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Wilf ready to kick in another $30 million for Vikings stadium

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Dr. Emmett Brown once said, “Where we’re going, we don’t need roads.”  Unfortunately, that concept doesn’t apply to the Minnesota Vikings and the new stadium they covet.

As the Arden Hill proposal moves into crunch time for 2011 — and, quite possibly, a “now or never” phase — owners Zygi Wilf has decided that, in order to pay for improvements to the roads around the chosen site, now is the time to increase his contribution.  Specifically, Sid Hartman of the Minneapolis Star Tribune reports that owner Zygi Wilf recently agreed to kick another $30 million onto a pile of cash from the team and the league that previously totaled $407 million.

The extra money would help defray the estimated $131 million needed to improve the roads.  Governor Mark Dayton has said that the state is willing to contribute a maximum of $300 million to the stadium project, but that no additional money would be available for the roads.

The parties are trying to finalize a proposal in the immediate future, in the hopes that a special session of the Minnesota Legislature will approve the overall project.

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  1. swede700 says: Jun 20, 2011 12:21 PM

    Git ‘r done.

  2. dannymac17 says: Jun 20, 2011 12:22 PM

    If thats not a sign of the Vikings wanting to stay in Minn, then I dont know what is.

  3. carlgerbschmidt says: Jun 20, 2011 12:24 PM

    That’s great, now all he has to do is agree to kick in the other 101 million, of course, even he does once those fans get the public funding portion of the stadium placed on a referendum, it’s all over…

  4. hobartbaker says: Jun 20, 2011 12:25 PM

    Minnesota legislators who travelled abroad were impressed with the new road maintenance technology known as “pavement”, but were shocked at how expensive it was.

  5. b7p19 says: Jun 20, 2011 12:27 PM

    It would be sad to see the Vikings leave Minn.

  6. twitter:Chapman_Jamie says: Jun 20, 2011 12:27 PM

    See, the owners DO need that extra cash!

  7. lovesportsandsurfing says: Jun 20, 2011 12:27 PM

    Z is lying, he has no intentions of kicking in a penny,…all this is is for PR…when the Vikes follow the Lakers to LA he will be able to say at least he tried to keem them up north,…hes a liar, not buyin it.

  8. prior0knowledge says: Jun 20, 2011 12:30 PM

    What is so special about $300M? As Dilbert says about the appeal of nice round numbers, they are usually fake.

    If Minnesota loses the Vikings, then Minnesota will be just another cold Northern state like Montana or North Dakota. Having the Vikings increases the quality of life in Minnesota many fold. They would be foolish and short-sighted to allow the Vikings to leave because of a temporary budget squeeze.

  9. sterling7 says: Jun 20, 2011 12:33 PM

    The stadium will be built-in Arden Hills! The strike will end-in 2-3 weeks!

  10. pacificamjr says: Jun 20, 2011 12:35 PM

    your 2013 LA Queens!

  11. jw731 says: Jun 20, 2011 12:38 PM

    This is like me saying to one of my sons……Hungry?…….Let’s go get a taco bell 12 pack……

  12. Wisconsin77 says: Jun 20, 2011 12:38 PM

    Wilf is doing everything he can to keep the Vikings in Minnesota. If they leave, the people of Minnesota have nobody to blame but themselves.

  13. thephantomstranger says: Jun 20, 2011 12:40 PM

    This is only my humble opinion and I hope I don’t offend anyone by stating it: I believe that the stadium deal will get done. Please forgive my insolence.

  14. descendency says: Jun 20, 2011 12:46 PM

    prior0knowledge says:
    Jun 20, 2011 12:30 PM
    What is so special about $300M? As Dilbert says about the appeal of nice round numbers, they are usually fake.

    ———————————-

    When you do an estimate, you get a rough figure then you round up to correct for possible errors.

  15. carlgerbschmidt says: Jun 20, 2011 12:47 PM

    prior0knowledge says:
    Jun 20, 2011 12:30 PM
    What is so special about $300M? As Dilbert says about the appeal of nice round numbers, they are usually fake.

    If Minnesota loses the Vikings, then Minnesota will be just another cold Northern state like Montana or North Dakota. Having the Vikings increases the quality of life in Minnesota many fold. They would be foolish and short-sighted to allow the Vikings to leave because of a temporary budget squeeze.

    ___________

    I disagree. If the vikes leave, then minnysotans will get to watch more Packer games on tv. THAT would actually improve their quality of life…

  16. theytukrjobs says: Jun 20, 2011 12:48 PM

    Since Zygi is helping pay for State roads that need to be fixed with or without the stadium (and are actually scheduled for repair) I think Zygi should at least get naming rights for the road.

    It is hysterically idiotic that Dayton sits there with his “no more than 300 million” stance when the road upgrades are needed anyways and would really benefit MN citizens during rush hour. I can see him not wanting to pay for the whole thing since we can put it off for 5 years without a stadium.

    But if we lose the Vikings because Dayton didn’t want to pay 100 million for a 131 million upgrade for state roads, upgrades that are overdue already, then we officially have the most dense politicians on earth.

    “I realize that it is the right thing to do, and refreshing to have a private entity subsidize a public fund, but 300 is such a nice round number so dur duh dur”. -Mark Dayton, former politician.

  17. ponderqb says: Jun 20, 2011 12:48 PM

    This deal is going to get done, the Wilfs don’t like LA and that they have other local businesses that are growing rapidly in MN. The Wilf family is going to stay and so are the Vikings, don’t let this omit the fact that the Wilfs are business minded and if they can get extra coin why not try to spice up the potto save some coin from their own pocket. This has nothing to do with moving to LA, it’s simply buisness minds at work trying to get money from the state to help out.

  18. contra74 says: Jun 20, 2011 12:49 PM

    pacificamjr says:
    Jun 20, 2011 12:35 PM
    your 2013 LA Queens!
    ——–
    I see…youre trying to be funny.

  19. spanky317 says: Jun 20, 2011 12:51 PM

    forget the roof. keep the dome for monster trucks and roller derby. its still good enough for that and paid for. the team and county pays for stadium and the state can build the roads. problems solved. bring back the true black and blue division! maybe even do a few wild games outside in the new stadium. snowmobile races. get creative and get it done.

  20. tunescribe says: Jun 20, 2011 12:56 PM

    Will this be an outdoor stadium? I hope so.

  21. christhefish says: Jun 20, 2011 12:56 PM

    Bless you, Mr. Wilf! You are definitely doing your share. Sadly, it will never happen…

  22. danimalk82 says: Jun 20, 2011 1:00 PM

    Since the Vikings continuously dig through the Packers trash in an attempt to taste success, why don’t they do it again and sell “stock” to fans in order to pay for the new stadium. The Packers did it back in 1997-1998 and look at where the organization is now… #1 in all of sports!

    Feel free to click the thumbs up icon.

  23. vikefan says: Jun 20, 2011 1:01 PM

    Time & time again the Wilf family has gone above and beyond any calling that any other NFL owner has done to invest in a team and make it better both for the establishment itself and for the community for which it resides. This is another HUGE step showing the Wilfs are digging in & currently have NO intentsions of leaving MN. And once again MN governor & legislature the ball is now in your court to get a budget deal done to move on with this Vikings bill. Dont get it done and you all can start planning to enter the unemployment line just like all the construction & retail workers that you failed to keep jobs in MN cause of the team u left leave the state.

  24. dknice says: Jun 20, 2011 1:10 PM

    Since Zygi is helping pay for State roads that need to be fixed with or without the stadium (and are actually scheduled for repair) I think Zygi should at least get naming rights for the road.

    It is hysterically idiotic that Dayton sits there with his “no more than 300 million” stance when the road upgrades are needed anyways and would really benefit MN citizens during rush hour. I can see him not wanting to pay for the whole thing since we can put it off for 5 years without a stadium.

    But if we lose the Vikings because Dayton didn’t want to pay 100 million for a 131 million upgrade for state roads, upgrades that are overdue already, then we officially have the most dense politicians on earth.

    “I realize that it is the right thing to do, and refreshing to have a private entity subsidize a public fund, but 300 is such a nice round number so dur duh dur”. -Mark Dayton, former politician.

    ===================================
    Listen, can’t get blood from a stone. These states are going bankrupt due to these greedy teachers, policemen, and firefighters. We can’t go handing out $300 millions in corporate welfare if we don’t have the money. Times are tough and tough decisions need to be made. See you later, it’s time to take America back from these liberals who continue to spend on these large corporate projects that bring low paying, seasonal jobs to the area. The only ones that benefit are the rich owners. Ron Paul in 2012!!!

  25. clintonportisheadd says: Jun 20, 2011 1:19 PM

    dannymac17 says: Jun 20, 2011 12:22 PM

    If thats not a sign of the Vikings wanting to stay in Minn, then I dont know what is.

    ———————-

    It’s not.

    “Upon reflection, and noting that the State of Minn has a 5 BILLION dollar deficit and vital services to it’s residents (of which I am not one) are being cut, I have decided it’s inappropriate to ask taxpayers to help pay even one penny for my please palace of which I will be the sole owner and derive all financial benefit. Therefore I will do what every other business in American does when it wants a new headquarters-I will pay for it myself.”

    Ziggy Wilf.

    THAT IS!!!

  26. thephantomstranger says: Jun 20, 2011 1:22 PM

    Can I make a suggestion? Again, I don’t mean to offend anyone with my opinion. The Arden Hills stadium proposal includes a retractable roof. Just make it a fixed roof and you knock at least $100 million off the cost of the project. Boom, there’s your roads. For those of you looking for an open-air stadium, it can’t happen because they wouldn’t be able to get the revenue for hosting Final Fours and other indoor activities. Who needs a retractable roof?

  27. kotapug says: Jun 20, 2011 1:30 PM

    I’m pretty sure the NFL will not let the public own a team anymore. The pack are the only team that is owned that way . And they did it other wise they would not be there anymore.

  28. thephantomstranger says: Jun 20, 2011 1:30 PM

    @clintonpothead -

    Zygi Wilf will not be the sole owner of the stadium. He won’t even be an owner. It will be a public facility. He is offering to pay $437 million towards this public facility because he believes he will get a good return on that investment from the revenue he can generate when his football team plays there. All non-Vikings revenue will go to the state and county. No vital state services will be cut because the money the state is proposing to kick in comes from new sources of revenue (user fees and so forth) that would not be used to fund other services.

    But thank you for offering your opinion, which you have every right to do.

  29. 28purple4mvp says: Jun 20, 2011 1:32 PM

    jw731 says:
    Jun 20, 2011 12:38 PM
    This is like me saying to one of my sons———- god help us all he reproduced

  30. thephantomstranger says: Jun 20, 2011 1:32 PM

    carlgerbschmidt says:
    Jun 20, 2011 12:47 PM
    If Minnesota loses the Vikings, then Minnesota will be just another cold Northern state like Montana or North Dakota. Having the Vikings increases the quality of life in Minnesota many fold. They would be foolish and short-sighted to allow the Vikings to leave because of a temporary budget squeeze.

    ___________

    I disagree. If the vikes leave, then minnysotans will get to watch more Packer games on tv. THAT would actually improve their quality of life…
    ___________

    Have neither of you ever heard of the soon-to-be-WNBA-champion Minnesota Lynx? Hey Carl, what’s the name of the WNBA team in Green Bay? Oh, that’s right…

  31. draftguy says: Jun 20, 2011 1:33 PM

    Carlgerbschmidt…you’re just a Packer fan posting on a Viking article. Anyone would discredit anything you wrote. Who cares what Packer fans think regarding Minnesota Viking news.

    The Vikings are staying in Minnesota. Get use to it.

  32. tombradysponytail says: Jun 20, 2011 1:39 PM

    ephantomstranger says:
    Jun 20, 2011 1:30 PM
    @clintonpothead -

    Zygi Wilf will not be the sole owner of the stadium. He won’t even be an owner. It will be a public facility. He is offering to pay $437 million towards this public facility because he believes he will get a good return on that investment from the revenue he can generate when his football team plays there. All non-Vikings revenue will go to the state and county. No vital state services will be cut because the money the state is proposing to kick in comes from new sources of revenue (user fees and so forth) that would not be used to fund other services.

    But thank you for offering your opinion, which you have every right to do
    _______________

    Did you just get back from your yoga class? Or perhaps an aromatherapy appointment?

  33. theravishingrachelnichols says: Jun 20, 2011 1:42 PM

    @dknice You can’t get blood from a stone. These states are going bankrupt due to these greedy teachers, policemen, and firefighters. Ron Paul in 2012!!!

    ———————————————————————-

    Damn those greedy civil servants and their desire to earn a decent wage for protecting our lives, liberty and property. How dare they!

    This is obviously just a plot fill the coffers at the local St. Paul police station/fire house/public schools with loads of tax payer money! Anyone with half a brain knows that replacing a dump of a stadium with a new, state of the art multi-purpose venue would generate zero income or economic development for the twin cities. Minny should know this by now, just look a the failed Mall of America and Target Field experiments! Those dumps did nothing for the local economy.

    Dude, you have no clue. None. Look at Cincy, replacing Riverdump stadium with Paul Brown and Great American Ballpark completely reinvented the riverfront area of the city. It was expensive and unpopular at the time, but now nobody is saying boo. It brought business to the area, improved the atmosphere and created a great fixture for the community. Being short sighted is a terrible affliction.

    Oh, and Ron Paul is a clown.

  34. carlgerbschmidt says: Jun 20, 2011 1:44 PM

    thephantomstranger says:
    Jun 20, 2011 1:32 PM
    carlgerbschmidt says:
    Jun 20, 2011 12:47 PM
    If Minnesota loses the Vikings, then Minnesota will be just another cold Northern state like Montana or North Dakota. Having the Vikings increases the quality of life in Minnesota many fold. They would be foolish and short-sighted to allow the Vikings to leave because of a temporary budget squeeze.

    ___________

    I disagree. If the vikes leave, then minnysotans will get to watch more Packer games on tv. THAT would actually improve their quality of life…
    ___________

    Have neither of you ever heard of the soon-to-be-WNBA-champion Minnesota Lynx? Hey Carl, what’s the name of the WNBA team in Green Bay? Oh, that’s right…

    ________

    What’s the WNBA?

  35. carlgerbschmidt says: Jun 20, 2011 1:46 PM

    draftguy says:
    Jun 20, 2011 1:33 PM
    Carlgerbschmidt…you’re just a Packer fan posting on a Viking article. Anyone would discredit anything you wrote. Who cares what Packer fans think regarding Minnesota Viking news.

    The Vikings are staying in Minnesota. Get use to it.

    ________

    You misunderstand. I don’t care if the vikes leave Minny. If they stay, we beat them twice during the regular season, if they leave, we beat the Rams. Who cares? Either way is fine with me. Besides, once the games start getting blacked out again, minny residents will get to see more packer games anyway…it’s win-win.

  36. spanky317 says: Jun 20, 2011 1:52 PM

    Open air. I dont care about the final four. play it at the dome. its plenty good for college basketball. plenty good for high school football. indoor baseball for when the twins have to play a world series game in a blizzard. monster trucks. concerts. tractor pulls. dog shows. horseshoe nationals…whatever…the new roof will be good for another 30 years. too many variables with this retractable roof scenario…keep it simple..get it done

  37. Derty Ernie says: Jun 20, 2011 2:06 PM

    Wilf understands in the long run the concessions from parking – which he does not get at the downtown location and other amenities will bring in the bucks over the long haul.

    Wilf has seen the money the Packers stadium brings in even when not in use for football and wants the room to do same that he can’t get in Minneapolis.

    His bean counters know he can kick in mo money for roads and come out ahead.

    If the legislature forces Minneapolis on the Wilfs, me thinks LA comes into play.

  38. mj5150 says: Jun 20, 2011 2:10 PM

    clintoportishead-you’re a moron-the budget is supposed to increase by 6% which would be the state’s largest budget EVER!!-nothing is being cut-Dayton wants 5 more billion-tax & spend tax & spend tax & spend
    the money for the stadium wouldn’t even be from the budget- and they are too chicken s**t to just put slots at the racetracks-a new tax wouldn’t even need to be raised

  39. contra74 says: Jun 20, 2011 2:20 PM

    carlgerbschmidt says:
    Jun 20, 2011 1:46 PM
    draftguy says:
    Jun 20, 2011 1:33 PM
    Carlgerbschmidt…you’re just a Packer fan posting on a Viking article. Anyone would discredit anything you wrote. Who cares what Packer fans think regarding Minnesota Viking news.

    The Vikings are staying in Minnesota. Get use to it.

    ________

    You misunderstand. I don’t care if the vikes leave Minny. If they stay, we beat them twice during the regular season, if they leave, we beat the Rams. Who cares? Either way is fine with me. Besides, once the games start getting blacked out again, minny residents will get to see more packer games anyway…it’s win-win.
    ———–
    So now you can tell the future? Amazing…how many powerball wins do you have?

  40. krow101 says: Jun 20, 2011 2:27 PM

    I wish I was rich. Then I could say things like ‘give me a billion dollars and I’ll kick in 30 million’ … and people would act like I was doing something noble.

  41. kevinfromth says: Jun 20, 2011 2:27 PM

    Arden Hills is a wasteland. The stadium should be in Minneapolis close to Target Field, or in Saint Paul close to the Xcel Energy Center.

  42. anarchopurplism says: Jun 20, 2011 2:32 PM

    Any Packer fan that actually desires to see the Vikings leave for LA is a two-bit punk with less than satisfying junk.

    The lore of the Vikes is good for the NFL & the border battle should be celebrated in both states.

    You should draw more satisfaction from being champs and beating your opponent than wishing their fans ill-will.

  43. gergie1957 says: Jun 20, 2011 2:38 PM

    “GET IT DONE”

  44. imongo says: Jun 20, 2011 2:42 PM

    GOOD

  45. theytukrjobs says: Jun 20, 2011 2:42 PM

    People do realize that the Twin Cities have about every professional sports team there is, right? We have three, count them three, different teams that regularly sell out (Vikings, Twins, Wild) their stadiums. And the Wolves…who technically exist so good for them too.

    Minnesota has the highest per capita ticket sales for professional sports. Not the biggest market by any means but a strong market that loves them some sports.

    The odds of the Vikings moving right now, with their popularity and an owner that wants them to stay, are pretty low.

    I understand what people say about balancing the budget and the state being broke. But you have to understand that the state “saving” a few million a year for the next 25 years by getting rid of the NFL isn’t going to fix a 5 billion dollar budget.

    The stadium pays for a portion of itself through taxes and events and what not, so the true cost isn’t very high.

  46. johnnyjagfan says: Jun 20, 2011 2:53 PM

    If I was Zigi Wilf I’d buy the land the roads would go through, contract with a toll operator to manage the roads and charge people to use the road, with extra toll charges for Game Days or other major events. If the government doesn’t want to pay for the road, there’s plenty of private sector firms that would do it and pay for the road up front for the right to toll it.

  47. carlgerbschmidt says: Jun 20, 2011 2:53 PM

    @contra74 says:
    Jun 20, 2011 2:20 PM

    So now you can tell the future? Amazing…how many powerball wins do you have?

    ____________

    I don’t play the lottery. I can’t imagine a bigger waste of my money (other than paying for Zygi’s stadium, of course). Even if I did, it’s one thing to successfully pick a random series of 6 numbers and another to come to a reasonable conclusion about how many times the reigning Super Bowl champions are going to beat a minnesota vikings football team that is in full-blown re-building mode. Oh, and there’s a lockout, the team has a brand new head coach and a rookie qb (who aren’t allowed to talk because of said lockout), aging offensive and defensive lines, and finally, a pathetic secondary.

    I gotta say, I like our chances.

  48. shaggytoodle says: Jun 20, 2011 2:59 PM

    Wilf starts @ 0 and keeps talking about how hes going to kick extra cash in. Kind of starting low, and milk as much as he can out of the tax payers.

    In all honesty, as a Packer fan the rivalry is too much fun. Sure tons of people come here and give each other a bunch of crap and some fans take it too seriously and have donkey-like moments, but for the fans of both teams that do give each other grief, thats part of the fun of sports. Viking nation wouldn’t post on PFT ever again, and that doesn’t sound very fun.

    Keep the Queens in Minny!

  49. spanky317 says: Jun 20, 2011 3:05 PM

    does every house in and around green bay have basement apartments for packers fans to rent from their parents?? ive never gone on a packer thread in my life. i could care less about packer news. we get it…your team won the super bowl. LAST SEASON. now we are on a new season. (well almost) anything can happen…for all any of us know the lions will win the division.

  50. jimmysee says: Jun 20, 2011 3:18 PM

    Cool! That $30 mil nearly pays for the interest in the revenue bonds in LA for relocating the Convention Center!

    We’re almost there!

  51. skimbell says: Jun 20, 2011 3:19 PM

    “b7p19 says:
    Jun 20, 2011 12:27 PM
    It would be sad to see the Vikings leave Minn.”

    Believe me, it’s just as sad seeing the Vikings in Minn.

  52. locutus says: Jun 20, 2011 3:42 PM

    krow101 says: Jun 20, 2011 2:27 PM

    I wish I was rich. Then I could say things like ‘give me a billion dollars and I’ll kick in 30 million’ … and people would act like I was doing something noble.

    With thinking and grammar like that, is it any wonder you are not rich?

  53. thephantomstranger says: Jun 20, 2011 4:46 PM

    theytukrjobs says:
    Jun 20, 2011 2:42 PM
    People do realize that the Twin Cities have about every professional sports team there is, right? We have three, count them three, different teams that regularly sell out (Vikings, Twins, Wild) their stadiums. And the Wolves…who technically exist so good for them too.
    __________________

    You forgot about the Lynx! Soon-to-be WNBA champions, baby! Eat your heart out, Green Bay! Go, Maya Moore! Go, Rebecca Brunson! Go, Lindsay Whalen! Go, Siemone Augustus!

    Oh, and the Wolves will be selling out too as soon as everyone catches Ricky Rubio Fever!

  54. thephantomstranger says: Jun 20, 2011 4:49 PM

    carlgerbschmidt says:
    Jun 20, 2011 2:53 PM
    I don’t play the lottery. I can’t imagine a bigger waste of my money (other than paying for Zygi’s stadium, of course). Even if I did, it’s one thing to successfully pick a random series of 6 numbers and another to come to a reasonable conclusion about how many times the reigning Super Bowl champions are going to beat a minnesota vikings football team that is in full-blown re-building mode. Oh, and there’s a lockout, the team has a brand new head coach and a rookie qb (who aren’t allowed to talk because of said lockout), aging offensive and defensive lines, and finally, a pathetic secondary.

    I gotta say, I like our chances.
    _____________

    Hey, Carl. You know what NFL stands for? Not For Long. As in, you say the Vikings are terrible? Not For Long. You say the Packers are world champions? Not For Long.

  55. cosanostra71 says: Jun 20, 2011 5:02 PM

    I harbor no ill will against the Vikings or their fans, and if this doesn’t work out and they end up moving here to LA, you have to put this entirely on the legislature. The ownership group has been very accommodating, the fans have been loyal, the politicians have been… awful.

  56. seals1 says: Jun 20, 2011 5:34 PM

    @jimmysee

    you can’t wait until the Vikings move to LA so you can buy a purple jersey. All your life you have wanted one but your older brother would have beat you up. You are so close to tweeting a picture of yourself in purple,,,,,,,,all they have to do is move the convention center and you will be a fan of the horns. One step closer.

  57. grandpoopah says: Jun 20, 2011 7:02 PM

    Most of the knuckleheads complaining about the state’s reluctance to invest more money in infrastructure on behalf of a profitable, private enterprise are probably the same tea baggers crying about government spending.

  58. carlgerbschmidt says: Jun 20, 2011 7:18 PM

    thephantomstranger says:Jun 20, 2011 4:46 PM

    Oh, and the Wolves will be selling out too as soon as everyone catches Ricky Rubio Fever!
    _________

    rubio can’t even start for his Spanish team…
    “In the two seasons Rubio has played in Spain since he was drafted, he has not lived up to the big potential that people said he possessed. Rubio has only averaged just over 30 percent shooting percentage, just over six points, about four assists and just over one steal per game.

    I know that the league he was playing in was tough, but it is nothing like the NBA. Rubio will be facing the best in the world, and there is no way that he can get away with the showboating moves that he got away with in Spain.”

  59. locutus says: Jun 20, 2011 8:02 PM

    grandpoopah says: Jun 20, 2011 7:02 PM

    Most of the knuckleheads complaining about the state’s reluctance to invest more money in infrastructure on behalf of a profitable, private enterprise are probably the same tea baggers crying about government spending.

    What part of the English language has you stumped? Is it the part where the roads truly are the governments responsibility, yet Wilf is helping chip in? Is it the part where this structure is part of the state and 1) not movable and 2) not sellable? Is it the part where the state will profit handsomely from the Vikings and the complex and is a great business decision? Just what has you “lefties” so flummoxed?

  60. locutus says: Jun 20, 2011 8:04 PM

    You can tell when Gerbil is around as he leaves his “droppings” all over the thread.

  61. stellarperformance says: Jun 20, 2011 9:28 PM

    locutus says: Jun 20, 2011 8:02 PM
    _____________________________________
    grandpoopah says: Jun 20, 2011 7:02 PM

    Most of the knuckleheads complaining about the state’s reluctance to invest more money in infrastructure on behalf of a profitable, private enterprise are probably the same tea baggers crying about government spending.
    ———————————————————————
    locutus: What part of the English language has you stumped? Is it the part where the roads truly are the governments responsibility, yet Wilf is helping chip in? Is it the part where this structure is part of the state and 1) not movable and 2) not sellable? Is it the part where the state will profit handsomely from the Vikings and the complex and is a great business decision? Just what has you “lefties” so flummoxed?
    _______________________________________

    What? What does “lefties” have to do with the opinion from grandpoobah (above?) The teabaggers that decry bailouts of private enterprise ARE the same persons that bemoan government spending. He was simply pointing out that fact. You, on the other hand, are pointing out nothing, other than an ill-informed bias.

  62. locutus says: Jun 20, 2011 10:06 PM

    Not to get off topic, but since you insist for this one time. In reference to the Tea Party, appropriate designations are Tea Party, Tea Party activists, Tea Party members, Tea Party people. Teabaggers is a derogatory term used only by progressive loons. People show their true colors when using such terms or when it does not even register as offensive. The commenter above is a leftist and is not a conservative and I have no idea why he brought it up. Secondly, it makes good business sense from the state perspective to help construct the site for the reasons I cited above. The Tea Party wants, amongst other things, low taxes. The state helping construct a complex with the Vikings does not contradict those ideals. The state would raise taxes and pay for construction of a stadium for another team if the Vikings left anyway. This simply helps keep things easier, less costly and more harmonious. I cannot help that you are too thick to understand such simple ideas.

  63. brewdogg says: Jun 21, 2011 12:52 AM

    carlgerbschmidt says:
    Jun 20, 2011 2:53 PM
    “a minnesota vikings football team that is in full-blown re-building mode.”

    Yeah…. You mean the team returning at least 7 (possibly 9) Pro Bowlers? Yup, full blown, start from scratch, rebuilding….

    “aging offensive and defensive lines”

    The “aging” offensive line will have 2 3rd-year guys and, I believe, a rookie on it. Yup, aging…. And the expected starters on the DL are the over-the-hill ages of 31, 29, 28, and 24. Would you like me to go over the ages of the Packers expected starters?

    “and finally, a pathetic secondary.”

    Middle of the pack in nearly every category, to be truthful. Do you want me to quote the numbers again? And that is with the #2 and #3 CB injured for most of the season. How would GB have held up with Pat Lee, Brandon Underwood, and Josh Gordy out there with Woodson?

    I know you have absolutely no interest in actually posting educated opinions, but when you come with such poorly informed anti-Viking rhetoric, you deserve to be made to look stupid. My guess is you’re used to it, though……

  64. vikefan says: Jun 21, 2011 10:21 AM

    It is very intereasting how time & time again non Vikings out of state supporters continually bash the organization & its fan base while on other topics I see Vikings supporters with nothing but facts, well to do statements, and showing respect with another teams fanbase. Guess it just goes to show where people with a decent education and real sense of humanity reside.

    …….and to those who either do not reside in MN or do not support them, even though u are entitled to your opinion, if you are not a Voting resident of the state of MN, your rhetoric means crap.

  65. dogsweat1 says: Jun 21, 2011 3:39 PM

    A billionaire giving 30 million to a project (he should be paying fully) is like 3 bucks.

    What an insult.

    The state is shutting down on the 1st. That means all who are poor, disabled and downtrodden, will not be helped.

    Of course the billionaire Zygi Wilf needs his stadium money from the state, or else he we leave.

    LOL

  66. vikefan says: Jun 21, 2011 4:03 PM

    A billionaire giving 30 million to a project (he should be paying fully) is like 3 bucks.

    What an insult.

    The state is shutting down on the 1st. That means all who are poor, disabled and downtrodden, will not be helped.

    Of course the billionaire Zygi Wilf needs his stadium money from the state, or else he we leave.

    LOL

    *****************************************
    another uneducated individual not reporting the whole story. this 30 mil is for helping on the road improvement side of the project which are completely owned by city, county, & state. He does not have to fork out a penny for something he does not own, he is being very gracious & generous to the state of MN for road work they are already planning sometime in the next 8 years, you can consider it a gift to the state of MN in exchange for helping build a stadium.

    ……and again, if u think the state is in a bad spot now trying to balance the budget, wait till the purple team leaves, talking bout bitching bout cutbacks, there will be 10x more from the tax revenue gap the Vikings leave behind.

    some of u really need to stop and think b4 opening your mouths.

  67. ponderqb says: Jun 21, 2011 4:23 PM

    Does anyone know where pervy is? I got a feeling he is PA from KFAN…

  68. Robert says: Jun 21, 2011 4:40 PM

    *******another uneducated individual not reporting the whole story. this 30 mil is for helping on the road improvement side of the project which are completely owned by city, county, & state. He does not have to fork out a penny for something he does not own, he is being very gracious & generous to the state of MN for road work they are already planning sometime in the next 8 years, you can consider it a gift to the state of MN in exchange for helping build a stadium. *****

    lol(Playing the uneducated card!!!!) You should read the states constitution!!!!!!

    Listen Vike worshipper.

    It is not the duty of the citizens of Minnesota to pay for Zygi’s luxury venue.

    Newsflash:

    Most of us living in Minnesota are not Vikes Fan.

    It is not fair for us to pay for something we won’t use.

    It is not fair for us(citizens) to pay for some billionaires venue.

    Taking care of the needs of the citizens of Minnesota come first.(Roads,education,needy)

    Taxpayers are not here to fund some billionaires luxury dreams.(Again– read the states constitution)

    30 million out of a billionaires pocket—is nothing.

    If Mr Wolf wants to be gracious—let him pay for his own venue.

    The Vikes can go. Good riddence!!!

    Something else will take it’s place.

    See Cleveland, Baltimore and Houston….

    Those cities received something better.

  69. vikefan says: Jun 21, 2011 5:19 PM

    What has houston received? Baltimore PAID for the stadium, Cleveland paid twice the price to return to NFL glory.

    Zygi is paying 416 mil for a venue to be owned by the state!! he is willing to pay for more than the state is for a stadium to be state owned.

    Lets have the NFL blackout all home games this year or have the Wilfs make them PPV only. Watch the entire state bitch that they cannot watch their favorite team for free. I guarantee you the state wants to keep the Vikings here. Some just dont want to pay for it.

    The roads are owned by state & citzens of mn, yet a private individual wants to help pay for some of it during our time of need & budget crisis.

    It will be a publicly owned stadium so it will be used more than 10 times/year for football games. Vikings will only use it 10-12 times/year yet are willing to pony up more that the entire state.

    you can be a non supporter, but your comments and answers justly prove how little you actually know about this issue & situation. you and all the others that are so concerned about taxes i bet all wish the govt would not have handed out bailout money and see all of thosse ppl in unemployment line also. Again, as a citizen YOU pay either way, wether a new stadium now or raising taxes if the Vikings leave to help fill the gap……

    DO you visit every state park, musuem, county park, theatre, non profit organization in your community or state that is funded by the state? I highly doubt it, this is just another one of those for u.

  70. thephantomstranger says: Jun 21, 2011 5:39 PM

    Robert says:
    Jun 21, 2011 4:40 PM
    lol(Playing the uneducated card!!!!) You should read the states constitution!!!!!!

    Listen Vike worshipper.

    It is not the duty of the citizens of Minnesota to pay for Zygi’s luxury venue.

    Newsflash:

    Most of us living in Minnesota are not Vikes Fan.

    It is not fair for us to pay for something we won’t use.

    It is not fair for us(citizens) to pay for some billionaires venue.

    Taking care of the needs of the citizens of Minnesota come first.(Roads,education,needy)

    Taxpayers are not here to fund some billionaires luxury dreams.(Again– read the states constitution)

    30 million out of a billionaires pocket—is nothing.

    If Mr Wolf wants to be gracious—let him pay for his own venue.

    The Vikes can go. Good riddence!!!

    Something else will take it’s place.

    See Cleveland, Baltimore and Houston….

    Those cities received something better.
    ________________

    Newsflash: The venue doesn’t belong to Mr. “Wolf.” It belongs to the state and the county. These entities will receive revenue from events held at said venue, not to mention property taxes, income taxes, and sales taxes associated with having the stadium and the team in town. Wilf is paying $437 million for this publicly owned stadium.

    Newsflash: Taxpayers pay for things they won’t use all the time. I pay for roads I don’t drive on, bridges I don’t cross, schools I don’t send my kids to, theatres I don’t go to, welfare programs from which I don’t receive benefits, etc.

    Newsflash: The Vikings should leave because Cleveland, Baltimore, and Houston received something better? Those cities had to build brand new, publicly funded, state of the art stadiums to replace the teams they lost! It would have been much cheaper to build the stadiums to keep their teams in the first place than it was to build new stadiums years later and then pay to get a new team.

    Newsflash: You’re a moron.

  71. locutus says: Jun 21, 2011 6:22 PM

    Robert says: Jun 21, 2011 4:40 PM

    Listen Vike worshipper.

    It is not the duty of the citizens of Minnesota to pay for Zygi’s luxury venue.

    No one is saying it is a duty, loser. It is a mutual, beneficial agreement. Both sides benefit from this financial transaction, you know just like it happens in business every single day in every single country across this blue ball.

    Newsflash:

    Most of us living in Minnesota are not Vikes Fan.

    Incorrect, though why does this not surprise me? Over 80% of people want the Vikes to get a new stadium. Over 67% feel the Vikes are an integral part of the fabric of Minnesota.

    It is not fair for us to pay for something we won’t use.

    The a different version of the deadbeat rallying cry. You are not paying for anything unless you use the facilities or live in Ramsey. Living in Ramsey county would add essentially nothing to your real life costs and in the end you benefit from the revenues from the complex.

    It is not fair for us(citizens) to pay for some billionaires venue.

    I knew the previous comment was merely a warmup to the real deadbeat rallying cry which you sing quite well above. You are not paying for it, loser. Wilf is paying for more of it than what he really has to and he is doing it because 1) he is a decent man and 2) he is a businessman that knows you have to pay in order to receive. This very simple business concept is apparently lost on the deadbeats and losers that continue to attempt the rallying cry. The total cost to people in Ramsey County is miniscule for the entire cost of this project and what the Vikings are contributing in order to make money themselves and keep you and others of your ilk from financial oblivion.

    Taking care of the needs of the citizens of Minnesota come first.(Roads,education,needy)

    Not part of this equation, loser. Two separate topics and, as well, Wilf is contributing 1/4 of the cost of roads to the area that he does not have to. Maybe you should send him a thank you card?

    Taxpayers are not here to fund some billionaires luxury dreams.(Again– read the states constitution)

    Deadbeat rallying cry and repeating his ignorant self. See above.

    30 million out of a billionaires pocket—is nothing.

    Deadbeat rallying cry. No concept of what the entire deal involves, yet does not stop him from spouting gibberish.

    If Mr Wolf wants to be gracious—let him pay for his own venue.

    Ummm…that is Wilf, with an I, loser. Secondly, if you can find a way for him reap all the profits without keeping deadbeats out of the welfare line and either moving or selling the stadium as is the case with all other private structures, then let us know and I am sure he would pay for it in a heartbeat. You know why? Because he is not an ignorant deadbeat like….well, you know.

    The Vikes can go. Good riddence!!!

    Something else will take it’s place.

    See Cleveland, Baltimore and Houston….

    Those cities received something better.

    Lmao! Yes they did, for at least double the price from the original amount it would have cost them to keep them in the first place, you ignorant fool!

  72. dogsweat1 says: Jun 21, 2011 7:53 PM

    *****If Mr Wolf wants to be gracious—let him pay for his own venue.*****

    Mr Arrogance…………….It is spelled Wolf on purpose!!

    It’s too insult.

    ****Most of us living in Minnesota are not Vikes Fan.

    Incorrect, though why does this not surprise me? Over 80% of people want the Vikes to get a new stadium. Over 67% feel the Vikes are an integral part of the fabric of Minnesota. ******

    Yea, that’s why the Packers are shown on my local Fox every week!!!!!In Minnesota!!!!!

    LOL LOL

    SKOL=Sending the VI (Kings) On to Los Angeles!!!

    Now shoo. Go back to worshipping your Thor picture!!!!

  73. vikefan says: Jun 21, 2011 8:34 PM

    Funny, u cant even respond like a thoughtful human being. No answers to all of the above info. It is one thing to be a Vikings hater, admit it, and not like the stadium idea, however it is another to try and blow smoke up our a__ without a single smart or correct thought to make your point. Just another packer fan that is a Vikiings fan in the closet. Dont worry, we will still love you after the new stadium is built and u jump on the Vikings band wagon with the rest of em.

  74. supersuckers3 says: Jun 21, 2011 8:49 PM

    PAGING MAJIK BULLET…PAGING MAJIK BULLET…Surely this diehard Viking fan has something to say about his teams future in Minnesota?!?!

  75. locutus says: Jun 21, 2011 9:04 PM

    I’m literally appalled…

    Incorrect, though why does this not surprise me? Over 80% of people want the Vikes to get a new stadium. Over 67% feel the Vikes are an integral part of the fabric of Minnesota. ******

    Yea, that’s why the Packers are shown on my local Fox every week!!!!!In Minnesota!!!!!

    Evidently clear you have no concept of logic.

  76. locutus says: Jun 21, 2011 9:06 PM

    It’s too insult.

    One “o”, genius.

    SKOL=Sending the VI (Kings) On to Los Angeles!!!

    Lol! Grade school was a challenge, wasn’t it?

  77. brewdogg says: Jun 21, 2011 10:04 PM

    I know it’s already been done, but I can’t resist….

    Robert says:
    Jun 21, 2011 4:40 PM

    “It is not fair for us to pay for something we won’t use.”

    You do every day…. instead of reading the state constitution, why don’t you go over the state’s budget and see what you are already paying for and how much. $35 billion each year to education for starters, so I don’t have to touch on that later.

    “It is not fair for us(citizens) to pay for some billionaires venue.”

    Explain to me the difference between giving someone $100 and telling them they don’t have to pay you $100 that they owe you. Can’t do it? So maybe, instead of using new tax money that is mostly directly tied to sports, we should just give them $300 million in tax breaks that would deplete the general fund that is used to pay for things like roads, schools, and the needy. You know, the kind of tax breaks that are regularly used to lure/keep businesses in the state…..

    “30 million out of a billionaires pocket—is nothing.”

    Do you think he has a billion or so just sitting in his checking account? His net worth is in the billions, just like nearly every lower-middle class homeowner has a net worth in the hundreds of thousands. To draw the picture for you…. $30 million to Zygi is comparable to $3,000 to the average Joe. Are you willing to pay $3,000 for the state to fix the roads leading up to your house? No, of course not, you expect them to do that themselves.

    “The Vikes can go. Good riddence!!!

    Something else will take it’s place.

    See Cleveland, Baltimore and Houston….

    Those cities received something better.”

    Interesting that you would select three cities that lost a team, and then used millions in taxpayer money to pay for a new venue to bring a new team in. Why would they do that? Surely not because they found out that they made a mistake in letting the old one go…. Nooooo………

    Did you enjoy your education?

  78. dogsweat1 says: Jun 21, 2011 10:21 PM

    ***Funny, u cant even respond like a thoughtful human being. No answers to all of the above info. It is one thing to be a Vikings hate**r, admit it, and not like the stadium idea, however it is another to try and blow smoke up our a__ without a single smart or correct thought to make your point. Just another packer fan that is a Vikiings fan in the closet. Dont worry, we will still love you after the new stadium is built and u jump on the Vikings band wagon with the rest of em.****

    If you want to believe a lie, so be it.

    You Vikes fans aren’t getting it. The old” Packer fans just hate us and want us to move” motif is played out.

    You see majority of Packer fans want the Vikes to stay.

    Why?

    You make the Green and Gold franchise look even greater with all your foolishness.

    Not only are the Packers great and have proven it on paper, but the Green and Gold followers also get a kick out of watching the “red headed” step children of Minneapolis destroy themselves.

    It creates great bar talk to watch the Minnesota Vikings deploy into garbage.

    Packer fans get the Lombardi’s and Honor. While Viking fans get “atta boy” stickers.

    The Vikings are like the little brother who continues to be a complete failure.

    While the Packers are the big brother who gets straight A’s and makes his parents happy.

    Big Brother Packer fan gets to gloat and laugh over his little brother the Viking fan, who is a disaster and a doofus and keeps making the big Brother look “genius!”

    It’s Goofus and Gallant. And the Vikings are “Goofus!”

    You see –Packer fans actually don’t want the Vikings to leave, you make the Packers look 100 times greater —playing in our division!!!

    You make the Packers 100 times greater by playing next door to us.

    It’s wonderful to live in Minnesota –and be able to watch the Packers every week on local TV.

    It’s like a before and after picture–when compared to the Vikings.

    Look forward to the 2011 Packer bar talk.

    Of course the highlight will be how deplorable the Vikings are, and how great the Green and Gold is!!

    Please for the sake of all Packer followers, keep the Vikings in Minny….

    We need to laugh!!

  79. Robert says: Jun 21, 2011 10:53 PM

    *******It’s too insult.

    One “o”, genius. *****************

    Much apologies Adolph Locust. It’s called a typo.

    I’m sure as the perfect human being you are, you are mistake free.

    Real quick another great Packer story.

    The local malls here in Minny carry both Packer and Viking gear.

    Guess which one always sells out? Guess which one is on clearance at the end of the season?

    Hint: The ones that are sold out are the 2011 SB Champs.

    Even the comical Viking colors are frowned upon in Minny.

    The Vikings must stay in Minny —-they make the sale of Packer items 100 times greater!!!!

    SKOL!!!!!!

  80. vikefan says: Jun 22, 2011 9:15 AM

    The local malls here in Minny carry both Packer and Viking gear.

    Guess which one always sells out? Guess which one is on clearance at the end of the season?

    ****************************************
    yeah, because originally they only get in 5% of the quantity of the Vikings merchandise that is ordered in VIkings land, in other words if 100 peterson jerseys are ordered only 5 rodgers jerseys are coming in, do the math, 5 sells much quicker than 100. FYI, i have relatives in Ohio and their local stores stock Vikings merchandise, guess which one sells out first over there? Thats right, cause they order less Vikings merchandise than Bengals or Browns. But I expect u to be a retail genius and already knew that, right, since you have a bunch of facts proving the Packers are more relative to this state than the Vikings. right? Sorry, your personal Packer bias and Vikings hatred does not hold up to facts on paper.

  81. locutus says: Jun 22, 2011 10:22 AM

    yeah, because originally they only get in 5% of the quantity of the Vikings merchandise that is ordered in VIkings land, in other words if 100 peterson jerseys are ordered only 5 rodgers jerseys are coming in, do the math, 5 sells much quicker than 100. FYI, i have relatives in Ohio and their local stores stock Vikings merchandise, guess which one sells out first over there?

    Exactly right and on top of that, any team that wins a super bowl gets a significant bump in the sales of their merchandise. It’s due to bandwagon fans.

    These two are not worth responding to as they lack the intellect to understand just how stupid they sound.

  82. locutusthebusybody says: Jun 22, 2011 11:51 AM

    locutus says:
    Jun 22, 2011 10:22 AM
    yeah, because originally they only get in 5% of the quantity of the Vikings merchandise that is ordered in VIkings land, in other words if 100 peterson jerseys are ordered only 5 rodgers jerseys are coming in, do the math, 5 sells much quicker than 100. FYI, i have relatives in Ohio and their local stores stock Vikings merchandise, guess which one sells out first over there?

    Exactly right and on top of that, any team that wins a super bowl gets a significant bump in the sales of their merchandise. It’s due to bandwagon fans.

    These two are not worth responding to as they lack the intellect to understand just how stupid they sound.

    __________

    And yet, here you are responding. How is it possible that you have as much time as you have to respond to comments?

    Are you independently wealthy and enjoying a life of leisure living along 500′ of prime lakeshore property?

    Or are you just killing time between Star Trek conventions?

  83. thephantomstranger says: Jun 22, 2011 1:32 PM

    I just have to add for the out-of-towners that Packer games are not shown on the local Fox affiliate when the Vikings are playing on the same channel. The Vikings have sold out every home game since 1998, and there were probably only about two or three home games blacked out since 1980 when I started paying attention. So if you see your beloved Packers disgracing our local airwaves, it’s because the Vikings are playing at another time, most likely Prime Time!

  84. vikefan says: Jun 22, 2011 3:41 PM

    i was going to bring that up but since i did not have all the facts for his comment, i left’em be but mostly likely very true phantom. amazing how they never wanna post ALL the facts to ones comments

  85. stellarperformance says: Jun 22, 2011 4:21 PM

    locutus says:
    Jun 20, 2011 10:06 PM
    Not to get off topic, but since you insist for this one time. In reference to the Tea Party, appropriate designations are Tea Party, Tea Party activists, Tea Party members, Tea Party people. Teabaggers is a derogatory term used only by progressive loons. People show their true colors when using such terms or when it does not even register as offensive.
    —————————————————–
    You’re not off-topic….you brought it up. Help me understand…The Tea Party deserves the respect to not be called Teabaggers (because it is too derogatory,) but you can call anyone that disagrees with you a “leftie?” Aren’t you showing your true colors?

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