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Raiders “worst moments” includes one of the worst for any team

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We’ve been counting down the worst moments for each team since the last work stoppage each day on PFT Live.

Today, the Raiders get the “worst moments” treatment.

And the very worst moment for the Raiders arguably is the worst moment that any team has experienced since 1987.

Think snow.

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  1. donterrelli says: Jun 6, 2011 3:09 PM

    Am I first with JaMarcus Russell?

  2. benh999 says: Jun 6, 2011 3:10 PM

    What about every time Uncle Al does a press conference?

  3. danimalk82 says: Jun 6, 2011 3:14 PM

    Not quite sure your show is long enough for this list.

  4. Deb says: Jun 6, 2011 3:26 PM

    Although I learned through PFT that the “Tuck Rule” was in the rulebook before that infamous game, it shouldn’t be. That rule is just another example of the league legislating the life out of the game.

  5. masterblaster78 says: Jun 6, 2011 3:28 PM

    Barrett Robbins disappearing during the Super Bowl is one McMarcus Russell is another

  6. lovesportsandsurfing says: Jun 6, 2011 3:39 PM

    The term “Raider Hater”…you all think its something we dislike hearing,..but we love it,…ever heard the term “Browns Hater”?…”Seahawk Hater”?….”Charger Hater”?….nope,…heres a test for you all,…just try and go a day, an hour, without thinking about the Raiders, sorry, we all know you cant do it,…youve tried all your life to get us out of your heads, but have failed…you pretend to hate the Raiders more then you pretend to love your own team…try seeing a therapist, tell the doc you cant go an hour without “hating” the Raiders,…but in reality all youre doing is thinking about us…you will NEVER be able to escape the grasp the Raiders have on you,..so go ahead,..keep “hating”…while we keep laughing at you.

  7. radrntn says: Jun 6, 2011 3:49 PM

    @lovesportsandsurfing agree, gotta love the hate…almost what is as funny as people trying to copy the “nation” ….everybody knows there is only one nation…raider nation…all others are just wanna bees, and haters.

  8. dogsweat1 says: Jun 6, 2011 3:55 PM

    AL Davis,’ Darrell Russell is our starting qb for the 2010 season!”

  9. lostsok says: Jun 6, 2011 3:55 PM

    I agree with Masterblaster: Barrett Robbins should be on this list as well. He doesn’t melt down, the Raider OL plays well…the Raiders OL players well, Rich Gannon gets in a groove…totally different game. A blowout would have been instead a very close and probably exciting game.

    I won’t claim the Raiders would have won. Chucky had an advantage: he knew his old team backwards, forwards and inside out. I doubt the Raiders could have overcome that edge. But it would have been a great, great game if Robbins hadn’t gone off the deep end….

  10. eastcoastninerfan says: Jun 6, 2011 4:08 PM

    Gotta love the Raiders…. I’m mean anytime your down or not feeling well just think of the Silver and Black and that seems to alway put a smile on your face. Al Davis…he sure runs one hell of an organization :)

    You do gotta admire there fans though…the Black Hole is one place that would be intimidating to the fan of the visiting team.

  11. raiderinpa says: Jun 6, 2011 4:09 PM

    Yeah, we’ve had more than our share of bad moments… But if you look at the entire body of work.. the good, by far, outweighs the bad… A fact that all of you haters cant claim about your own miserable team… Keep on hating, people usually hate something they cant understand or overcome.. Plus, the other 31 NFL teams need fans too… You all cant be Raider fans (although you know you would LOVE to!)

    Win, lose or tie… RAIDERS til I ‘effing’ DIE!!

  12. tombradyhonorsociety says: Jun 6, 2011 4:17 PM

    Randy Moss…THE END!

  13. ponci21 says: Jun 6, 2011 4:20 PM

    It was not necessarily the “worst” moment in Raiders team history, but one of the worst things I every saw was Napolean McCallum’s knee injury against the 49er’s on MNF. I guess there might have been worse since, but I was a young kid and in my mind it is still the worst injury I have ever seen during a sporting event.

  14. winkeroni says: Jun 6, 2011 4:27 PM

    Lane Kiffin

  15. albanyhawker says: Jun 6, 2011 4:40 PM

    Mike – love these “worst moment” pieces.

    When you do recurring stuff like this, you should post links in the current piece to the ones you’ve done prior, so when someone finishes the Raiders one, they can just click over to watch the Vikings one or any of the others you’ve already done.

    Or create a link to the group on the main navigation.

    Just a suggestion.

  16. humb0lt says: Jun 6, 2011 4:41 PM

    31-97 since 2002. That’s a lot of sad moments.

  17. flyerscup2010 says: Jun 6, 2011 4:43 PM

    JaMarcus Russell has nothing to do with snow.

  18. mpj87124 says: Jun 6, 2011 4:53 PM

    I get so sick of everyone saying that Coleman applied a “little known” rule in the NE snow. Only Walt will ever know why he gave the ball back to New England “screwing” the Raiders out of the playoffs. OK It happened. Game over, move on. Happened before it will happen again. What really makes it hard to let go is the fact the Officials and the NFL wouldn’t come out and say Coleman got the call wrong. Coleman came back from the booth and clearly stated “the quarterbacks arm was GOING FORWARD”. It wasn’t until later when the officials were trying to defend Colemans call, after digging through the rule book, scrambling to come up with anything to keep it from looking like, well anything but what it was. It wasn’t until well after the game the NFL officials defended the call and introduced the world to the “tuck rule”

  19. sickcuz says: Jun 6, 2011 4:54 PM

    flyerscup2010 says:
    Jun 6, 2011 4:43 PM
    JaMarcus Russell has nothing to do with snow.

    Yeah, he prefers purple drank, thank you.

  20. descendency says: Jun 6, 2011 4:59 PM

    mini-dynasty?????????????????? LOL.

  21. buggvin says: Jun 6, 2011 5:09 PM

    Ok… As a Raiders fan, yes, all these hurt… but how can Bo Jackson’s injury not make the list????

  22. humb0lt says: Jun 6, 2011 5:20 PM

    flyerscup2010 says: Jun 6, 2011 4:43 PM

    JaMarcus Russell has nothing to do with snow.

    ———————————————————————————————

    Neither does hiring Art Shell and the Bed & Breakfast offensive coordinator Tom Walsh

  23. blancanieve00 says: Jun 6, 2011 5:23 PM

    The Raiders Are Still One Of The Most Historic And most Recognized Franchises In The World.

    Raiders 4 Ever

  24. stvang says: Jun 6, 2011 5:29 PM

    BO Jackson’s career ending injury. He was unstoppable and would have easily lead that team to a super bowl.

  25. granadafan says: Jun 6, 2011 5:35 PM

    Al Davis destroying the Oakland Coliseum for Mount Davis and making the Alameda County taxpayers pay for that mess has to be on the list.

  26. lolatvick says: Jun 6, 2011 5:36 PM

    Worst moment is the Raiders need one yard to get a first down, and run the clock out to go to the AFC Championship gamel.
    Instead of running Charlie Garner who was gaining yards all game, they run Zack Crockett instead who wasn’t gaining any thing in the snow.
    The Raiders don’t get the first down they needed, and the Pats go on to tie, and then win the game.
    Coaching error cost them the game. Crockett was the wrong person to get the ball.
    They had the chance to win it then and there and couldn’t get the job done.

  27. jebdamone says: Jun 6, 2011 5:40 PM

    not a raiders fan but my opinion is bo jackson is the worst moment in their history and one of the worst in the entire history of the league. the guy is still a legend and he only played a few years, think of what he may have done with a full career. the entire nfl history was changed by the bo jackson injury so i have to put it first for that reason as well as what it meant to the raiders. tuck rule was pretty bad, jamarcus was a total farce…those are my other tops.

  28. danimalk82 says: Jun 6, 2011 5:46 PM

    @lovesportsandsurfing

    Since when do “hating” and “feeling sorry for” mean the same thing”?

    PS remember when the Raiders god rid of Gruden and then he beat them in the Super Bowl…. Hilarious.

  29. nepatriots128154 says: Jun 6, 2011 5:48 PM

    Ha Ha Ha!

  30. danimalk82 says: Jun 6, 2011 5:49 PM

    People want to see a Hard Knocks on the Oakland Raiders for the same reason that people watch Jersey Shore… Because watching a train wreck unfolding is interesting.

  31. humb0lt says: Jun 6, 2011 6:05 PM

    blancanieve00 says: Jun 6, 2011 5:23 PM

    The Raiders Are Still One Of The Most Historic And most Recognized Franchises In The World.

    ————————————————————————————————————

    The Raiders are one of the most inept and ridiculed franchises in all of sports

    Seven consecutive seasons with 11+ losses. No other team in NFL history has matched this fail.

    Shut out twice on Monday Night Football in the same season. No other team in history has achieved this embarrassment.

    JaMarcus Russell – biggest bust in NFL history.

    Most NFL fans know the Raiders for their failures of the past 8 seasons – 8 seasons without a winning record. Most of today’s NFL fans are too young to remember stuff that happened in the ’70s and early ’80s.

  32. raiderapologist says: Jun 6, 2011 6:35 PM

    humb0lt says:
    31-97 since 2002. That’s a lot of sad moments.

    You can’t have success without failure, but you can have failure without success. Just look at the Chargers.

  33. twags26 says: Jun 6, 2011 6:37 PM

    gotta love all these fans of other teams that post on EVERY raider topic to try and trash on a team that was in the superbowl 9 years ago when most of there test haven’t been to a superbowl or even an afc championship game in double that (looking at you humbolt). Even more pathetic is the fact that they post the same lame contrived repetitive crap cuz they dont have the brains to come up with something original

  34. autumnwind999 says: Jun 6, 2011 6:47 PM

    Great myth in sports: Walt Coleman applied the “tuck rule.” After about 10 minutes of review during which he allegedly consulted with NFL Commissioner Paul Tagliabue, Coleman came back and said “upon further review the quarterback’s arm was going forward.” Of course, it clearly was not. And somehow he found conclusive “proof” to overturn the call after about 10 minutes that he couldn’t apparently find after the first few dozen times reviewing the tape. But the tuck rule explanation didn’t come out till after the game. That was the invention Coleman and/or the league came up with to cover up the call.

    Top that off with the fact that Brady actually did have the ball “tucked” anyway (there’s a photo of him with two hands on it with the ball pressed to his stomach with Woodson reaching in to knock it free) and it’s clear this is just one of if not the worst calls in sports history.

    Anyone who disputes that was a bad call should ask Tom Brady. He’s admitted it was a gift call.

  35. ratbastardshanahandjob says: Jun 6, 2011 6:58 PM

    The worst moment(s) for Raider fans are every day “Coach” Davis is still the GM, head of player personell, head of scouting, owners box DC…..Until he retires quotes like “JaMarcus is a great playaaa. Get ovah it” will never end. Draft picks like dhBUST will still be made….

  36. maxvv says: Jun 6, 2011 6:59 PM

    “The term “Raider Hater”…you all think its something we dislike hearing,..but we love it,…ever heard the term “Browns Hater”?…”Seahawk Hater”?….”Charger Hater”?….nope”

    Well, uh, no. Those don’t rhyme.

  37. bcgreg says: Jun 6, 2011 7:09 PM

    @ mpj87124

    Man, you are so wrong here. The tuck rule was applied many times during that particular season alone. I will agree that it was a “little KNOWN rule”, but it is a rule nonetheless. I’ll also agree that Coleman said what he said on the field, but two points. The tuck rule has to do with the “arm going forward”. It’s the whole point of the rule. Second, in an interview after the game, Coleman stated that as soon as he saw the replay, he knew that he had to reverse the call based on the rule. I understand that you’re pissed. I’m a Pats fan and “roughing the passer” still gets to me too. Believe it or not, I feel your pain. In the course of history, the Raiders and the Pats were beneficiaries of calls against one another that led to SB victories.

    The main difference is that Coleman applied an actual rule while Drieth left his glasses at home that day. Regardless, each team had a call go against them while the other team went on to win a title. In these cases, you win some, and you lose some…literally.

  38. j0esixpack says: Jun 6, 2011 7:15 PM

    So let me get this straight.

    No one can dispute that the Tuck Rule was on the books at the time it was called

    No one can dispute that the NFL reviewed the call and deemed the Tuck Rule properly applied in that game

    No one can dispute that the Tuck Rule was looked at very carefully that offseason and in multiple offseasons since and it has been retained by the Competition Committee (lead by well known Patriots hater Bill Polian) and remains on the books to this day

    No one can dispute that the Raiders still had multiple opportunities to win that game, and failed to execute

    And the Raiders and Raider fans have STILL convinced themselves that they are the victim of an unjust call?

    Frankly I think they SHOULD change the rule but that’s beside the point. If it’s on the books, the Refs should enforce it – just like they did in the “Snow Bowl”

  39. insider7 says: Jun 6, 2011 7:17 PM

    Typical Raider fan stiffs. They always complain about obeying the rules so is it any surprise that they complain about the Tuck Rule being applied? The Tuck Rule was applied AGAINST that Patriots that very same season.

    I wonder what Daryl Stingley would say regarding all of this Raider whining about obeying the rules…..

  40. jdlaroo says: Jun 6, 2011 7:29 PM

    The fact that Al is still breathing??

  41. hendeeze says: Jun 6, 2011 7:33 PM

    @raiderapologist
    your right, both teams are losers, but the chargers beat the raiders more times then not this decade. Therefore the raiders are worse

  42. gbfanforever says: Jun 6, 2011 7:36 PM

    As a packer fan, I have to recognize letting Charles Woodson walk as a huge blunder.

  43. ampats says: Jun 6, 2011 7:48 PM

    lolatvick seems to be the only realistic Raider fan.

    Instead of blaming the tuck rule which still exists today how come the Raiders could not put the game away even while choking in OT?

    By then again, that what losers do make excuses like their franchise from 2003-present.

    The only close race between the Raiders and the Lions is not Hard Knocks but the worst team of the decade.

  44. blacksunday1 says: Jun 6, 2011 7:55 PM

    I will go to my grave believing that the Raiders won in NE. I also believed that Coleman will never make that call had the game had been in the Coliseum. Can you imagine the riot that will ensued after the game. Furthermore, the entire NE fans went completely silent when they realized that Brady fumble and I’d like to think that their fans were reasonable and knowledgeable about football. I shall hate Coleman forever and I will see him in HELL.

  45. lovesportsandsurfing says: Jun 6, 2011 8:00 PM

    Keep on “Hating” the Nation…but we arent buying it, none of it…when you grow a pair, take off that dress, you will then be allowed to apply to be a part of us,..until then, stay right where you are,…on the outside looking in on the most exciting sports franchise in history.

  46. Chairman Al says: Jun 6, 2011 8:02 PM

    @humbolt:

    You certainly have a case for JaMarcus as biggest bust of all time. And I can appreciate you, as a Chargers fan, trying to declare it fact, especially since you had Ryan Leaf.

    Yes, the Raiders spent a ton of money and the #1 pick on Russell. But the Chargers, who had the #3 pick in their draft, traded two first round picks, a second round pick, and Eric Metcalf to get Leaf. People can bash the Raiders for the Seymour trade all they want. Bolts gave up double the first rounders, a Pro Bowlers, and a 2nd Round pick for Leaf. I’d say he ranks right there with JaMarcus just for that.

    Also, as for the 7 consecutive seasons with 11 losses, you’re correct. But, the Raiders finished 8-8 this year and made that stat history. Quote it if you like, but then, if we’re quoting history, how about the Raiders winning 3 Super Bowls? Also, the Raiders are one of (if not the only) team to go to the Super Bowl in 4 different decades (I’ll have to check my history to see if we’re alone there or not). Hard to deny that.

    And, if you want to forget history and stick with this past season, we swept the Chargers.

    Fans may know the Raiders for their recent struggles and lack of success, but they also know the Chargers for a team that, though it has a high powered offense, sputters in clutch situations.

  47. ehatem says: Jun 6, 2011 8:06 PM

    I’m going out on a limb here, but I’m guessing the 2005 Saints would trade places with the Raiders who lost the tuck rule game in a heartbeat. Or Detroit Lion fans the day Matt Millen was hired. Or the Falcons when the Vick and Petrino debacle occurred. Think I’d rather be a Raider fan remembering the tuck rule then a Dolphin fan remembering that they could have had Brees instead of New Orleans too or when Rickey Williams decided he’d rather smoke pot then compete for a title. As bad a call as the tuck rule was, and with as much on the line as was going on in that game, and with as much bad that followed it… I’m not sure it even makes my top 5.

  48. radrntn says: Jun 6, 2011 8:14 PM

    @humbolt…..i love you….you are the greatest, besides evan.

  49. radrntn says: Jun 6, 2011 8:21 PM

    @joesixpack…..what six pack of kool aid do you drink………i remeber the 1972 olympics …when the USA won gold, only to have some “booth review” where some rule said something that allowed the game to be replayed until the russians won the gold. Russians to this day feel they won the gold fair and square, the same way the pats fans feel the same……..besides that game in 1972 the tuck rule goes down as the worse call by refs in the history of all sports. I should correct myself all the refs on the field had it right, fumble….some bozo who got the call from the commish to fix the game, made the stupid call , say what you want, but it’s a well known fact the league hates al davis, and will rob the raiders whenever they get the chance….raiders can beat anybody, except for the refs.

  50. humb0lt says: Jun 6, 2011 8:26 PM

    @Chairman Al-

    Congrats for going 2-13 against the Chargers over the past 15 games.

    And the average NFL fan isn’t old enough to remember what happened 25-35 years ago.

    Live in the present.

  51. radrntn says: Jun 6, 2011 8:40 PM

    funny how pats fan think football was created when tom brady started to play… I have respect for the dolphins, cowboys, and bears….they are the only teams with a better winning %. all others can get in line behind us

  52. Chairman Al says: Jun 6, 2011 8:52 PM

    @Humbolt:

    What is present? Most recent season? We were 2-0 in the last year. No doubt, you owned us for years before that. I’m not disputing it. 2-13 was a beatdown. But, the last 7 years is present to you? OK, then I’m going to take it back just a little bit further to 8 years, and say that the Raiders are also the last AFC West team to make a Super Bowl. Got beat, I’ll even say they got blown out by Gruden, but they were there. Chargers haven’t been since their own beatdown at the hands of the 49ers.

    And I would say the average fan could tell you that the Raiders have at least one ring. Maybe not the exact amount, maybe not the years, but most could say they knew the Raiders have won.

    I’m not sure what you really want to define as present. Technically, present is both of our teams sitting with thumbs up their butts because of legal junk. But it’s convenient how your version of recent history begins just after that Super Bowl win, huh?

  53. autumnwind999 says: Jun 6, 2011 8:59 PM

    j0esixpack says:
    Jun 6, 2011 7:15 PM
    So let me get this straight.

    No one can dispute that the Tuck Rule was on the books at the time it was called

    No one can dispute that the NFL reviewed the call and deemed the Tuck Rule properly applied in that game

    No one can dispute that the Tuck Rule was looked at very carefully that offseason and in multiple offseasons since and it has been retained by the Competition Committee (lead by well known Patriots hater Bill Polian) and remains on the books to this day

    No one can dispute that the Raiders still had multiple opportunities to win that game, and failed to execute

    And the Raiders and Raider fans have STILL convinced themselves that they are the victim of an unjust call?

    Frankly I think they SHOULD change the rule but that’s beside the point. If it’s on the books, the Refs should enforce it – just like they did in the “Snow Bowl”

    ————————

    Just because you say “No one can dispute …” doesn’t make it true. Everything you say is disputable and/or irrelevant.

    1. True.

    2. Irrelevant. You really think the NFL wants to admit it screwed up a game-deciding call and delegitimize the conference championship game if it finds an excuse — however flimsy it may be — to avoid it?

    3. Irrelevant. See the above. Changing the rule would’ve been an admission that the call was a joke. Easier to just leave it on the books and have the refs go on to ignore it forever. Has anyone seen the tuck rule called since that game 10 years ago? I watch several games every week on the Sunday Ticket, SNF and MNF and don’t recall seeing the tuck rule called again.

    4. Hardly. A couple of plays later the Pats were in FG range. Then a quick OT FG. The Raiders never really had much of a shot to win that game after that.

    5. Yes. And the overwhelming majority of non-Raiders football fans familiar with the call. And Tom Brady and other members of that Pats team.

    6. Refs didn’t enforce it. Coleman stated “the quarterback’s arm was going forward.” No reference to the tuck rule or inference to suggest he even knew about the rule when he found “indisputable evidence” to overturn that call.

  54. Thomas says: Jun 6, 2011 9:00 PM

    Yes the rule had been applied earlier in that year. No Coleman did not apply the rule correctly. As others have stated, there is a shot of Brady with both hands on the ball. If we were to take Coleman’s and the League’s interpretation to its logical conclusion, a QB need only pump fake once on dropping back to pass for any loss of the ball by the QB on that play to be considered an incomplete pass and clearly that cannot be correct. Brady’s arm had come all the way back to his chest before Woodson hit him. Even based on the rules at that time, it should be have been a fumble.

    I can think of many events that were worse that the Tuck rule frankly.
    1. The day Madden retired.
    2. The day Marc Wilson became the starting QB (luckily that ended quickly).
    3. Both times they hired Art Shell
    4. The day we learned Rosell prevented Elway from going to the Raiders.
    5. The day the Dolphins drafted Marino two spots ahead of the Raiders.
    6. The day Bo Jackson got hurt.
    7. The day they traded Marcus Allen.
    8. The day they traded Gruden.
    9. Both times they hired Bresnahan as the defensive coordinator
    10. Every draft day when they draft “the fastest guy in the draft”
    11. Every day we learn that modern medicine will keep Davis as the GM of the Raiders another day…

  55. autumnwind999 says: Jun 6, 2011 9:04 PM

    humb0lt says:
    Jun 6, 2011 8:26 PM
    @Chairman Al-

    Congrats for going 2-13 against the Chargers over the past 15 games.

    And the average NFL fan isn’t old enough to remember what happened 25-35 years ago.

    Live in the present.

    ————-

    OK. Like 2-0 vs. SD since 2010. Is that in the present enough for you.

  56. 1bigtex says: Jun 6, 2011 9:09 PM

    @ stvang
    Uh dude, Bo played 4 seasons and scored a total of 16 TDs plus he gained less than 3,000 yards in those 4 seasons. 700 yards and 4 TDs a season is clearly not the definition of “unstoppable”.

  57. kevinfromth says: Jun 6, 2011 9:27 PM

    When, as a 13-year-old fat white kid growing up in rural Indiana, I bought a Raiders winter coat to look more “street.” They never recovered.

  58. Chairman Al says: Jun 6, 2011 9:29 PM

    And I’ll strike a point against myself for that last flub. Certainly wasn’t a SB win. Wishful thinking, but absolutely a FAIL that I’ll call on myself.

  59. lovesportsandsurfing says: Jun 6, 2011 9:46 PM

    Humbolt,..thats the difference between Raiders and Chargers,..the Chargers think some minor era of winning head to head matches is an accomplishment,..BFD,…the Raiders go for titles,..have 3, you have none,..by the way, swept your sorry butts last year,..check the head to head lifetime,..its lopsided, check the division titles between the Raiders and Chargers,..its lopsided,..check Lombardis,…its lopsided,…know this Charger fan,..there isnt one thing you can pull out, not one thing, that has us beat,..head to head, divisions, superbowls…go ahead and try,..we will all sit here and wait while you google your butt off, and realize Im right…have a nice night.

  60. radrntn says: Jun 6, 2011 9:50 PM

    @ humbolt the present …ok we are 2-0 against you this season , everything else is in the past.

    Undefeated against the chargers …gotta love the way you look at things. cant talk about spanking you next year since that is the future so we will stick with 2 and 0

  61. humb0lt says: Jun 6, 2011 11:04 PM

    Raiders fans are so sensitive. Point out a few truths about their team and they start whining like girls.

  62. ponci21 says: Jun 7, 2011 9:23 AM

    buggvin, that is a great call. Bo Jackson’s injury eliminated one of the best players in two sports. The craziest part to me, watching the game, was the fact that it didn’t look like that bad of an injury and O.J. Simpson was reporting from the sidelines and said something like “That may be the last we see of Bo Jackson for a long time.” I thought he was crazy, but I was proven wrong. Then he may or may not have killed his wife, then he wrote “If I did it” and finally he held a man up at gun point over some memorabilia.

  63. raiderapologist says: Jun 7, 2011 4:22 PM

    humb0lt says: Jun 6, 2011 8:26 PM

    Congrats for going 2-13 against the Chargers over the past 15 games.
    Live in the present.
    ———–

    Fair enough. Presently, the Raiders are 2-0 against the Chargers.

  64. coachglove says: Jun 7, 2011 8:26 PM

    Stingley hit was legal at the time…and some debate whether it was clean or not.

    The Tuck rule game was a rule misapplied and an abuse of the replay system. You cannot have clear evidence to overturn a call if it takes you 10 minutes to look at it. Fact is, and someone else made this comment earlier, if the standard is the QB only need begin a throwing motion and then anything that happens after is a fumble, every QB coach in the league who isn’t coaching players to pump right after taking the snap is doing their team a disservice.

    Worst moment for me – the Gruden trade. I get why Al did it, but I loved him for our team. This whole decade has sucked, but I’d still rather be a Raider fan than support any other team.

  65. raiderapologist says: Jun 7, 2011 9:47 PM

    humb0lt says: Jun 6, 2011 11:04 PM

    Raiders fans are so sensitive. Point out a few truths about their team and they start whining like girls.
    ————
    Raider fans don’t whine like humb0lt’s younger cousins do at family events. He’s just confused.

  66. bcgreg says: Jun 11, 2011 11:09 PM

    @blacksunday1

    Replace Raiders with NE, NE with Raiders, Coleman with Dreith, and Coliseum with Foxboro.

  67. bwisnasky says: Jun 12, 2011 11:40 AM

    humbolt –

    So lets see.. I do believe the 7 years between 1997 and 2003 the Chargers actually only had 2 seasons with an 8-8 record.. the rest were all pretty pathetic, including a 1-15 mark….. Even the Bed and Breakfast Art Shell led Raiders managed to eke out 2 wins…. But let’s talk history….

    San Diego Chargers All-time

    Regular Season Record (all-time) : 384-377-11
    Playoff Record (all-time) : 10-16 (Last appearance after 2009 season)
    Super Bowls Won: 0 out of 1 appearance
    Championships Won: 1

    Oakland Raiders All-time

    Regular Season Record (all-time) : 418-343-11
    Playoff Record (all-time) : 25-18 (Last appearance after 2002 season)
    Super Bowls Won: 3 out of 5 appearances
    Championships Won: 3

    No matter how you slice it.. comparing those two teams, I’m sure your butt has to hurt…

  68. stvang says: Jun 12, 2011 2:11 PM

    1bigtex says:Jun 6, 2011 9:09 PM

    @ stvang
    Uh dude, Bo played 4 seasons and scored a total of 16 TDs plus he gained less than 3,000 yards in those 4 seasons. 700 yards and 4 TDs a season is clearly not the definition of “unstoppable”.

    ————————————————-

    Your a twit! Also consider he was sharing the spot with marcus allen.

    The only other running back I can compare him to is barry sanders. I’ve yet to see any back as explosive as these two were.

    Bo making bosworth look stupid and useless on monday night was classic Bo. In hind sight several made bosworth look stupid and useless.

  69. discosucs2005 says: Jun 12, 2011 5:51 PM

    This is my opinion and not a factual argument (and I am definitely not a Raider fan) but I’m guessing if the teams were reversed, the Raiders would have not gotten that call. I don’t think it was a conspiracy or anything of that nature, I just think at the time (and certainly not anymore) Tom Brady was a likable underdog. Now of course, it’s just the opposite.

  70. 1bigtex says: Jun 13, 2011 12:27 PM

    @ stvang

    Wow, yes, that 640 yards a season that Marcus Allen averaged during those four years would keep any great RB on the bench wouldn’t it? Get real dude. This whole “Bo Jackson was going to be a great RB” is revisionist history at it’s finest. He had four seasons to show what he could do. What he could do was average less than 700 yards a season with 4 TDs. Not the numbers of a great RB regardless of how big and fast he was. Comparing Bo to Barry Sanders is like comparing a racehorse to a cutting horse. They may both be horses, but they’re not exactly the same thing.

    BTW, you’re a twit if you don’t know the difference between “you’re” and “your”.

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