Some cold water on the Kolb-for-Rodgers-Cromartie trade talk

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We’ve seen a number of NFL news sources speculating that the Cardinals could trade cornerback Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie to the Eagles for quarterback Kevin Kolb when the lockout ends. But one source close to the Cardinals doesn’t see it happening.

That source would be the Cardinals’ official web site, where Darren Urban writes that if anything, the Cardinals want to solidify the cornerback position and make sure they have three guys who can play corner. At the moment, the Cardinals have Rodgers-Cromartie and rookie Patrick Peterson penciled in as the starters, with Greg Toler at No. 3. Arizona likely doesn’t feel comfortable enough at cornerback to get rid of Rodgers-Cromartie.

Of course, Arizona doesn’t have any reason to feel comfortable at quarterback, either, and if the Cardinals’ coaches think Kolb is a high-quality NFL starter, acquiring him would be worth losing their top cornerback, especially after they just drafted a rookie whom they hope will be a shutdown corner for years to come.

But for now, the indications coming out of Arizona are that Rodgers-Cromartie isn’t going anywhere.

59 responses to “Some cold water on the Kolb-for-Rodgers-Cromartie trade talk

  1. I’m gonna laugh when the lockout ends and Kolb goes nowhere, cuz the only ones buying the value of Kolb is the media

  2. I would never make this trade. Rodgers-Cromartie isn’t elite but he’s solid. Kolb is neither elite nor solid. He’s shown flashes that could lead some to think he may be great but he’s inconsistent. I haven’t seen anything from the guy that makes me think he can be a top tier QB. If I were the Cardinals I’d go after VY or McNabb.

  3. Rodgers-Cromartie didn’t have good games against Big Mike Williams last season.

    Maybe Peterson will fair better this year with that matchup.

  4. haha have you people seen the QB’s out there already starting in this league? Kolb has already shown he a capable starter which is more than half of the leagues current started can say!

  5. Good lord, that would be an awful deal for the Cardinals, and conversely, an absolute landslide in favor of the Eagles.

  6. Let’s be honest…None of these corners are going to be able to stop Big Mike Williams from getting 100+ yards per game. He DOMINATED.

  7. Kolb’s value far exceeds DRC’s. It’s not even close. Funny that it’s the Cards that are pouring cold water on this.

    Having 3 good CB’s… Important, I suppose.

    Having no QB… Enjoy your 3-win season.

  8. I laugh everytime I read the comments following a Kolb article. It just shows how uninformed most of the NFL audience really is. Kevin Kolb is going to be a probowl qb in this league. People knock him for not having enough starts…what rookie would come into the league and start over Donovan McNabb…how bout zero…what quarterback would take the starting job back from Michael Vick after showing the flashes of brilliance like Mike did last year…again zero. How many quarterbacks in the history of the league have won 2 conference player of the week awards in their first 7 starts….again ZERO. Hate on Kolb all you want but you are just making yourself look stupid.

  9. It won’t be DRC more like Tim Hightower and a 2nd for Kolb? the cards drafted a replacement RB in the 2nd round and need QB for the future.

  10. The fact of the matter is that there are no other QBs available on the market for the Eagles that will make a better backup than Kolb will make. So if they can’t get what THEY think is fair value for Kolb, then they should just hold on to him. Mike Vick is going to get injured and miss some time somewhere along the course of the season, so they WILL need a viable backup who is capable of winning games. Kolb may yet get his chance to be a starter for the Eagles if they don’t sign Vick to a long term extension. Vick has the 2011 season to prove to them that he’s worth the investment. If they determine that he can’t stay healthy, or isn’t as good as they thought/hoped he was, then Kolb could get his chance.

  11. Kolb has already shown he a capable starter which is more than half of the leagues current started can say!

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    3-4 record as a starter? 73.2 passer rating in an offense that is conducive to artificially inflating a passer’s rating? 1:1 TD/INT ratio? I’m willing to say that there’s not enough data to make a determination yet, on what do you base your opinion that he’s shown that he’s a capable starter and which current starters o do you think are NOT capable starters, as compared to Kolb??

  12. thank you for the update..

    though it kinda pisses me off,, i was banking on this..

    smart move outta ARZ though.
    kolbs not that good. lol

  13. love the skins fan telling us what kolbs value is. who is your QB??? hahahaha Next year it will be the Stanford kid since you will have first pick in the draft.

  14. It seems this happens every year in philly… they always think they are going to get some elite player from another team in exchange for somebody who will obviously not be an Eagle for much longer. You are not getting Patrick Peterson (I cant believe philly fans actually thought we would trade our 5th overall selection for a 2nd rounder), You are not getting Fitzgerald, and you are not getting DRC.. Keep dreaming. Now Hightower and a 2nd for kolb is more realistic as the Eagles need a complementary back to McCoy

  15. I heard about this over 1 month ago and now only getting reported? Cards want to trade DRC and go after Nnamdi Osmaough to Peterson hwo to play! Mark it down!

  16. Hello Arizona, there’s a guy who’s throwing passes to Larry Fitzgerald by the name of Kyle Orton. He has some very nice stats, and we here in Denver would love to trade him ASAP!

  17. Kolbs average stats in games he started and finsihed are

    66% 305 9td/6int

    record is 3-2

    its olny 5 games. but he played pretty good. 2 of those games he was nfc offensive player of the week. and he is the first qb in nfl history to throw for over 300 yards in his first 2 games started. i am not trying to say he is the next brady but if u are wondering why teams are intereested, this is why.

    and the reason why average nfl fans cant understand why anyone is talking about him is cuz they just look at his overall stats and make a decision

  18. from nfl network last year

    FOX named Kolb their “FedEx Air Player of the Week” and said that it wasn’t even close. noted after the game that In the four games Kolb has started and finished, he owns a 3-1 record and has thrown for 1,297 yards (324.3 per game) and eight touchdowns on 99 of 145 passing (68.3%) for a quarterback rating of 103.1. Those are impressive numbers

    http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81b667be/WK-6-Kevin-Kolb-highlights

  19. LOL @ Cardinals fans who overvalue their players.

    Fitzgerald is leaving if there’s no improvements.

    DRC is alright, but not elite.

    Tim Hightower and a 2nd round for Kevin Kolb? Add six fumbles to next season! LOL.

    Not happening.

  20. Matt Cassel, Tim Tebow, Ryan Fitxpatrick, Donovan McNabb, Colt McCoy, Kyle Orton, Chad Henne, Alex Smith, Matt Hasselback, Christian Ponder / Joe Webb, Andy Dalton, Jake Locker, Cam Newton, Jason Campbell, David Garrard, Derek Anderson, Max Hall, John Skelton, Charlie Whitehurst…. all QB’s who either started or will start for an NFL team next year and I could make a case for Kolb over any of them.

  21. Would dangling Rogers-Cromartie in front of Mike Brown in Cincinnati get Carson Palmer?

    Palmer is actually the best fit for Whisenhunt and the Cards.

    If DRC is too much, have Cincy throw in a 3rd rounder too (or a pick somewhere).

    Cincinnati has an opening at CB if they decide to let Joseph walk to free agency so it could be a win-win situation for both teams.

  22. DRC will stay, he’ll use Peterson’s pick as motivation get back to work, mature a bit, and we’ll have 2 solid corners to help the d-line get those sacks we miss! As for Kolb, Philly will only get a second rounder and maybe Beanie Wells to finalize it. Works for both teams, both have something to prove. Otherwise, Orton will look good with Fitz and Breaston (if resigned). If I was Philly though I’d hold onto Kolb, because Vick will break in half this year!

  23. This rumor is from Glen Macnow, same guy who a month or two earlier said Kolb for Patrick Peterson was a “done deal.”

    Grain of salt.

  24. “If I was Philly though I’d hold onto Kolb, because Vick will break in half this year!”

    I was saying this all last year, and I can admit I was wrong.

    The guy took a lot of punishment (and avoid a lot too) last year with a mostly inexperienced OL including a guy who was new starting at Center. (McGlynn) He was GREAT from the pocket and I think he can be again this year (when they can make him one).

    They lost in the playoffs to the eventual Superbowl champs. If Vick’s pass into the end zone it 12 inches higher, The Eagles go up 23-21 in the 4th. That’s all fantasy at this point, granted, but no other team was in that good of a position to take out GB in the playoffs last year, and they were even in the playoffs largely because of MVP Runner-up Mike Vick. (Had they not come back to beat the Giants, they need to win out to get in the playoffs ahead of NY)

  25. If you want to play the “What if” game, then what if the Packers hadn’t dropped a sure touchdown pass at the end of the first half? If that catch had been made, then the last ditch pass by Vick wouldn’t have even mattered.

  26. I sure would hope that the Cardinals wouldn’t give up a player like DRC for the next AJ Feeley. Hell, remember how Andy Reid’s offense had people fooled tha Jeff Garcia was great again in his mid 30’s. The sad thing is, Kolb hasn’t even done that great in the most QB friendly system in the league other than two or three games, against some pretty bad pass defenses.

  27. Aaron Rodgers played very few games because he played behind Favre. Few people predicted he would be as good as he has become.

    Kolb was behind chuncky soup and fight club. Who knows he may be very good he has given indications that he has talent and can play in the NFL. More important can he stay healthy?

  28. capslockkey says:
    Jun 24, 2011 3:14 PM
    I sure would hope that the Cardinals wouldn’t give up a player like DRC for the next AJ Feeley. Hell, remember how Andy Reid’s offense had people fooled tha Jeff Garcia was great again in his mid 30′s. The sad thing is, Kolb hasn’t even done that great in the most QB friendly system in the league other than two or three games, against some pretty bad pass defenses
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    not being sarcastic but do u have any numbers to back that up? and not just kolbs career stats. like game to game stats

  29. In what demented alternate universe is Kolb, the current poster boy for why spread QB’s are a loss in the pros, worth DRC straight up? Philly better have a 1 or 2 added to the deal. This is laughable and obviously the work of some highly imaginative Philly sports writers and journalists.

    Really super funny. Any real news in the NFL right now?

  30. I’m not going to say Kolb is the next Peyton Manning, but I’m also not going to say he isn’t going to be good.

    Judging him based on 7 starts is the most ludicrous thing I’ve ever heard. His starts were against G.B., SF, ATL, Dallas, Ten, NO,and KC.

    He torched KC, Atl, and SF. He he was hurt vs. GB after about 7 throws, he was the ONLY starter to play on offense vs. Dallas’s starting D and still almost won, and he played awful vs. Ten and pretty bad versus a NO team that ended up winning the Superbowl. Again, not saying he’s going to be a stud, but how can you say for sure he won’t? I wouldn’t bet against him.

    Good thing the Colts didn’t judge Manning based on his first seven starts, heck, his passer rating for his first 16 games was 71.2!

  31. Hey joshuavkidd, with the execption of cassel and orton, would you please make a case for any of those other qb’s to start over kolb? I need another good laugh!!! Lmao!

  32. I’d rather keep DRC and pick up Orton than take a flier on a QB with only a handful of games started. Getting rid of a young, talented CB for an unproven QB doesn’t make a lot of sense. I’d love to get Kolb if it were for a draft pick, but not at the expense of a CB that’s already made a Pro Bowl.

  33. Maybe if the Eagles drafted better, their fans wouldn’t come up with ridiculous trades like a backup QB for a previously Pro-Bowl Caliber CB who’s entering his 4th year.

    Did DRC have a bad year last year? Yeah, but the Eagles media keeps acting like we’ll just trade young talent to them like we’re stupid. This rumor is just as dumb as the Patrick Peterson for Kolb rumor.

    Give the Eagles a 2nd rounder and see if they take it; if not, move to orton.

  34. He torched KC, Atl, and SF. He he was hurt vs. GB after about 7 throws, he was the ONLY starter to play on offense vs. Dallas’s starting D and still almost won

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    3 INTs against 1 TD in that Dallas game. 50% passing. Almost won = lost.

  35. LAnyone judging Kolb on his INT’s has never seen him play . His picks almost always came on desperation hail marys (look it up) . Compare his stats with all the QB’s with only 7 starts , i guarantee his stats are at the very least in the 80th percentile . Philly will get a 1st for him , and whoever gets him will have a franchise 26 year old QB !

  36. They lost in the playoffs to the eventual Superbowl champs. If Vick’s pass into the end zone it 12 inches higher, The Eagles go up 23-21 in the 4th.

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    12 inches higher and the pass gets batted down, maybe still intercepted. 24 inches and it MIGHT have been completed. There’s no getting around the fact that Vick tried to force one in to a guy that was covered as well as a WR can be covered on first down, though. And he threw it into the coverage.

  37. Pouring cold water on WHAT trade talk?? The only people mentioning this trade was the media. And if I was in the Eagles front office, theres no way I would trade Kolb for DRC. Remember, if Philly doesnt get what they’re looking for in a trade, then Im sure they’ll be happy to keep the best backup QB in the league.

  38. If the Cards don’t give up whatever necessary for Kolb they will regret it. They are severely overvaluing DRC. A starting caliber qb is easily worth DRC plus a #2

  39. Kolb is OVERRATED!! What has he done?! Seriously he’s had some good games here and there, but he hasn’t even proven that he can win the starting job in Philly.
    So why would AZ trade a top 10 corner in the league for this unproven quarterback?
    Especially since they can probably give away less to get Kyle Orton who has proven just as much if not MORE than Kolb.
    Tebow is going to start in Denver, and Orton is gonna look good in red. mark my words!
    Go Broncos! Go Tebow!

  40. Good thing the Colts didn’t judge Manning based on his first seven starts, heck, his passer rating for his first 16 games was 71.2!

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    You know, people talked bad about Tony Romo after 7 starts. 5-2 record, 98.3 passer rating. Heck they’re still saying it after three Pro Bowl appearances, several “player of the week” awards, Galloping Gobbler, All-Iron Award, #4 all-time YPA, #4 all-time passer rating, #8 all-time completion percentage, #1 all-time adjusted yards per pass attempt, .639 record as a starter (.650 if you only count games that he started AND finished). So yeah if they’re going to say it about Tony Romo after all that, you probably should get used to it being said about Kolb until he does better than that.

  41. I’ve always been pretty right on with Eagles information on here, down to nailing draft picks left and right and I’d almost assure you the Eagles would not trade Kevin Kolb for Rodgers-Cromartie straight up.

    Also, for all of the naysayers on Kolb’s value, I know of at least two teams who have contacted the Eagles and already offered a 1st rounder for him in next year’s draft who finished in the bottom half of the league in 2010.

  42. Cardinals going to learn about former Eagle QB’s the hard way. I hate corners. I think they’re the most overrated, overhyped position in the league today. However I would not give up a guy like DRC for a guy that put up 7 TD’s and 7 Ints in a QB friendly offense with one of the leagues better supporting cast.

  43. Why People keep saying the Eagles would trade anyone for a running back ?? Have you watched the Eagles ??? they don’t run the ball.

    If the Eagles offered Kolb for DRC AZ would jump all over that in 1 second. they would most likely even have to put a 2nd next year on top to make it work. But the truth is I think the Eagles will keep Kolb this year as a back up plan and if Vick proves he’s the guy they will trade him Kolb next year.

    Then all the teams that did need a QB this year who didn’t get the first pick in the draft are going to feel real stupid for not trading a 1 for kolb because next year with the tag the price is two firsts.

  44. Vick has played a 16 game season only once in his career. The Eagles need Kolb as a backup if/when Vick can’t play. If that happens, at least they have a shot with Kolb (especially with an improved OLine). With Kafka, it’s game over.

    I say let Arizona battle it out for the top pick of next year’s draft with Orton, Hasselback or what ever stop gap QB they can find. Forget DRC, just sign Asomugha.

  45. @melon,

    3 ints and 1 td while having 2nd and 3rd stringers block Ware and Ratliff while he is trying to complete passes to Chad Hall, Clay Harbor (3 drops, one of which would have been a 65 yard TD) and Riley Cooper.

    I think having the Cards O-line while throwing to Fitz and Breaston is a little different story.

    As I’ve said before, stats are nice, but they never tell the whole story. And, again, I’m not saying he is going to be a star, but to call him a bum is ridiculous.

  46. Slicknick, stop licking the lotion off your fingers after you’re done beating it. It’s affecting your brain. You just said “kolb is overrated” and then ”go tebow”. Do you eve know what overrated means? Lol.

  47. Melon,

    I don’t understand your point?

    I wasn’t aware that McGee played defense. Was he rushing Kolb? Trying to tackle Kolb?

    If your point is that he led Dallas to a victory and Kolb couldn’t, that’s a terrible comparison. He was facing Philly’s 2nd and 3rd string D with the rest of your healthy starters. Kolb had Nick Cole and Jason Avant for 3 series, then no one.

    And to your point about Romo, I agree with you. I don’t know why people bash him. I get nervous every time the birds are getting ready to face him, that’s how I judge whether or not I truly think a qb is any good. Romo is tough and anyone who says he isn’t, is just looking to hate him because he plays for Dallas.

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