:30 PM

    Looks like De Smith was out recruiting assistant coaches along with Kennan. Form the Seattle times:

    “June 8, 2009 at 12:57 PM

    Players Association director DeMaurice Smith visits Seahawks

    Posted by Danny O’Neil

    DeMaurice Smith, the executive director of the NFL Players Association, met with the Seahawks on Monday, part of his criss-cross tour around the league to speak with the players on each team.

    I’ll be posting a summary of an interview with Smith did with media after he spoke with the players. I did want to post one note, too, that Larry Kennan, director of the Coaches Association, was also present at the visit.

    According to Kennan, Seahawks assistant coaches were told not to meet with Smith. Smith and the NFL Players Association do not represent the coaches, who are not unionized, but he had spoken with assistant coaches in previous stops.”

  18. endzonezombie says: Jun 4, 2011 7:37 PM

    There are a lot of pro owner shills on this site, but willycents is also a PFT shill. What’s that get you , willy…a free 1 yr. subscription?

  19. deweygroup says: Jun 4, 2011 7:38 PM

    The players should be pissed that their association would make them look like fools. Time to ask who is really running the show…….

  20. bobwhitequail says: Jun 4, 2011 7:40 PM

    So now we have numerous citations of Kennan working with NFLPA lawyers. Many posted above but here is another one:

    Updated: May 8, 2009, 7:09 PM ET
    Colts coaches among those retiring
    By Chris Mortensen
    ESPN

    “…Kennan said that the new NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith is determined to “protect the coaches” going forward.

    Kennan, as the leader of the Coaches Association, works out of the NFLPA offices. Upshaw enabled the coaches to use NFLPA counsel in various grievance hearings…”

  21. qj1984 says: Jun 4, 2011 8:13 PM

    @macjacmccoy

    I highly doubt thats the case. The leader already came out and said there may have been some communication errors with getting the NFLCA intentions across.

    I seriously doubt coaches got together at a meeting and voted in favor of this and are now back tracking, simply due to Keenans word selection. He said “protesting”, meaning the decision wasnt made by the coaches but the powers that be.

  22. autumnwind999 says: Jun 4, 2011 8:45 PM

    macjacmccoy says:
    Jun 4, 2011 5:41 PM
    Come on do you really believe that the 15 coaching staffs that have said they knew nothing about the NFLCA brief really knew nothing about it? I highly doubt it.

    Right after the brief was submitted their were a few teams coaches that came out right away and said they did not agree to or support what the NFLCA said. Those few staffs are believeable. These other staffs though including the Eagles coaches seem like rats trying to escape a sinking ship. They were fine with taking the ride when they felt like the majority was with them but once they saw other coaches who werent initially against it start distancing themselves from the brief they put out a statement against it as well.

    The dozen or so coaching staff that have now put out statements against the brief a week after the fact probably did so bc of ownership pressure and not bc they didnt agree with or know what the NFLCA was doing. When the brief came out and those few teams who were against it made there statements guys like Woody Johnson and Jeffrey Lurie probably went to Ryan and Reid and asked them if they knew about it and if not why they havent made a statement against the brief like the other coaches. Pretty much forcing them to either make a statement or tell the owners that they are against them .

    These conversations between owners and coaches probably happened day 1 and it took nearly 2 weeks for most of the 15 teams to speak out against the brief. That right there should tell you they werent against it bc if they were they would have came out and said it right away to let their owners know they are with them.

    But they didnt. They waited and only put out a statement once they saw other teams start to waiver..

    ———————

    The absurd 2/34 thumbs up/thumbs down ratio on this totally reasonable comment pretty much solidifies my theory (and the feeling of many others) that management shills are taking to pft to attempt to sway public opinion.

    2-34 … seriously? I’ve seen Nazi sympathizers get far better reception in online message boards.

    What a crock.

  23. ampats says: Jun 4, 2011 8:54 PM

    bobwhitequail,

    Whoa! Bill Beilichick fired Keenan as an assistant coach off his staff. Hasn’t held a NFL Coaching position since. I don’t remember whether he was inherited from Poodle Pete’s staff.

  24. euroamericans says: Jun 4, 2011 9:40 PM

    Charlotte Observer says Panthers coaches were not aware of this group filing either.

  25. hobartbaker says: Jun 4, 2011 9:48 PM

    At the time there was just “one dissenting team!” reassured Larry, holding up one index finger, one long finger, one ring finger, one little finger, and a solitary thumb, to illustrate his point.

  26. bobwhitequail says: Jun 4, 2011 9:52 PM

    I researched Larry Keenan and to be honest he seems like a stand up guy that really wants to protect coaches. It therefore looks like he is being manipulated by NFLPA legal people. If you listen to some of his interviews he sort of sounds like a naive kid caught in a hurricane.

    Personally I think these lawyers are manipulating honest players and guys like Keenan. The facts are that he didn’t disclose the relationship with the NFLPA including using the NFLPAs phones, offices, and lawyers and he probably didn’t get confirmation from many (most?, any?) of the teams when he filed that court document.

    The only question I am unsure about now is did he get pushed into doing it by NFLPA lawyers and gullibly went along with it with the honest intention of helping coaches or was he “in on it” so to speak. My impression is that he is just like a lot of the players, they believe they are doing the right thing and have good intentions but they are getting manipulated by De Smith and Kessler, etc.

    It seems to me there are players out there who like Brees who really seem to buy into De Smith’s “this is war!, are you going to fight?” B.S. I think these players are getting manipulated. It’s easy to grow hate and fear and De Smith is good at it IMO.

    And then there are players who seem to be pawns of Kessler and De Smith. Chester Pitts, who’s agent is Andrew Kessler, Jeffrey Kessler’s son, is an example of that type.

    Then there is a third type who look at it objectively and seem to want to negotiate. If we could get these types in the room with moderate owners like Kraft and zero lawyers, then we would have football. O.k. I’ve spent too much time on this, but’s it’s been educational…

  27. bobwhitequail says: Jun 4, 2011 10:16 PM

    re: “The dozen or so coaching staff that have now put out statements against the brief a week after the fact probably did so bc of ownership pressure and not bc they didnt agree with or know what the NFLCA was doing. ”

    I don’t think it’s ownership pressure but more likely coaches who don’t want to piss off their bosses. Not wise when coaches are getting laid off etc. Who knows for sure but the redskins did say that snyder didn’t tell them to do it. But then again, Snyder is a sniveling, whiny little Bi$^# so I don’t really buy that. Couldn’t Keenan produce emails/letters of support if he actually got support from the coaches? Haven’t seen any yet.

    I think De Smith, English, Kessler/whoever told him “it’s no big deal, just file it, it will help coaches” and he did it. He had no idea what a scandal it could become or how he had been manipulated. Just my opinion.

  28. Deb says: Jun 4, 2011 10:27 PM

    You shouldn’t include the Saints on that list since they aren’t NFLCA members. In fact, you should specify exactly which coaching staff are NFLCA members because it’s irrelevant whether nonmembers endorse the brief.

    And more accurately, these coaching staffs say they weren’t aware of the brief. That doesn’t make it true. I think Kennan completely mishandled this situation, but believe his assertion that he sent out an e-mail notice before filing the brief. It’s too easy to prove. Whether they read it is another matter.

  29. Mike Florio says: Jun 4, 2011 10:36 PM

    @deb . . . .

    Here’s the first line of the NFLCA brief to the Eighth Circuit.

    “The National Football League Coaches Association (‘NFLCA’) is a nonunion voluntary association that represents the interests of coaches and assistant coaches currently employed by the thirty-two individual National Football League (‘NFL’) teams, as well as many retired coaches formerly employed by those NFL teams.”

    So, yes, the Saints should be included on that list.

  30. southmo says: Jun 4, 2011 11:41 PM

    Again, (because saying this previously obviously deserved deletion) I believe if Keenan’s organization truly represented the coaches, they wouldn’t have filed anything. It’s hard to imagine the coaches wanted to step into this mess.

    Besides, it was extreme presumption that Kennan did not feel the need to do anything more than simply sending out an email. That would be ridiculous if that is truly all he did.

  31. autumnwind999 says: Jun 5, 2011 1:52 AM

    How is it there is so much pro-owner sentiment on this site when the majority of fans nationwide are siding with the players in this dispute? Just an absolutely unrealistic and overwhelming split for the owners in these comments.

    Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

  32. jvillenole says: Jun 5, 2011 2:20 AM

    Who gives a flyin’ $%^&. I am so fu^&*% sick and tired of talking about this fu%^$#* BS.

    I am pissed! Somebody wake your ass up!

    $%^&ing Pissed!!!! If you guys don’t play ball come Septembeer, you can all go fu#$ yourselves!

  33. cesquire says: Jun 5, 2011 4:22 AM

    This is sad. Even if the coaches really disagreed with the brief, they most likely wouldn’t go through the trouble of making a public stink about it. The fact that they are speaking out publicly against the brief can only mean the owners (and their lawyers) are pressuring them to. It’s too bad the coaches don’t have a union. They could use one about now.

  34. suckaaarei says: Jun 5, 2011 8:17 AM

    Also, Belichick isn’t a member of the NFLCA hence the fact that in all Madden games he is listed as NE Coach. So count his staff out.

  35. jimmysee says: Jun 5, 2011 1:08 PM

    Someone should advise Larry Kennan that the organization exists to serve the members.

    The members do not exist to serve the Association.

    … and … same thing goes for the so-called NFLPA.

  36. myballsmyrules says: Jun 5, 2011 1:11 PM

    LMAO;

    Deb, you just got checked!

  37. Deb says: Jun 5, 2011 3:37 PM

    @Mike …

    You’re reading the comments!! And engaging!! Excellent!!! Thank you for the clarification … I stand corrected.

    @myballsmyrules …

    I like a man who’s quick with the facts. That let’s you out, huh, sugar? ;)

  38. myballsmyrules says: Jun 5, 2011 4:03 PM

    @Deb

    Mike checked you and put you in the corner!

    And I thought NOBODY puts Baby in the corner?

    LMAO :lol

  39. Deb says: Jun 5, 2011 10:44 PM

    @myballsmyrules …

    ROFL … you are trying way too hard, honey. Mike’s not the first person on PFT to correct me on an issue. I’m delighted to know he’s reading the comments when he gets the chance, and appreciate that he took the time to provide that information in response to me. Now I’m even more curious about the NFLCA since the organization also represents retired coaches. I’d like to know how Parcells, Shula, Cowher, and others feel about that filing in support of the antitrust suit.

    Saying “Thank you. I stand corrected” isn’t exactly being put in a corner. I feel no shame in being wrong or making a mistake and owning up to it. The shame is in slinking off or throwing tantrums when you’re checked … you know, like the lil boys do. :D

  40. macjacmccoy says: Jun 6, 2011 11:19 PM

    qj1984 says:
    Jun 4, 2011 8:13 PM
    @macjacmccoy

    I highly doubt thats the case. The leader already came out and said there may have been some communication errors with getting the NFLCA intentions across.

    I seriously doubt coaches got together at a meeting and voted in favor of this and are now back tracking, simply due to Keenans word selection. He said “protesting”, meaning the decision wasnt made by the coaches but the powers that be.

    No they didnt . The only team they said that they had communication problems with were the Redskins. Anyway it still took a majority of the teams 2 weeks to come out against the brief. If most them didnt know about it then they would have made a statement against it right away. That wasnt the case.

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