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Tedy Bruschi: Packers’ leaders should have organized workouts

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The defending Super Bowl champion Green Bay Packers’ decision not to have any player-organized workouts during the lockout has drawn the ire of one former player who knows something about successfully defending a Super Bowl title.

Tedy Bruschi, the former Patriots linebacker who won rings at Super Bowls XXXVI, XXXVIII and XXXIX, said on ESPN today that he doesn’t understand why the Packers’ leaders haven’t stepped up and called all their teammates together for a minicamp-style get-together.

“I’m surprised that a veteran like Donald Driver, a quarterback like Aaron Rodgers, that they haven’t organized any team activities yet,” Bruschi said. “Next week is the ring ceremony. It’s perfect to say, ‘Let’s meet up a couple days early, let’s get a couple workouts in, and then let’s party at the ring ceremony.'”

Bruschi made his comments after ESPN aired comments from Driver explaining why the Packers haven’t assembled for team-wide workouts.

“Everybody’s working out individually,” Driver said. “Right now we’re just enjoying the atmosphere of winning the Super Bowl because we haven’t had the opportunity to celebrate the way we want to.”

Bruschi called into question why Driver is still talking about celebrating this year’s Super Bowl, rather than talking about trying to win next year’s.

“I’m very surprised at the leadership that they have on this team, that they’re not going to get together,” Bruschi said. “Being the Super Bowl champions, you’d think they’d want to repeat. We’re into June. It’s June now. You’ve had your little celebration the week after the Super Bowl. It’s time to move on. I think that they’re still worried about celebrating and basking in the glory of being a Super Bowl champion is a little bit worrisome if I were a Green Bay Packers fan.”

Some Packers players have gotten together for workouts, including eight offensive linemen who worked out together under the leadership of Scott Wells. But at a time when some teams have had 40 or more players together at a time, the Packers don’t think that’s necessary.

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  1. flyboy123456 says: Jun 7, 2011 3:16 PM

    They’ll be fine, Teddy.

  2. clayjayhawk says: Jun 7, 2011 3:18 PM

    Everyone has advice. But nobody has ever won 13 Nfl championships before. Oh wait yes they have. Forget SIXBURG it’s all abput THIRTEENBAY!

  3. schmitty2 says: Jun 7, 2011 3:18 PM

    I love the Pack but I think Bruschi is sensing a repeat of the Saints. They celebrated for months went out and had a great season then lose a shocker to the Seahawks. I think the Pack will be fine

  4. thephantomstranger says: Jun 7, 2011 3:21 PM

    What does this guy know? The Packers are a lock to win three of the next four Super Bowls. The NFL hasn’t seen a dominant team like this since the Packers of the 1930’s. They can celebrate all year long, throw their helmets on the field whenever the season starts, and be world champions once again!

    I heard Carl Gerbschmidt was on vacation, so I thought I’d fill in for him.

  5. b7p19 says: Jun 7, 2011 3:26 PM

    Player organized workouts are overrated. As long as players are staying in shape they’ll be fine.

  6. danimalk82 says: Jun 7, 2011 3:26 PM

    For other teams with new head coaches and new systems or schemes, I agree. The Packers have nearly all of the same players and/or coaches returning and the same Super Bowl winning approach will be used next year. I believe that more improvement can be done on individually specific work outs than getting together at a high school and talking about what they have already been learning the last couple years. I’d rather keep players in their own specific training gym with top notch equipment than meeting at a high school and being limited to bench presses and squats. Criticism of the team that just won the Super Bowl makes you sound like a dumb linebacker.

  7. clayjayhawk says: Jun 7, 2011 3:27 PM

    How does he know that the Packers are not working out 2 miles below the Don Hudson center in a state of the art repleca of the Frozen Tundra. Ted could have had it built with all of the money he didn’t use on free agency the past 5 years. Meanwhile there is tunnels with trains that go directly to all of his players houses so they can practice with the full coaching staff undetected by the NFL. They did all of that to cheat when all they had to do was spy on their apponent’s practices. God the Packers are dumb.

  8. pftfollower says: Jun 7, 2011 3:28 PM

    they should have hired guys to record opponents practices and signals so they can win 2 more out of the next 3
    right teddy?

  9. greenbaypackerbacker says: Jun 7, 2011 3:30 PM

    I think Bruschi needs to shut it!!!!!!!!!!!

    He is just lucky that after the Patriot Spygate video tape BS that occured in his days of being a patriot that he didn’t lose his ring.

  10. duanethomas says: Jun 7, 2011 3:30 PM

    Let the Packers do what they think is best, I love Bruschi as a player and commentator. There is some merit to what he’s saying, just let them figure it out. They have things in place to compete for another championship and if not they will be just another team who suffers a Super Bowl hangover. (Saints)…….

  11. bjamesa says: Jun 7, 2011 3:31 PM

    The Saints have the most organized team workouts while the Packers have none.

    Jonathon Vilma said the Saints want it more than anybody else and that’s why they are doing what they’re doing and now Bruschi is jumping on the Pack for not organizing.

    So, if the Packers beat the Saints in week 1 with a lot less practice time, how bad does that destroy the confidence of the Saints?

    Remember, the last time we saw the Packers they were hoisting the Lombardi trophy. The last time we saw the Saints they were getting run over by Marshawn Lynch and the 7 win Seahawks.

    They need the extra practice.

  12. chochav says: Jun 7, 2011 3:32 PM

    In Ted we trust. Not Bruschi though! He wishes he were still playing.

  13. danimalk82 says: Jun 7, 2011 3:35 PM

    Besides he’s absolutely wrong… the Packers have “one-up”ed the rest of the league by having a players only organized GAME. Not only are they meeting together at a field that has been professionally prepared, but they even have uniforms.

    Here check out Aaron Rodgers in regular season form…

    http://www.nfl.com/videos/green-bay-packers/09000d5d8202fa2d/Packers-go-yard?module=HP_spotlight

  14. vikefan says: Jun 7, 2011 3:36 PM

    Who cares what bruschi thinks.
    *****************************************

    What does this guy know? The Packers are a lock to win three of the next four Super Bowls. The NFL hasn’t seen a dominant team like this since the Packers of the 1930′s. They can celebrate all year long, throw their helmets on the field whenever the season starts, and be world champions once again!

    I heard Carl Gerbschmidt was on vacation, so I thought I’d fill in for him.

    *****************************************
    HAHAHAHAHAHA…….thx, i needed a good laugh today

  15. shaggytoodle says: Jun 7, 2011 3:37 PM

    So its fine when Favre takes off for a few extra weeks to ride a lawnmower, when the rest of the his team was out thier busting his hump.

    While I do think it would help build team unity and may benefit them I would be just as worried about a star player tearing something, then the media would be all over the other side of the spectrum talking about how players should be more careful with thier body. That its all for nothing…

  16. stavreafavre says: Jun 7, 2011 3:37 PM

    Tedy’s still a little mad about losing in the Super Bowl to the Pack back in ’96. Packers will be getting together next month if this foolishness is still ongoing Tedy, so relax.

  17. packattack1967 says: Jun 7, 2011 3:40 PM

    e n v y

  18. qoojo says: Jun 7, 2011 3:42 PM

    I don’t see how it helps. To me, the offseason practices are for the rookies, and for the coaches to install in new things and improve/correct what was wrong. Since the rookies are limited in their participation, and no coaches are around, I don’t see the value for the vets that have been through it several years now, 2 years for the defense.

  19. Spencer says: Jun 7, 2011 3:44 PM

    It’s hard to have that fire and discipline to put the work in when you’ve just won the Super Bowl. Odds of a repeat are very long indeed, so they might as well enjoy their win now.

  20. rpiotr01 says: Jun 7, 2011 3:45 PM

    All respect to Bruschi and his multiple rings, but he doesn’t know what the Packers’ locker room is like and he doesn’t know what their leadership is like. He’s an absolute outsider looking in.

    The Packers don’t have “rah-rah” leadership like Drew Brees or Ray Lewis. What they do have is arguably the 3rd best QB in the league who has proven he can step up in big moments when needed; several playmakers on both offense and defense, surrounded by an assignment-sure group of role players; the best defensive coaching staff in the league.

    When they line up this fall, they’ll know what to do, and it’ll have nothing to do with the 4 days of unsupervised route running and sprints they didn’t do in June.

  21. mvp43 says: Jun 7, 2011 3:46 PM

    Driver catches a pass and then turns his ankle over or pulls a hammy…………….Then Ted will call the Packers out for running practices without proper medical staff.

    I’m sure the Packers will be fine.

  22. robertallen1958 says: Jun 7, 2011 3:50 PM

    oh gezzz are we living in like 1945 or what, it is very difficult to repeat in this modern NFL, ask N.O. or PITT, its because of guys like Driver who still want to bask in the glow, Mr. Driver has to know that every team in the league will be putting out their very best effort to beat the champs, every week, every game, its diffrent when your the defending champs, ask Troy or Emmit so unless they do as much or even more than the 16 other teams looking to play their super bowl every Sunday against the champs they are not the “lock” everyone thinks they are

  23. gregjennings85 says: Jun 7, 2011 3:52 PM

    Last time you saw the Packers in the Super Bowl, Tedy, we put 5 TDs on your little squad.

    Scoreboard.

    Speaking of Super Bowls, how many legitimate titles have you won, since being outed as cheaters?

    Riiiiiiiiiight.

  24. 504in860 says: Jun 7, 2011 3:52 PM

    “Super Bowl hangover.” There’s that overused phrase again.

  25. lucky13pack says: Jun 7, 2011 3:56 PM

    First, why doesn’t he mind his own business?

    I can’t wait til a guy gets badly hurt at one of these bogus workouts that are not proven to be of any help at all.

    Third, how about less workouts and more time spent at the negotiating table?

    Between court and bogus workouts the players are everywhere BUT the meeting room.

    The NFL media is just bored to tears and are resorting to negative BS to drum up content.

  26. robf2010 says: Jun 7, 2011 4:00 PM

    Why is everyone worried about this? If any team but the Packers doesn’t win the Super Bowl, they’ll have no excuses.

    If the Packers don’t win it, they’ll have a boatload of them. Hangover, didn’t work out, weren’t that great to begin with (Needed help just to get into the playoffs), rock got in their eyes and they tripped over the sun …

  27. artvandelay187 says: Jun 7, 2011 4:07 PM

    rpiotr01 says: Jun 7, 2011 3:45 PM

    All respect to Bruschi and his multiple rings, but he doesn’t know what the Packers’ locker room is like and he doesn’t know what their leadership is like. He’s an absolute outsider looking in.

    The Packers don’t have “rah-rah” leadership like Drew Brees or Ray Lewis. What they do have is arguably the 3rd best QB in the league
    ____________________________________

    I think you meant best QB in the league numbnuts.

  28. Land Snark says: Jun 7, 2011 4:07 PM

    @lucky13pack
    “First, why doesn’t he mind his own business?

    I can’t wait til a guy gets badly hurt at one of these bogus workouts that are not proven to be of any help at all.

    Third, how about less workouts and more time spent at the negotiating table?”

    1)That is his business. He’s a talking head for ESPN. He’s paid to give his opinion.

    2) What was your second? Ah, you have a point actually. Players will be liable for their own injury and rehab, and might get cut if they’re injured. Plus the value of player organized workouts is most likely going to be limited, even the *awesome* Saints workouts.

    3) Not all players are at the negotiating table or even involved in the CBA discussions/litigation. That’s what DeMo Smith and all the ambulance chasers are being paid to do.

  29. buckybadger says: Jun 7, 2011 4:07 PM

    This is just digging for a story. So if they would have organized work outs where 12 guys show up and run around a little they will be a better team? What a joke. Funny how these are so important but the players are trying to rid of them. At least stay consistent.

    Repeating as Super Bowl champs is very difficult and if the Packers don’t repeat it won’t have anything to do with these players stroking their egos over workouts they are trying to negotiate out of the off season. To suggest it will is borderline retarded.

  30. 504in860 says: Jun 7, 2011 4:09 PM

    I think you meant best QB in the league numbnuts.
    ———————————————

    4th best.

  31. gregjennings85 says: Jun 7, 2011 4:09 PM

    Also, Tedy, you may just be the worst commentator ever. Alright linebacker, but man, speaking in smooth-flowing thoughts is not your strong suit.

    Calling ROBO-linebacker. Please, give us your take:

    “When I look at the Green Bay Pack-ers, lead-ers, like Don-ald Dri-ver, Aa-ron Rod-gers, they need to step up, and say, hey, this is our team, this is our locker-room, we need to get on the field and prac-tice, in order to show what we are all about, and to show the NFL that we will be back to the mount-ain top again ver-y soon.”

    Let me guess, Tedy sounded something like that.

    Tedy, a 2nd grader speaking publicly just called, he wants the cadence of his syll-a-bles back.

  32. randolph32 says: Jun 7, 2011 4:12 PM

    Yep, when Aaron Rodgers pulls something and is out for 6 weeks, what are those ‘dis-organized’ team practices really worth….they’re F’in over rated Teddy!

  33. buckybadger says: Jun 7, 2011 4:13 PM

    Its funny a that a league that boasts one of its biggest attractions is parity but when a team doesn’t repeat it can’t because the competition is so good but rather because they had a “Super Bowl Hangover”. The Saints didn’t win because of a hangover, it was because they weren’t the best team. Injuries took away their running game and the defense wasn’t the same. Lets not talk about that however. I mean Darren Sharper of ’10 played just like the Sharper of ’09.

  34. 504in860 says: Jun 7, 2011 4:15 PM

    Yep, when Aaron Rodgers pulls something and is out for 6 weeks, what are those ‘dis-organized’ team practices really worth….they’re F’in over rated Teddy!
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    True, but that can also happen in training camp…so what’s the difference?

  35. schmitty2 says: Jun 7, 2011 4:20 PM

    thephantomstranger says:
    Jun 7, 2011 3:21 PM
    What does this guy know? The Packers are a lock to win three of the next four Super Bowls. The NFL hasn’t seen a dominant team like this since the Packers of the 1930′s. They can celebrate all year long, throw their helmets on the field whenever the season starts, and be world champions once again!

    I heard Carl Gerbschmidt was on vacation, so I thought I’d fill in for him

    They are good but let’s not get carried away dude

  36. hystoracle says: Jun 7, 2011 4:34 PM

    Bruschi lost all credibility when he said Derrick Brooks doesn’t belong in the Hall of Fame.

    Maybe he has a workout checklist like PFT of the teams and wants to check Green Bay off his list.

  37. lacharger2112 says: Jun 7, 2011 4:55 PM

    I bet Teddy would be working out on his own if he had to deal with a work stoppage. Getting together without a coaching staff is just play time.
    I’m sure A-Rod will have no trouble getting his timing down with Jennings without going to a high school and tossing a few passes. They were practicing the first week in February when the Saints were on vacation.
    Aaron isn’t the one named at the top of the lawsuit but Brees (the #4 QB in the league thank you) is and he may need to play with his buddies when he can because he has to represent all the players and may not be available later.
    Let’s just see how well these teams that are having their player run activities perform this year. Heck, if the season starts late I think the Packers may have made the better decision.
    Just maybe they will get together after the ring ceremony instead of a few days before Teddy. What’s the difference? Now go study so you look smarter next year on tv. Or do you just use a cheat sheet on game day?

  38. thephantomstranger says: Jun 7, 2011 5:11 PM

    504in860 says:
    Jun 7, 2011 4:09 PM
    I think you meant best QB in the league numbnuts.
    ———————————————

    4th best.
    _________________

    Let’s see…Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Christian Ponder…yep, 4th is about right.

  39. thephantomstranger says: Jun 7, 2011 5:13 PM

    Can I suggest that the commenters supporting the Packers would be saying exactly the opposite thing if the Packers were doing Saints-style workouts and Bruschi were saying they’re taking too big of a risk of getting hurt?

    Nah, that’s crazy.

  40. alpine75 says: Jun 7, 2011 5:14 PM

    1) Last time I checked all the players are locked out for every team. Any of these “workouts” won’t be all that official and I can’t imagine all the players would show up anyway. Just hot effective are these “workouts” going to be other then make fans happy for a few days?

    2) This time of year you’ve had maybe a few mini camps and not all the veterans go to those anyway.

    3) Singling out the Packers is a joke. It’s not even July yet. This discussion just reeks of ESPN over-coverage of the NFL. What else are they going to talk about since there is nothing else to talk about?

    4) I’d be more worried if I was a fan of a young team like the Lions. The longer this lockout goes the greater the chances they will not have a winning season. They really need the preparation an off season provides.

  41. rpiotr01 says: Jun 7, 2011 5:18 PM

    “True, but that can also happen in training camp…so what’s the difference?”

    In a training camp occurring under league rules, players are insured against injury. If someone gets seriously hurt at one of these player organized things he’s SOL. I haven’t priced surgery to repair and rehab an MCL recently, but I don’t imagine it’s something that players want to pay for out of pocket.

    And then there are the smaller things, such as TCs take place on professionally maintained fields and facilities, under the guidance of professional coaching and medical staffs. Structured program, less chance for injury.

    So no difference to the team – player misses time either way. But big difference to the player’s wallet.

  42. animals1977 says: Jun 7, 2011 5:44 PM

    Just checking to see if this gets deleted, LOL.

  43. danimalk82 says: Jun 7, 2011 5:44 PM

    “504in860 says: Jun 7, 2011 4:15 PM

    True, but that can also happen in training camp…so what’s the difference?”

    The difference is players risk getting screwed out of tons of money if they get injured, and there are no coaches. The risk (injury) is not worth the reward (comradery) if you ask me. The players are individually getting better, they wouldn’t have been drafted by TT if they needed to be motivated to get better in the offseason.

  44. danimalk82 says: Jun 7, 2011 5:55 PM

    “thephantomstranger says: Jun 7, 2011 5:13 PM

    Can I suggest that the commenters supporting the Packers would be saying exactly the opposite thing if the Packers were doing Saints-style workouts and Bruschi were saying they’re taking too big of a risk of getting hurt?

    Nah, that’s crazy.”

    I guess we’ll never know. I guess my main thing is that I think it’s funny when people criticize the team that just won the Super Bowl. They obviously know what it takes to win. I could understand him talking about what the Vikings are doing wrong, because they are the worst team in the NFC North. The Vikings do a lot of stuff wrong so his chances of being right would be pretty good.

  45. 504in860 says: Jun 7, 2011 6:03 PM

    I think you’re underrating the value of team comradery.

  46. stairwayto7 says: Jun 7, 2011 6:13 PM

    Rodgers was protesting at a cancer center!

  47. kevishu says: Jun 7, 2011 6:14 PM

    Geez, people! I’m as big a Packer fan as anybody, having grown up right in the heart of Green Bay. But as a Packer fan, this doesn’t mean we can be complacent about the future. Yes, the Packers won the Superbowl, and they’ve got an outstanding team, but the reality is, good players are NOTHING if they don’t develop the rhythm and conditioning necessary to play the sport year after year. The point Bruschi is making is a very valid one! Get out there and start unifying into a team for the next season. Contrary to what many of you posters think, Superbowl XLVI is NOT automatic for the Packers. As much as I’d like to think it is, I’m just not that delusional. Seriously people, as a big Packer fan, I’m almost embarrassed to admit I’m a Packer fan after reading some of these posts.

  48. bjamesa says: Jun 7, 2011 6:27 PM

    @504in860: “I think you’re underrating the value of team comradery.”

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    They will garner more comradery in an hour long ring presentation a couple weeks from now than the Saints have built in the last month of disorganized team activities.

    Can’t wait for week one.

  49. Wisconsin77 says: Jun 7, 2011 6:30 PM

    I am more disappointed in Driver than I am Rodgers. Driver knows better and is the real leader of the team.

  50. stevefromyellowstone says: Jun 7, 2011 6:46 PM

    Packer fans:
    Staying consistently hypocritical since 1921.
    Favre gets crucified for skipping workouts and TC, yet the Packers get a free pass. Pathetic.

  51. childressrulz says: Jun 7, 2011 7:04 PM

    Practice is for people who need it. It is not for these Packers they don’t need to practice probably at all. Watch what happens on the first week of the season when they smoke the Aints.

  52. flipadelphia says: Jun 7, 2011 7:09 PM

    Note to Packer fans,

    Stop combining pre-1966 NFL championships with Superbowls. Nobody does that. They’re not the same.

    Sincerely,

    The NFL Championship winning Browns and Lions.

  53. 504in860 says: Jun 7, 2011 7:11 PM

    They will garner more comradery in an hour long ring presentation a couple weeks from now than the Saints have built in the last month of disorganized team activities.

    Can’t wait for week one.
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    Sure, and if the Packers were holding the same types of workouts, then would you call them “disorganized”? I don’t think so.

    I can’t wait for week one either, especially after the Saints march into Green Bay and beat the Packers…making Sean Payton 3-0 vs Mike McCarthy.

  54. duffer58 says: Jun 7, 2011 7:12 PM

    Teddy please shut up. Nobody cares what you think.

  55. supersuckers3 says: Jun 7, 2011 7:14 PM

    Bruschi os a little bit out of the loop. Getting guys together for non-structured workouts is pointless and a waste of time. Not only is it a risk of bad habits developing but none of these guys have coaching experience. Bruschi of all people should realize how structured and disciplined a NFL OTA or practice is. This Packer team does. One player even publicly stated that the teams that are having them have stated to that player that they “are a joke” Quite frankly I can about guarantee McCarthy DOES NOT want these guys doing anything more then their individual workouts. Structure is the key. Developing from within relies heavily on great structure and discipline. These get togethers are anything but. Only a recipe for disaster.

  56. duanethomas says: Jun 7, 2011 7:31 PM

    @gregjennings85…..LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  57. goombar2 says: Jun 7, 2011 7:43 PM

    I have a lot of respect for Ted Bruschi. He was a classy player, a good representative of his team and even came back after a stroke, and last but not least was a heck of a hard nosed football player.

    The dude definitely knows what it takes to be a champion, that’s not in doubt. But in his analysis I think he forgets that championships aren’t won in July. They aren’t won in August either.

    It’s not like the Packer players are having cheeto eating contests followed by who can sleep the longest. And they aren’t sitting around having a contest to see how much weight they can put on.

    Right now the majority of players are working out doing conditioning. The football stuff will come when football stuff gets sorted out. No championship will be won until Feb…

  58. goombar2 says: Jun 7, 2011 7:50 PM

    stevefromyellowstone says: Jun 7, 2011 6:46 PM

    Packer fans:
    Staying consistently hypocritical since 1921.
    Favre gets crucified for skipping workouts and TC, yet the Packers get a free pass. Pathetic.
    —————————————————————–

    You think team organized practice is the same as a disorganized get together? Must be a purple koolaid drinker… Good luck with Leslie and Christian pal.

    —————————————————————

    Note to Packer fans,

    Stop combining pre-1966 NFL championships with Superbowls. Nobody does that. They’re not the same.

    Sincerely,

    The NFL Championship winning Browns and Lions.

    —————————————————————

    Ah, yes they do… That’s why they keep the books. Comments like this are just rooted in jealousy. Really sad.

  59. bjamesa says: Jun 7, 2011 8:01 PM

    @ 504in860:

    Sure, and if the Packers were holding the same types of workouts, then would you call them “disorganized”? I don’t think so.

    I can’t wait for week one either, especially after the Saints march into Green Bay and beat the Packers…making Sean Payton 3-0 vs Mike McCarthy.
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    Well, the Packers AREN’T holding these types of workouts so I will continue to call them disorganized. Especially since players aren’t coaches and can’t prepare a team the same way coaches can. All these workouts could possibly do is build camaraderie, but the Super Bowl champs have that already. If you don’t think Rodgers can step out on a field and throw a slant between the 8 and the 5 to Jennings right now, you’re crazy.

    Oh, and POA’s don’t help defenses at all, especially defenses with veterans like Green Bay has. Defense is about 11 single players holding down their responsibility to form one group effort. It’s like a synchronized swim. Again, our vets know their responsibilities.

    Bottom line is that the Saints are coming to Green Bay like pigs to the slaughter. How do you prepare for a squad that is returning so many players to an already successful team? How do you prepare for Finley? How do you prepare for a backfield featuring Starks and Grant that nobody has ever played against? Hopefully the same way they prepared for Marshawn Lynch.

    It is going to be extra embarrassing when the Saints tout how prepared they are for 5 months and still get beat on opening night. You know that is all the talking heads are going to be spouting off about in the week leading up to the game and the Saints won’t be able to live up to it…

  60. locutus says: Jun 7, 2011 8:15 PM

    Whew, thank goodness there finally was a post about the Pu kers so many of the losers here don’t have to constantly come over to the Vikings threads and show their green with envy jealousy. lol

  61. locutus says: Jun 7, 2011 8:19 PM

    goombar2 says: Jun 7, 2011 7:50 PM

    Note to Packer fans,

    Stop combining pre-1966 NFL championships with Superbowls. Nobody does that. They’re not the same.

    Sincerely,

    The NFL Championship winning Browns and Lions.

    —————————————————————

    Ah, yes they do… That’s why they keep the books. Comments like this are just rooted in jealousy. Really sad.

    Lmao! Yeah, sure they do. That’s why you hear it so often with the Browns and Lions. What was the designation back then, Super Bowl minus XXV? Lol

    Ain’t so hard to rack up championships with only like 2 teams in the league, genius. Ask the Leafs and Habs when they were the sh*t of the Original Six for like 40 years.

  62. 504in860 says: Jun 7, 2011 8:38 PM

    They’ll prepare just like they did before they dropped 52 on Green Bay the last time they played.

  63. goombar2 says: Jun 7, 2011 8:43 PM

    Ahhh… How cute, the viking fans coming to the Packer threads to complain about Packer fans posting in their threads. Grow up dude, there’s no rule here saying only fans of the team can post.

    And you know what, I won’t stop fans of any team or viking fans from bragging about all their championships… Oh, now I see why vike fans get all angry… You guys are so sad and pathetic. Really…

  64. 504in860 says: Jun 7, 2011 8:53 PM

    Especially since players aren’t coaches and can’t prepare a team the same way coaches can.
    ————————————————-

    Your OWN head coach said there’s value in player organized workouts. Just saying.

  65. locutus says: Jun 7, 2011 9:22 PM

    Ahhhh…how cute too…scratch that, not really. You’re just a loser. As for…there’s no rule here saying only fans of the team can post. Gee, you think, there genius? Lol

    The problem is not others posting on various team sites, as other fans do it to Viking threads all the time. The problem is your hypocrisy (living in Mn and then complaining like a c**t about it), your creepy obsession (never fail to comment on EVERY SINGLY Viking thread), and your stupidity (thinking that Viking fans give a sh*t about Green Bay).

    Hope that helps in some small way, Goobar (sic).

  66. goombar2 says: Jun 7, 2011 10:06 PM

    You’re paraphrasing what McCarthy said… He never said he was for them. He was asked if they were good or not and he thought they could be good. Big difference.

    Go through the Jared Allen threads… I don’t think I put anything down in those. So I don’t post in “EVERY” viking thread, just ones I find interesting or affect me. I post in many threads that have nothing to do with the vikings or Packers. You just can’t fight my well thought out opinions backed by facts. That’s sour grapes. That’s why you guys claim you don’t believe in posting in other teams threads, but are the biggest fans of doing that. I personally don’t care, I like smart assessments even if they don’t agree with my opinion. But I can’t say I see that much from the fans of purple.

    Where’s the hypocrisy? Because I live here doesn’t make me a viking fan… Heck, as far as I can tell, owning the vikings doesn’t make one a fan of them… Ziggy is a Giants fan. I like Minnesota; I like many of the people and the landscape is beautiful. It’s not a utopia, but it’s a nice place.

    I’ve never wished the people of this state ill will or said anything bad about them in a general sense. You vike fans think you’re a majority, but in reality, you’re about 21% of the population. It’s just you’re so loud and ignorant and empty headed you tend to think there’s lots of you because of the echo between your ears.

  67. 504in860 says: Jun 7, 2011 11:17 PM

    Big difference? How about no difference! You’re so dellusional, it’s sad.

  68. wewantchillywilly says: Jun 8, 2011 12:08 AM

    could you imagine if the vikings won the superbowl? I think it would be a 5 year long celebration before they decided to try winning again. repeat? f*** that. it took 50 years to get this!

  69. wewantchillywilly says: Jun 8, 2011 12:14 AM

    I still say Tedy Bruschi has one of the all time coolest names in sports history.

  70. tangysizzl says: Jun 8, 2011 12:19 AM

    Boom, roasted.

    The one comment I found to be completely off base was the consistantly hypocritical since 1921.
    Were you around in 1921 to see that hypocrisy for yourself or are you just projecting what you think you see now to then.

    Better to be consistantly hypocritical then be a consistant loser I guess.

  71. bjamesa says: Jun 8, 2011 12:48 AM

    As for the World Championships vs Super Bowls argument, why don’t you do a little research? Super Bowl I wasn’t called the Super Bowl. Look at the ticket, here:

    As a matter of fact, why don’t you look at the 2nd ticket, too:

    The term “Super Bowl” wasn’t adopted until SBIII. So if we want to be technical, the Packers are 2x Super Bowl Champs and 11x World Champions… still 13 and still more than your favorite team.

    And to the joker who claimed McCarthy said player workouts were beneficial, he said the same thing I did. They can help with camaraderie, not so much with scheme, running plays, and strength and conditioning.

  72. thephantomstranger says: Jun 8, 2011 9:58 AM

    kevishu says:
    Jun 7, 2011 6:14 PM
    Geez, people! I’m as big a Packer fan as anybody, having grown up right in the heart of Green Bay. But as a Packer fan, this doesn’t mean we can be complacent about the future. Yes, the Packers won the Superbowl, and they’ve got an outstanding team, but the reality is, good players are NOTHING if they don’t develop the rhythm and conditioning necessary to play the sport year after year. The point Bruschi is making is a very valid one! Get out there and start unifying into a team for the next season. Contrary to what many of you posters think, Superbowl XLVI is NOT automatic for the Packers. As much as I’d like to think it is, I’m just not that delusional. Seriously people, as a big Packer fan, I’m almost embarrassed to admit I’m a Packer fan after reading some of these posts.
    __________________

    Either get on board or get out. WE DON’T NEED YOU!!!

  73. bjamesa says: Jun 8, 2011 10:23 AM

    504in860 says:
    Jun 7, 2011 4:15 PM
    Yep, when Aaron Rodgers pulls something and is out for 6 weeks, what are those ‘dis-organized’ team practices really worth….they’re F’in over rated Teddy!
    ——————————————–

    True, but that can also happen in training camp…so what’s the difference?

    ——————————————–
    The difference is that in camp they have trainers and a medical staff to heal them and restrict them. You realize the players are uninsured right now, right? Any injury they sustain is on them. It would be stupid for them to risk injury right now.

    I think once the first week of July rolls around, if they NFL and NFLPA* are closer to an agreement, you start gathering together. Right now, I want my players to be resting and recovering.

  74. locutus says: Jun 8, 2011 11:43 AM

    goombar2 says:
    Jun 7, 2011 10:06 PM

    Attempt to rationalize all you want, yet the evidence is there for all to see, especially Viking fans that read the threads about, yep you guessed it, the Vikings. This is the first time I’ve ever commented on another teams thread, especially the Pack, because I don’t care AT ALL about other teams. I’ve only done it now to prove a point, which you are unwilling or incapable of understanding.

    Your venomous comments are not well thought out. They are simply bitter and mean spirited. You are not constructive nor are you doing it for any other reason aside from wanting to be a jerk. Other fans from other teams, including Lions and Bears, comment and don’t have to say “nice” things but are civil. As well, they are usually drive by commenters and not someone that does it all the time. Wow, you didn’t comment on Jared Allen’s thread, big deal. You did on a million other ones.

    There are Packer fans that comment and either are humorous in their quips and jabs about the Vikings or are constructive. You are neither and same goes for Gerbil. So I am calling you out on it because that is my right. You don’t see me doing it to anyone else, do you?

    And yes, I have seen you attack Minnesotans, in general. You praise Wisconsin. Go back.

  75. supersuckers3 says: Jun 8, 2011 11:44 AM

    504in860 says:
    Jun 7, 2011 8:53 PM
    Especially since players aren’t coaches and can’t prepare a team the same way coaches can.
    ————————————————-

    Your OWN head coach said there’s value in player organized workouts. Just saying.
    ————

    No he did not. You are putting words into his mouth. Re-read the interview.

  76. goombar2 says: Jun 8, 2011 5:26 PM

    Attempt to rationalize? You can’t even stay on topic… All my posts on on topic. You sound like you’re on meds because your so full of nonsense. I proved I don’t post on all viking threads. Next you go on some tirade about… Well here are your own words…

    locutus says:
    “Your venomous comments are not well thought out. They are simply bitter and mean spirited. You are not constructive nor are you doing it for any other reason aside from wanting to be a jerk. Other fans from other teams, including Lions and Bears, comment and don’t have to say “nice” things but are civil.”

    Hmmm… And what do you post?

    locutus says:
    “The problem is your hypocrisy (living in Mn and then complaining like a c**t about it)”

    and…

    “Ask the Leafs and Habs when they were the sh*t of the Original Six for like 40 years.”

    All this because the Packers have 13 championships and our proud of the fact. That’s what ticks you off so much.

    You’re such a petty potty mouth little snot that if you took all your swear words away you’d be down to grunts… And you have the gall to complain about civility? And your rights? Your potty mouth rights… And talk about hypocrisy… You’re one of the biggest!

    Your argument is you don’t think anybody but fans of a particular team should be allowed to comment in others threads, but if they do, they should be civil… But you don’t follow your OWN supposed rules in a thread you’re making the complaint in where you want the right to degrade a teams championships! While calling everyone hypocrites!

    Living up to what they say about viking fans… The worst in the league! And dumbest too!

  77. stevefromyellowstone says: Jun 8, 2011 7:37 PM

    Goombar, you’ve been called out more than once for being a jerk on this site. After a certain amount of occurences, don’t you have to figure its you and not everyone else?
    Of course, you won’t own up to it. There is a reason that the rest of the nfls fans hates packer fans.

  78. axespray says: Jun 8, 2011 7:49 PM

    “Bruschi made his comments after ESPN aired comments from Driver ….”

    You mean after ESPN’s host talked with Driver on the phone, then after they hung up, Golic and Bruschi went on to rip on him. Too cowardly to do it when he was on the phone.

  79. axespray says: Jun 8, 2011 8:02 PM

    robf2010 says:
    Jun 7, 2011 4:00 PM
    “If the Packers don’t win it, they’ll have a boatload of them. Hangover, didn’t work out, weren’t that great to begin with (Needed help just to get into the playoffs), rock got in their eyes and they tripped over the sun …”

    ^ lol @ this guy saying Packer fans need excuses, yet he goes on to make an excuse for why we were in the playoffs(all the while completely discrediting the 08 viking’s division title).

    A guy from the Land of 10,000 excuses calling out Packer fans = smh.

  80. axespray says: Jun 8, 2011 8:05 PM

    stevefromyellowstone says:
    Jun 8, 2011 7:37 PM
    “Of course, you won’t own up to it. There is a reason that the rest of the nfls fans hates packer fans.”

    ^ I love how viking fans troll it up in here and start stuff, then call a Packer Fan a jerk for responded. All the while the viking fans are more willing to financially support a shock jock radio show instead of their own team.

  81. goombar2 says: Jun 8, 2011 8:24 PM

    Actually Packer fans get along with many other NFL fans… There’s very little animosity with Giants fans. If you paid attention before the Super Bowl, there was little trash talking between Steeler fans and Packer fans. And there is nothing but excitement and respect for our upcoming showdown with New Orleans pitting the last 2 SB champs.

    As far as what a “few” viking fans (even here in Minnesota they only make up less than 20% of the population) whine about is just plain funny.

    If you guys aren’t whining about me, you’re whining about refs, and then you whine about New Orleans, and then you whine about Childress, then you whine about the coverage your team gets… Then you whine and complain about Minnesota! Why won’t they just build us a stadium!

    Truly, if their were a championship of whining and blaming, the viking fans would have to use the MetroDump to hold their trophies.

    I honestly can’t recall ever being a jerk… I’ve certainly joked about some horrible things with the vikings. All I get is the hate because I tell the truth. And if there is one thing vike fans can’t stand it’s the truth.

    That’s why you guys want to claim the Pack haven’t won 13 championships. Because it makes your favorite team look inept. Heck, you guys have tried to claim we weren’t the best team last year, and if Shinko made a catch magically the vikes would have stopped the Packers from winning the Super Bowl.

    But I’m a “jerk” for mocking that… Right. Only in the minds of viking fans.

  82. phantomthebusybody says: Jun 9, 2011 9:51 AM

    thephantomstranger says:
    Jun 7, 2011 5:11 PM

    Let’s see…Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Christian Ponder…yep, 4th is about right.
    _______

    Ponder isn’t even the rth best QB on his own team…

  83. thephantomstranger says: Jun 9, 2011 12:04 PM

    wewantchillywilly says:
    Jun 8, 2011 12:08 AM
    could you imagine if the vikings won the superbowl?
    ______________

    No. No, I can’t.

  84. thephantomstranger says: Jun 9, 2011 12:06 PM

    goombar2 says:
    Jun 8, 2011 8:24 PM
    I honestly can’t recall ever being a jerk…
    _________________

    Let’s all just let that sink in for a moment.

  85. thephantomstranger says: Jun 9, 2011 12:08 PM

    goombar2 says:
    Jun 8, 2011 8:24 PM
    I’ve certainly joked about some horrible things with the vikings. All I get is the hate because I tell the truth. And if there is one thing vike fans can’t stand it’s the truth.
    ______________

    You’re in good company:

    “The truth hurts. People don’t like the truth because the truth hurts. I keep it real.”

    – Randy Moss

  86. locutus says: Jun 9, 2011 1:11 PM

    Let me repeat:

    Attempt to rationalize all you want, yet the evidence is there for all to see, especially Viking fans that read the threads about, yep you guessed it, the Vikings. This is the first time I’ve ever commented on another teams thread, especially the Pack, because I don’t care AT ALL about other teams. I’ve only done it now to prove a point, which you are unwilling or incapable of understanding.

    As well, I am civil. I am just uncivil to YOU and others that behave like you. Get it? You are the lightning rod, genius.

  87. locutus says: Jun 9, 2011 1:15 PM

    That’s why you guys want to claim the Pack haven’t won 13 championships.

    No one is claiming that, except you. The claim was that there is a difference between the historical championships and the modern day Super Bowls. Bears fans do not go on about their “nine” championships. They go on about their one Super Bowl in 1985 with one of the best defenses.

  88. goombar2 says: Jun 9, 2011 1:17 PM

    Randy Moss is slightly less than honest… No wonder he’s been a viking twice…

  89. locutus says: Jun 9, 2011 1:20 PM

    Not to mention, you gloat about “13” championships, yet ignore the Vikings one in 1969. Can’t have it both ways, unless one is a Pack fan.

  90. goombar2 says: Jun 9, 2011 10:16 PM

    The vikings won a championship in 1969? Hmmm… I thought the Jets won that year? That would have been Super Bowl 3 and they weren’t even in that game…

    Oh, I get it… You’re talking about 1970 aren’t you? The vikes ducked into a Super Bowl (one of 4 times they didn’t need a ticket, but shouldn’t have shown)…

    The vikes played KC and got THUMPED 7-23. It wasn’t even close. Is that what you wanna celebrate? Really?

    Cause for the life of me, I’d find that embarrassing and that’s your claim to fame… An embarrassing 7-23 beating… I hope you aren’t planning on being a spokesperson when you grow up.

    I dunno who told you the vikes were champions, but you should have been smarter than that.

  91. packerbacker12 says: Jun 9, 2011 10:49 PM

    “Not to mention, you gloat about “13″ championships, yet ignore the Vikings one in 1969. Can’t have it both ways, unless one is a Pack fan.”

    oh boy one championship really makes a big difference….

  92. locutus says: Jun 10, 2011 7:45 AM

    The vikings won a championship in 1969?

    Yep, the same one that you count in one of your “13”. Or are we not counting those any more? Just let me know which side of the fence you want to be on today.

  93. thephantomstranger says: Jun 10, 2011 11:53 AM

    Give it up, locutus. Like it or not, the NFL championship in 1969 does not count because they lost the Super Bowl. NFL championships count in the pre-Super Bowl era but not in the Super Bowl era. You can say they won an NFL championship, but you can’t say they were champions because it was equivalent to an NFC championship. Just embrace the fact that the Vikings will never win the Super Bowl, but we love them anyway!

  94. goombar2 says: Jun 10, 2011 12:15 PM

    No, I count the ’67 Super Bowl where we thumped the same team that had their way with your men in purple – 35-10. And the next years ’68 Super Bowl where we beat the Raiders 33-14.

    See, the difference? The Pack won out, including the big game. The vikes got destroyed and humiliated and shown for the paper champions they were (are).

    Can’t put an asterisk on that!

  95. nickynick04 says: Jun 10, 2011 12:18 PM

    Practices without coaches present to critique, are only a venue to develop bad habits.

  96. locutus says: Jun 10, 2011 12:37 PM

    I know Phantom, as does every other normal person. I just enjoy showing Goobar for the idiot that he is. Even his response after yours shows his idiocy and lack of decency. Pack fans like him tie their self worth to a team that they have no control over. Indicates the lack of a life they are living and why they can’t understand that:

    1) We like our Vikings no matter what
    2) We don’t care about other teams or how many championships. It has nothing to do with sour grapes
    3) We are complacent in our lives and do not need a Viking championship to affirm our worth. We’re just happy people like that.

    That is why you don’t see Viking fans roaming other sites to trash talk. At least not very many. Can’t be said about you know who.

    Oh, and to Goobar, a team 3 years apart is not the same team even if it has all the same players. Or do you have trouble with a “complex” concept like that?

  97. westcoastpackerfan says: Jun 11, 2011 1:45 AM

    Of course, Aaron Rodgers is smarter than Tedy Bruschi when it comes to his own team and stated on FSN Wisconsin the other night after throwing out the first pitch at a Brewers game that he would organize team workouts in the near future if no deal is done.

    After winning a Super Bowl players have a lot of media/charity and other obligations and it is not that plain and simple to say workouts should have been organized by now. If you follow Packer players on Twitter all of them have been working out getting right on their own time and will get together for some team workouts before the deal is in place and the training camp/preseason can start.

    Most commentary I have heard regarding team workouts involves camaraderie. The Packers are a young, close knit team that doesn’t have problems in that area. Obviously some of the rookies need to be acclimated to life in the NFL, but that is the same for all teams.

    Finally, it is not like Bruschi knows anything about labor struggles. He was a player in the Tagliabue/Upshaw era of player friendly contracts and benefits. This generation of players is fighting for their own rights as well as the rights of players past and future. Shut the Hell up Tedy.

  98. goombar2 says: Jun 11, 2011 9:19 PM

    locutus says: Jun 10, 2011 12:37 PM

    1) We like our Vikings no matter what

    Yes, they seem to represent all of your beliefs quite nicely…

    2) We don’t care about other teams or how many championships. It has nothing to do with sour grapes

    Then why do you take such offense when we mention how many championships we have? Why do you try to retort with a nonexistant championship… If it doesn’t matter?

    3) We are complacent in our lives and do not need a Viking championship to affirm our worth. We’re just happy people like that.

    Complacent? Really, is that why i get such harrassment from you and your ilk when I question why I have to have my money stolen from me so your team “can make ends meet” or in other words get a bigger welfare check?

    Seems to me you vike fans are too complacent, you won’t even put up your own money in PSLs to pay for a new stadium.

    Do you guys even remember what the original thread was? Probably not, you guys get so crazy with envy you can’t see straight! I’m sorry, complacent with envy… What a bunch of tools!

    Hey, boondoggle watch! Ziggy is planning on building a memorial… I mean museum of the vikings history. Talk about a waste of money, who would go to look at wasted seasons and empty trophy cases… Especially since you vike fans don’t care about winning.

  99. locutus says: Jun 12, 2011 8:27 AM

    1) As Mark Chmura does yours…

    2) You interject your championships many times where that is not the topic. It has nothing to do with anything aside from taking offense to your interloper behavior…and apparently your denseness where you cannot understand such simple things.

    3) It is not that we do not want the Vikings to win a championship. It is that we do not put our self worth on it. See the difference, genius?

    No one is envious of Green Bay. Get that through your cheese filled head. That is why you loons go berserk because you want everyone to bow down and show respect and acknowledge the great Pack. We don’t give a sh*t about you or your team and it has NOTHING to do with envy. You can’t stand that to be true so you label it as envy.

  100. mike32303 says: Jun 12, 2011 3:52 PM

    WOW so the packers are a lock to win 3 superbowls and tedy bruschi has no idea what hes talking about apparently lol.. And yes the packers scored 5 tds on bruschi in 1996 lmfao 15 years ago.. Since then Bruschi has won 3 superbowls and you idiotic packer fans boo brett favre brought you that superbowl and everything you are today.. Hey guys guess what the season is over and trust me no one is a lock to win 3 titles.. no one wants to hear what you ugly people up in Green Bay, Wisconsin have to say.. Go back to your dull lives in that boring town and hope there’s football next season because that’s really all you have to get excited about besides a new kind of cheese being made

  101. goombar2 says: Jun 13, 2011 1:24 PM

    Look at locutus rage! Ha ha ha… You don’t even know what the thread is about, you’re just so angry and jealous!

    Your “self worth”! Ha ha ha! I can’t imagine why you get so angry when I ask why you wont pony up for a new stadium for Ziggy when you guys have so much “self worth” Ha ha ha! Hey, I may not have much, but what I ain’t got I gots in “self worth”!

    Sounds like you might have an addiction to porn the way you talk about all your “self worth”… Ha ha ha!

  102. carlgerbschmidt says: Jun 13, 2011 2:02 PM

    locutus says:
    Jun 8, 2011 11:43 AM

    There are Packer fans that comment and either are humorous in their quips and jabs about the Vikings or are constructive. You are neither and same goes for Gerbil. So I am calling you out on it because that is my right. You don’t see me doing it to anyone else, do you?

    ______________

    So, let me get this straight, you use “*” so you can get swear words in your posts and call people rodent names, and we’re NOT being CONSTRUCTIVE. You’re an idiot with severe anger issues. Are you sure you’re not dazdillinger?

  103. carlgerbschmidt says: Jun 13, 2011 3:04 PM

    thephantomstranger says:
    Jun 7, 2011 3:21 PM

    I heard Carl Gerbschmidt was on vacation, so I thought I’d fill in for him.

    ________

    Are you Barreiro? How did you know I was on vacation? Are you stalking me or something?

  104. gregjennings85 says: Jun 13, 2011 3:17 PM

    Championship = winning it all.

    Championship = world champs.

    Packers have won 13 World Championships.

    Vikings lost in 1969 in the World Championship*.

    * – They always find a way to lose.

  105. thephantomstranger says: Jun 13, 2011 3:39 PM

    carlgerbschmidt says:
    Jun 13, 2011 3:04 PM
    thephantomstranger says:

    Jun 7, 2011 3:21 PM

    I heard Carl Gerbschmidt was on vacation, so I thought I’d fill in for him.

    ________

    Are you Barreiro? How did you know I was on vacation? Are you stalking me or something?
    _______________

    My movements are cloaked in mystery. Yours are not.

  106. locutus says: Jun 13, 2011 5:07 PM

    I’ll let the comments of Goobar and Gerbil stand on their own without any serious comment. For you two tards to infer “anger” and “rage” from my comments is a window into your true feelings. It is referred to as “projection”. Maybe you two simpletons need a break if you cannot handle criticism of your vitriolic commenting.

    When I post comments about you two, it is with glee due to the thought it will cause blown gaskets on your end. Apparently I was correct in my thinking. Lol

  107. goombar2 says: Jun 13, 2011 5:13 PM

    I guess we can add “creepy” to the list of adjectives you can use to describe viking fans…

  108. locutus says: Jun 13, 2011 6:33 PM

    Yeah, maybe instead of being an obnoxious, self-centered jerk loser, you should look to expand your own vocabulary? Lol

    locutus says: Jun 7, 2011 9:22 PM

    your creepy obsession

  109. carlgerbschmidt says: Jun 13, 2011 7:05 PM

    locutus says:Jun 13, 2011 5:07 PM

    I’ll let the comments of Goobar and Gerbil stand on their own without any serious comment. For you two tards to infer “anger” and “rage” from my comments is a window into your true feelings.

    __________

    “Tards?” Seriously? Are you on Summer vacation already? Is that why you have so much time to post on pft?

  110. The Prophet says: Jun 14, 2011 12:31 PM

    That’s one thing you can’t take away from the Patriots. They NEVER stopped to pat themselves on the back. I’m sure it wasn’t as fun as it could’ve been in their 3 SB reigns for the actual players, but implementing the attitude of making the team feel like underdogs all the time and never resting on your laurels is what made the Patriots so strong for the past 10 years under Belichek

  111. goombar2 says: Jun 14, 2011 1:15 PM

    For you two tards to infer “anger” and “rage” from my comments is a window into your true feelings.

    Yeah, using derogatory vulgar terms associated with mentally challenged in order to try to look cool… Nah, anger isn’t clouding your judgement. Next you’ll start spewing out the “n” word to make your thesis more clear.

  112. goombar2 says: Jun 14, 2011 4:59 PM

    Didn’t the Pats have a losing record after winning their 1st SB? Hmmm…

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