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“Worst moments” return Monday, with one of the best franchises

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It’s been a bad week for the Patriots.  With the Bruins winning the Stanley Cup, New England’s NFL team now has the longest title drought of the four major Boston-based franchises.

But that moment pales in comparison to the “worst moments” the franchise has endured since the last work stoppage.

Sure, the Pats have won three Super Bowl since the last time the owners and players couldn’t get along.  But teams that fly too close to the sun on wings of pastrami tend to crash from time to time, and the Pats have had several noteworthy negatives, despite their run of greatness.

Feel free to make some suggestions in the comments.  We’ll unveil the top (or bottom) five in a special on-demand Monday edition of PFT Live.

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  1. nepatriots128154 says: Jun 19, 2011 1:13 PM

    1) SB 42, no explanation needed

    2) 06 AFCCG, cause they were so close and it looked they had it in the bag

    3) Loss to the hated Jets in divisional round, because they backed up their trash talk and we had beat them 45-3. Although them loosing to the Steelers helped

  2. tjacks7 says: Jun 19, 2011 1:26 PM

    .. wrong article, watta maroon.

  3. whoknowsnothing says: Jun 19, 2011 1:27 PM

    Yeah! Like the Superbowl against the Bears!

  4. TheWizard says: Jun 19, 2011 1:59 PM

    The Zeke Mowatt / Lisa Olsen incident.

    Low point of the franchise.

  5. djaehne says: Jun 19, 2011 2:12 PM

    The Oiler “cannonball” is in there somewhere.

  6. dbellina says: Jun 19, 2011 2:24 PM

    I didn’t know where to post this, so I’ll just say it here.

    I want to wish a special Happy Father’s day to Antonio Cromartie and his 25 children.

  7. profootballwalk says: Jun 19, 2011 2:29 PM

    Losing a Super Bowl in the final minutes is not a ‘worst moment.’ Billy Sullivan’s kid losing the family fortune to the sharks during the Michael Jackson tour was a ‘worst moment.’ Having both Chuck Fairbanks and Bill Parcells sell them out were ‘worst moments.’ Drafting Kenneth ‘Game Day’ Sims was a ‘worst moment.’ The Ben Dreith phantom call in the 1976 Raiders playoff game was an absolute moment for a team that could easily have won it’s first Super Bowl. That call was so bad that the Tuck Rule game paid it back.

  8. vargafamily1 says: Jun 19, 2011 2:39 PM

    #1 has to be Spygate. It shead light on the coaching staff and brought them from being “one-step ahead” of the other coaches to just plain cheaters. Not to mention taint their previous Superbowls. They haven’t won a SB since and the more time to elapse without a SB, the more the videotaping advantage holds creedence.

  9. vargafamily1 says: Jun 19, 2011 2:40 PM

    *shed

  10. vargafamily1 says: Jun 19, 2011 2:44 PM

    They also had a chance to vindicate themselves in the SB against the Giants. Had they won that game it would have put a lot of Spygate to rest, but they failed to do so and the conspiracy grew stronger.

  11. mempusa says: Jun 19, 2011 2:46 PM

    Tom Brady’s Knee
    Richard Seymour’s Departure
    How many offensive coordinator changes have there been since 01?

  12. dempsey63 says: Jun 19, 2011 2:59 PM

    2005 incident as reported by boston.com

    “New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft is out one championship ring, and President Vladimir Putin of Russia has scooped up some very flashy bling.

    “At a meeting of American business executives and Putin on Saturday in Russia, according to Russian news reports, Kraft showed his 4.94-carat, diamond-encrusted 2005 Super Bowl ring to the Russian president, who, after trying it on, put it in his pocket and left.”

  13. santorin4 says: Jun 19, 2011 3:06 PM

    whoknowsnothing says:
    Jun 19, 2011 1:27 PM
    Yeah! Like the Superbowl against the Bears!

    —————————————————-

    Didn’t that happen BEFORE the last work stoppage??

  14. axltcu says: Jun 19, 2011 3:13 PM

    If you’re a Pats fan Spygate is by far the worse due to the constant comments of cheating and what not they have to deal with from other fans. It just won’t die. There’s always one douche in the crowd to ruin a normal conversation about the Pats with an unrelated cheating comment.

  15. spillertime21 says: Jun 19, 2011 3:35 PM

    Darryl stingley. Nuff said.

  16. ezra954 says: Jun 19, 2011 3:48 PM

    Spygate
    Wildcat
    Giants loss

  17. dawkinseffect says: Jun 19, 2011 3:52 PM

    really, its bad that they haven’t won a Superbowl in 7 years? Try NEVER winning a super bowl in the history of the Eagles franchise.

  18. bobhk says: Jun 19, 2011 4:11 PM

    This is a hilarious title. The Pats may be good now, but historically they have been a sad sack franchise. Pre- 2001 they’ve been mostly doormat (with a couple of superbowl trouncings). Actually except for the 3 superbowls in 4 years, it’s mostly been mediocre to bad.
    If you want to consider “on of the best franchises” consider Dallas, Chicago, GB, SF, Pittsburgh, Giants, etc.

  19. peanutbutter&jelly says: Jun 19, 2011 4:13 PM

    spygate has got to top the list, pats fans can say whatever they want but the nfl did not dish out 3/4 of a mil. in fines and take a first rounder for nothing and when you throw in that the camera man wanted immuinity before he would talk should tell anybody that there has to have been wrong doing on the pats part and that at a very minimum taints the success of new england

  20. bobhk says: Jun 19, 2011 4:14 PM

    dawkinseffect says:
    Jun 19, 2011 3:52 PM
    really, its bad that they haven’t won a Superbowl in 7 years? Try NEVER winning a super bowl in the history of the Eagles franchise.
    —–
    Talk about a doofus. NFL is not just during superbowl era. Eagles have also won 3 *league* titles, same as Pats. Eagles have been excellent over many different periods, unlike the cheatriot franchise that has been most doormat, except for the last 8 years or so.

  21. FinFan68 says: Jun 19, 2011 5:24 PM

    Spygate

    Losing the SB/perfect season to a lesser talented team that chose to take it instead of assuming it would be handed to them

    Not matching the Jets” offer to Curtis Martin when he was their RFA

    1990 (?) 1-15 and the circle-jerk type incident with the reporter

    Losing the AFCC to Manning’s Colts

  22. brohamma says: Jun 19, 2011 5:35 PM

    1. Stingley getting paralyzed

    2. NOT DRAFTING MARCUS ALLEN!! (you better not even think about doing this without mentioning the Pats passing on Allen)

    3. Spygate (they got caught doing what every other franchise does.. they just got to close to the edge of the “loophole”)

  23. ampats says: Jun 19, 2011 6:02 PM

    1) Super Bowl 42 end to perfect season
    2) 2006AFCC vs Colts
    3)2010 playoff loss to Jets
    4)1976 Ben Dreith Phantom call
    5)1992 Rod Rust era

    Finfan 68 The way the contract was structured made it impossible for the Patriots to match

    bobhk and vargasfamily( I’m picturing the Addams family),
    get some help with your emotional shortcomings

  24. steeltownpride says: Jun 19, 2011 6:19 PM

    Spygate has to be the answer . It embarrased the Pats beyond belief . It cheated many teams out of their chance and playing for more Superbowls (STEELERS) mostly . They only way they beat the Steelers for many years was taping their defensive signals . First round lost . People fired . It was SOOOOO hurtful that the NFL burned the evidence so no one knew how bad it is . I dont ever remember anything else ever being handling the way the NFL helped out the Pats by hiding all the evidence so ppl didnt know how bad it really was .

  25. TheWizard says: Jun 19, 2011 6:46 PM

    unlike the cheatriot franchise that has been most doormat, except for the last 8 years or so.

    Sure.

    Except they had contending teams in the 70’s, 80’s, and 90’s.

    Other than that, you nailed it.

  26. benh999 says: Jun 19, 2011 7:47 PM

    Parcels taking a job with the Jets while the team was supposed to be preparing for the SB.

  27. lifeimitatesfootball says: Jun 19, 2011 8:05 PM

    Losing 38-13 to a team that was 1-15 the year before in the Wildcat game up in Foxboro. And, speaking of the Dolphins, how about NOT GOING UNDEFEATED, like the Dolphins did?

    18-1! Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

  28. tunescribe says: Jun 19, 2011 8:28 PM

    “Spygate” was utter nonsense — anyone who knows anything about the NFL realizes that. It belongs on a list of Roger Goodell’s worst moments, not the Patriots’.

  29. Deb says: Jun 19, 2011 9:51 PM

    I’d say Darryl Stingley but his injury happened a decade before the 24-year window Mike specified. So that leaves two:

    1. Super Bowl XLII. As heartbreaking as losing SBXXX was for me as a Steelers fan (XLV wasn’t wonderful either), I can’t begin to imagine what losing XLII meant for Pats fans.

    2. Spygate because 99 percent of people don’t understand what really happened and Pats fans will have to hear garbage about it for the rest of their lives. I hate the Pats, but they earned their wins.

  30. bobhk says: Jun 19, 2011 10:29 PM

    ampats says:
    Jun 19, 2011 6:02 PM

    Finfan 68 The way the contract was structured made it impossible for the Patriots to match

    bobhk and vargasfamily( I’m picturing the Addams family),
    get some help with your emotional shortcomings
    ——————–
    Will do. I was going to suggest you get help regarding your intelligence deficiencies but I don’t it will help you.

  31. bobhk says: Jun 19, 2011 10:31 PM

    tunescribe says:
    Jun 19, 2011 8:28 PM
    “Spygate” was utter nonsense — anyone who knows anything about the NFL realizes that. It belongs on a list of Roger Goodell’s worst moments, not the Patriots’.
    —————
    Thus spoke a cheatriot homer with no clear understanding of reality. Almost everyone outside of Pats fan base understood that it got swept under the rug without much penalty.

  32. stairwayto7 says: Jun 19, 2011 10:43 PM

    2-14 season
    Lisa Olson sexual abuse case
    Super Bowl choke
    and anything before 1986 does not count people!!!

  33. bostonbornandbred says: Jun 19, 2011 10:49 PM

    i just skimmed thru the comments so i apologize if this is already mentioned.. but what about Robert Edwards? guy rushed for over 1,100 yards in his rookie season and tore up his knee in a beach flag football game… he could of been a franchise running back… something the Patriots never really have had (Curtis Martin was a great patriot, but hes remembered as a Jets franchise back not patriots)… I also want to mention John Tomase’s article in the boston herald before super bowl 42. Its not his fault they lost, but it was an unneccessary distraction they didnt need… I still want to punch him in the face for that

  34. 1bigtex says: Jun 19, 2011 10:49 PM

    @ bobhk

    Regarding your stance about the Eagles being better than the Patriots. Yes, Philly has three league championships. The last one was 50 years ago dude. The Eagles are also under .500 as a franchise and only .500 in the playoffs. The Pats have won 3 championships since the Eagles last one and are over .500 as a team and in the playoffs. So much for your assertations of excellance in Philly. BTW, were you even alive the last time the Eagles were NFL champs? How about your parents?

  35. j0esixpack says: Jun 19, 2011 11:48 PM

    The lowest point was when the team was so bad they were weeks away from moving to St. Louis – where St. Louis Stallions hats and jerseys already were available in anticipation of the move

    Then Parcells and Bledsoe went on a tear and Bob Kraft made Orthwein the offer he couldn’t refuse to buy the team

    A few years later Bledsoe led them to the Super Bowl and a few years after that Brady won it for them

    That’s a pretty dramatic worst to first

  36. j0esixpack says: Jun 19, 2011 11:51 PM

    Calling the SB 42 loss a choke is just outright insulting to the Giants

    They played the Patriots hard in their regular season game too – and just played better and harder with Tyree making a helluva lucky catch

    Give the Giants credit – they won that game more than the Pats lost it

    Yes – losing out on a 19-0 season hurts – but at least they had the guts to go for it – unlike the Colts who tanked their last game at 15-0 against the Jets because they couldn’t handle the pressure of football immortality.

  37. habsman says: Jun 20, 2011 12:26 AM

    Low point was Roger (former NY Jet employee) Goodell’s over reaction to video taping NY Jet defensive signals that 80,000 people could see from their seats. What presure or influence was exerted on Goodell for him to make such a ridiculous ruling? The punishment he gave the Patriots had nothing to do with the fact he previously worked for the Jets right? No, that would never happen.

  38. bobhk says: Jun 20, 2011 1:56 AM

    @1bigtex

    do you even read before you respond? I responded to the guy (dawkinseffect) who said eagles have never won a superbowl. Technically, he’s correct, but NFL history is longer than when Belicrap won/cheated his way to a title. I am not an eagles fan, but I love johnny come latelys like you who think history should be discounted. Here’s a stat you can chew on: before the big cheat came, the pats win/loss record is 275-312-9 or 46%. Which is lower than Eagles. I love the arrogance of some Pats fans.

  39. bobhk says: Jun 20, 2011 2:08 AM

    TheWizard says:
    Jun 19, 2011 6:46 PM
    unlike the cheatriot franchise that has been most doormat, except for the last 8 years or so.

    Sure.

    Except they had contending teams in the 70′s, 80′s, and 90′s.

    Other than that, you nailed it.
    —————————
    Let’s see:
    2 playoff appearances in 10 years in 1970s. Record: 0-2.
    3 Playoff appearances in 10 years in 1980’s (1 superbowl thrashing, other two years: 0-2).
    4 playoff appearances in 10 years in 1990’s (1 superbowl appearance, 1-3 record otherwise)

    Yep, that sure has the markings of *contending* teams!
    I’d be willing to bet that their overall record in 1970’s and 80’s especially would be below 50%.
    The arrogance of Pats fans.

  40. bobhk says: Jun 20, 2011 3:07 AM

    Let me add:
    1960’s weren’t too good for the Pats either: one playoff appearance in 10 years (1-1 record).

    All in all: 10 playoff appearance in 40 years before Belichicks arrival. I would say that this does not qualify as one of the best franchises (maybe one of the best franchises today). Compare that to the record over the years of franchises like the Steelers, Cowboys, 49ers, etc.

    I know you pats fans won’t like it but there are many that don’t like your arrogance.

  41. threegriffons says: Jun 20, 2011 6:30 AM

    bobhk says:
    Jun 19, 2011 10:31 PM
    tunescribe says:
    Jun 19, 2011 8:28 PM
    “Spygate” was utter nonsense — anyone who knows anything about the NFL realizes that. It belongs on a list of Roger Goodell’s worst moments, not the Patriots’.
    —————
    Thus spoke a Wise Man with A clear understanding of reality. Almost every (homer) outside of Pats fan base Wishs that it got swept under the rug without More penalty.

    FIXED!

    seriously though, its just a few bu**hurt fans that cry cheating, every team was doing it, some maybe still are, but the Pats were made an example of, for the whole league to see.
    As we say, “It is, what it is”

    And it certainly is #1
    I’d also vote for Tom Brady’s knee, I never had faith in Cassel, so was quite shocked to see him do as well as he is. In BB we trust.
    And Parcels, I still hate him, I will never forgive him.

  42. joeypickles says: Jun 20, 2011 8:48 AM

    1. Spygate – every non-Patriots’ fan will forever have that as their argumentative trump card… Love it or hate it that is a WORST moment! BTW there is definitely a sense of JFK style cover-up with this. Real or not, it just ads to the story…
    2. SB 42 loss… Giants earned it, and from a Pats perspective that one will forever resonate with the Pats’ fan base as the one that got away. That was not just a SB loss. That was a shot at immortality and a shot at something that had NEVER been done not even by the ’72 Dolphins (19-0). Spygate also comes back into play as a, “What? They couldn’t win without taping the signals/pregame, blah, blah, blah…”
    3. As a Jets’ fan I’d like to think that the Curtis Martin deal or the 2010 Divisional round could come into play here, but I think the former is difficult to justify and the latter is too new…
    4. Bill Parcels departure??? This one is weak… That was definitely paid back by BB and then some…
    5. All in all, since the last lock-out I think the Pats have the most positives to crow about so getting into anything other than that that has tainted their greatest triumphs (ie Spygate) kind of pales in comparison…

    Oh and to those Pats fans (not all) that get all hot and bothered by these critiques… suck it up. All the other fans out there have to endure the same thing.

  43. 1bigtex says: Jun 20, 2011 9:37 AM

    @ bobhk

    Why yes, I do read before I respond. Do you think before you write? Dude, everything that happened in the past is history. This includes stuff that happened yesterday, and last year, and ten years ago as well as fifty plus years ago. The Eagles’ franchise has an extra 30 years of history that the Patriots franchise does not. However, that period of near ancient history is the only point in time where the Eagles had ultimate success. You have to go back to Norm Van Brocklin to find a championship QB in Philly.

    I do find it amusing that you criticize the Pats for only having 10 playoff appearances prior to the arrival of Belichick. Would you mind telling me how many playoff appearances the Eagles’ had during the same time frame that New England had 10 appearances? I believe you will find that number to be “10”.

    FACE!

  44. Patskrieg dot com says: Jun 20, 2011 9:55 AM

    No need to go outside the box here. There are 3 clear cut moments in Pats history that make Pats fans have that kind of moment from the first Mighty Ducks where they look at an AFC Championship or divisional championship banner and say “I wish they’d just take that one down.”

    Super Bowl 42

    The 06 AFC Championship (forever in my mind as the Reche Caldwell game)

    And the Jets debacle of 2010.

    Runners up include the 4th and 2, the Ty Law game against Buffalo, the wildcat game against Miami, the decision to start Marion Butts over Curtis Martin in Super Bowl XXXI, the Pete Carrol era, the 2nd Randy Moss trade, and soon to be passing on Cameron Jordan and Mark Ingram (only if it doesn’t interfere with the greatest moments in Saints history piece you have planned 3 years from now).

  45. CKL says: Jun 20, 2011 10:10 AM

    lifeimitatesfootball says:
    Jun 19, 2011 8:05 PM
    Losing 38-13 to a team that was 1-15 the year before in the Wildcat game up in Foxboro. And, speaking of the Dolphins, how about NOT GOING UNDEFEATED, like the Dolphins did?

    18-1! Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
    –––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––
    Oh look, Mercury Morris IS still alive.

    I would say the cut of Milloy has to figure in somewhere. It’s not as serious as the other examples given but it was gut wrenching when it happened.

  46. Deb says: Jun 20, 2011 11:13 AM

    @bobhk …

    Anyone outside the Pats fanbase knows Spygate was swept under the rug? As a Steelers fan, I’m about as far outside the Pats fanbase as you can get. And I know teams have been filming other teams as long as video technology has been around. But the NFL had recently changed its rules on filming, and Belichick continued operating under the old system until he got caught. It was a violation, but not the huge competitive advantage some people make out. Bill Cowher said Spygate was blown out of proportion–that’s enough for me.

    And joesixpack is right … they lost SBXLII, but at least they had the guts to go all in for a shot at history instead of wimping out like the Colts.

  47. bobhk says: Jun 20, 2011 11:45 AM

    Deb says:
    Jun 20, 2011 11:13 AM
    @bobhk …

    Anyone outside the Pats fanbase knows Spygate was swept under the rug? As a Steelers fan, I’m about as far outside the Pats fanbase as you can get.
    —-
    @Deb
    I am certain you are a closet Pats fan :)

    BTW, if you had reading comprehension, you’d see I wrote “almost” not “anyone”. So, even if you are a steelers fan, you’d likely fall in minority.

  48. bobhk says: Jun 20, 2011 11:57 AM

    @1bigtex

    Dude you are as clueless as they come. I did think before I wrote. I am not an eagles fan. However, I find it hilarious that guys like you, who probably started watching NFL when Belicrap got lucky with the first superbowl win, discount anything pre-2001. I was pointing out to the first poster (dawkinseffect) that the NFL existed before superbowl era and eagles do have 3 championships. Just because it’s 50 years ago doesn’t mean that the eagles org has thrown the trophies away. Imagine, an organization like Bears not being counted as being one of the best because they only have 1 superbowl.

    Dude, get a clue, even the Pats last superbowl win is in history. They haven’t won it all since 2005. You guys should be happy your team has won 3. But there are other teams that have accomplished that much and more

  49. bobhk says: Jun 20, 2011 12:23 PM

    1bigtex says:
    Jun 20, 2011 9:37 AM

    I do find it amusing that you criticize the Pats for only having 10 playoff appearances prior to the arrival of Belichick. Would you mind telling me how many playoff appearances the Eagles’ had during the same time frame that New England had 10 appearances? I believe you will find that number to be “10″.

    FACE!
    ——————-
    Do a little research before you “believe” it to be true. Eagles playoff appearances for the decades of 1960, 70’s, 80’s, and 90’s is 11:
    1960,78,79,80,81,88,89,90,92,95,and 96.
    (ref:http://www.pro-football-reference.com/).
    I know it’s a marginal difference but atleast confirm before spewing junk.
    My point was that Pats were a junk team before Belichick’s arrival. Eagles have had a rich tradition.

  50. Deb says: Jun 20, 2011 12:29 PM

    @bobhk …

    Yes … I did see the “almost.” Just being feisty ;)

    I really hate the Pats … really bleed black and gold. And when it comes to how I behave toward rivals … definitely in the minority :)

  51. 1bigtex says: Jun 20, 2011 1:20 PM

    @ bobhk

    Reading comprehension is not one of your strengths is it?

    “Would you mind telling me how many playoff appearances the Eagles’ had during the “SAME TIME FRAME” (emphasis added) that New England had 10 appearances?”

    That is a fairly simple and straight forward sentence. That was my original quote which you failed to comprehend. Now, since New England’s first playoff appearance was NOT in 1960, that 1960 Eagles’ playoff appearance would not fall within the “SAME TIME FRAME” caveat. I’m sure that simple logic is beyond your grasp, but the number for BOTH teams is still “10” when examining the time between the Pats’ first playoff appearance and the arrival of Belicheck.

    How can two teams have similar numbers over the same period and you view one team as junk and the other as having a “proud” tradition? Yeah, that Rich Kotite era was certainly “proud” wasn’t it. You must be a Jets fan.

  52. bobhk says: Jun 20, 2011 1:46 PM

    @1bigtex

    since you don’t seem to have much in the cranial area, let me spell it out for you (and refer you back to the original posts). We are were talking about the decades of futility of the Pats. I mentioned that 1960’s was not too kind to the Pats (that would be 1960 to 1969, in case you pea brain can’t understand). I can’t compare eagles with Pats before that since pats were not in existence before then. Thereafter I included decades of 1970s (1970 to 1979), 1980s (1980-89), and 1990s (1990 to 1999). During this time span, eagles went to playoffs once more than the pats. Are you clear on it do you need to go back to kindergarden?

    BTW, I am not a jets fan. I am a 49er fan.

  53. bobhk says: Jun 20, 2011 1:55 PM

    @Deb
    I actually understand what you mean. :)

    Being a 49ers fan, I can somewhat appreciate Aikman, Smith, etc now, many years after they had epic battles with Young, Rice, etc.
    But during the battles, I hated them and would not concede anything :)

  54. 1bigtex says: Jun 20, 2011 2:16 PM

    @ bobhk

    And yet you responded to and used a quote from me which clearly spelled out the time frame that I refered to (ie: from the Pats “first” playoff appearance to the arrival of Belicheck). Yes, that is a mighty impressive lump on your shoulders. You want to celebrate an extra playoff game in 1960 when it was clearly excluded from my post? Great. Have fun watching Alex Smith suck for yet another year.

  55. duehicky says: Jun 20, 2011 2:43 PM

    If you look up all time records the patriots have the 9th best regular season and post season win percentage compared to the eagles who are 18th (although very off topic). The patriots are also 5th in post season win percentage. For all the spygate people if you look up the rule, taping is/was allowed. A memo clarify what was not allowed was sent on Sept 6th 2007 (after all the super bowl wins). Multiple coaches have said they taped and it was a common practice. Also since then the patriots have won their division all but one year (Tom Brady was out), gone to a super bowl, and have one of if not the best win percentages.

  56. joeypickles says: Jun 20, 2011 4:06 PM

    @ duehicky

    To clarify, the SB “problem” was more about the taping of practices than in game footage. It’s just that the two accusations came so close to one another that the line between the two often becomes blurred… unintentionally or otherwise…

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