Comments on: On local impact of NFL games, league can’t have it both ways

By: blspears

blspears — Wed, 22 Jun 2011 21:08:14 +0000

piemasteruk my bad

By: piemasteruk

piemasteruk — Wed, 22 Jun 2011 16:01:06 +0000

“piemasteruk I was just saying the money will not disappear just because there is no football. The money is in our pockets as consumers, its in the bank accounts of TV. It will be spent some where. I didnt say anything about public funding for staduim in my piece so I dont know where you got that from.”

Um.., I’m not sure where you got the impression that I was responding to you. I quoted the main article and I was responding to that.

By: theytukrjobs

theytukrjobs — Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:26:21 +0000

Stadiums have minimal effect on a state’s total economy, good or bad. The cost of a stadium spread over 30 years is negligible and the income is negligible. But they have a MASSIVE effect on the local economy in their immediate vicinity. That is why a local partner usually kicks in a large amount of money. People will find ways to spend their money, absolutely, but it likely won’t be within 2 miles of the NFL stadium and despite these comments there is a chance it won’t be in the state. I guarantee MN gets a lot of Dakota, Iowa, and Wisconsin money every time they have an NFL game from fans that wouldn’t otherwise come to Minneapolis.

States themselves kick in money because of the positive attention that pro sports bring and the quality of life improvement that they provide for fans of the sport in question, more than the economic impact. Local partners pitch in for the economic impact because they feel it in concentrated form.

Minnesota for example would suffer a loss in quality of life if we didn’t have the Vikings to help us get through the first half of winter. But how do you put a number on that?

By: blspears

blspears — Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:22:49 +0000

piemasteruk I was just saying the money will not disappear just because there is no football. The money is in our pockets as consumers, its in the bank accounts of TV. It will be spent some where. I didnt say anything about public funding for staduim in my piece so I dont know where you got that from.

By: thephantomstranger

thephantomstranger — Wed, 22 Jun 2011 11:05:14 +0000

Zygi Wilf just slapped his head and said “D’oh!”

By: okemon

okemon — Wed, 22 Jun 2011 10:40:59 +0000

i think i’ll burn the $5,000.00

By: piemasteruk

piemasteruk — Wed, 22 Jun 2011 05:55:28 +0000

“That’s fine. But how does that position support the argument that the construction of a stadium with public money results in a significant infusion of cash into the ***LOCAL*** economy? If “people will find other ways to spend their money,” then they’ll spend their money with or without a publicly-funded football stadium.”

If people don’t attend a game and spend the money in the local bars, hotels, restaraunts etc they will instead spend it back home on decking, rims and PPV porn. I’m not sure where you are proposing there is a contradiction in this argument.

By: discosucs2005

discosucs2005 — Wed, 22 Jun 2011 04:16:22 +0000

I honestly think it is absurd that any stadium would be built with public money. I’m not debating whether or not stadiums help a local economy, I’m just saying it’s stupid that tax dollars would be spent paying for them when those dollars could be used on education, police, fire, medical, and a whole host of other things that will vastly improve people’s day to day lives much more significantly than a football stadium.

By: dcbronco

dcbronco — Wed, 22 Jun 2011 02:56:06 +0000

Punter the problem is that there are too many parrots on the internet. They hear something and it becomes their go to answer to everything. They don’t really get it or they are so caught up in some ridiculous belief that they only have one response to go with. Like the article said, the NFL can’t have it both ways.

If the stadiums don’t bring anything to the city, pay for your own stadiums. All of the talk of the jobs is nonsense since they are mostly for 10 games a year. And the few events allowed to use the stadiums besides the team. The owners need to realize the NFL at the corner grocery store. The players are your partners and you need to pay them half of all income.

By: blspears

blspears — Wed, 22 Jun 2011 02:52:03 +0000

Im so sick of this arguement. These localities will not lose all that money. Its still real money in consumers hands that will be spent in other ways. Say a guy with premium seats pays typically $5,000.00 per year for the seats, if the whole season is cancelled he will get his $5,000.00 back. He will probally go out to eat with his family maybe go on a decent trip, build a deck or have a small down payment on a car. TV stations will have to come up with new programming. Advertisers will still advertise probally at a better rate for them so they may advertise more in other forms of media with the money they save. You have to be completely retarded to think that $20,000,000 is going to disappear per city per game because it still exsist it will find its way to the economy through different paths.

By: goforthanddie

goforthanddie — Wed, 22 Jun 2011 02:36:11 +0000

“[P]eople will find other ways to spend their money.”
Quite possibly the dumbest thing anyone in the negotiations could have said.

By: backuppunter

backuppunter — Wed, 22 Jun 2011 01:39:21 +0000

i will sure miss all the morons that cry bias every time PFT runs an article even questioning the owners side. it’s sort of become a new cry baby thing. when PFT fails to constantly feed you stories that confirm your own and exactly your own opinions you folks just cry, your biased biased. PFT has ran plenty of articles challenging both sides especially there lawyers.

in other words the definition of bias is not “anything that I disagree with” that is not what bias means.

By: livenbreathefootball

livenbreathefootball — Wed, 22 Jun 2011 00:45:20 +0000

People of common sense and reasonable intelligence has known the NFL was inflating their figures for years. Like no one is going to go to Miami or San Diego in January except to attend a Super Bowl.

The Sports Economist Blog has examined these and other sports related number fudging for years.

By: clayjayhawk

clayjayhawk — Tue, 21 Jun 2011 23:47:05 +0000

Yeah we all know that very rich men tell untruths…well they lie, but we get football so ahhcoonamatada!

By: buc13jcs

buc13jcs — Tue, 21 Jun 2011 23:40:28 +0000

Thanks…But, I don’t care…I just want a lot of football…very rudimentary

By: stataddict

stataddict — Tue, 21 Jun 2011 23:34:50 +0000

The position the NFL is taking does not contradict itself. From the national level, money not spent on attending NFL games will be spent elsewhere. However, it will not necessarily be spent in the same cities.

For example, my wife and I could choose to tour Napa Valley instead of attending a 49ers game. The city of San Francisco would lose the tax revenue that would have been spent hotels, tickets, food, souvenirs and other amenities, however we’d spend the same amount of cash.

By: AlanSaysYo

AlanSaysYo — Tue, 21 Jun 2011 23:30:16 +0000

“The good news for the NFL, if there is any, is that the position articulated in the article quoted about is so ludicrous that no one will take it seriously. ”

You got the ludicrous part right.

By: twitter:Chapman_Jamie

twitter:Chapman_Jamie — Tue, 21 Jun 2011 23:20:51 +0000

Can’t wait for this to be over! The bias shown by this site has destroyed its integrity. Hopefully once the season starts and there is real football to report on they can get some back!