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Holliday thinks Redskins should have fined Haynesworth for rules violations

Albert Haynesworth, Vonnie Holliday AP

Redskins defensive coordinator Jim Haslett recently explained the problems presented by defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth.

“He can do almost anything he wants,” Haslett told 101 ESPN radio in St. Louis.  “He doesn’t want to do anything.  To me that’s the issue.  He’s one of those guys you walk in a meeting and you tell him, ‘Put down the phone.’  The next day you have to tell him to put down the phone.  The next day, you tell him to put down the phone.

“You tell him, ‘Don’t read the newspaper in meetings.’  The next day you have to tell him the same thing.  It doesn’t stick; it’s an every-day thing.”

In a Monday appearance on The LaVar Arrington Show with Chad Dukes on 106.7 The Fan in D.C., Redskins defensive end Vonnie Holliday agreed with Haslett’s remarks.  But Holliday also said that the coaching staff didn’t handle the situation properly

“Short of getting into a fight with Big Al, you can’t tell him what to do,” Holliday said, via NFL.com.  “As frank as Coach Haslett was on the radio station about what transpired throughout the course of last year with Albert I thought there was a missed opportunity there for coaches.

“Maybe this is something that was just instilled in me early in my career — you just don’t take your phone to a meeting.  If a phone rings in a meeting it is an issue.  It is a problem.  You are going to get cursed out, fussed out and fined.  Any number of things are going to happen to you by your coach.  I’m terrified.

“These younger guys it is not the same.  It’s not looked at as the same.  Unfortunately Albert … some of the stuff that Coach Haslett is talking about, having a phone in the meeting, it was just not addressed.  Coming up, you’re telling a guy, ‘Hey don’t bring your phone to a meeting.  You can’t do that.’  I mean, the way we get through to these guys is to fine them and that just never happened throughout the year.”

Eventually, the Redskins suspended Haynesworth four games without pay for conduct detrimental to the team.  If the Redskins keep him around in 2011, it remains to be seen whether minor rules violations will be punished as those minor rules violations occur.

We doubt that they will.  Then again, we also doubt that the Redskins will keep Haynesworth around in 2011.

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35 Responses to “Holliday thinks Redskins should have fined Haynesworth for rules violations”
  1. tumsman2 says: Jun 14, 2011 7:48 PM

    The NFL should create a “Haynesworth Rule”. The Haynesworth Rule would state that players no longer can get guaranteed contracts over 1 year. Instead, long terms deals would be based on performance/statistics. This ensures that all players give 100% throughout the duration of the season.

    HaynesNotWorth is the perfect example of how corrupt the Players are and can be. They are selfish and only care about MONEY, even when they don’t try on the field.

  2. trbowman says: Jun 14, 2011 7:49 PM

    Fat Al could learn a thing or two from Holliday

  3. seabreezes51 says: Jun 14, 2011 7:54 PM

    It’s up to the coaches to handle the player. If he can’t, cut him loose. Eagles did that with Owens, all he has done since leaving is screw up more teams.
    If Haynesworth does end up on the Eagles, the leash will be pretty short

  4. schemefactory says: Jun 14, 2011 8:00 PM

    is YOUR salary performance based? what if cops had the same deal? CEO’s salary should be performance based. when the team loses, they don’t get paid? how would you like that?

  5. pacificamjr says: Jun 14, 2011 8:06 PM

    tumsman2, that is an AWESOME idea! surely the NFLPA will sign on the bottom line with that provision in the contract!

  6. benh999 says: Jun 14, 2011 8:07 PM

    Who knows? You also doubted they would keep him in 2010.

  7. skins359 says: Jun 14, 2011 8:17 PM

    @tumsman2

    It sounds good in theory to base pay off quantitative measurements like stats. However when your pay is based on stats suddenly the guy that is willing to take on double teams start to tell himself that he needs to get a sack. That quiet hard working receiver starts yelling at people to get him the ball like T.O.

    On top of that it doesn’t account for vindictive or incompetent coaches that don’t know how to use their player or simply don’t like someone for the silliest reasons.

    Haynesworth obviously is getting what he deserves. However increasing the portion of performance base pay would open a host of new problems.

  8. childressrulz says: Jun 14, 2011 8:23 PM

    Organizations deserve some of the blame here. They drafted and acquired these players. These organizations continue to coddle some of the more gifted players. This is ridiculous. I am as pro player as anyone but I believe in tough love. If you want a record deal I want to see you break records to get the deal. If you are my employee I expect you to give the same respect to all other employees that I show you. If you are incapable of this there is the door. I know it isn’t as simple as that however the owners have to fill seats and idiot fans like prima donnas. It comes down to morals. I would rather lose every game and lose my team than tolerate any Haynesworths, TOs, Chad Johnsons, Randy Moss’s, etc. Their sense of entitlement is completely intolerable.

  9. scott8nj says: Jun 14, 2011 8:24 PM

    I have supervised pieces of crap just like Haynesworth. They find every excuse in the world to continue to be lazy and useless. Unfortunately, just like this situation, they were also protected by a union. Unions are supposed to be there so you can’t fire someone diagnosed with cancer, not to protect a cancer like Haynesworth. He is a disgrace to everyone who works for a living. I am a Cowboys fan, but I STILL feel bad for the Redskins. You suck Albert, you lazy useless waste.

  10. geniusesq says: Jun 14, 2011 8:26 PM

    @tumsman2 – That would backfire and make the problem worse. Then you would have players who just sign deals with a windfall of money guaranteed in Year 1.

    If you are the top Free agent, you’re going to simply sign with the team that pays you most in Year 1. This will drive up the amount of money they get, and increase the likelihood that they just give up since the rest of the deal isn’t guaranteed anyway.

  11. thereisalwaysnextyear says: Jun 14, 2011 8:33 PM

    Redskins should have fined Haynesworth for rules violations

    Duh…money is the only thing this guy “gets”. Honor, integrity, hard work, team work, sacrifice, dedication, determination, leadership and all those sorts of things are a foreign language to Fat Albert.

  12. tom-a-hawk says: Jun 14, 2011 8:37 PM

    Let the story die already…

  13. dlr4skins says: Jun 14, 2011 8:59 PM

    Put him in a burning building with no doors and see how fast his shuttle run or 40 time becomes.

    This would help solve Medicare’s “disabled” problem.

  14. commandercornpone says: Jun 14, 2011 9:15 PM

    there are all kinds of things one can do to send a message.

    haslett and crew simply are not creative enough.

  15. melonnhead says: Jun 14, 2011 9:34 PM

    It’s up to the coaches to handle the player. If he can’t, cut him loose. Eagles did that with Owens, all he has done since leaving is screw up more teams.
    If Haynesworth does end up on the Eagles, the leash will be pretty short

    ——————————————————

    haha are you kidding? they let him hang around and goad McNabb looong after the trouble started. He mentioned McNabb getting tired in the Super Bowl in April of ’05, didn’t suspend him until November, and didn’t release him until March of ’06. Nobody with the team said a word to him after he wore a Michael Irvin throwback jersey after the Eagles got beaten down the the Cowboys 33-10.

  16. skins3yearplan says: Jun 14, 2011 9:35 PM

    I still say the Redskins could sue his ass and recover some of that money. Fatty refused to play. How is that living up to his contractual obligations??

  17. MichaelEdits says: Jun 14, 2011 9:43 PM

    He might step on Holliday’s face for that.

  18. bronco1st says: Jun 14, 2011 9:47 PM

    Haynesworth has too much money, he needs a cattle prod used on him as a teaching tool, not fines. Using the “Missouri mule” teaching method of a 2 by 4 upside the head as an attention getter would help him in the classroom.

  19. vtsquirm says: Jun 14, 2011 9:47 PM

    the other players should have gotten together and given him a real @ss whippin’

  20. icewalker946 says: Jun 14, 2011 9:55 PM

    schemefactory says:
    Jun 14, 2011 8:00 PM
    is YOUR salary performance based? what if cops had the same deal? CEO’s salary should be performance based. when the team loses, they don’t get paid? how would you like that?
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Thankfully my salary isn’t performance based. My job is to clock in and clock out at the correct times. Other than that, I don’t have to do a thing, thanks to the union that is running the company.

    But I work my damn tail off picking up for the slackers that do as little as possible so the manufacturing line keeps moving. Because I have pride and a sense of workmanship and loyalty to the company that has paid me a lot of money even though I’m ‘just’ a high school graduate and former Marine.

    Andre Gurode could have told you back in 2006 that Albert was a no good son-of-a-b****.

  21. tumsman2 says: Jun 14, 2011 10:24 PM

    Skins, to further my argument, statistics should also be based on team performance. The further you make it, the more all the players make. Therefore, even if you are double teamed, the fact that you are contributing to the team and the team is winning, that would mean everyone is WINNING.

    ChildressRulz, you can’t blame coaches for choosing talented players. Everyone wants to believe that T.O. has changed. T.O. even says he has changed. But then a team goes out on a limb to get him and its the same old stuff. Need to find a better way to punish the players, not teams in these scenarios.

    Genious, teams have caps, so you can’t front load the contracts in year 1. your theory wouldn’t work.

  22. Soulman45 says: Jun 14, 2011 10:38 PM

    To bad he could have been a HOF’er but to put in the time, the class room is where you study to get a jump on the other team.

  23. sethb222 says: Jun 14, 2011 10:54 PM

    Truthfully Holiday needs to shut his mouth.

    He’s at the end of his career and he let this happen? HE should’ve punched Fat Albert right in the Mouth…Thats how these things are handled in the NFL… He didn’t, no one else did either..

    This doesn’t happen in a Ravens or Patriots locker room for sure…and I would bet it doesn’t happen in 75% of the other teams around the league…

    Redskins players need not blame the coaches, Blame yourselves

  24. buckybadger says: Jun 14, 2011 11:30 PM

    There are people here in Denver that want to trade for this bum. I can’t believe anyone would want him on their team.

  25. tsimpson50 says: Jun 15, 2011 1:30 AM

    Holiday has every right to speak up. It’s a shame more of his team mates haven’t. I’d refer to him as a cancer, but that would be an injustice to cancer. Ray Charles could have seen this storyline play out before the Skins signed him. What a disgrace. $100M, but 0 dignity.

    I know that when I wake up tomorrow morning that I am going to have my same life(thanks for the reminder Lebron), but at least I can look in the mirror and know that I am not a big piece of _____ like Big Al.

  26. joetoronto says: Jun 15, 2011 5:39 AM

    No way Shanahan was going to tell Haynesworth anything to his face, that would have been an upfront and professional way of doing things.

    A rat doesn’t operate like that.

  27. souldogdave says: Jun 15, 2011 5:40 AM

    This never would have happened if the Redskins and Shanarat didn’t lie. If they told him before signing he would be a nose tackle, he wouldn’t have signed. They pulled a “Bait & Switch” con on him, and act like “What?”. I can see why he would do this, to burn Shanarat and Snyder,”Dumb & Dumber”. LMFAO, that’s what this is.

  28. billinlouisiana says: Jun 15, 2011 5:43 AM

    skins3yearplan says:
    Jun 14, 2011 9:35 PM
    I still say the Redskins could sue his ass and recover some of that money. Fatty refused to play. How is that living up to his contractual obligations??

    ————————————————

    It just would have ended up in Doty’s court and Haynesworth would win.

  29. baddegg says: Jun 15, 2011 8:08 AM

    I agree with Holliday 100%.

    Funny though how when the Fat Al Shuttle Test was going on PFT was talking about how Shanahan was just trying to be a “badda$$” and that it was only a matter of time before Shan “lost the team.” Many notable posters agreed.

    The way it played out…the team AGREES that Haynesworth is a bad egg and needed to be treated more firmly.

    So, Shanahan maybe was not the “monster” you made him out to be?

  30. johnstofa says: Jun 15, 2011 8:14 AM

    “schemefactory says: Jun 14, 2011 8:00 PM

    is YOUR salary performance based? what if cops had the same deal? CEO’s salary should be performance based. when the team loses, they don’t get paid? how would you like that?”

    Of course your salary is performance based. If you don’t perform your job you get fired. (Notable exceptions being Union and Government). CEO salaries should be stipend amounts and bonus money should be tied to the company performance, and it shouldn’t be tied to “slash and burn” tactics for driving up net revenues. It’s called real life.

  31. johnstofa says: Jun 15, 2011 8:16 AM

    Don’t you love the fact Haynesworth was quoted as complaining about the “slave system” in the NFL last year? Now we know that he was asked to put down the phone and paper for meetings. Oh my.

  32. eagleswin says: Jun 15, 2011 8:28 AM

    souldogdave says:Jun 15, 2011 5:40 AM

    This never would have happened if the Redskins and Shanarat didn’t lie. If they told him before signing he would be a nose tackle, he wouldn’t have signed. They pulled a “Bait & Switch” con on him, and act like “What?”. I can see why he would do this, to burn Shanarat and Snyder,”Dumb & Dumber”. LMFAO, that’s what this is.
    ———————–

    Haynesworth has played 2 seasons for the redskins, not 1. Shanahan has only been the coach for one season. Shanahan also offered to release Haynesworth if he didn’t want to be a nose tackle, before his $40 mill balloon payment that was due last offseason. Haynesworth said he’d have no problem and the redskins paid the $40 mill. After Haynesworth made sure the money was deposited he tried to get canned so that he could get another big payday from a 4-3 team.

    This is almost like DeAngelo Hall with the raiders. Makes you wonder how both players ended up on the skins.

    Anyway, don’t blame Shanahan for lying to Albert. Albert wanted his money and freedom but only got one of the two.

  33. baddegg says: Jun 15, 2011 8:29 AM

    johnstofa says: Jun 15, 2011 8:16 AM

    Don’t you love the fact Haynesworth was quoted as complaining about the “slave system” in the NFL last year? Now we know that he was asked to put down the phone and paper for meetings. Oh my.

    The Redskins should have taken that 4th rounder from Tennessee!

    And if they can’t trade him this offseason, seriously, just release him. If he goes to the Eagles or the Cowboys or something, just let it happen. I would rather have him play lights out against us for 2 games per year than to have him destroy the team the full 16…

  34. bleedgreen says: Jun 15, 2011 8:53 AM

    “You tell him, ‘Don’t read the newspaper in meetings.’ The next day you have to tell him the same thing. It doesn’t stick; it’s an every-day thing.”

    ————-

    Haynesworth can read? Wow…

  35. orakpwnd1983 says: Jun 15, 2011 3:55 PM

    Im done with this! I loathe you Albert! I propose Orakpo and Haynesworthless get put into an arena of sport. “two men enter. One man leaves”

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