Your argument is basically “I like Flacco LA LA LA LA LA LA” with your fingers in your ears.

I never said he was bad. But he is not a top 15 QB. A top 15 QB would do more with the resources at his disposal. Maybe as a Ravens fan you aren’t used to seeing good QB play so your point of reference is skewed.
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No, I just dont think you have a clue. If you seriously, think there are 15, let alone 18 QB’s in the NFL better than Flacco. Ask any GM around the NFL and the guy is in the top 12, atleast. And by saying he’s in the bottom half of QB’s in the NFL, you are absolutely saying he’s a bad QB.

I watch plenty of football, from the sounds of it, much more than you. And I am sure I watch Flacco a hell of a lot more than you. I’ve watched every NFL game he’s played. You’ve probably only watched the guy 15 times, thats not even half of his career. So how you can be the judge and claim that there are so many players better than him when ALL the statistics say otherwise, is beyond me.

If you think I need a thesaurus to communicate, it tells me either that you were poorly educated or you were incapable of comprehending knowledge presented to you. Either way, it translates to you being ill-equipped at anything involving cognitive function.

To wit, 10:20 a.m. is the site post time under Eastern Standard. It’s 7:20 a.m. here in southern California. Somehow, your 5 watt brain deduced that I am home posting to PFT at 10:20 a.m. and am thus, unemployed. Memo to peabrain: it’s NOT 10:20 a.m. EVERYWHERE. We live on a sphere – it’s called the earth. It’s round and 3 dimensional. Pay attention next time in third grade science class.

Want to shut up the Steelers? Beat them when it counts. Beat them in the playoffs.

And this is coming from a Ravens fan.

Wow get a life child. You’re not even worth the time. Keep using your thesaurus buddy, I’m sure your political science degree will carry you far in life. Tell me what’s someone dong on PFT, typing angry rebuttals at 10:20am? Keep collecting those unemployment paychecks.

Cheers!

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This is why Deb is a lot more fun to clown around with. At least she is very articulate and can fire up some angles worthy of respect.

Not you though.

No sir – not at all.

Just take a good look at yourself.

You speak of 30packs, ikea and people in their mommy’s basement. Notice the utter absence of wit or even a trace of intellect or creativity from the author?

Your “tough guy” talk is even shoddy at an amateurish standard.

You communicate like a child; a child who has been dreadfully educated.

It’s comical you talk about how Flacco is going to bust open a 55 gallon drum of whoop ass on the Steelers when it’s never happened with Ben not either injured or suspended … ever.

Then you make the (yawn) predictable “You must not watch the game” retort … yet offer no factual buttressing other than to make up fairy tales about my annual salary.

If you study really hard for the Final and catch a few breaks, you might be able to graduate up to full Pea Brain status. Study hard Poindexter.

I never said he was bad. But he is not a top 15 QB. A top 15 QB would do more with the resources at his disposal. Maybe as a Ravens fan you aren’t used to seeing good QB play so your point of reference is skewed.

Active QBs that would do more than Flacco has done if they had the same team around him:

P Manning
Brady
Brees
Rodgers
Rivers
Roethlisberger
Palmer
Vick
Freeman
Cassel
Ryan
Orton
Romo
Cutler
Schaub
E Manning
Stafford
Bradford
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Just like I thought. Guys who havent proven a damn thing or who are just considerably worse. The first 6 are the guys I named myself, so get them out of there.

Carson Palmer- haha. Johnson and Houshmanzadah in their primes are much better than Mason and Boldin on the downside of their careers. Carson had both those guys until up to two years ago and he’s got two playoff trips and ZERO playoff victories in 7 years as an NFL starter. Flacco has been in the league 4 years less and he’s already got more playoff trips and victories.

Cassell- I am sure you saw that Ravens vs. Chiefs playoff game. If not let me save you some trouble, Flacco was by far the better QB on the field that day and he was playing for the road team. The Chiefs had him under just as much pressure (they did get 5 sacks) and he stepped up and led his team to victory while Cassell folded like a lawn chair. He looked like a freaking rookie that never played an NFL game. So, yeah lol for this one to.

Cutler- Yeah, whatever. Cutler has had the big time weapons around him and he didnt win when he had them. Infact, he was and still is a turnover machine.

Schuab- Yeah, he’s only had the best wr in the NFL, the guys has no help at all. Bull crap. He’s not a winner.

Orton- Is a product of Josh McDanials system. He never put up those kinds of numbers without McD and he wont now that he doesnt have him anymore. Watch. And even still he’s not a winner.

Romo- Same thing as Palmer. This guy had an all star cast in Dallas, still does. I’d trade the Ravens entire team for the talent that Romo has had on offense. Witten, Owens, Barber, Bryant, Williams, Austin…. All that talent equals 1 playoff win. I am not impressed.

Stafford and Bradford are just to funny to even comment. I dont know which is funnier. The rookie or the guy who has the best young WR in the game but cant stay healthy. I’ll take neither.

Vick,Ryan, Freeman, and E. Manning. Are the guys that are in about the same class as Flacco.

Ryan and Flacco’s numbers are so close its a wonder the media has placed Ryan on such a pedestal. I wouldnt trade Flacco for him.

Vick, some days I would and some days I wouldnt.

Freeman, he’s got to perform like Flacco against a top flight schedule. That easy peasy crap he had last year just isnt going to cut it but call me unimpressed with no wins vs. teams with a winning record. But he’s a possibility. I like him.

E. Manning, is the guy most people compare Flacco to. I wouldnt trade Flacco for him. Flacco’s career has gotten off to a much better start and Eli like Cutler is a turnover machine. No thanks.

I’ll throw in another guy, Mark Sanchez, because he seems to get dogged just like Flacco. But Sanchez is a winner. He always steps up in the post season. I still wouldnt trade Flacco for him though.

What a joke of a response. Ya, he hasn’t played well, not always his fault though. You must not watch the game. You probably sit back on your ikea furniture and down your monthly paycheck (which probably isnt even for an annual salary) on a 30pack. I bet you wave your silly towel around and think Ben is a saint.

You contribute nothing to society.

“Can’t wait till Flacco lights up the Steelers secondary. They’ll be on here so fast two minutes before the game only to crawl back into mommy’s basement when it’s over. Rip on me all you want but, Ravens will win the AFCN. I guarantee it (sue me Rex).”

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Settle down pissant – have you any familiarity whatsoever with how Flacco has fared in his career against the Steelers defense? His passer rating over those games is LESS than Ryan Leaf’s.

Any idea how many times Flacco has won when faced off against Ben?

Hint One: Carrottop has engineered as many victories over the Roethlisberger-led Steelers as Joe Flacco has.

Hint Two: Take the size of your unit at full attention. Subtract 4 inches. You will find your answer there “Ravenator.”

Rip on me all you want but, Ravens will win the AFCN. I guarantee it (sue me Rex).

P Manning
Brady
Brees
Rodgers
Rivers
Roethlisberger
Palmer
Vick
Freeman
Cassel
Ryan
Orton
Romo
Cutler
Schaub
E Manning
Stafford
Bradford

Anyone familiar with Granny Holtz regularly praising schools like Rhode Island Polytechnic Institute as the second coming of the ’80′s Hurricanes knows what I’m driving at.

Give the devil his due … as someone familiar with the poor-mouthin’ ways of “Granny” Holtz … that was hilarious.

Correct that Woodley can back up his talk … unlike Anthony Smith who embarrassed himself and the team in 2007. It doesn’t have anything to do with fear but with pride. I was raised on the tenets of Bear Bryant: When you win, act like you’ve been there before.

@ Steeler’s Will

Must have I hit a nerve. You have about as much class as all the Steeler players you root for with your Bung this and Bungle that. Let’s see, we only have to go back 2 seasons to find that your self-rightous Steelers were swept by the lowly “Bungles”. So, “recently” both teams are 2-2 against each other over the past two seasons. My point is that comments like Woodly’s take away from all the winning the Steeler’s have accomplished. Do you hear Patriots players mouthing off? Colts? Saints? I used to like the Steelers in the 70′s. They had class. Now? Not so much.
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You’re the one with the tender nerve exposed if you think the term “Bungles” shows a lack of class, OR you don’t know anything about the Steelers of the 70′s or the Bengals of the 70′s if you don’t know where there term “Bungles” comes from. Which is it? Oh and once again…Gratz on that season sweep 2 years ago. Pittsburgh’s been to the Super Bowl since then, the Ravens continue to make playoff appearances, and the Browns are making progress by leaps and bounds, complete with their new stud QB to lead them into the future. What have the Bengals been up to?

Inspiring the other team with bulletin board is for people like Lou Holtz to tremble over.

Anyone familiar with Granny Holtz regularly praising schools like Rhode Island Polytechnic Institute as the second coming of the ’80′s Hurricanes knows what I’m driving at.

The guess here is that Wood, Harrison, Timmons have nothing but contempt for those timid souls who are mortified that it might create “bulletin board material.” BFD. These boyz aint soft – they embrace it – and will proceed to lay the lumber from the opening whistle to the echo of the gun at the end of the game.

Buckle up Mister Joseph Flacco – it’s gonna be a bumpy ride for you come opening day … provided the labor strife is resolved sufficiently in advance.

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…Nor is your grammar. Go back to grade school silly child.

He is a lower-to-middle-tier QB and there are 18 active QBs I would take over him.

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I can promise you are just about the only one. And I dare you to name 18 guys that you’d rather have over Flacco. I bet more than half of them will either be guys like David Gerrard or Tony Romo, who have careers twice as long as his but have accomplished much less or guys like Matthew Stafford, Colt McCoy, or Sam Bradford who havent proven a damn thing to be put above him.

There are 6 QB’s that I would take hands down over Flacco and after that it gets dicey. Brady, Manning, Brees, Rivers, Rodgers, and Jen. After that you can name any QB in the NFL and Flacco compares favorably or equally to them in some way.

#1, yes I’m a Colts fan. But that is irrelevant, because #2, Joe Flacco isn’t that good. He has an excellent defense (3 future HOFers in Lewis, Reed, and Ngata) to get him the ball back consistently, arguably the best offensive line in the NFL to protect him, a great RB and lead blocker tandem in Ray Rice and Le’Ron McClain to take the pressure off of him further, and 3 really solid-or-better receiving targets in Boldin, Mason, and Heap.

No other QB in the NFL is set up to succeed like Flacco. But he’s just a cog in the wheel. He doesn’t lead the team to anything. He is along for the ride. He is a lower-to-middle-tier QB and there are 18 active QBs I would take over him.
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My argument is simple, if you think Flacco is just a product of his environment how come the Ravens were never successful with Kyle Boller? They had a tremendous defense back than to, better than today because Reed and Lewis were in their primes. They had a Todd Heap in his prime. Boller had Derrick Mason. Boller had an offensive line anchored by a 1 st ballot hall of famer in Ogden. And although he didnt have Ray Rice, he did have a 2000 yard bell cow in Jamal Lewis. So, why has Flacco been able to go to the playoffs 3 years in a row with this team and Boller couldnt get there once with teams that were as talented as the one Flacco had his rookie year? Because Flacco is GOOD QB and Boller was not.

Flacco hasnt had all these offensive weapons around him his entire career and if you think he’s got such a great offensive line you CLEARLY dont watch Ravens football. Take a look at the numbers for the Ravens running game, they were all down this year because of that offensive line that you think is so great was just average.

All the criticism that Flacco gets you’d think he was entering year 7 without a ring like Manning. The guy is going into his 4th NFL season.

Must have I hit a nerve. You have about as much class as all the Steeler players you root for with your Bung this and Bungle that. Let’s see, we only have to go back 2 seasons to find that your self-rightous Steelers were swept by the lowly “Bungles”. So, “recently” both teams are 2-2 against each other over the past two seasons. My point is that comments like Woodly’s take away from all the winning the Steeler’s have accomplished. Do you hear Patriots players mouthing off? Colts? Saints? I used to like the Steelers in the 70′s. They had class. Now? Not so much.

Look I’m a Peyton fan but these are two different QBs. Yes Peyton had thrown for more yards and TDs and had made it to the league’s popularity contest but where did all of those yards and TDs get his team those years? It got him an incredible 3-13 record in ’98. Those numbers were good enough to get his team an excellent record in ’99 and a solid record in ’00. And what did the Colts do with those playoff berths? A 3 point loss to TEN in the divisional round and an OT loss to MIA in a wild card matchup? Gee you’d think this amazing QB would have made a few plays in those games early in his career but apparently he and his team couldnt
This sound familiar, kinda like, *gasp* Flacco and the Ravens ’08-’10..but that wasn’t Peyton’s fault then though right? He was still a young improving QB like *gasp again* Flacco is right now! Flacco probably will never consistently throw for 4000+ yds and prob never throw 40+ TDs but these Ravens have had just as much if not more success than Peyton and the Colts in their first 3 years and Ikll take that over Pro Bowls every day.

is your middle name “run-on sentences”?

I have never seen a more scrutinized QB in his first 3 years in the league, much less them being 3 successful years. To all of the haters, please tell me where Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, and Drew Brees were after their 3rd years in the league? I’m not saying he is in their realm right now, Flacco still has plenty of room for improvement in multiple facets of his game, but the key is he HAS improved every year and there is no reason to think he won’t. He knows it starts week 1 and I have a feeling a lot of you are gonna be surprised its not goin g to go the way you armchair QBs think.

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Let’s see here. Manning and Brady had both been to a Pro Bowl after 3 years. Brees went to his first in his 4th year. And Rodgers sat behind Brett Favre for 3 years (so you can’t really rip on him for that) but went to a Pro Bowl in his 2nd year as a starter and won a Super Bowl in his 3rd. So please stop trying to compare Flacco to any of them.

Woodley has been on the winning side far more than Flacco has, so that says it all.
Want to shut him up Joe?……do it on the field.

Personally, I dont think you can, but beating them is the only reply that will carry any weight.

I have never seen a more scrutinized QB in his first 3 years in the league, much less them being 3 successful years. To all of the haters, please tell me where Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, and Drew Brees were after their 3rd years in the league? I’m not saying he is in their realm right now, Flacco still has plenty of room for improvement in multiple facets of his game, but the key is he HAS improved every year and there is no reason to think he won’t. He knows it starts week 1 and I have a feeling a lot of you are gonna be surprised its not goin g to go the way you armchair QBs think.
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You apparently weren’t watching football in the late 90s/early 00s when Manning was in his first 3 years.

And to answer your question, Manning in his 3rd year had thrown over 4000 yards twice, 26 or more TDs all three years, and completed over 62% of his passes in 2 of 3 seasons. By contrast Flacco still hasn’t thrown for more yards or TDs than Manning did in his rookie year. And in case you don’t know, the Colts had a comparably worse WR corps, defense, and OL.

Flacco is a solid game-managing QB. There’s nothing necessarily wrong with that. It frees up more cap room for other positions if that’s how you want to build your team. And sure, he may get better, who knows. But he’s just not going to carry your team consistently. It’s not who he is as a player.

ENOUGH SAID!