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		<title>By: supersuckers3</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2011 01:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is incredibly difficult to repeat in the NFL, everyone knows that. What GB has going for them is the competition that will result from players coming back from IR. Do you think Jermichael Finley and Ryan Grant are satisfied with a ring they had nothing to do with? How bad do you think Aaron Rodgers wants to win the 2nd ring that Favre never could? All the haters are laughable, only time will tell.

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Well said.   This team&#039;s only..and I mean ONLY goal is a three peat..PERIOD.  You strive for perfection at your employer.  If you do that you can achieve excellence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is incredibly difficult to repeat in the NFL, everyone knows that. What GB has going for them is the competition that will result from players coming back from IR. Do you think Jermichael Finley and Ryan Grant are satisfied with a ring they had nothing to do with? How bad do you think Aaron Rodgers wants to win the 2nd ring that Favre never could? All the haters are laughable, only time will tell.</p>
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Well said.   This team&#8217;s only..and I mean ONLY goal is a three peat..PERIOD.  You strive for perfection at your employer.  If you do that you can achieve excellence.</p>
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		<title>By: thephantomstranger</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 22:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@smoothjimmy -

Agreed, but I have to play the pessimist on packer posts.]]></description>
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<p>Agreed, but I have to play the pessimist on packer posts.</p>
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		<title>By: smoothjimmyapollo</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 20:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[phantom, I don&#039;t disagree that you&#039;d rather have the higher seed.  My initial point to another commenter was who cares if Aaron Rodgers hasn&#039;t won the division - he won a Super Bowl.  I&#039;m sure the Bears would gladly have taken a wild card with a SB trophy over a division crown.

I guess my greater point is, there are a lot of reasons that the Packers might not win the Super Bowl with the most obvious one being that it&#039;s hard to do.  They could have injuries to key players, they could catch a bad call or an unfortunately timed turnover in a playoff game.  They could just lose to a team that is better on that day. They will not miss out on a championship because they didn&#039;t all get together on some high school field in June.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>phantom, I don&#8217;t disagree that you&#8217;d rather have the higher seed.  My initial point to another commenter was who cares if Aaron Rodgers hasn&#8217;t won the division &#8211; he won a Super Bowl.  I&#8217;m sure the Bears would gladly have taken a wild card with a SB trophy over a division crown.</p>
<p>I guess my greater point is, there are a lot of reasons that the Packers might not win the Super Bowl with the most obvious one being that it&#8217;s hard to do.  They could have injuries to key players, they could catch a bad call or an unfortunately timed turnover in a playoff game.  They could just lose to a team that is better on that day. They will not miss out on a championship because they didn&#8217;t all get together on some high school field in June.</p>
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		<title>By: aaronitout</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 19:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[duece5 says:
Jun 23, 2011 11:48 AM
It happens to EVERY Super Bowl team…..the compacency, and then the guys that “want their money”. It doesn’t matter where these professional athletes play, it’s just the way of the world in the attitudes that shift once they’ve tasted a little success. You can play in a beautiful area such as San Diego or an armpit like gbay.
THEY ALL want their money, and repeating comes in a distant second.

Gbay got hot at the exact right time last year, so they are hardly a dominant force. They haven’t even won a division title under Rodgers. So, the complacency will happen, injuries will happen, attitudes will shift, selfishness will happen, and those that expect a repeat need to look no further than the Colts or Saints that did not repeat……and the COLTS have been dominant for nearly 10 years!!!!

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It is incredibly difficult to repeat in the NFL, everyone knows that.  What GB has going for them is the competition that will result from players coming back from IR.  Do you think Jermichael Finley and Ryan Grant are satisfied with a ring they had nothing to do with?  How bad do you think Aaron Rodgers wants to win the 2nd ring that Favre never could?  All the haters are laughable, only time will tell. 

Another thing to think about...Everyone knows Ted Thompson is the most hesitant GM in the league to spend money in free agency but he will pull out the pocket book if he has good reason (Charles Woodson).  The weakest position on Green Bay&#039;s roster is left guard.  What would happen if Thompson decides to spend big to get Logan Mankins in GB?  Green Bay would instantly go from a middle of the road offensive line to the (arguably) best offensive line in the league with the return of a back to back 1200 yard rusher with a chip on his shoulder.  Remember Mankins has never won a title in New England.  Maybe just a pipe dream but ya never know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>duece5 says:<br />
Jun 23, 2011 11:48 AM<br />
It happens to EVERY Super Bowl team…..the compacency, and then the guys that “want their money”. It doesn’t matter where these professional athletes play, it’s just the way of the world in the attitudes that shift once they’ve tasted a little success. You can play in a beautiful area such as San Diego or an armpit like gbay.<br />
THEY ALL want their money, and repeating comes in a distant second.</p>
<p>Gbay got hot at the exact right time last year, so they are hardly a dominant force. They haven’t even won a division title under Rodgers. So, the complacency will happen, injuries will happen, attitudes will shift, selfishness will happen, and those that expect a repeat need to look no further than the Colts or Saints that did not repeat……and the COLTS have been dominant for nearly 10 years!!!!</p>
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<p>It is incredibly difficult to repeat in the NFL, everyone knows that.  What GB has going for them is the competition that will result from players coming back from IR.  Do you think Jermichael Finley and Ryan Grant are satisfied with a ring they had nothing to do with?  How bad do you think Aaron Rodgers wants to win the 2nd ring that Favre never could?  All the haters are laughable, only time will tell. </p>
<p>Another thing to think about&#8230;Everyone knows Ted Thompson is the most hesitant GM in the league to spend money in free agency but he will pull out the pocket book if he has good reason (Charles Woodson).  The weakest position on Green Bay&#8217;s roster is left guard.  What would happen if Thompson decides to spend big to get Logan Mankins in GB?  Green Bay would instantly go from a middle of the road offensive line to the (arguably) best offensive line in the league with the return of a back to back 1200 yard rusher with a chip on his shoulder.  Remember Mankins has never won a title in New England.  Maybe just a pipe dream but ya never know.</p>
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		<title>By: thephantomstranger</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 19:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[smoothjimmyapollo says: 
Jun 23, 2011 2:02 PM 
@Phantom, as a Viking fan, what would you rather have? A division title or a Lombardi trophy? Do they print off NFC North Championship videos? Do they hold parades for the NFC North champions? Do people fill up a stadium to welcome back division champions? No, because division championships mean nothing if you don’t win a title. 

Would I prefer my team wins their division and gets a bye and an easier playoff schedule? Sure. But sometimes you get the bye, you get an NFC championship game at home, and your 37 year old quarterback looks cold and miserable and throws the game away. Other times your team plays on the road against the 1, 2 and 3 seeds before winning the Super Bowl.
______________

I was just saying that your team is more likely to win the Super Bowl if it has proven itself throughout the season.

It seems like the Packers aren&#039;t going to have to worry about complacency. Their fans have enough complacency to go around for everyone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>smoothjimmyapollo says:<br />
Jun 23, 2011 2:02 PM<br />
@Phantom, as a Viking fan, what would you rather have? A division title or a Lombardi trophy? Do they print off NFC North Championship videos? Do they hold parades for the NFC North champions? Do people fill up a stadium to welcome back division champions? No, because division championships mean nothing if you don’t win a title. </p>
<p>Would I prefer my team wins their division and gets a bye and an easier playoff schedule? Sure. But sometimes you get the bye, you get an NFC championship game at home, and your 37 year old quarterback looks cold and miserable and throws the game away. Other times your team plays on the road against the 1, 2 and 3 seeds before winning the Super Bowl.<br />
______________</p>
<p>I was just saying that your team is more likely to win the Super Bowl if it has proven itself throughout the season.</p>
<p>It seems like the Packers aren&#8217;t going to have to worry about complacency. Their fans have enough complacency to go around for everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: contra74</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 19:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[sleazysnake says: 
Jun 23, 2011 2:00 PM 
It sure is funny to read all the fans of teams other than the Packers with their wishful thinking about complacency. 

The Packers are not complacent. Nor are they satisfied with one ring. 

This team wants to build itself into a Dynasty.

All you haters just keep on hating, that’s all you’re going to do anyway. In the end it boils down to jealousy. 

The Packers are better than your team.

The Packers Are Better
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Hmmm...sounds familiar. Replace &quot;Packers&quot; with &quot;Saints&quot; and you get an idea as to how the general feeling went down last year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sleazysnake says:<br />
Jun 23, 2011 2:00 PM<br />
It sure is funny to read all the fans of teams other than the Packers with their wishful thinking about complacency. </p>
<p>The Packers are not complacent. Nor are they satisfied with one ring. </p>
<p>This team wants to build itself into a Dynasty.</p>
<p>All you haters just keep on hating, that’s all you’re going to do anyway. In the end it boils down to jealousy. </p>
<p>The Packers are better than your team.</p>
<p>The Packers Are Better<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
Hmmm&#8230;sounds familiar. Replace &#8220;Packers&#8221; with &#8220;Saints&#8221; and you get an idea as to how the general feeling went down last year.</p>
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		<title>By: SpartaChris</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As someone else pointed out over on the Footballpros site- If you listen to Mark Sanchez&#039; interview with Rich Eisen, he points out that their workouts have included things like catered lunches and water-balloon tosses. While this doesn&#039;t mean actual working out hasn&#039;t happened, it doesn&#039;t exactly paint the picture of a structured, &quot;Lets get better so we can dominate next season&quot; approach. Put another way, it&#039;s more fun and games and less business. 

Not saying it&#039;s right or wrong, just that it seems people are thinking these player led workouts are more than they really are.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone else pointed out over on the Footballpros site- If you listen to Mark Sanchez&#8217; interview with Rich Eisen, he points out that their workouts have included things like catered lunches and water-balloon tosses. While this doesn&#8217;t mean actual working out hasn&#8217;t happened, it doesn&#8217;t exactly paint the picture of a structured, &#8220;Lets get better so we can dominate next season&#8221; approach. Put another way, it&#8217;s more fun and games and less business. </p>
<p>Not saying it&#8217;s right or wrong, just that it seems people are thinking these player led workouts are more than they really are.</p>
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		<title>By: bluestree</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Complacency will not be a problem for the Packers. With all the injured starters and key back ups retuning from IR to a team that won the Lombardi, the competion between positions in camp will be tremendous. Anyone who gets complacent will get run over.
Then they meet New Orleans in the opener and everyone&#039;s making a big deal about how much Brees has the Saints working out.
Do you recall what happened to the Saints the last time they took the field, in Seattle? They better work out.
The real key is whether free agency will go back to four years. That will have everybody scrambling. Advantage Green Bay.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Complacency will not be a problem for the Packers. With all the injured starters and key back ups retuning from IR to a team that won the Lombardi, the competion between positions in camp will be tremendous. Anyone who gets complacent will get run over.<br />
Then they meet New Orleans in the opener and everyone&#8217;s making a big deal about how much Brees has the Saints working out.<br />
Do you recall what happened to the Saints the last time they took the field, in Seattle? They better work out.<br />
The real key is whether free agency will go back to four years. That will have everybody scrambling. Advantage Green Bay.</p>
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		<title>By: Wisconsin77</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[dmretrogames says: Jun 23, 2011 8:25 AM
That’s going to one whopper of a Super Bowl hangover. Perhaps they realized that eeking by Chicago’s 9th string QB and a decimated Pittsburgh roster was a one in a million lottery shot that wouldn’t be repeated. May as well live it up and admire the rings.

Somebody has sour grapes that his r@p1st QB couldn&#039;t bring home the Lombardi Trophy.  You do realize that the Packers had more starters on injured reserve than any other Super Bowl winning team in history, right?  And I believe that we were already up on Chicago by 14 points when their starter went out.  

Sorry, but your post is what we call an epic fail.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dmretrogames says: Jun 23, 2011 8:25 AM<br />
That’s going to one whopper of a Super Bowl hangover. Perhaps they realized that eeking by Chicago’s 9th string QB and a decimated Pittsburgh roster was a one in a million lottery shot that wouldn’t be repeated. May as well live it up and admire the rings.</p>
<p>Somebody has sour grapes that his r@p1st QB couldn&#8217;t bring home the Lombardi Trophy.  You do realize that the Packers had more starters on injured reserve than any other Super Bowl winning team in history, right?  And I believe that we were already up on Chicago by 14 points when their starter went out.  </p>
<p>Sorry, but your post is what we call an epic fail.</p>
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		<title>By: smoothjimmyapollo</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Phantom, as a Viking fan, what would you rather have?  A division title or a Lombardi trophy?  Do they print off NFC North Championship videos?  Do they hold parades for the NFC North champions?  Do people fill up a stadium to welcome back division champions?  No, because division championships mean nothing if you don&#039;t win a title.  

Would I prefer my team wins their division and gets a bye and an easier playoff schedule?  Sure.  But sometimes you get the bye, you get an NFC championship game at home, and your 37 year old quarterback looks cold and miserable and throws the game away.  Other times your team plays on the road against the 1, 2 and 3 seeds before winning the Super Bowl.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Phantom, as a Viking fan, what would you rather have?  A division title or a Lombardi trophy?  Do they print off NFC North Championship videos?  Do they hold parades for the NFC North champions?  Do people fill up a stadium to welcome back division champions?  No, because division championships mean nothing if you don&#8217;t win a title.  </p>
<p>Would I prefer my team wins their division and gets a bye and an easier playoff schedule?  Sure.  But sometimes you get the bye, you get an NFC championship game at home, and your 37 year old quarterback looks cold and miserable and throws the game away.  Other times your team plays on the road against the 1, 2 and 3 seeds before winning the Super Bowl.</p>
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		<title>By: sleazysnake</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It sure is funny to read all the fans of teams other than the Packers with their wishful thinking about complacency.  

The Packers are not complacent. Nor are they satisfied with one ring. 

This team wants to build itself into a Dynasty.

All you haters just keep on hating, that&#039;s all you&#039;re going to do anyway. In the end it boils down to jealousy. 

The Packers are better than your team.

The Packers Are Better]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sure is funny to read all the fans of teams other than the Packers with their wishful thinking about complacency.  </p>
<p>The Packers are not complacent. Nor are they satisfied with one ring. </p>
<p>This team wants to build itself into a Dynasty.</p>
<p>All you haters just keep on hating, that&#8217;s all you&#8217;re going to do anyway. In the end it boils down to jealousy. </p>
<p>The Packers are better than your team.</p>
<p>The Packers Are Better</p>
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		<title>By: childressrulz</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When you are this good there is no need to practice. Besides player organized practices are going to be crap anyways. So if your team is holding player organized work outs then your team is wasting their time. Players need coaches to push them for the most part.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you are this good there is no need to practice. Besides player organized practices are going to be crap anyways. So if your team is holding player organized work outs then your team is wasting their time. Players need coaches to push them for the most part.</p>
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		<title>By: tangysizzl</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think its funny all of these players in the NFL talking about how important offseason workouts are when we all know they are trying to do away with most of the minicamps and OTAs in the next labor deal.

As long as there is time to have training camp and 4 preseason games I think the Pack will be just fine.  If not they may struggle more than some of the teams that having been working their ass off together.

Time will tell I guess but if they do struggle through the season than they only have themselves to blame.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think its funny all of these players in the NFL talking about how important offseason workouts are when we all know they are trying to do away with most of the minicamps and OTAs in the next labor deal.</p>
<p>As long as there is time to have training camp and 4 preseason games I think the Pack will be just fine.  If not they may struggle more than some of the teams that having been working their ass off together.</p>
<p>Time will tell I guess but if they do struggle through the season than they only have themselves to blame.</p>
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		<title>By: SpartaChris</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LOL at the &quot;Rodgers still never won the division,&quot; argument. Guess what? I&#039;ll trade a division championship for an NFC championship and chance to win the Super Bowl every year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL at the &#8220;Rodgers still never won the division,&#8221; argument. Guess what? I&#8217;ll trade a division championship for an NFC championship and chance to win the Super Bowl every year.</p>
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		<title>By: thephantomstranger</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[smoothjimmyapollo says: 
Jun 23, 2011 12:44 PM 
“They haven’t even won a division title under Rodgers.”

Who cares? They won a Super Bowl. THE SUPER BOWL! It doesn’t matter how you get into the playoffs. What matters is what you do in the playoffs. The Seahawks won a division title last year at 7-9 – one game better than the last place teams in three other divisions.
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You sound like Denny Green with that &quot;it doesn&#039;t matter how you get in the playoffs&quot; garbage. Of course it matters. Which team has a better chance of winning the Super Bowl: The 12-4 division champion or the 8-8 wildcard team? Every once in a while a mediocre team will get hot in the playoffs and win the Super Bowl, but it isn&#039;t something you guys should be counting on every year. And yet here you are.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>smoothjimmyapollo says:<br />
Jun 23, 2011 12:44 PM<br />
“They haven’t even won a division title under Rodgers.”</p>
<p>Who cares? They won a Super Bowl. THE SUPER BOWL! It doesn’t matter how you get into the playoffs. What matters is what you do in the playoffs. The Seahawks won a division title last year at 7-9 – one game better than the last place teams in three other divisions.<br />
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<p>You sound like Denny Green with that &#8220;it doesn&#8217;t matter how you get in the playoffs&#8221; garbage. Of course it matters. Which team has a better chance of winning the Super Bowl: The 12-4 division champion or the 8-8 wildcard team? Every once in a while a mediocre team will get hot in the playoffs and win the Super Bowl, but it isn&#8217;t something you guys should be counting on every year. And yet here you are.</p>
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		<title>By: packerfan12</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do people forget that the Packers had 7 STARTERS on IR last year? Barnett and Tauscher will probably be gone, but they had Finley one of the best receiving tight ends in the league out, Brad Jones, Morgan Burnett, Mike Neal, and Ryan Grant. Everyone hates the Packers right now for not having team workouts, but they&#039;re still working out individually, to stay in shape....people are making a big deal out of nothing.

One last thing....I don&#039;t think the Packers &quot;just got hot&quot; I think their back-ups and undrafted free agents started playing well, if you actually watched the Packers this season Charlie Peprah, Frank Zombo, Erik Walden, Desmond Bishop, Sam Shields and James Starks all played well. The Colts used injuries as an excuse, the Packers have depth and I can&#039;t wait to see what they can do next year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do people forget that the Packers had 7 STARTERS on IR last year? Barnett and Tauscher will probably be gone, but they had Finley one of the best receiving tight ends in the league out, Brad Jones, Morgan Burnett, Mike Neal, and Ryan Grant. Everyone hates the Packers right now for not having team workouts, but they&#8217;re still working out individually, to stay in shape&#8230;.people are making a big deal out of nothing.</p>
<p>One last thing&#8230;.I don&#8217;t think the Packers &#8220;just got hot&#8221; I think their back-ups and undrafted free agents started playing well, if you actually watched the Packers this season Charlie Peprah, Frank Zombo, Erik Walden, Desmond Bishop, Sam Shields and James Starks all played well. The Colts used injuries as an excuse, the Packers have depth and I can&#8217;t wait to see what they can do next year.</p>
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		<title>By: smoothjimmyapollo</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;They haven’t even won a division title under Rodgers.&quot;

Who cares?  They won a Super Bowl.  THE SUPER BOWL!  It doesn&#039;t matter how you get into the playoffs.  What matters is what you do in the playoffs.  The Seahawks won a division title last year at 7-9 - one game better than the last place teams in three other divisions.

In other words, unless you&#039;re trying to make a championship-free team sound important (right Vikings fans?), then winning your division is meaningless beyond the automatic playoff birth it provides.

As far as offseason workouts, Hawk is probably right.  The best case scenario is that these guys work out together and stay in shape.  There&#039;s also the chance that they&#039;re learning bad habits that only a coach would catch.  The worst case scenario would be injuries - especially to rookies not yet under contract.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They haven’t even won a division title under Rodgers.&#8221;</p>
<p>Who cares?  They won a Super Bowl.  THE SUPER BOWL!  It doesn&#8217;t matter how you get into the playoffs.  What matters is what you do in the playoffs.  The Seahawks won a division title last year at 7-9 &#8211; one game better than the last place teams in three other divisions.</p>
<p>In other words, unless you&#8217;re trying to make a championship-free team sound important (right Vikings fans?), then winning your division is meaningless beyond the automatic playoff birth it provides.</p>
<p>As far as offseason workouts, Hawk is probably right.  The best case scenario is that these guys work out together and stay in shape.  There&#8217;s also the chance that they&#8217;re learning bad habits that only a coach would catch.  The worst case scenario would be injuries &#8211; especially to rookies not yet under contract.</p>
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		<title>By: SpartaChris</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As for team building exercises, the Packers have done those too- Donald Drivers softball game and Greg Jennings golf tournament. Not to mention the ring ceremony last week. There&#039;s been plenty of time for the Packers players to build camaraderie amongst themselves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for team building exercises, the Packers have done those too- Donald Drivers softball game and Greg Jennings golf tournament. Not to mention the ring ceremony last week. There&#8217;s been plenty of time for the Packers players to build camaraderie amongst themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: thephantomstranger</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reminds me of last year when the Vikings were returning all 22 starters from a team that was an impossibly stupid play from the Super Bowl. It&#039;s funny how things tend not to go as planned in the NFL.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of last year when the Vikings were returning all 22 starters from a team that was an impossibly stupid play from the Super Bowl. It&#8217;s funny how things tend not to go as planned in the NFL.</p>
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		<title>By: jnbnet</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All the Pack has to do is show up for the games.  They know they will win.   They don&#039;t even need training camp.  They are the best and everyone else will kneel down before them.  19/0 Pack.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the Pack has to do is show up for the games.  They know they will win.   They don&#8217;t even need training camp.  They are the best and everyone else will kneel down before them.  19/0 Pack.</p>
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		<title>By: duece5</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It happens to EVERY Super Bowl team.....the compacency, and then the guys that &quot;want their money&quot;. It doesn&#039;t matter where these professional athletes play, it&#039;s just the way of the world in the attitudes that shift once they&#039;ve tasted a little success. You can play in a beautiful area such as San Diego or an armpit like gbay.
THEY ALL want their money, and repeating comes in a distant second.

Gbay got hot at the exact right time last year, so they are hardly a dominant force. They haven&#039;t even won a division title under Rodgers. So, the complacency will happen, injuries will happen, attitudes will shift, selfishness will happen, and those that expect a repeat need to look no further than the Colts or Saints that did not repeat......and the COLTS have been dominant for nearly 10 years!!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It happens to EVERY Super Bowl team&#8230;..the compacency, and then the guys that &#8220;want their money&#8221;. It doesn&#8217;t matter where these professional athletes play, it&#8217;s just the way of the world in the attitudes that shift once they&#8217;ve tasted a little success. You can play in a beautiful area such as San Diego or an armpit like gbay.<br />
THEY ALL want their money, and repeating comes in a distant second.</p>
<p>Gbay got hot at the exact right time last year, so they are hardly a dominant force. They haven&#8217;t even won a division title under Rodgers. So, the complacency will happen, injuries will happen, attitudes will shift, selfishness will happen, and those that expect a repeat need to look no further than the Colts or Saints that did not repeat&#8230;&#8230;and the COLTS have been dominant for nearly 10 years!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: 13xworldchamps</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hawk is as much a work out warrior as there is in the NFL, period. That being said, just because a few guys get together and run a few plays, how is that productive. I don&#039;t know the last time I saw a player coach in the NFL.

These teams are very stringent with the practice process they go through, drills, one one ones. 7 on 7 and so forth. 

The spotlight is on the Packers for being &quot;The Champs&quot;, so no matter what they do or don&#039;t do as a team the haters will be out in force.

Now we have super bowl hangover? go figure. we&#039;ll be fine. I&#039;ll stack our roster right now against any in the NFL]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hawk is as much a work out warrior as there is in the NFL, period. That being said, just because a few guys get together and run a few plays, how is that productive. I don&#8217;t know the last time I saw a player coach in the NFL.</p>
<p>These teams are very stringent with the practice process they go through, drills, one one ones. 7 on 7 and so forth. </p>
<p>The spotlight is on the Packers for being &#8220;The Champs&#8221;, so no matter what they do or don&#8217;t do as a team the haters will be out in force.</p>
<p>Now we have super bowl hangover? go figure. we&#8217;ll be fine. I&#8217;ll stack our roster right now against any in the NFL</p>
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		<title>By: t16rich</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[does aj hawk talk about when he almost got the part to be in that movie &quot;mask&quot; with cher? he ended up losing the main role to a guy who was just better looking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>does aj hawk talk about when he almost got the part to be in that movie &#8220;mask&#8221; with cher? he ended up losing the main role to a guy who was just better looking.</p>
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		<title>By: krow101</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[henrypuppyhead says ...

Because a team isn’t doing wind sprints in your living room makes them “jerks”? 

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No.  Making arrogant &#039;Rex Ryan&#039; statements makes them jerks.  Failure to be bothered by them makes you a fanboy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>henrypuppyhead says &#8230;</p>
<p>Because a team isn’t doing wind sprints in your living room makes them “jerks”? </p>
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<p>No.  Making arrogant &#8216;Rex Ryan&#8217; statements makes them jerks.  Failure to be bothered by them makes you a fanboy.</p>
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		<title>By: claymath52</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[nolahxc says: 
Jun 23, 2011 7:57 AM 
How come no one ever talks about a superbowl hangover with these guys???

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It&#039;s a valid question.  The reason is that the Packers got incredibly hot at the end of the year and won it all in the &quot;against all odds,&quot; type fashion with the injuries, etc.  I think the experts see the Packers as a team that has been building a franchise over the years and have won the whole thing maybe a year or two prematurely.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nolahxc says:<br />
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How come no one ever talks about a superbowl hangover with these guys???</p>
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<p>It&#8217;s a valid question.  The reason is that the Packers got incredibly hot at the end of the year and won it all in the &#8220;against all odds,&#8221; type fashion with the injuries, etc.  I think the experts see the Packers as a team that has been building a franchise over the years and have won the whole thing maybe a year or two prematurely.</p>
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		<title>By: contra74</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[virger says: 
Jun 23, 2011 10:44 AM 
virger says:
Jun 23, 2011 9:41 AM
good morning, haters! yeah, if you read the headline it sounds kind of arrogant, if you read the article, it sounds kind of realistic…
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Not really. Having played football at the highest collegiate level, having your starters return with knowledge of the playbook is one thing but executing those plays with precise timing is another. What good is a shiny gun if it doesnt hit its target with 100% accuracy? Fact of the matter is that those workouts which Hawk slams is really there to get some tune-ups in before the fine tuning occurs during camp. As of right now, regardless of who you have on your roster and whether or not you are a Super Bowl Champ, the teams that have those workouts are getting better than the Packers.
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we are arguing different points. hawk never says “we don’t need them” or “some teams do, we don’t”. the author of this post does. please read his comments, he never “slams” them, he says he’s heard from other players that they are a disaster. i can’t argue that no practice is better than any practice, that’s foolish, but i can argue with how they present his quotes.
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Ok I see your point. I might have been arguing against PFT&#039;s &quot;quotes&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>virger says:<br />
Jun 23, 2011 10:44 AM<br />
virger says:<br />
Jun 23, 2011 9:41 AM<br />
good morning, haters! yeah, if you read the headline it sounds kind of arrogant, if you read the article, it sounds kind of realistic…<br />
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Not really. Having played football at the highest collegiate level, having your starters return with knowledge of the playbook is one thing but executing those plays with precise timing is another. What good is a shiny gun if it doesnt hit its target with 100% accuracy? Fact of the matter is that those workouts which Hawk slams is really there to get some tune-ups in before the fine tuning occurs during camp. As of right now, regardless of who you have on your roster and whether or not you are a Super Bowl Champ, the teams that have those workouts are getting better than the Packers.<br />
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we are arguing different points. hawk never says “we don’t need them” or “some teams do, we don’t”. the author of this post does. please read his comments, he never “slams” them, he says he’s heard from other players that they are a disaster. i can’t argue that no practice is better than any practice, that’s foolish, but i can argue with how they present his quotes.<br />
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Ok I see your point. I might have been arguing against PFT&#8217;s &#8220;quotes&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: ditkastache</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is no team called the &quot;Sea-hawks&quot; in the NFL, just the &quot;Seahawks.&quot; Typical Green Bay citizen, just hanging out and being illiterate...oh wait, you&#039;re a Packers fan, in that case you&#039;ve probably never even been to Wisconsin. 

I&#039;m kidding, of course. It&#039;s nice to hear that the Pack aren&#039;t practicing, though. It&#039;ll make this year&#039;s sweep all the more satisfying.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no team called the &#8220;Sea-hawks&#8221; in the NFL, just the &#8220;Seahawks.&#8221; Typical Green Bay citizen, just hanging out and being illiterate&#8230;oh wait, you&#8217;re a Packers fan, in that case you&#8217;ve probably never even been to Wisconsin. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m kidding, of course. It&#8217;s nice to hear that the Pack aren&#8217;t practicing, though. It&#8217;ll make this year&#8217;s sweep all the more satisfying.</p>
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		<title>By: virger</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[virger says:
Jun 23, 2011 9:41 AM
good morning, haters! yeah, if you read the headline it sounds kind of arrogant, if you read the article, it sounds kind of realistic…
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Not really. Having played football at the highest collegiate level, having your starters return with knowledge of the playbook is one thing but executing those plays with precise timing is another. What good is a shiny gun if it doesnt hit its target with 100% accuracy? Fact of the matter is that those workouts which Hawk slams is really there to get some tune-ups in before the fine tuning occurs during camp. As of right now, regardless of who you have on your roster and whether or not you are a Super Bowl Champ, the teams that have those workouts are getting better than the Packers.
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we are arguing different points. hawk never says &quot;we don&#039;t need them&quot; or &quot;some teams do, we don&#039;t&quot;. the author of this post does. please read his comments, he never &quot;slams&quot; them, he says he&#039;s heard from other players that they are a disaster. i can&#039;t argue that no practice is better than any practice, that&#039;s foolish, but i can argue with how they present his quotes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>virger says:<br />
Jun 23, 2011 9:41 AM<br />
good morning, haters! yeah, if you read the headline it sounds kind of arrogant, if you read the article, it sounds kind of realistic…<br />
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Not really. Having played football at the highest collegiate level, having your starters return with knowledge of the playbook is one thing but executing those plays with precise timing is another. What good is a shiny gun if it doesnt hit its target with 100% accuracy? Fact of the matter is that those workouts which Hawk slams is really there to get some tune-ups in before the fine tuning occurs during camp. As of right now, regardless of who you have on your roster and whether or not you are a Super Bowl Champ, the teams that have those workouts are getting better than the Packers.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
we are arguing different points. hawk never says &#8220;we don&#8217;t need them&#8221; or &#8220;some teams do, we don&#8217;t&#8221;. the author of this post does. please read his comments, he never &#8220;slams&#8221; them, he says he&#8217;s heard from other players that they are a disaster. i can&#8217;t argue that no practice is better than any practice, that&#8217;s foolish, but i can argue with how they present his quotes.</p>
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		<title>By: henrypuppyhead</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[krow101 says: Jun 23, 2011 8:03 AM

It seems like every team that wins a Superbowl … that no matter how much you might like them … they turn into jerks the very next year.

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Because a team isn&#039;t doing wind sprints in your living room makes them &quot;jerks&quot;? 

Yeah, what a bunch of scumbags.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>krow101 says: Jun 23, 2011 8:03 AM</p>
<p>It seems like every team that wins a Superbowl … that no matter how much you might like them … they turn into jerks the very next year.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Because a team isn&#8217;t doing wind sprints in your living room makes them &#8220;jerks&#8221;? </p>
<p>Yeah, what a bunch of scumbags.</p>
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		<title>By: greenbay4ever</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah it is hard to repeat...but at least we have the chance to. 

Hopefully we get to play the Sea-hawks in the playoffs so we can take an easy route to the NFC championship game.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah it is hard to repeat&#8230;but at least we have the chance to. </p>
<p>Hopefully we get to play the Sea-hawks in the playoffs so we can take an easy route to the NFC championship game.</p>
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