@1historian

I love how you simply present facts and still someone gives you the thumbs down.

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My thumbs down was because he obviously was putting down the Patriots, with no real reason explained.

Who can possibly fault Kraft for paying for his own stadium. All owners should do it, not the taxpayers!

Why don’t they split the pot 50/50. That way the players share in the upside, the owners get to spread the pain on the downside….

Well that might be too simple, why don’t the owners take $1 Billion off the top for operating expenses and paying their children. Then split the remaining pie 60/40 in favor of the players.

I was not delivering a treatise on how the economy got to where it is, I was only pointing out how wrong ironhawk is about the cause of it being businesses just trying to be greedy. It would help the economy for businesses to invest more and hire people, but they aren’t going to do it if it doesn’t make sense. With the uncertain tax rates, they won’t take the risk.

My only disagreement with what you say is that the government pressured banks and mortgage lenders to lend money to people who were very bad risks so that more people could own homes.

” I expect the owners to take a page out of Hollywood’s book and rig their books to show that successful films were actually financial flops.”

Exactly. Kraft and Ross are pandering. Why else would they go straight to the media with this? The old CBA was based on splitting a percentage of revenue. So why are they concerned about sharing revenue that doesn’t come in? They don’t have to split what they don’t have.
If revenue goes down so far that the clubs can’t make their operating budgets, then who cares? The league would be done.
The owners want to do as much of this on pecentages as possible, because they keep the books. And they also have a track record of screwing the players (see lockout insurance).

As a season tix holder to the Phins, i agree completely; It is funny how EVERONE wanted HWH gone, well he is gone,kinda..owns 5%.
Forbes projects the Dolphins lose over 10,000,000.00 per year. Ross paid 1.1 BILLION for the team and he is on the job,learning what it takes to be an owner of a team and he has had a few misteps on the way.EVER ONE one of you would have bitched he if did not chase the so called hottest coach of the month prospect! I personaly like Sparano and giving time, it will all come together.

They will give us football back. Not have to cancel any games. Compress an entire offseason into 2-3 weeks. And get the players into training camps.

Then, they will be able to secure some very lucrative TV rights deals, and we’ll never worry about a ‘true down’ again.

If on the other hand, they drag this out and start cancelling games, ‘true down’ or not the pie will shrink.

But hey, what could be more fun than countless stories on the NFL lockout? Yet another political debate, only this time on a website spotlighting professional football!

I imagine *that* is where there thumbs down are coming from. Take that junk back to the cable news sites.

Keep in mind the following points related to Ross as an owner:

-It’s not his fault that the team only won a single home game last year. He isn’t coach, GM, or Parcels. Likewise he trusted “football minds” to get the job done, and the team is on the upswing.

-The whole Sparano fiasco happened because he wanted to improve his team’s chance of winning more home games, ignorant as his efforts were.

-Since buying the majority shares of the Dolphins he has lost money because of the bad economy. It’s easy to imagine any one of us acting similarly when that is taken into account.

I miss Wayne Huizenga too. But trust me… things could be much much worse in terms of ownership. Try being a Toronto Maple Leafs fan.

Did you write this just to get sane people going? You can’t possibly believe that the economy is bad because all the businesses decided to fire people and cut wages so they can make more money. Businesses make money by growing, not by shrinking. So the economy would be better if businesses just spent more money? If they had the money, they’d spend it! But guess where the money is? It’s being taxed at the highest corporate tax rate in the world to pay for your buddy’s $14.6 trillion dollar deficit! Cut taxes and make the tax rates permanent so companies can make long-term investments without fear that they won’t be able to afford them in the near future! That’s how they’re going to start spending money and hiring people!

The economy is bad because billionaire company owners like himself, are saving money by cutting wages, employment, and spending. The economy is bad, unemployment is up, but most companies are doing better than ever and the rich executives are richer than ever. If he’s truly worried about the economy, than he needs to spend more money and start hiring people. But he won’t, because that would reduce his own personal profits.
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Kraft hasn’t cut salary of a single staff person associated with the Pats AFAIK.
The paper and packaging co he also runs, I have no idea…but I bet you don’t either.
Most companies are doing better than ever huh? What company do you run that is?
I don’t know of many private companies that are doing better now (profit margin wise) than they were 5 years ago but I will stand corrected if you run one/can give NFL owner run example.

I love how you simply present facts and still someone gives you the thumbs down.

I sincerely hope it doesn’t happen, but it looks brutal.

How could anyone ever expect there never would be a turn down in the economy.

It has always happened and always will.

I mean, how did the NFL do after the 2008 downturn??

Pretty well from everything I’ve seen, even in Detroit where it hit the hardest…

January 20, 2009:

Gasoline – $1.83 per gallon. Today – $3.75 per gallon. Up 104% – more than double.

Unemployment 1/20/09 – 7.3%. Today 9.1% – +25%

National Debt – 1/20/09 – $10.3 trillion. Today – $14.1 trillion. Up 35%.
Let’s write that out – $14,100,000,000,000.
That’s a lot of money.
What UPturn were they talking about?

Source – Meet The Press June 12, 2011.

FYI – I used to be a semi-fan of Robert Kraft owing to the fact that he financed the stadium where the Patriots play. Then I was multidudinous pictures of him with his very special Donald Trump partying in RK’s suite. Turned me off BIG time.

Yes – it’s his money and he can do whatever he pleases with it. It is also MY TV and I can either turn to another channel or turn it off or turn to another channel or walk the dog.

Also in these “talks” is either side talking about what to do about high ticket prices, high concession prices, and how much it costs to park just to go to a game?

Oh wait. The players and the owners only care about themselves and not about us. How stupid of me to even think that someone gives a damn about the fans.

The same principle applies here, and the players should absolutely agree to a true-down formula as well. It’s all well and good to make a lot of money when things are going well, but you need to share in the sacrifices when things don’t go as planned.