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Joe Flacco: Lamarr Woodley “doesn’t know what he’s talking about”

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Since we don’t have football practices to talk about this summer, we have to make do with football players talking back and forth through the press.

We would like to thank Steelers linebacker LaMarr Woodley for supplying plenty of material, like when he said the Ravens won’t make the Super Bowl in “his lifetime.”  Ravens quarterback Joe Flacco had an inevitable response over the weekend.

“[Woodley] obviously doesn’t know what he’s talking about.  At some level I don’t care [what Woodley says] because what does that really mean? But there is another level where it does kind of piss you off a little bit,” Flacco told Keith Mills and Pete Gilbert on WBAL, by way of BaltimoreRavens.com.

It’s not like the Ravens or Steelers need added motivation.  With another meeting of the great rivalry scheduled for Week One, both teams know the season starts with a huge game.  But Flacco will take what he can get.

“Believe me, when I hear that kind of stuff, it definitely sparks a little something in me.”

Now Flacco just needs to correct Baltimore’s habit of losing close ones to Pittsburgh.

“We just need to come up a little bigger than we have while playing those guys a couple of times. I mean, come on. What does he think? That they’re going to do it every year?” Flacco said. “I think we are going to have a lot more years in Baltimore where we’re going to have a good chance [to win it all], but we realize we have a really good chance right now and we just want to go ahead and win it.”

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  1. Mike Tomlin says: Jun 20, 2011 10:08 AM

    That was the softest trash talking I’ve ever heard. LaMarr tells you you will never win a Super Bowl in your lifetime on national television and your response is “He doesn’t know what hes talking about”? Haha no wonder this guy falls apart under pressure hes scared s#!tless of the Steelers!

  2. bhindenemylines says: Jun 20, 2011 10:12 AM

    Well, until Baltimore beats the Steelers in the post season and goes on to win a SB, Woodley is right.

    And after them blowing a 21 point lead against Pitt laste year in the post season Flacco needs to just shut his mouth and play.

  3. bubbabart says: Jun 20, 2011 10:12 AM

    Pittspuke scum….sheesh, with that “criminal element” there, you’d think he’d STFU!

  4. Spencer says: Jun 20, 2011 10:17 AM

    Talk is cheap. Especially so in this case.

  5. Slim Charles says: Jun 20, 2011 10:21 AM

    Jelvis Grbacco is the most overrated QB in the NFL. When all is said and done, Baltimore fans will be wishing they had drafted someone else.

  6. ampats says: Jun 20, 2011 10:27 AM

    Ravens won’t win it this season because Rex Ryan has already declared the Jets Super Bowl Champions. Can’t Wait!

  7. buschleaguebandit says: Jun 20, 2011 10:32 AM

    Jelvis Grbacco is the most overrated QB in the NFL. When all is said and done, Baltimore fans will be wishing they had drafted someone else.

    _———————————————_

    Really? This dude has been in the playoffs 3 years in a row..and if it wasn’t for a major collapse last year, they would have been in the SB. Think before you speak, you fool!

  8. lloydcarr1997 says: Jun 20, 2011 10:35 AM

    If TJ Hoshmawhatever or mason catch the ball on the last drive of last years playoff game with the steelers we all might think a little different of Flacco.

  9. jeffro33 says: Jun 20, 2011 10:39 AM

    Apparently LaMarr has looked in Flacco’s eyes and sees what we have all seen outside of BAL…

    Flacco can’t put the team on his shoulders and guide the team to a win.

    With an aging defense, I’m afraid that is what is needed.

    From a fan of neither team, it is pretty clear, like it or not…

  10. ccoolahan14 says: Jun 20, 2011 10:45 AM

    Lamar probably talked to the refs before making his comments. I’m sure they told him that they will CONTINUE to not let the Ravens beat the Steelers in the most meaningful games. Year after year, the most rigged game in sports!

  11. tkebean says: Jun 20, 2011 10:51 AM

    I’m afraid Woodley is right, at least the Ravens won’t win a SB while Flacco is QB. Baltimore brass obviously agrees or they would have locked up the so called “franchise QB” for years to come with a nice new contract. But they haven’t. With such a strong and game changing defense, even a mediocre QB could have taken the Ravens to the SB any of the last 3 years. Ask Trent Dilfer.

  12. citizenstrange says: Jun 20, 2011 11:01 AM

    Those were close games that the Steelers won against the Ravens in the AFCCGs so there is no denying the Ravens could have won them.

    The real problem with the Ravens is a lack of regular season consistency.

    They just don’t win the BIG regular season games that would give them a record that is good enough to earn them a home playoff game let alone a first round bye.

    GO STEELERS!

  13. bengalsown says: Jun 20, 2011 11:03 AM

    Captain dump-off Flacco sucks.

  14. watermelon1 says: Jun 20, 2011 11:03 AM

    I thought Flacco FINALLY made it over the hump last year when he led a come-from-behind victory IN PITTSBURGH by throwing a last second touchdown to TJ Houshmandzedah.

    But as other have stated, he blew a 21 point lead in the playoffs. He’s made the playoffs 3 straight years, but he’s been pretty horrible in the playoff every single year.

    I’m not saying he can’t get better, but so far… he’s shown that he can’t make good decisions in the huddle, behind the line of scrimmage, or with the ball. His vision needs a LOT of work, as he routinely misses open receivers who have beaten their man. His pre-snap reads could also be better(IF POLAMOLU IS AT THE LINE, SOMEONE SHOULD BE BLOCKING HIM!)

  15. spartyfi says: Jun 20, 2011 11:05 AM

    bushleaguebandit: They didn’t make the playoffs because they have a great QB, they made the playoffs because they have a ridiculously great defense. Maybe you should think before you speak, you know heed your own advice!

    Let’s be real, Flacco really isn’t that great of a QB. He can’t do much on his own, he can NOT read defenses and has trouble getting through his progressions. But you go on thinking he’s a top tier QB and everyone else will go on laughing at you!

  16. indycolt45 says: Jun 20, 2011 11:20 AM

    Was Woodley not alive in 2001?

  17. monsterscream says: Jun 20, 2011 11:33 AM

    Flacco needs to be the 1st one in the building and the last one out of the building. He has all the talent in the world but he doesn’t need to be worried about personality clashes with him and Cam Cameron and the Ravens firing Jim Zorn at the end of last season.

    The bottom line is he gets paid a lot of money to be a quarterback in the NFL. He has enough ability to be considered one of the greatest players of all time when it’s all said and done but he must realize that it’s players effort and work ethic that set them apart at that level….PERIOD.

  18. Deb says: Jun 20, 2011 11:38 AM

    Great. Swell. I love the Pittsburgh Steelers and that big Wolverine Woodley. But honesty forces me to side with Flacco on this one.

    LaMarr needs to do his talking on the field. Trash talk doesn’t do anything but rev up the opposition. No one can read the future. For all he knows, he’s played his last Super Bowl–and lost it. I respect that Flacco is low-key. He addressed the comments without beating his chest like a fool. Flacco has progressed into the playoffs each of his three seasons. And if those big-money veteran receivers Boldin and Houshmanzadeh hadn’t dropped his on-the-numbers passes, Baltimore might have been the team representing in SBXLV. We’d be fools to underestimate them or their QB.

  19. blastfurnaceknows says: Jun 20, 2011 11:40 AM

    Also Joe Flacco is not even as good as Elvis Grbac yet.

  20. Eddie says: Jun 20, 2011 11:43 AM

    Is it just me or do I recall a Super Bowl being won by Baltimore in 2001?

  21. hobartbaker says: Jun 20, 2011 11:47 AM

    If the Ravens kill him in the next game against the Steelers, Lamarr will have the last laugh.

  22. mswravens says: Jun 20, 2011 11:48 AM

    @Spencer has it right…talk is cheap, and never more so than in this rivalry. That said…

    Anyone who thinks they can predict Joe Flacco’s future, let along the Ravens future, on the basis of his first 3 years in the league out of a Div II school is nuts…whether it’s Woodley, or some of the morons on here, including bengals fans! Ha, that’s just plain funny. You should save your comments for the day, if ever, that you guys can compete with the big boys…til then, take your seat at the kiddy table and STFU!

    I’m not sold on Joe as an elite QB. I think his story is yet to be writ. I do think the Ravens are plenty capable of winning a SB with him. If the likes of Eli Manning and Trent Dilfer can win, so can Joe.

  23. donterrelli says: Jun 20, 2011 11:49 AM

    I’ll bet Woodley reminds him Week 1 after he sacks him while looking down at him.

  24. chc36 says: Jun 20, 2011 12:09 PM

    A couple things:
    First, the Ravens had the 3rd best YPC average in the league last year. That means Flacco had on of the best deep pass average, get this, with Derrick Mason and Anquan Boldin. If you’re hitting deep passes with those guys and the team adds an actual deep threat and allows Flacco to open it up some, that is something for other teams to be concerned about.
    Second, Hines Ward even said LaMarr doesn’t know what he’s talking about. When the guy who most of the league hates, especially the ravens, then you know there are more than a few steelers that know Flacco can beat them.
    Third, the entire point of this offseason so far was getting players that specifically can beat the Steelers. Adding Jimmy Smith to help in coverage leaving more players available to rush through Pittsburgh’s weak O line, leaving Rothlesberger vulnerable to another Suggs beat down this year. Adding Torrey Smith adds a deep threat that will be able to get behind Pittsburgh’s crappy, unimproved from last year secondary. Put Jah Reed in there (who many believe might be a day on starter) you get a new body to keep Polomalu in place and Flacco upright.
    Finally, LaMarr says in his lifetime. When Polomolu eventually retires Flacco will have continued to grow. I’m saying Polomolu has 5 years left at the very most. Flacco will be an eight year vet, and be rid of his biggest nemesis in the league. Everyone knows how the steelers are without Polomolu, and that trend is likely to continue. At that point the division will be the Ravens for a long time until Pittsburg finds a new playmaker

  25. djstat says: Jun 20, 2011 12:10 PM

    Flacco is better then Trent Dilfer ever was. He is a solid QB who has great potential. The bottom line is he wins. He went 11-5 year 1, 9-7 year 2, 12-4 last year. He has been int he playoffs all three years. You idiots who think he has yet to prove himself know nothing about the game of football. A lot of things contributed to the Ravens not beating Pittsburgh last year. IN once case, Anquan Boldin dropped a TD pass that hit him in the numbers. T.J. Houshmanzadeh dropped a 4th & 17 pass that would have been a first down. How about the Raves defense that allowed a 58 yard pass completion on 4th & 19? Before everyone dumps on Flacco, learn something about the game of football and how its played. Stop being know it all fans. Does Flacco have problems? Sure, most QB’s do. He holds the ball a little to long and tries to make something happen. Receivers need to get open better.

  26. qj1984 says: Jun 20, 2011 12:13 PM

    Sorry that Flacco disappointed some of you all by not responding with more zing like the McCoy/ Osi battle but this is typical Flacco. Be entertained that you got a response at all. Normally its a blank stare, shoulder shrug, and “an oh well you know” with some politically correct crap like “thats what you expect those guys to say” crap thrown on the end.

    Quick somebody ask him about Dhani Jones. Just kidding, I am going back to the Osi vs. LeSean battle there will be much more flare in that one.

    Anyway for all those hating on Flacco, tell me when is the last time your QB led your team to the postseason for 3 consecutive seasons. Unless your an Indianapolis Colts fan, probably not anytime soon. And if your a Colts fan than you know what its like to watch your young QB chock year after year in the postseason, thats all Peyton Manning did to start his career. So, there really isnt much trash another fan base can talk.

  27. michbengal says: Jun 20, 2011 12:15 PM

    Talk like this why I truly can’t stand the Pittsburgh Steelers. Hines Ward’s smug smiles. A few years back with Joey Porter shooting his mouth off. Maybe karma has caught up with them…the look on Big Ben’s face when it became apparent that Pittsburgh would lose last years Super Bowl was priceless. Pittsburg might be a winner, but they lack class.

  28. schmitty2 says: Jun 20, 2011 12:16 PM

    ccoolahan14 says:
    Jun 20, 2011 10:45 AM
    Lamar probably talked to the refs before making his comments. I’m sure they told him that they will CONTINUE to not let the Ravens beat the Steelers in the most meaningful games. Year after year, the most rigged game in sports!

    “Bitter-party of 1″

  29. ny82jy says: Jun 20, 2011 12:17 PM

    ampats says:
    Jun 20, 2011 10:27 AM
    Ravens won’t win it this season because Rex Ryan has already declared the Jets Super Bowl Champions. Can’t Wait!
    ————————————

    Wow this is a article about flacco and woodley and you are still making stupid comments about rex and the jets. I wish i could have seen your face during that playoff game when we were dominating you guys. You are so bitter you cant ever stop thinking about the jets. They are definatly in your head cause you cant stop talkig about them ever lol. Cant wait to see them do it again to you guys this year. It will happen you will see :)

  30. ny82jy says: Jun 20, 2011 12:19 PM

    @ampats
    You guys lost 3 games last yr and 2 of them were to the jets. Not only are you bitter but your scared to death too its obvious !

  31. killxswitch says: Jun 20, 2011 12:41 PM

    qj1984 says: Jun 20, 2011 12:13 PM

    Anyway for all those hating on Flacco, tell me when is the last time your QB led your team to the postseason for 3 consecutive seasons. Unless your an Indianapolis Colts fan, probably not anytime soon. And if your a Colts fan than you know what its like to watch your young QB chock year after year in the postseason, thats all Peyton Manning did to start his career. So, there really isnt much trash another fan base can talk.
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    #1, yes I’m a Colts fan. But that is irrelevant, because #2, Joe Flacco isn’t that good. He has an excellent defense (3 future HOFers in Lewis, Reed, and Ngata) to get him the ball back consistently, arguably the best offensive line in the NFL to protect him, a great RB and lead blocker tandem in Ray Rice and Le’Ron McClain to take the pressure off of him further, and 3 really solid-or-better receiving targets in Boldin, Mason, and Heap.

    No other QB in the NFL is set up to succeed like Flacco. But he’s just a cog in the wheel. He doesn’t lead the team to anything. He is along for the ride. He is a lower-to-middle-tier QB and there are 18 active QBs I would take over him.

  32. ballsdeep412 says: Jun 20, 2011 1:09 PM

    really?? with the criminal records we have in pukesburgh? last i heard ray lewis killed someone and got away with it. b more is trash they cant win the big games in pittsburgh so when u back up what u say then well talk. Bathroom Big Ben Style!!!

  33. ravensfan4life52 says: Jun 20, 2011 1:21 PM

    haters are going to hate. it doesn’t matter if Flacco wins 5 Super Bowls, which I’m not saying he will, people will still talk crap about him and say he’s not that great of a QB. go on and hate. it really doesn’t matter what you or I say about Flacco, it matters what he does on the field. i’ve been happy with his production so far and he’s only getting better. now personally i would’ve told Woodley to go have relations with is mother or a sheep, being that they’re both the one and the same it really wouldn’t matter which one. but Flacco is classier than that so good for him.

  34. Steeler's Will says: Jun 20, 2011 1:22 PM

    michbengal says:
    Jun 20, 2011 12:15 PM
    Talk like this why I truly can’t stand the Pittsburgh Steelers. Hines Ward’s smug smiles. A few years back with Joey Porter shooting his mouth off. Maybe karma has caught up with them…the look on Big Ben’s face when it became apparent that Pittsburgh would lose last years Super Bowl was priceless. Pittsburg might be a winner, but they lack class.
    ——————–
    BS…you can’t stand the Steelers because you’re a Bungle fan, and the Bungs have been terrible against the Steelers recently. Rather than be honest that it bothers you that your team hasn’t played well, you’re pretending to be offended by the opponent’s perceived lack of class and simply piling on.

  35. ravensfan4life52 says: Jun 20, 2011 1:26 PM

    oh and if Trent Dilfer can win a Super Bowl, then I’m more than confident that Flacco can win one.

  36. eweezy32 says: Jun 20, 2011 1:30 PM

    This is great I cant wait till opening night on 9/11 all the trash talking now and its still june…On the other hand Im not a blind ravens fan I know Flacco has his flaws as do most quaterback in this league. Is he as good as Rivers I dont think so but if your going off of superbowls rings/apperances I guess so. I can argue both sides all day about how good he is and how bad he can be. He is a good not great quaterback but can be great on day. I remember him playing pittsburg like a fiddle to comeback and win the first game last year. And I saw him not audible or call timeout and lose a fumble in the second game last yr. And for the third game they blew a 21 point lead. Not Joe they as a team, the RAVENS lost that game I remember ray rice fumbled the very first carry of the game that wasnt Joe. Plus I remember Joe LEADING the team to a comeback several times in that game and players like mason housh and boldin dropping passes that hit them between the numbers. There is nothing Flacco could have done better in those situations. I remember in 2009 Joe was making a comeback against the Pats in the 4th and hit Clayton between the numbers and he dropped it. But I guess thats Joes fault. What I’m trying to say is Joe isnt the best quaterback in the NFL but he is around 10-12, and here in Baltimore he is our guy,and we needed someone after Kyle. He doesnt go and get in trouble off the field and rap women (twice) and he is an overall better qb then the one pittsburgh has.

  37. ballsdeep412 says: Jun 20, 2011 1:37 PM

    who breaks down under pressure? flaco who won a super bowl not flaco and who didnt get arrested for gettin some ass? not ben. who didnt play some games and still when to the super bowl not flaco just throwing some facts out there. bottom line is only b more fans suck flaccos dick no one else cares hes not that good. and let flacco say some non sense to woodley he’ll get smacked up f up

  38. jebdamone says: Jun 20, 2011 1:39 PM

    “I mean, come on. What does he think? That they’re going to do it every year?”

    yes, thats exactly what he thinks joe. didn’t you read his comments?

  39. leopardalta says: Jun 20, 2011 1:55 PM

    As long as we have Polamalu healthy in the secondary Baltimore will always have problems winning the big game. Baltimore as good as they are on paper can not beat Pittsburgh. Team chemistry even with a below average cover guy in William Gay is paramount. You really had your chance last year with your major acquisitions( Hus your mama and Boldin)–too bad, too late. Now, our DE’s will be better with Ziggy Hood and Cameron Heyward is coming. CHAMPIONSHIP.

  40. ahostiletakeover says: Jun 20, 2011 2:01 PM

    I have never seen a more scrutinized QB in his first 3 years in the league, much less them being 3 successful years. To all of the haters, please tell me where Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, and Drew Brees were after their 3rd years in the league? I’m not saying he is in their realm right now, Flacco still has plenty of room for improvement in multiple facets of his game, but the key is he HAS improved every year and there is no reason to think he won’t. He knows it starts week 1 and I have a feeling a lot of you are gonna be surprised its not goin g to go the way you armchair QBs think.

  41. ballsdeep412 says: Jun 20, 2011 2:08 PM

    lmao this must be a b more site everyone is suckin bird dick BLACK N YELLOW BLACK N YELLOW

  42. steelcurtainn says: Jun 20, 2011 2:09 PM

    The ‘Woods” right! Floppo folds under pressure esp against the steelcurtain. He’ll never win the bowl. Sorry but the truth hurts.

  43. stairwayto7 says: Jun 20, 2011 2:19 PM

    Flacco has not won anAFC North division yet,
    has not beaten Steelers in playoffs yet,
    has no home playoff games yet
    has no Super Bowl appearances yet!

    ENOUGH SAID!

  44. killxswitch says: Jun 20, 2011 2:25 PM

    ahostiletakeover says: Jun 20, 2011 2:01 PM

    I have never seen a more scrutinized QB in his first 3 years in the league, much less them being 3 successful years. To all of the haters, please tell me where Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, and Drew Brees were after their 3rd years in the league? I’m not saying he is in their realm right now, Flacco still has plenty of room for improvement in multiple facets of his game, but the key is he HAS improved every year and there is no reason to think he won’t. He knows it starts week 1 and I have a feeling a lot of you are gonna be surprised its not goin g to go the way you armchair QBs think.
    ————

    You apparently weren’t watching football in the late 90s/early 00s when Manning was in his first 3 years.

    And to answer your question, Manning in his 3rd year had thrown over 4000 yards twice, 26 or more TDs all three years, and completed over 62% of his passes in 2 of 3 seasons. By contrast Flacco still hasn’t thrown for more yards or TDs than Manning did in his rookie year. And in case you don’t know, the Colts had a comparably worse WR corps, defense, and OL.

    Flacco is a solid game-managing QB. There’s nothing necessarily wrong with that. It frees up more cap room for other positions if that’s how you want to build your team. And sure, he may get better, who knows. But he’s just not going to carry your team consistently. It’s not who he is as a player.

  45. blitzburghgator says: Jun 20, 2011 2:36 PM

    We all know the one basic rule, and that is that the winner has bragging rights…

    Woodley has been on the winning side far more than Flacco has, so that says it all.
    Want to shut him up Joe?……do it on the field.

    Personally, I dont think you can, but beating them is the only reply that will carry any weight.

  46. djhaba says: Jun 20, 2011 2:37 PM

    ahostiletakeover says: Jun 20, 2011 2:01 PM

    I have never seen a more scrutinized QB in his first 3 years in the league, much less them being 3 successful years. To all of the haters, please tell me where Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, and Drew Brees were after their 3rd years in the league? I’m not saying he is in their realm right now, Flacco still has plenty of room for improvement in multiple facets of his game, but the key is he HAS improved every year and there is no reason to think he won’t. He knows it starts week 1 and I have a feeling a lot of you are gonna be surprised its not goin g to go the way you armchair QBs think.

    —————————-

    Let’s see here. Manning and Brady had both been to a Pro Bowl after 3 years. Brees went to his first in his 4th year. And Rodgers sat behind Brett Favre for 3 years (so you can’t really rip on him for that) but went to a Pro Bowl in his 2nd year as a starter and won a Super Bowl in his 3rd. So please stop trying to compare Flacco to any of them.

  47. schmitty2 says: Jun 20, 2011 3:25 PM

    ballsdeep412 says:
    Jun 20, 2011 1:37 PM
    who breaks down under pressure? flaco who won a super bowl not flaco and who didnt get arrested for gettin some ass? not ben. who didnt play some games and still when to the super bowl not flaco just throwing some facts out there. bottom line is only b more fans suck flaccos dick no one else cares hes not that good. and let flacco say some non sense to woodley he’ll get smacked up f up

    is your middle name “run-on sentences”?

  48. ahostiletakeover says: Jun 20, 2011 4:40 PM

    killxswitch says: Jun 20, 2011 2:25 PM You apparently weren’t watching football in the late 90s/early 00s when Manning was in his first 3 years. And to answer your question, Manning in his 3rd year had thrown over 4000 yards twice, 26 or more TDs all three years, and completed over 62% of his passes in 2 of 3 seasons. By contrast Flacco still hasn’t thrown for more yards or TDs than Manning did in his rookie year. And in case you don’t know, the Colts had a comparably worse WR corps, defense, and OL. Flacco is a solid game-managing QB. There’s nothing necessarily wrong with that. It frees up more cap room for other positions if that’s how you want to build your team. And sure, he may get better, who knows. But he’s just not going to carry your team consistently. It’s not who he is as a player.

    Look I’m a Peyton fan but these are two different QBs. Yes Peyton had thrown for more yards and TDs and had made it to the league’s popularity contest but where did all of those yards and TDs get his team those years? It got him an incredible 3-13 record in ’98. Those numbers were good enough to get his team an excellent record in ’99 and a solid record in ’00. And what did the Colts do with those playoff berths? A 3 point loss to TEN in the divisional round and an OT loss to MIA in a wild card matchup? Gee you’d think this amazing QB would have made a few plays in those games early in his career but apparently he and his team couldnt
    This sound familiar, kinda like, *gasp* Flacco and the Ravens ’08-’10..but that wasn’t Peyton’s fault then though right? He was still a young improving QB like *gasp again* Flacco is right now! Flacco probably will never consistently throw for 4000+ yds and prob never throw 40+ TDs but these Ravens have had just as much if not more success than Peyton and the Colts in their first 3 years and Ikll take that over Pro Bowls every day.

  49. michbengal says: Jun 20, 2011 4:49 PM

    @ Steeler’s Will

    Must have I hit a nerve. You have about as much class as all the Steeler players you root for with your Bung this and Bungle that. Let’s see, we only have to go back 2 seasons to find that your self-rightous Steelers were swept by the lowly “Bungles”. So, “recently” both teams are 2-2 against each other over the past two seasons. My point is that comments like Woodly’s take away from all the winning the Steeler’s have accomplished. Do you hear Patriots players mouthing off? Colts? Saints? I used to like the Steelers in the 70′s. They had class. Now? Not so much.

  50. qj1984 says: Jun 20, 2011 5:12 PM

    killxswitch says: Jun 20, 2011 12:41 PM

    #1, yes I’m a Colts fan. But that is irrelevant, because #2, Joe Flacco isn’t that good. He has an excellent defense (3 future HOFers in Lewis, Reed, and Ngata) to get him the ball back consistently, arguably the best offensive line in the NFL to protect him, a great RB and lead blocker tandem in Ray Rice and Le’Ron McClain to take the pressure off of him further, and 3 really solid-or-better receiving targets in Boldin, Mason, and Heap.

    No other QB in the NFL is set up to succeed like Flacco. But he’s just a cog in the wheel. He doesn’t lead the team to anything. He is along for the ride. He is a lower-to-middle-tier QB and there are 18 active QBs I would take over him.
    ___________________________________

    My argument is simple, if you think Flacco is just a product of his environment how come the Ravens were never successful with Kyle Boller? They had a tremendous defense back than to, better than today because Reed and Lewis were in their primes. They had a Todd Heap in his prime. Boller had Derrick Mason. Boller had an offensive line anchored by a 1 st ballot hall of famer in Ogden. And although he didnt have Ray Rice, he did have a 2000 yard bell cow in Jamal Lewis. So, why has Flacco been able to go to the playoffs 3 years in a row with this team and Boller couldnt get there once with teams that were as talented as the one Flacco had his rookie year? Because Flacco is GOOD QB and Boller was not.

    Flacco hasnt had all these offensive weapons around him his entire career and if you think he’s got such a great offensive line you CLEARLY dont watch Ravens football. Take a look at the numbers for the Ravens running game, they were all down this year because of that offensive line that you think is so great was just average.

    All the criticism that Flacco gets you’d think he was entering year 7 without a ring like Manning. The guy is going into his 4th NFL season.

  51. qj1984 says: Jun 20, 2011 5:20 PM

    @killxswitch

    He is a lower-to-middle-tier QB and there are 18 active QBs I would take over him.

    _____________________________________

    I can promise you are just about the only one. And I dare you to name 18 guys that you’d rather have over Flacco. I bet more than half of them will either be guys like David Gerrard or Tony Romo, who have careers twice as long as his but have accomplished much less or guys like Matthew Stafford, Colt McCoy, or Sam Bradford who havent proven a damn thing to be put above him.

    There are 6 QB’s that I would take hands down over Flacco and after that it gets dicey. Brady, Manning, Brees, Rivers, Rodgers, and Jen. After that you can name any QB in the NFL and Flacco compares favorably or equally to them in some way.

  52. mullwall412 says: Jun 20, 2011 5:38 PM

    Steeler linebackers talk trash. But they always back it up. Yinz wanna talk about ppl hatin on flaccid get serious. There is real hate for the steelers on here. Cause guess what, only winners get hated on. Dissin ben for a situation u know nothing about is envy pointing out flaccid might not be as good as some in the media would have fans believe is just objective criticism. He could be good or even borderline great some day but thats not today. And bungle fans need to step away , this is a discussion for fans of teams that win something more than once in decade. Your team is not even relevant in the North in the big scheme of things

  53. ravenator says: Jun 20, 2011 8:01 PM

    mullwall412 says:
    Jun 20, 2011 5:38 PM
    Steeler linebackers talk trash. But they always back it up. Yinz wanna talk about ppl hatin on flaccid get serious. There is real hate for the steelers on here. Cause guess what, only winners get hated on. Dissin ben for a situation u know nothing about is envy pointing out flaccid might not be as good as some in the media would have fans believe is just objective criticism. He could be good or even borderline great some day but thats not today. And bungle fans need to step away , this is a discussion for fans of teams that win something more than once in decade. Your team is not even relevant in the North in the big scheme of things

    —————————–

    …Nor is your grammar. Go back to grade school silly child.

  54. paulieorkid says: Jun 20, 2011 9:28 PM

    I love Woodley’s wickedly sweet schitt-talk. Unlike some chump like Vanderjagt for example – Wood backs up his lip with a nasty game.

    Inspiring the other team with bulletin board is for people like Lou Holtz to tremble over.

    Anyone familiar with Granny Holtz regularly praising schools like Rhode Island Polytechnic Institute as the second coming of the ’80′s Hurricanes knows what I’m driving at.

    The guess here is that Wood, Harrison, Timmons have nothing but contempt for those timid souls who are mortified that it might create “bulletin board material.” BFD. These boyz aint soft – they embrace it – and will proceed to lay the lumber from the opening whistle to the echo of the gun at the end of the game.

    Buckle up Mister Joseph Flacco – it’s gonna be a bumpy ride for you come opening day … provided the labor strife is resolved sufficiently in advance.

  55. mullwall412 says: Jun 20, 2011 10:24 PM

    true pauly @ Ravenator thats real weak to insult grammar. This is a football blog not a test

  56. Steeler's Will says: Jun 21, 2011 6:34 AM

    michbengal says:Jun 20, 2011 4:49 PM

    @ Steeler’s Will

    Must have I hit a nerve. You have about as much class as all the Steeler players you root for with your Bung this and Bungle that. Let’s see, we only have to go back 2 seasons to find that your self-rightous Steelers were swept by the lowly “Bungles”. So, “recently” both teams are 2-2 against each other over the past two seasons. My point is that comments like Woodly’s take away from all the winning the Steeler’s have accomplished. Do you hear Patriots players mouthing off? Colts? Saints? I used to like the Steelers in the 70′s. They had class. Now? Not so much.
    ————————
    You’re the one with the tender nerve exposed if you think the term “Bungles” shows a lack of class, OR you don’t know anything about the Steelers of the 70′s or the Bengals of the 70′s if you don’t know where there term “Bungles” comes from. Which is it? Oh and once again…Gratz on that season sweep 2 years ago. Pittsburgh’s been to the Super Bowl since then, the Ravens continue to make playoff appearances, and the Browns are making progress by leaps and bounds, complete with their new stud QB to lead them into the future. What have the Bengals been up to?

  57. Deb says: Jun 21, 2011 11:47 AM

    paulieorkid says:

    Anyone familiar with Granny Holtz regularly praising schools like Rhode Island Polytechnic Institute as the second coming of the ’80′s Hurricanes knows what I’m driving at.

    Give the devil his due … as someone familiar with the poor-mouthin’ ways of “Granny” Holtz … that was hilarious.

    Correct that Woodley can back up his talk … unlike Anthony Smith who embarrassed himself and the team in 2007. It doesn’t have anything to do with fear but with pride. I was raised on the tenets of Bear Bryant: When you win, act like you’ve been there before.

  58. steelerskicktheravens says: Jun 21, 2011 1:05 PM

    hey flacco the only 2 times u beat pittsburgh was when roethlisberger was injuired or suspended..

  59. killxswitch says: Jun 21, 2011 4:00 PM

    Active QBs that would do more than Flacco has done if they had the same team around him:

    P Manning
    Brady
    Brees
    Rodgers
    Rivers
    Roethlisberger
    Palmer
    Vick
    Freeman
    Cassel
    Ryan
    Orton
    Romo
    Cutler
    Schaub
    E Manning
    Stafford
    Bradford

  60. ravenator says: Jun 21, 2011 7:13 PM

    Can’t wait till Flacco lights up the Steelers secondary. They’ll be on here so fast two minutes before the game only to crawl back into mommy’s basement when it’s over.

    Rip on me all you want but, Ravens will win the AFCN. I guarantee it (sue me Rex).

  61. paulieorkid says: Jun 21, 2011 10:36 PM

    @ ravenator who said:

    “Can’t wait till Flacco lights up the Steelers secondary. They’ll be on here so fast two minutes before the game only to crawl back into mommy’s basement when it’s over. Rip on me all you want but, Ravens will win the AFCN. I guarantee it (sue me Rex).”

    - – - – -

    Settle down pissant – have you any familiarity whatsoever with how Flacco has fared in his career against the Steelers defense? His passer rating over those games is LESS than Ryan Leaf’s.

    Any idea how many times Flacco has won when faced off against Ben?

    Hint One: Carrottop has engineered as many victories over the Roethlisberger-led Steelers as Joe Flacco has.

    Hint Two: Take the size of your unit at full attention. Subtract 4 inches. You will find your answer there “Ravenator.”

  62. ravenator says: Jun 22, 2011 7:21 AM

    @paulieorkid

    What a joke of a response. Ya, he hasn’t played well, not always his fault though. You must not watch the game. You probably sit back on your ikea furniture and down your monthly paycheck (which probably isnt even for an annual salary) on a 30pack. I bet you wave your silly towel around and think Ben is a saint.

    You contribute nothing to society.

  63. qj1984 says: Jun 22, 2011 7:40 AM

    killxswitch says: Jun 21, 2011 4:00 PM

    Active QBs that would do more than Flacco has done if they had the same team around him:

    P Manning
    Brady
    Brees
    Rodgers
    Rivers
    Roethlisberger
    Palmer
    Vick
    Freeman
    Cassel
    Ryan
    Orton
    Romo
    Cutler
    Schaub
    E Manning
    Stafford
    Bradford
    ___________________________________

    Just like I thought. Guys who havent proven a damn thing or who are just considerably worse. The first 6 are the guys I named myself, so get them out of there.

    Carson Palmer- haha. Johnson and Houshmanzadah in their primes are much better than Mason and Boldin on the downside of their careers. Carson had both those guys until up to two years ago and he’s got two playoff trips and ZERO playoff victories in 7 years as an NFL starter. Flacco has been in the league 4 years less and he’s already got more playoff trips and victories.

    Cassell- I am sure you saw that Ravens vs. Chiefs playoff game. If not let me save you some trouble, Flacco was by far the better QB on the field that day and he was playing for the road team. The Chiefs had him under just as much pressure (they did get 5 sacks) and he stepped up and led his team to victory while Cassell folded like a lawn chair. He looked like a freaking rookie that never played an NFL game. So, yeah lol for this one to.

    Cutler- Yeah, whatever. Cutler has had the big time weapons around him and he didnt win when he had them. Infact, he was and still is a turnover machine.

    Schuab- Yeah, he’s only had the best wr in the NFL, the guys has no help at all. Bull crap. He’s not a winner.

    Orton- Is a product of Josh McDanials system. He never put up those kinds of numbers without McD and he wont now that he doesnt have him anymore. Watch. And even still he’s not a winner.

    Romo- Same thing as Palmer. This guy had an all star cast in Dallas, still does. I’d trade the Ravens entire team for the talent that Romo has had on offense. Witten, Owens, Barber, Bryant, Williams, Austin…. All that talent equals 1 playoff win. I am not impressed.

    Stafford and Bradford are just to funny to even comment. I dont know which is funnier. The rookie or the guy who has the best young WR in the game but cant stay healthy. I’ll take neither.

    Vick,Ryan, Freeman, and E. Manning. Are the guys that are in about the same class as Flacco.

    Ryan and Flacco’s numbers are so close its a wonder the media has placed Ryan on such a pedestal. I wouldnt trade Flacco for him.

    Vick, some days I would and some days I wouldnt.

    Freeman, he’s got to perform like Flacco against a top flight schedule. That easy peasy crap he had last year just isnt going to cut it but call me unimpressed with no wins vs. teams with a winning record. But he’s a possibility. I like him.

    E. Manning, is the guy most people compare Flacco to. I wouldnt trade Flacco for him. Flacco’s career has gotten off to a much better start and Eli like Cutler is a turnover machine. No thanks.

    I’ll throw in another guy, Mark Sanchez, because he seems to get dogged just like Flacco. But Sanchez is a winner. He always steps up in the post season. I still wouldnt trade Flacco for him though.

  64. killxswitch says: Jun 22, 2011 8:53 AM

    Your argument is basically “I like Flacco LA LA LA LA LA LA” with your fingers in your ears.

    I never said he was bad. But he is not a top 15 QB. A top 15 QB would do more with the resources at his disposal. Maybe as a Ravens fan you aren’t used to seeing good QB play so your point of reference is skewed.

  65. yererme says: Jun 22, 2011 9:02 AM

    I laugh at raven fans they are nothing but copy cats flacco I a weaker model of big Ben he’s a choke artist the playoff game proved Troy wasn’t the reason Ryan Clark was and as far as a rivalry if u notice they only beat steelers when Ben is not in (cough) 8 straight wins against the ravens woodley made a point they soft asses taking it as trash talk I mean what u want the say yea he’s going to get 1 I guess they need some type of motivation cuz ray Lewis bum ass not getting to them #TeamSteelers Ravens are trash now that’s trash talking

  66. paulieorkid says: Jun 22, 2011 10:20 AM

    ravenator said:
    “@paulieorkid: ‘What a joke of a response. Ya, he hasn’t played well, not always his fault though. You must not watch the game. You probably sit back on your ikea furniture and down your monthly paycheck (which probably isnt even for an annual salary) on a 30pack. I bet you wave your silly towel around and think Ben is a saint. You contribute nothing to society’.”

    - – - – -

    This is why Deb is a lot more fun to clown around with. At least she is very articulate and can fire up some angles worthy of respect.

    Not you though.

    No sir – not at all.

    Just take a good look at yourself.

    You speak of 30packs, ikea and people in their mommy’s basement. Notice the utter absence of wit or even a trace of intellect or creativity from the author?

    Your “tough guy” talk is even shoddy at an amateurish standard.

    You communicate like a child; a child who has been dreadfully educated.

    It’s comical you talk about how Flacco is going to bust open a 55 gallon drum of whoop ass on the Steelers when it’s never happened with Ben not either injured or suspended … ever.

    Then you make the (yawn) predictable “You must not watch the game” retort … yet offer no factual buttressing other than to make up fairy tales about my annual salary.

    If you study really hard for the Final and catch a few breaks, you might be able to graduate up to full Pea Brain status. Study hard Poindexter.

  67. ravenator says: Jun 23, 2011 6:37 PM

    @paulieorkid

    Wow get a life child. You’re not even worth the time. Keep using your thesaurus buddy, I’m sure your political science degree will carry you far in life. Tell me what’s someone dong on PFT, typing angry rebuttals at 10:20am? Keep collecting those unemployment paychecks.

    Cheers!

  68. waynefontes says: Jun 27, 2011 8:11 AM

    To quote Jimi Hendrix …. Hey Joe….

    Want to shut up the Steelers? Beat them when it counts. Beat them in the playoffs.

    And this is coming from a Ravens fan.

  69. fullerman says: Jun 27, 2011 10:09 AM

    Flacco is a stiff… The only way he can win the div let alone a SB is if the Ben, Brady or Peyton get injured or retire….He folds under pressure..Maybe the Ravens should have Ray Lewis QB the team since he is half the LB he used to be…

  70. paulieorkid says: Jun 27, 2011 10:20 AM

    @ ravenator:

    If you think I need a thesaurus to communicate, it tells me either that you were poorly educated or you were incapable of comprehending knowledge presented to you. Either way, it translates to you being ill-equipped at anything involving cognitive function.

    To wit, 10:20 a.m. is the site post time under Eastern Standard. It’s 7:20 a.m. here in southern California. Somehow, your 5 watt brain deduced that I am home posting to PFT at 10:20 a.m. and am thus, unemployed. Memo to peabrain: it’s NOT 10:20 a.m. EVERYWHERE. We live on a sphere – it’s called the earth. It’s round and 3 dimensional. Pay attention next time in third grade science class.

  71. qj1984 says: Jun 27, 2011 1:24 PM

    killxswitch says: Jun 22, 2011 8:53 AM

    Your argument is basically “I like Flacco LA LA LA LA LA LA” with your fingers in your ears.

    I never said he was bad. But he is not a top 15 QB. A top 15 QB would do more with the resources at his disposal. Maybe as a Ravens fan you aren’t used to seeing good QB play so your point of reference is skewed.
    ____________________________________

    No, I just dont think you have a clue. If you seriously, think there are 15, let alone 18 QB’s in the NFL better than Flacco. Ask any GM around the NFL and the guy is in the top 12, atleast. And by saying he’s in the bottom half of QB’s in the NFL, you are absolutely saying he’s a bad QB.

    I watch plenty of football, from the sounds of it, much more than you. And I am sure I watch Flacco a hell of a lot more than you. I’ve watched every NFL game he’s played. You’ve probably only watched the guy 15 times, thats not even half of his career. So how you can be the judge and claim that there are so many players better than him when ALL the statistics say otherwise, is beyond me.

  72. fullerman says: Jun 27, 2011 2:11 PM

    Brady, Manning, Brees, Big Ben, Rivers, Rodgers,Mattie Ice, E.Manning, Vick, Schaub, C Palmer, Romo, Cutler, Freeman…All of these QB ARE BETTER THAN FLACCO…..

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