Comments on: Lawyers are trying to persuade players to stand firm

By: mygreenjacket

mygreenjacket — Wed, 29 Jun 2011 00:08:00 +0000

I worked with Kessler in the past. He is extremely intelligent and will only do what is in his client’s best interest. That said, he’ll make a financial killing on this case. Classic case of the rich fighting the rich with rich attorneys….and at the end of the day, they will light their Cuban cigars with $100 bills while they all play golf with each other at the club.

By: pigeonpea

pigeonpea — Tue, 28 Jun 2011 15:04:40 +0000

radrntn says:
lawyers and insurance companies….the root of most of our problems.

You forgot to mention politicians. If you think the problems they create are bad, just wait until you see their solutions!

By: rpiotr01

rpiotr01 — Tue, 28 Jun 2011 14:21:29 +0000

“Stand firm”? Stand firm on what? 48% of all revenue + less off-season work + the cap floor equaling the cap ceiling + better and longer term health benefits post playing days: that’s a better overall deal than the one they have now!

I frankly don’t know why the OWNERS would agree to such a deal (especially the cap floor and ceiling being so close), other than they really just do want football to be played in 2011.

By: canuck54143

canuck54143 — Tue, 28 Jun 2011 13:43:11 +0000

Well the Players should know that even if they screw this up the owners are still making money even without football. I live in Green Bay and drove by Lambeau Field and it was packed full of fans paying hard in dollars touring the stadium, and hall of fame. Bring on the replacement players I’ve had enough.

By: bonniebengal

bonniebengal — Tue, 28 Jun 2011 13:05:11 +0000

The players need to realize that they’ve opened a huge chunk of that NFL pie to the lawyers. They are going to lose even more money in the long run.

By: dspyank2k11

dspyank2k11 — Tue, 28 Jun 2011 12:33:46 +0000

Of course the lawyers would want that…

On another note, that picture in the story:

That is the Sh!ttiest Sh!t-Eating grin I have EVER seen.

By: quirtevans

quirtevans — Tue, 28 Jun 2011 12:28:04 +0000

“Litigators should never be allowed within 24,000 miles of a deal table. Ever.”

Amen. You need deal-makers, not litigators.

However, most of the posters here assume that the lawyers are being paid on an hourly basis. That may or may not be true. Remember, De Smith is a corporate lawyer. Hopefully, he was smart enough to negotiate a different sort of arrangement with the lawyers. One that creates the right incentives to get to a deal, and doesn’t incentivize the lawyers to drag this out for as long as possible.

If not, the players should blame Smith for setting up the wrong incentives.

In any event, settling fast, on whatever terms the owners are now proposing, may or may not be a good deal for the players. The people posting here are thinking as fans. If they were in the shoes of the players, they might feel differently.

By: twitter:Chapman_Jamie

twitter:Chapman_Jamie — Tue, 28 Jun 2011 12:11:39 +0000

@andyreidisfat

I have watched Fox News, along with several other news outlets and they don’t feature lawyers any more than any of the rest so I’m not sure where you were going with that. I also have to question where you came up with the idea about the “liberal elite” only being associated with lawyers. As a ——, I can say that you went on a political rant that had nothing to do with the NFL labor situation. I suggest leaving those to the political websites.

The people on this site want football. The majority of us think that had negotiations been going on all this time as opposed to litigation they would have made a deal by now. When something like this comes out it raises the question as to who advised the players to de-certify as opposed to using the negotiation route. I assure you it was the lawyers and their political affiliation is meaningless to anyone with half a brain.

Again, take your tea party hatred and politics in general off of this website. Many of us are on here to get away from stuff like that. You know, bread and circus. Look it up genius.

By: oldbyrd

oldbyrd — Tue, 28 Jun 2011 11:56:11 +0000

To schemefactory: If all you commies would leave the country their would be no problem. That includes taking the scumbag Unions with you. Thjese guys are employees Moron

By: dave1961

dave1961 — Tue, 28 Jun 2011 11:54:13 +0000

Most lawyers are snakes but I have met a few that actually are very good people.

By: catman72

catman72 — Tue, 28 Jun 2011 11:23:51 +0000

What do you call 500 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean?

…a good start

By: dickroy

dickroy — Tue, 28 Jun 2011 11:00:46 +0000

How many lawyers are x football players?

By: andyreidisfat

andyreidisfat — Tue, 28 Jun 2011 08:58:38 +0000

Yes these lawyers in probably the biggest and most know anti-trust case in the history of this country are “dragging” it out make money ……. *shakes head*

Or they are making sure their clients get the best deal possible. One because its their job and two because if they do well then the next Union with a problem with hire them.

To think any lawyer in this case is “dragging” anything out is retarded. More like they want to make sure each client gets what they want.

Seriously Football needs to start because the level of stupidity rises every day on this site. I think we have about 60% moronic right wing tea party douche bags on here. They think anytime you hear the word lawyer that must mean they are liberal elite or whatever the hell that means.

Seriously get out of your moms basement. And turn off the fox news.

To the people on this site who are not stupid (you know who you are) sorry once again i am not talking about you .

By: ronmexico4life

ronmexico4life — Tue, 28 Jun 2011 06:54:25 +0000

and yes, the guy in the picture and whatever side he is on looks like a complete doosh

By: ronmexico4life

ronmexico4life — Tue, 28 Jun 2011 06:52:59 +0000

why would anybody expect the players/their lawyers to just take a deal? the owners wanted, for the most part, a lot of change. why would anybody just accept a deal? most major courtroom decisions take years, not just months. i’m not a lawyer, but a realist (i know, polar opposites) and ANYBODY who thought this was about fans should just stop being a fan of the NFL, because there will NEVER be a day when we stop watching the games, going to the games with or without season tickets, buying the jerseys and video games, etc…

And if you’re on the side of just getting rid of the laywers, do you really think accomplished businessmen/owners would not completley take advantage of players like brees, brady, peyton etc. negotiating on their own? These high money decisions just take time. If it ends by mid-July, we’re ALL lucky!

By: downsouth49er

downsouth49er — Tue, 28 Jun 2011 06:14:35 +0000

Lawyers are in it to not only make money, but to get their names out there. The longer this thing drags on the more money and recognition they get. Recognition of any kind can be a good thing even if it’s bad. This whole situation makes me sick as a fan who supports both the owners and players!! Fighting over money while people in the world are starving. What a disgrace!! Only in America!!

By: firethorn1001

firethorn1001 — Tue, 28 Jun 2011 05:55:45 +0000

‘I sure would like to hear the Lawyers side of the story.’

I’m sure it goes something like this.

Mo’ Money
Mo’ Money
Mo’ Money

By: txhc

txhc — Tue, 28 Jun 2011 04:46:50 +0000

Of course the lawyers want the players to “stand firm” (aka drag this out as long as possible), they’re getting paid by the hour!

By: timegambit

timegambit — Tue, 28 Jun 2011 04:35:35 +0000

If this dispute gets decided by the lawyers than we can expect football back by 2014, hopefully.

Get back to the issues and send the lawyers home.

WTF do they care if the season is lost…They’re lawyers, not football players!

Their gain is your/our loss.

By: peanutbutter&jelly

peanutbutter&jelly — Tue, 28 Jun 2011 04:25:52 +0000

@wingt- i’ll tell you the lawyers side.

200 dollars an hour for services
300 dollars an hour if you want to suggest things to them
400 dollars an hour if you disagree with them
and 1000 dollars an hour if you tried to settle this first but had to call them anyway and 2000 dollars an hour if watch them while they work

the absolute worst thing that could happen to any fan of football is lawyers getting involved.and i’l go as far as to say anytime lawyers are involved with anyones life it’s probly gonna mess up their life for the most part

By: tommyf15

tommyf15 — Tue, 28 Jun 2011 04:13:15 +0000

Deb says:
Obviously you guys think the owners are represented by Boy Scouts who are paid in merit badges. No lawyers on their payroll … nahhh.

Exactly.

By: goawayeverybody

goawayeverybody — Tue, 28 Jun 2011 04:12:12 +0000

That lawyer has a face only a mother would love.

By: cuzidid42

cuzidid42 — Tue, 28 Jun 2011 04:05:41 +0000

The picture tells it all. The only ones smiling and laughing are the lawyers…..I wonder why!!!!!!!

By: bhm12

bhm12 — Tue, 28 Jun 2011 03:56:30 +0000

Franklin & Bash would get this done!

By: silkyjohnson937

silkyjohnson937 — Tue, 28 Jun 2011 03:29:16 +0000

This is frustrating as a fan the nfl is gonna keep messing things up until they end up with more teams losing money than making money take the nba for example, i have read that the nba has 22 of the 30 teams losing money, and baseball hasnt been the same for a long time and i heard the dodgers filed for bankruptcy so I guess what im saying is the nfl needs to STOP PLAYING AROUND because they will be arguing over money that they dont have when they push fans away and fans decide to revolt everyone that says the owners have the power,or the players is full of it the power is with the paying customers

By: ranger40

ranger40 — Tue, 28 Jun 2011 03:22:31 +0000

Forget the owners’ billions, the players’ millions, and the lawyers’ retirement fund, and think of the everyday guy that counts on the NFL for a paycheck. Vendors, ushers, team employees, hotels, restaurants, and anybody else that benefits from having a season has to be worried that the season may be in jeopardy. We are talking of people making tens of thousands of dollars praying they don’t miss a check, and we are not just talking regular season. Pre-season games mean just as much to them. Whenever anybody involved says they feel the fan’s frustration, I cringe. Forget the fan, how about the person providing for their family not knowing if they will have a job to go to in July like they have every year. The timeline may be to not miss any regular season games, but each day that goes by, you risk training camp, then pre-season, then the real deal. Each day missed is a chunk of change out of people’s pockets and I am not talking about the greedy people banging each other with a hammer to squeeze out as much as they can. Get it done, lock yourselves in a room and compromise. If you don’t remember what that is, Sesame Street is on weekday mornings, check your local listings.

By: irchs1963

irchs1963 — Tue, 28 Jun 2011 03:22:29 +0000

In reference to…. “Lawyers are trying to persuade players to stand firm” …let’s have a reality check and word it more appropriately to ‘Lawyers are trying to persuade players to line their pockets’….It’s just my point of view.

By: wil1434

wil1434 — Tue, 28 Jun 2011 03:09:39 +0000

If I were in the NFLPA I would show that a** face Kessler the video of Andre Johnson kicking Cortland Finnegan’s butt and ask him if he wanted to keep litigating.

By: trbowman

trbowman — Tue, 28 Jun 2011 03:06:21 +0000

lol at the people who always try to make snarky political comments

By: jeff061

jeff061 — Tue, 28 Jun 2011 03:05:29 +0000

Der..if you’re an Atty you want to draw out these massive fees for as long as possible!