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Frazier discusses evolving plan at quarterback

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So minicamp and OTA season are gone.  As the lockout continues to drag on, teams around the league have had to adjust their free agency plans.

“We had an idea back in April what direction we wanted to go,” Vikings coach Leslie Frazier told Tom Pelissero of espn1500.com, referring to his quarterback situation. “In May, we thought about some things. Now, we’re into June and we’re still discussing what’s the best option for us and for our quarterbacks.”

As mentioned in one-liners, Frazier could feel more anxiety about starting rookie Christian Ponder from day one the longer the lockout drags on.

“What you don’t want to do is put a guy in harm’s way to the point where his confidence is affected for the future. So, we’ve got some different things that we’ve got to talk through and figure out based on when we start football,” Frazier said.

It’s worth noting what a difference a full training camp would make.  Getting Ponder ready to start in six weeks would be a lot different than if the lockout ends with just, say, three weeks and one exhibition game before the season.

In that scenario, Frazier may have no choice but to look to a veteran.

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  1. thephantomstranger says: Jun 4, 2011 10:23 AM

    Here’s the plan:

    1. Sign a serviceable veteran QB who can start for a while but is content to be a backup.

    2. Work in Christian Ponder where you can this year, maybe handing over the starting job sometime in the second half of the season.

    3. Ponder takes over as starting QB in 2012.

    4. Super Bowl, Homeboy.

  2. tiproast says: Jun 4, 2011 10:42 AM

    “We had an idea back in April what direction we wanted to go,” Vikings coach Leslie Frazier told Tom Pelissero of espn1500.com, referring to his quarterback situation. “In May, we thought about some things. Now, we’re into June and we’re still discussing what’s the best option for us and for our quarterbacks.”

    That doesn’t sound like a plan to me. Look for Vikings opponents to try to shutdown the run and take their chances in the passing game. Could be a long season (if there is a season) up north.

  3. seabreezes51 says: Jun 4, 2011 10:50 AM

    Maybe they could “woo” that Bart Favoree fella out of the retirement bidness?

  4. pftequalsgreatjournalism says: Jun 4, 2011 10:50 AM

    thephantomstranger says: Jun 4, 2011 10:23 AM

    Super Bowl, Homeboy.

    ——————————-

    Surely you geste Beau…

  5. coleman121280 says: Jun 4, 2011 10:51 AM

    Ponder is going to be the SOD. Steel of the draft, for all those who remember Onterio (“that’s not mine yo”) Smith. He once pronounced himself as the SOD and actually was our best RB that year. If Tice would have gave up on Michael Bennet a long time ago and handed it off to my boy we would have had a ridiculous-er running attack.

    Anyways, Ponder will make Trent Dilfer look like a bigger le douche when Ponder goes to the Pro Bowl his Rookie year and conquers all opponents who step in front of his passes with one of his patented remember the titans “just let him through” throw to the nuts.

    That should make Clay Matthews cheese curds smaller than the roids are making it.

  6. coleman121280 says: Jun 4, 2011 10:56 AM

    Clay Matthews and A.J. Hawk are butt buddies. I have proof. Aaron Rodgers text me pics from Favre’s phone.

  7. malthor says: Jun 4, 2011 10:59 AM

    Thoughts on “the plan”:

    1. always easy, serviceable, competent QBs who are also content to ride pine are easy to find. of the 32 teams only half will have competent starters so this is kinda a prayer and we’re at point 1.

    2. if you can, it’s almost a given he’ll be forced in before he’s ready, this was the Ravens plan with Flacco too…….he started day 1, season 1.

    3. That’s a given, even if he’s as big a bust as Alex Smith he’ll be the starter next season, hope that’s a good thing.

    4. the fans of 31 teams will be disappointed. The odds are decidedly against you, but that’s what faith is for.

  8. kingpitvinny says: Jun 4, 2011 11:06 AM

    Favre comes back for one more shot!

  9. speedback says: Jun 4, 2011 11:13 AM

    Can’t he fly to Hattiesburg and talk favre out of retirement?

  10. stellarperformance says: Jun 4, 2011 12:02 PM

    coleman121280 says:
    Jun 4, 2011 10:56 AM
    Clay Matthews and A.J. Hawk are butt buddies. I have proof.
    ______________________________

    You do? Like what, a sore *ss?

  11. hobartbaker says: Jun 4, 2011 12:20 PM

    Plan is going to evolve (or devolve) all the way back to Tarvaris Jackson.

  12. nfldoc says: Jun 4, 2011 12:31 PM

    With the first pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the Minnesota Vikings select Andrew Luck, Quarterback, Stanford University.

  13. GG Eden says: Jun 4, 2011 12:35 PM

    Joe Webb

  14. mddare007 says: Jun 4, 2011 12:53 PM

    coleman121280 says:
    Jun 4, 2011 10:51 AM
    Ponder is going to be the SOD. Steel of the draft, for all those who remember Onterio (“that’s not mine yo”) Smith. He once pronounced himself as the SOD and actually was our best RB that year. If Tice would have gave up on Michael Bennet a long time ago and handed it off to my boy we would have had a ridiculous-er running attack.
    ************************************

    There is literally no way anyone could make fun of someone with a nickname like ‘The Sod’

  15. ndnut says: Jun 4, 2011 1:05 PM

    Tell me what is wrong with Joe Webb and Rhett Bomar. Webb was easily our best QB last year and Rhett Bomar was supposed to be the steal of his draft but never got to start ahead of Eli in NY. I have thought all along that Joe Webb would be better. He’s like a Mike Vick without a dogfighting scandal. If they get one or two more receivers to replace Berian, we have a real SB team.

  16. trbowman says: Jun 4, 2011 1:26 PM

    Ponder = One of the worst picks in the whole draft.

    We’ll see the Vikings again in three years when they’re back at the top of the draft, searching for “the guy.”

  17. packerswambulance says: Jun 4, 2011 1:39 PM

    sign vince young to play the season, hope he screws his head on straight and has a good year as well as trade value. If he doesn’t hope Ponder is ready by mid season and Vince hits the road and waves goodbye to the NFL.

  18. knucklehead93 says: Jun 4, 2011 1:46 PM

    Frazier should be creating some gadget plays for Joe Webb. Give him 10% of the snaps next year. Especially short yardage. Similar to the Jets with Brad Smith.

    Chilly should have done that with Tarvaris too. If Favre didn’t like it, then tough ****.

  19. hardcorevikesfan says: Jun 4, 2011 2:02 PM

    @Ndnut

    Webb was our best QB? Don’t get me wrong I like Joe Webb, but he was hardly our best QB. Our team was so awful that even Favre with nothing left to give was better than a healthy Tarvaris Jackson and Joe Webb. Rhett Bomar hadn’t made a team’s active roster for a reason until of course we signed him. Also, we are further off a SB than one or two receivers. We need offensive linemen that are young (and actually effective) and we need to shore up our secondary. That is a pretty tall order, and trust me, that won’t be a one offseason fix.

  20. vikefan says: Jun 4, 2011 3:04 PM

    uh, this has been breaking new since a “home game” in Detroit last season, way to keep ahead of a breaking story.

    Tight ends better be ready this year cause defenses will be easily tipping to stop running game and Ponder will want to get ball out fast. I would prefer him not to start the season, guess will wait to see the full list of choices.

  21. saxmachine69 says: Jun 4, 2011 3:23 PM

    Step 1: Steal underpants

    Step 2: …………………………?

    Step 3: Profit

  22. scott8nj says: Jun 4, 2011 3:26 PM

    I’m not sure the Vikings have time to grow a rookie QB right now. The Williams wall is getting older and Petersen may only have 3 or 4 prime years left. Maybe a deal for Carson Palmer or Mcnabb is a better idea. Go for it now while you have most of the pieces in place.

  23. lacharger2112 says: Jun 4, 2011 3:32 PM

    “our plan is ever revolving. Whenever we realize how stupid our last decision was, we try a different idea. Our next good idea will also be our first.” Leslie
    Sorry, but Minnesota is such an easy target these days. 4-12 if there is a full season.
    You got one good year out of Favre. Now the Packers have the last laugh on you. He destroyed your season last year and put you in a horrible position for this year. Ponder may be a great QB but, he won’t have the needed preparation time to show that this coming season.
    I thought after Favre threw that interception in the NFC Championship, he was going to rip his Vikings jersey off and show everyone his Packers shirt underneath and declare it was all his grand plan to screw the Vikings!
    Well played Favre. Assclown!

  24. bigdan7885 says: Jun 4, 2011 3:40 PM

    Does anyone know what the stats are on rookie QBs who’ve started week 1 vs. rookie QBs who start their career on the bench? I would bet that rookie QBs who start week 1 are more successful.

  25. lacharger2112 says: Jun 4, 2011 3:55 PM

    kingpitvinny says: Jun 4, 2011 11:06 AM

    Favre comes back for one more shot!

    ______________

    Is that a Jen Sterger reference?

  26. vikefan says: Jun 4, 2011 4:13 PM

    Im all for Palmer, McNabb is also an ass clown, self centered- qb may not matter if no improvement in o-line. that was really stale swiss cheese last year.

  27. packattack1967 says: Jun 4, 2011 4:30 PM

    Two of the best defenses in football in the Packers and Bears and a very good one in Detroit. I’d get a vet asap. I really dislike the vikings but am a Frazier admirer. He has his work cut out for him that’s for sure.

  28. Justin says: Jun 4, 2011 4:37 PM

    trbowman says:
    Jun 4, 2011 1:26 PM
    Ponder = One of the worst picks in the whole draft.

    ———————————————-

    This is idiotic because he hasn’t spent a single second on the field as an NFL player much like every other player drafted. As it stands he is as good as every other rookie drafted.

  29. terrellochouno says: Jun 4, 2011 5:30 PM

    It’s amazing to me that nothing in the article (and only one of the comments!) mentioned Joe Webb. He may not be the guy, but he’s proven himself worthy of a chance in his limited time on the field.

  30. goombar2 says: Jun 4, 2011 6:32 PM

    Joe Webb is moving back to Wr for the most part. There will probably be a couple “wildcat” trick plays for him too, but his QB day are over. He’s a good athlete but not a QB.

    I still don’t know what all the fuss about Christian “Rubber Arm” Ponder is about. Look at his greatest clips on youtube. 6-10 of those passes he puts in the air get picked off in the NFL. And keep in mind, those are his best throws! Reminds me a lot of Clausen and Rick Meir. Their games don’t really translate to the NFL.

    He folds quicker than a Chinese laundry… So the idea of starting him right away… You start him this year and forget about it, he’ll never be the same. in 13 games Favre got sacked 22 times. Put a rookie in their and he’ll get killed.

    I also like the way vikefan wants to police boards against Packer fans, but look at all the low-rent viking comments… And yet where’s the outrage? Hmmm…

  31. ndnut says: Jun 4, 2011 7:48 PM

    @hardcorevikefan

    I’ll give you the secondary, but if Webb starts the OL won’t matter. He proved that in the games at “The Bank” and Tuesday Night Football in Philly. With Webb creating plays and Peterson and Gerhart running hard we can get into a shootout scoring battle. Don’t tell me we won’t use Gerhart. We don’t want AD hurt so Toby should/will take on a larger role.

    P.S. Would you really rate Bret Fart ahead of Joe Webb on last season alone. And AT LEAST give Bomar a chance in Training Camp (if it happens).

  32. trbowman says: Jun 4, 2011 7:50 PM

    “This is idiotic because he hasn’t spent a single second on the field as an NFL player much like every other player drafted. As it stands he is as good as every other rookie drafted.”

    That doesn’t change the fact it was a huge reach.

    Come back to me in three years.

  33. Justin says: Jun 4, 2011 7:51 PM

    goombar2 is an NFL scout! He looks at youtube and can then accurately predict a QB’s future based upon 25 pass attempts out of approximately 1000!

    I bet you saw a couple Jamarcus Russell 80 yard bombs and knew he was the next best thing

  34. hardcorevikesfan says: Jun 4, 2011 8:04 PM

    @ndnut

    The offensive line ALWAYS matters. You cannot simply have even an athletic quarterback running for his life on every play. As far as running goes, defenses are just gonna stack 8 in the box until we can prove we can beat them through the air. We seen it for 3 seasons with the Vikings, the exception of course being the 2009 season. Yes, I would rate Brett Favre ahead of Joe Webb, Tarvaris, and Bomar. Why else do you think the team begged him to come back? Simple, no matter the circumstance he gave the Vikings the best chance to win every Sunday. Unfortunately for us it didn’t work out very well this past season.

  35. jimmysee says: Jun 4, 2011 9:15 PM

    Here’s the plan:

    1. Sign a serviceable veteran QB who can start for a while but is content to be a backup.

    ———————————————–

    These mythical veteran QBs don’t exist anywhere but in never-never-land and the dreams of good little boys and girls.

    If they were any good, they’d be employed.

    I mean, even Rex-Frigging-Grossman sees himself as the starter for the Redskins!

    So you sign the elusive veteran. Do you tailor your offense to his shrinking talent?

    That screws up your playbook and prevents the rookie sensation from learning the system the coach wants to install!

    If you ask the veteran to play within the team system, and its outside his diminishing skillset, and he has limited time to prepare for the season, he’ll get killed on the field, and lose game after game.

    There is no good answer here for the Vikings. And every day that passes without getting both that veteran and hot shot rookie into camp means the season will be more and more dismal.

  36. jimmysee says: Jun 4, 2011 9:17 PM

    Actually, the only answer for the Vikings might be Brett — but he will extract way more than a pound of flesh is he is to sacrifice his dignity one more season for the Vikings.

  37. ndnut says: Jun 4, 2011 9:20 PM

    @hardcorevikefan

    The OL personnel is not the problem, besides depth. The problem is the stupid zone blocking system Col. Klink installed. It may have worked in Philly but it didn’t in Minnesota. But he had a “my way or the highway” attitude that will never work in the NFL. These men are meant to play hard nosed old school hit em’ hard cliche cliche man to man blocking. The entire coaching staff saw it but didn’t say a word for fear of their jobs and public humiliation. See where the OL won’t be a problem!

  38. hardcorevikesfan says: Jun 4, 2011 11:55 PM

    @ndnut

    The zone blocking scheme has got to be the stupidest thing Childress ever did, you are right. However, you cannot honestly sit here and tell me John Sullivan and Anthony Herrera are quality starters and wouldn’t find trouble finding a starting job on another team. I like our draft, Damarcus Love could be one of the biggest steals of the draft. Hopefully Love and Brandon Fusco can turn out to be starters or at least quality backups.

  39. goombar2 says: Jun 5, 2011 12:17 AM

    Ah, how cute… The peanut gallery sent Justin! What an unfortunate name. Anywho..

    Never claimed to be a scout… Never talked about his greatest hits on youtube as being game film. So your point isn’t very valid, is it? The clip on youtube is just general access for anyone to view, so that we don’t have a discussion in a bubble.

    And all I said is look for yourself. Take in all that is Ponderific. If you look with nuetral eyes you’ll see a weak arm. You’ll see acurate throws, but with lots of air under them.

    The other thing you’ll see is very little pressure on Ponder. Most of the big plays aren’t stretch plays, they’re intermediate passes against broken coverage…

    But you know all that cause you’ve actually watched Ponder… Somehow I doubt it, otherwise you’d see the same thing I see, a 2nd to 3rd round flyer… The next Rick Mier.

  40. vikefan says: Jun 5, 2011 11:39 AM

    First, this nice site has been deleting my posts lately.

    Second, if packer fans always stated the truth, the WHole truth, & NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, you would not get so much criticizm

    If you dont claim to be a scout or want to be addressed as such, dont post like one or claim you know more than all else

    Childresses o-line scheme blatantly sucked but so did most of his personell decisions. Yes his zone blocking scheme sucked ass, but the personell he has picked to succeed the likes of Matt Birk is complete crap. Sullivan may be smart, but is way undersized for his position. I personally knew that when Childress kicked Birk out of town, that was the beginning of something very bad. It was his way or the highway, he was always trying to put square pegs in round holes, an instant red flag for any coach. Zygi should have seen it but refused to admit his mistake. the writing is on the walls that chili could not get another job, he just sucked.

  41. goombar2 says: Jun 5, 2011 4:21 PM

    I just love the way you guys now throw Childress under the bus. Everything is Childress’ fault!

    If you’d like to show me where I claimed to be a scout, I’d love to see it… How about even hinted at it or acted like a scout?… If you read my comments, they might be educated from years of watching football and reading football books. What I’m saying about Ponder might be something all scouts agree on, but anyone that looks at the clips can see it.

    I can’t make up what is right there, look at it. He throws a beautiful lob ball and completes it against broken coverage. All I’ve explained is the obvious, I know in viking circles that would probably make me a GM (probably the most successful), but in most NFL circles it makes me a pretty smart seasoned fan.

    And this site tries to get rid of comments that are either profane – without much thought or if they are so ignorant they should make the poster blush… In your case, based of your previous craftsmanship with the keyboard – it’s hard to tell which of the two applies. Maybe a bit of both? If you’re smart (this might be a stretch) you might want to clean it up before they ban you.

  42. supersuckers3 says: Jun 5, 2011 10:28 PM

    Let’s be real folks. Lockout or no lockout if a NFL team is still Pondering their QB situation and were not prepared for this then there are many more issues with your football team then the actual human that will eventually get his butt whipped this year. What a joke…

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