Comments on: Throwing some water on the “lockout will soon end” talk

By: egreen4590

egreen4590 — Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:55:43 +0000

Yo, Rog needs to get taken out by the SUH-NAMI and Paul Tag needs to be brought back in!

By: monkeyjuice313

monkeyjuice313 — Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:57:35 +0000

Wait, so is this a grease fire or regular fire? I may be lost.

By: grndizzle

grndizzle — Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:54:18 +0000

sc500- You’re on Pro Football Talk’s webpage. With the lockout going on there isn’t much else to talk about pertaining to PRO FOOTBALL.

By: sc5000

sc5000 — Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:50:59 +0000

I got an idea… How about you people at PFT don’t write one more article about the lockout and your predictions about its conclusion until it is actually over. Everyday its “progress being made” or “secret talks going well” and then the next day its “don’t get your hopes for playing all of the season” or “NFLPA and NFL still not close to reaching deal” It is SICKENING!! Lets face it you don’t have any idea how close they are to getting this done or when its going to end so please don’t write anything else about it until it is actually over with.

By: gdeli

gdeli — Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:39:15 +0000

If the lawyers are out that is good but they need to come in to write it up too. the nba drama is over so we only have baseball? uh Forget hockey. Hockey is not really real hockey like it should be. Too many goons and you gotta let the skilled players play. That’s exciting. To to a boxing match if you want blood.

By: grndizzle

grndizzle — Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:09:48 +0000

I can only speak for myself, but if the NFL cancels as much as 1 preseason game, I’ll be canceling my Directv Sunday NFL ticket. I’ll use the $400 to go see some college football games.
GO BADGERS!

By: bobwhitequail

bobwhitequail — Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:08:27 +0000

This is very simple. The moment Kessler and Pash (the lawyers) stepped out of the picture tons of progress was made. Yesterday the lawyers stepped back into the picture and all of a sudden it is “slow down everybody”.

The lawyers have the opposite incentive of the players and the NFl. They benefit by dragging this out as long as possible and making it as complex as possible. There is a reason why Chester Pitts, who previosuly has never been in the public eye, is making videos against Goodell, etc.. It’s because his agent is Jeffrey Kessler’s son (Andrew Kessler) and they want to create as much derision and diversion as possible. Kessler (and Pash while we are at it) needs to go, it’s as simple as that. Players and the NFL want to make a deal. The lawyers want to make a mess.

By: laeaglefan

laeaglefan — Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:01:32 +0000

Let’s put this in the simplest context possible…..Yogi Berra’s great proclamation that…….

“It ain’t over till its over”

In this case, we’re talking about the lockout, of course.

By: stairwayto7

stairwayto7 — Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:59:49 +0000

No agreement will be reached until late Sept or Oct so no football until Nov..get use to it.

By: nahcouldntbethat

nahcouldntbethat — Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:57:30 +0000

It’s a good move by the owners to create some hope right now. It may not work out in the end but the never-ending doom and gloom that fans have been going through is bad for business. Giving fans a slight lift from that at this point is important.

If our hopes are dashed in the end we’ll go back to doom and gloom but at least we got a break from it in the meantime.

By: dietrich43

dietrich43 — Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:55:18 +0000

Owners lose money if they miss preseason games. Some players have already missed money – bonuses and free agents. Does either side think that they’re going to make up lost revenue/pay by dragging this out?

By: ggt546

ggt546 — Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:53:20 +0000

Cool it everyone!!! We’re not sure that what we thought we knew is not exactly what we were expecting to be the case.

By: hobartbaker

hobartbaker — Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:50:26 +0000

That must be the PFT glass. As you can see, it will never be “all full” due to the way it’s held and the force of the tap water.

By: Mr. C

Mr. C — Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:47:05 +0000

Not sure of the other teams, but Cowboys camp starts in 6 weeks. The owners have to reserve the facilities, hotels, food, etc. I see either a deal, or the owners lifting the lockout for an uncapped year very soon.

Why leave Billions on the table?

By: nflfan101

nflfan101 — Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:46:35 +0000

Word slipped out that the owners have made more concessions during the “no-so-secret” talks, but there has been on indication whatsoever that D. Smith has made any concessions of any nature.

These are just talks, not negotiations.

A deal will not get done until after the 8th circuit rules. If the lockout is upheld, D. Smith will finally negotiate because the players will make him negotiate or fire him. If the lockout is overruled, he clearly will not negotiate because he believes that he will be sitting in the “cat bird’s seat”. And the NFL will have to decide their next move.

We will know that the “not-so-secret” talks are serious when we hear that D. Smith has actually made concessions. Until then, all of this is empty talk and talk is cheap.

I just hope that the 8th circuit rules soon so that we can get onto the next phase of this mess.

By: realdeal12

realdeal12 — Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:40:17 +0000

Leave it to a woman to bring a mans hopes down.

By: rolandsloan

rolandsloan — Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:36:06 +0000

No water thanks. I’m good.

By: eagiants

eagiants — Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:36:01 +0000

And boom goes the dynamite. Insert price is right fail horn sound.

By: pastorinisflak

pastorinisflak — Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:33:28 +0000

I think somebody should throw some water on Liz…

By: rpiotr01

rpiotr01 — Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:32:50 +0000

Once the two sides – especially the PA – decided that they actually wanted to do a deal (rather than let the courts hand them victory or defeat), then the deal is essentially done. There is going to be one, and there is going to be one within a couple weeks. Once the decision is made to do something, the rest is a formality – granted, a formality requiring a lot of work and negotiation, but it’s a matter of when, not if.

The only thing that could go wrong is that one side of the other flat out backs out and decides they want to let it ride in court.

I don’t know why anyone would expect something by father’s day. At the earliest it would be 4th of July, which would be about a month and change after the talks started again. 1st or 2nd week of July seems a realistic point for the sides to get close enough to an agreement in principal that the lockout gets lifted while the details get hammered out. 2-3 weeks of FA followed by a slightly shortened training camp, maybe missing one pre-season game.

By: paulyshore1

paulyshore1 — Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:30:18 +0000

There seems to always be something with this lockout, always just that one little problem that could mess up a new deal.

By: johnsticle

johnsticle — Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:20:44 +0000

If talks are continuing why should we be cautious? Progress is progress.

By: eagles83

eagles83 — Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:17:35 +0000

I don’t think anyone realistically believes the lockout will end by the weekend, but most believe it will end within a month or so which is right on track at this point.

By: 4gone

4gone — Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:17:05 +0000

I hate it when I see a light at the end of the tunnel and it turns out to be a Lawyer in a Miner’s Hat.

By: dumbasdirt

dumbasdirt — Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:16:50 +0000

So what the “experts” with “inside” information are trying to say is:

I am not sure but I think that I don’t know.

The “talks” are an enigma surrounded by a riddle wrapped inside of a mystery.

By: clintonportisheadd

clintonportisheadd — Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:12:51 +0000

Those who had July 15th in the “name the date the lock out ends” pool are looking very good right now.

I really think that the league knows that missing actual games (especially the 9/11 New York game) would be a disaster (financially and from a PR standpoint).

Additionally, the league knew with so many teams “starting over” this year with new coaching staffs there was a serious question of whether the league’s competitive balance (and integrity) would survive a October/November start.

By: lickenkittens

lickenkittens — Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:07:17 +0000

What’s with the picture? Oh the water thing. Brilliant.

By: brooklynbully

brooklynbully — Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:05:31 +0000

Here we go not feeling this post

By: berniemadoffsides

berniemadoffsides — Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:03:04 +0000

I disagree with Liz Mullen…. whoever she is.

Football in 2-3 weeks.