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Derrick Mason: Peyton Manning is the NFL’s best player, hands down

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NFL Network will soon reveal who the best player in the league is, according to a survey of players. Ravens receiver Derrick Mason says there shouldn’t be any suspense about it: It’s got to be Peyton Manning.

“I think if I’m ranking right now who’s a top player like I said I think it’s Peyton Manning. Hands down it is Peyton Manning,” Mason said on 105.7 The Fan in Baltimore, via SportsRadioInterviews.com.

Mason said that his criteria for ranking players are based on how those players’ teams would look without them. And he thinks that the Colts would be a terrible team without Manning, which is why he should be considered the best.

“When you look at the rankings and you look at the importance of a player is this: Not the type of season that he had, one seasons or two seasons that he had, it’s what player do I kick off a team and it changes that team dramatically? I only know one player and it’s Peyton Manning,” Mason said. “You take Tom Brady off New England they showed that they can go 11-5. Now you take Peyton Manning off the Colts I don’t know where that teams goes offensively.”

Manning has never missed a game, so we really don’t know what kind of team the Colts would be without him, but Mason is probably right: The Patriots without Brady were a pretty good team. The Colts without Manning would stink.

But we’ve got a feeling that on Mason’s larger point, about Manning being by far the best player in the NFL, we’ll hear from plenty of Patriots fans who disagree.

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174 Responses to “Derrick Mason: Peyton Manning is the NFL’s best player, hands down”
  1. ravensfan4life52 says: Jun 28, 2011 12:34 PM

    Mason I love ya bro, but you’re wrong.

  2. trbowman says: Jun 28, 2011 12:34 PM

    He’s right about the Colts. Take Manning off that team and they’re the worst in football.

  3. ppdoc13 says: Jun 28, 2011 12:34 PM

    I would agree except for the fact that Peyton comes up small in his biggest games. He was at best average in the Superbowl win and he tossed the pick 6 to lose the game in his second SB. This is his pattern all the way back to college. The bigger the game, the tighter the collar around his neck.

  4. bluvayner says: Jun 28, 2011 12:36 PM

    So, he’s saying that a player is better because his backup sucks?

  5. ButkisMyDick says: Jun 28, 2011 12:37 PM

    “You take Tom Brady off New England they showed that they can go 11-5.” You put the QB who filled in for Brady and put him on the Chiefs and they make it to the playoffs with one of the best records. Peyton is overrated. The best player in the league would be able to carry their team, like Brady did during a rebuilding season and still win the unanimous MVP.

  6. cakemixa says: Jun 28, 2011 12:38 PM

    You put Manning on your team and you get a below .500 playoff record. 11 playoff appearances and 1 SB win!

  7. jaggedmark says: Jun 28, 2011 12:40 PM

    How many seasons in a row did the Colts win 12 or more games, 7?

    And doesn’t Peyton Manning have a .500 playoff record?

    He’s NOT the best player in the NFL, let alone hands down.

  8. axltcu says: Jun 28, 2011 12:43 PM

    3 > 1

  9. berniemadoffsides says: Jun 28, 2011 12:44 PM

    It’s a toss-up between the two, it really is, but Mason makes a good point here. You could make the argument that either/or is the best in the league for any number of reasons, but Brady *does* have three Super Bowls and the TD record.

    I’ll never forget that one Monday Night Football Colts/Bucs back in 2003 where he scored 21 points in the final three minutes of the game against a seriously dangerous Bucs defense. I think it goes without question that Peyton is the heart and soul of the Colts offense, and if he were to miss a game it’d be a catastrophe for Indy.

  10. ctgiant says: Jun 28, 2011 12:46 PM

    Look at the Colts with him, and before him?
    In either case, Peyton Manning’s never missed a game in what, 13 years?
    In addition, every year, the Colts are one of the best teams in the league, and always hard to beat, WHY?

  11. myspaceyourface says: Jun 28, 2011 12:48 PM

    The older and slower Derrick Mason gets, the faster his mouth runs. Why does anyone care what he thinks. Please stop reporting on him.

  12. ButkisMyDick says: Jun 28, 2011 12:48 PM

    trbowman says: Jun 28, 2011 12:34 PM

    He’s right about the Colts. Take Manning off that team and they’re the worst in football.

    They’re not so great with him either.

  13. ButkisMyDick says: Jun 28, 2011 12:49 PM

    “In addition, every year, the Colts are one of the best teams in the league, and always hard to beat, WHY?”

    and the Patriots aren’t? 14-2 in a rebuilding year isn’t so bad. Also, considering they got rid of Moss and Tom Brady’s main receiver is Deion Branch plus a couple of rookies and of course Welker.

  14. benh999 says: Jun 28, 2011 12:49 PM

    The real message is that Bill Pollian would not be particularly well-regarded were it not for the no-brainer of picking the best QB with the first overall pick in the draft. That the Colts happened to be horrible enough to “earn” that pick the year before Manning declared is just dumb luck.

    Plus, that his team has such mediocre QB depth should hardly count in favor of Manning. Having a competent starter backing up Tom Brady is a credit to the Patriots, not a credit to Manning.

  15. panther17 says: Jun 28, 2011 12:54 PM

    Peyton>Brady

  16. CKL says: Jun 28, 2011 12:55 PM

    The Pats don’t build a team around one player offensive skill position wise…that’s just as big of a reason as Manning’s skill.
    The counter would be could Peyton have led the Pats to the playoffs with Brady’s 06 WR corps?

  17. apdynasty23 says: Jun 28, 2011 12:55 PM

    Brady = Montana
    Manning = Marino

    Peyton will always get the vote from fans and the media because a) he looks funny and the average American does too (whereas Brady is basically a rich model that married another model and still throws for 50 TDs) b) he’s from that Americana Manning family that always gets the entire family to sit down for an interview to discuss how Eli used to get murked by Peyton as a little boy and c) Manning does all the endorsements and is a media wh0re while Brady stays out of the limelight.

    Like Marino, Manning can have all the media and fan driven accolades. I’ll take the rings.

  18. komments says: Jun 28, 2011 12:56 PM

    Manning has never missed a game…

    While technically correct – not the full story.

    Remember two years ago when Dungy pulled Manning early in two games? They got the following stat lines from Curtis Painter:

    4-11-1 44 yards 0 TDs QBR=11.2
    4-17-1 39 yards 0 TDs QBR=15.1

    Painter also lost a fumble in each of those games. And I am still trying to figure out the second game got a higher QBR (must have been the sacks) because it looks even worse than the first game.

  19. apdynasty23 says: Jun 28, 2011 12:57 PM

    By the time it’s all said and done, Brady will have at least five rings and will go down as the greatest EVER (yes, even over Montana because Brady will have done it in the free agency and salary cap era).

    Get used to it, morons.

  20. medtxpack says: Jun 28, 2011 1:01 PM

    @ apdynasty23

    i think we all know who the Moron is…hint…look in the mirror.

  21. golonger says: Jun 28, 2011 1:02 PM

    ravenfan….you are 100% right…I love mason too but he’s WRONG….the best players in the league dont choke in crucial situations…..you put a decent QB on the Colts and they would be decent….just look at the number of players on the Colts that are IN the top 100…..that pretty much sums it up………everyone has this ridiculous notion that Manning doesn’t have anybody around him…especially when depleted with injuries…..bullhockey….the Colts are stacked with high -med draft picks..even back-ups……the proof is in the analysis….stop the madness

  22. tombradyswig says: Jun 28, 2011 1:03 PM

    I’d rather have Tom. Not a fan of either team.

  23. apdynasty23 says: Jun 28, 2011 1:03 PM

    Brady has better career numbers (or at least the same as Manning’s numbers) while playing most of his games OUTDOORS in BOSTON. Manning for years got 8 games in climate-controlled dome, sunny Jacksonville, and indoor Houston.

    Manning has had Pro-Bowl, and multiple borderline HOF receivers since day one almost. Brady just got one in 2007 and for those 3 years, put up numbers better than Manning.

    Please, oh please.

  24. dexterismyhero says: Jun 28, 2011 1:05 PM

    @apdynasty23 says:
    Jun 28, 2011 12:57 PM
    By the time it’s all said and done, Brady will have at least five rings and will go down as the greatest EVER (yes, even over Montana because Brady will have done it in the free agency and salary cap era).

    Get used to it, morons.
    ================================

    hahaha. Very funny and so untrue…..

  25. apdynasty23 says: Jun 28, 2011 1:06 PM

    More Pro Bowlers on Manning’s rosters. Look it up.

    Both have had one top-5 defense and 3 in the top 20′s so you can shove all that crap about “yeah but Belichick’s defense masked Brady’s inefficiencies”

    Both had three defenses ranked 9th, 10th, 11th.

    Brady’s Super Bowl numbers are better than his regular season numbers and playoff numbers.

    Brady has a better indoor QB rating: 103.1 vs. 99.5
    Brady has a better outdoor QB rating: 93.4 vs. 90.7

    Brady has a much better playoff record: 14-4 vs. 9-9.

    There, I’ll shut up now :)

  26. mikejd12 says: Jun 28, 2011 1:07 PM

    Dont gimmie that matt cassel took his team to the playoffs B.S. The running game took that team to the playoffs. There running game was so good that it opened up for cassell and he had a good second half of the season. Stop the running game cassell is not winning a playoff game….Now to Manning. He is the best player in the league. Everyone one here wants to point to the guys playoff wins and losses. Ever look at the guys stats in the playoffs. Go ahead and look it up, because if you call that choking then i wonder who your teams QB is. If it wasnt for manning the team would be garbage. The team had NO running game last year and the guy kept winning games for them. You say well hes only got one superbowl. Well guess what there are tons of players that dont even win a superbowl. How many active qbs acctually have a ring out of 32 teams. Not even half! So using that logic is garbage. And dont tell me that brady is better then manning because of super bowl rings. super bowl rings have much more to do with just a QB. I dont know if you relize this but there are 21 other players out there also that have to chip in for that. Manning is the best player he does more preperation then any other QB, studys the game more, practices more. I mean do you think that jacob tamme, or anthony gonzalez, or austin colle, would be as good as they are anywhere else. You guys think that colts just draft that good lol…..thats a joke. Manning makes these guys. He knows every position and what every postion player has to do on every play. He is the only legitamint QB that is also an offensive cordinator. The colts has had new head coaches, new offensive cordinators and the guy still gets it done…..period. Brady is great and executes his system great but last time i checked….3 playoff apperances and zero wins (if you wanna forget about the other 21 guys out there). Im not even a colts fan but it is what it is.

  27. mrizzo44 says: Jun 28, 2011 1:07 PM

    Of course Peyton is the best.

    On a side note, I love how people use the “KC made the playoffs” card, to attempt to shoot down the argument that the Pats did just fine without Brady. Sorry, but Matt Cassel is not a good QB, and he led the Pats to 11 wins, because they’re a great team, with great coaches.

    Peyton IS the Colts. He’s pretty much a coach on the field, and the majority of the team around him stinks.

  28. golonger says: Jun 28, 2011 1:07 PM

    if the Colts defense didnt stage the most miraculous comeback (i.e. worst D in reg season, best in playoffs)…Ravens beat the Colts..which means Manning’s meager playoff record goes to poor…and no SBs…….he didnt even carry them on his back THAT year…..

    If that was the case…the everyday conversation would be…..why is manning a choke artist?……thanks to his defense…he has evaded that (although the Saints SB was further evidence)…he should kiss the ground they walk on…….

    Bottom line….no QB in history has been given as much offensive talent to work with over a 10 year period…….and guess what…It didnt work……….sorry

  29. bleedgreen says: Jun 28, 2011 1:08 PM

    Brady didn’t win 3 Super Bowls. The NE defense won 2 of those games. Intercepted McNabb THREE TIMES. If you take those INTs from the game, the Pats lose and Brady didn’t do enough. 23/33 for 237 and 2TD and 0INT vs McNabb 30/51 for 357 3TD and 3INT. So yeah, lets not say that just because he has 3 rings that that makes him the greatest ever. Its like saying that Bob Griese is better than Dan Marino because Griese has 2 rings and Marino has none. The argument holds no weight at all and discounts what the rest of the team did.

  30. PFTiswhatitis says: Jun 28, 2011 1:08 PM

    Brady is better.
    Masons argument that Manning is better because the Colts backups suck is moronic. Since when do you judge talent that way?

  31. ButkisMyDick says: Jun 28, 2011 1:08 PM

    If Manning had the season Brady just had, I’d be the first to say how great Manning was, so why can’t Colts/Manning fans do the same?

  32. Playmaker's Dealer says: Jun 28, 2011 1:12 PM

    newsflash: he’ll finish 2nd to Brady….again

  33. killxswitch says: Jun 28, 2011 1:12 PM

    axltcu says: Jun 28, 2011 12:43 PM

    3* > 1

    * – Won by cheating

  34. ianwhetstone says: Jun 28, 2011 1:12 PM

    rbowman says: Jun 28, 2011 12:34 PM

    He’s right about the Colts. Take Manning off that team and they’re the worst in football.
    ____________________________________

    Oh, nonsense. This sentiment is ridiculous, and gets horribly exaggerated by the utter dog crap that Indy sticks behind Manning on the depth chart. If you ask your average Colts fan, Reggie Wayne is a Hall of Famer, Dallas Clark is a All-Pro, Freeney and Mathis are the two best defensive ends in the AFC, Bethea and Brackett are Pro Bowlers, and Bill Polian is the best GM in football.

    And yet, they’ll also swear that without Manning, the team would be nothing. Well, you can’t have it both ways.

  35. vargafamily1 says: Jun 28, 2011 1:13 PM

    Let’s all be honest here, Peyton Manning is by far the best QB in the league. His accuracy is far better than Bradys is, can read defensives better and is more decisive. A complete package as far as QB play goes.

    People point to Brady’s SB and playoff records. Yes, very impressive, yet Football is the ultimate TEAM game. All eleven guys have got to do their jobs. That’s why Football is the ultimate sport. Team. Not individual.

    Here’s one quick example: Would you agree that Tony Gonzales is far better then any TE New England has had during their SB runs? Yes you would. Tony Gonzales has zero playoff wins, does that mean Ben Coats is better?

  36. patswinagain says: Jun 28, 2011 1:16 PM

    Mason is miffed at the Pats from a previous free agency opportunity. The Pats wanted him but weren’t going to over pay like the Ravens did. This is just sour grapes.
    Who cares who ends up 1 or 100. Pats fans know its about the jewelry anyways. You can give Peyton all the accolades, sponsors, stats, media love…it comes down to the fans knowledge of the Lombardi’s in the case versus others trying to justify with stats.

  37. jaggedmark says: Jun 28, 2011 1:17 PM

    Nice interception Manning threw on the game tying drive in the Super Bowl against New Orleans.

    Tracy Porter doesn’t think Peyton Manning is the best.

  38. sschmiggles says: Jun 28, 2011 1:17 PM

    The Patriots were a good team without Brady because they invest in their players from the bottom up. Belichick has always placed an emphasis on developing a strong backup QB. They have always been about the ability to win without their star players.

    Saying the Colts wouldn’t succeed without Manning is one of the dumbest arguments you can make in Manning’s favor. For one, it’s never happened, so we don’t even know if it’s true or not. Not to mention this kind of thinking is insulting to the other team’s stars–it’s not like Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis are going to call in the season because Peyton got hurt.

    Second, the Colts simply don’t invest in backup quarterbacks like the Pats do. The Patriots draft a QB almost every year. They frequently bring in veterans to compete for the backup spot.

    Maybe if the Colts’ philosophy was something other than “we’ve got Peyton, so we don’t need no stinkin’ backup” they’d have less to worry about in the event of an injury.

    If you ask me, as a Pats fan, this whole argument is stupid. How do you determine who the “best player” in the NFL is? Is that based on athletic ability, intelligence, or what? The positions are all so different–and all require working with other positions, unlike most other sports–that choosing the “best player” means little to nothing without their teammates getting some of the credit credit.

    Peyton can certainly thank Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, and Marvin Harrison for contributing their talent to his game. Similarly, Brady’s always had a solid oline, definitely better than the Colts’, and after 2006, he’s had some good receivers as well.

    The fact is that as quarterbacks, they’re as even as it gets. Peyton is know for calling out defenses at the line. This is something Brady does equally well; he just doesn’t get the atttention for it.

    They’re both extremely accurate passers. They both have good arms and good pocket presence. Neither is a clutch player in the playoffs anymore, though they’re both known for comebacks in the regular season.

    I’m happy with Brady on my team, but I’d be just as happy with Peyton. God knows that guy has ****ed on us in the 4th quarter more than once.

  39. golonger says: Jun 28, 2011 1:19 PM

    vargafamily1 = blind homer…..

    first of all…..baloney…you know NOTHING about playing the position…..

    The Colts offensive scheme is about as simple as it gets……Manning runs a flag football style offense (not saying i disagree with doing this but…)it is what it is….manning reads the defense pre-snap….much easier than reading post snap (i.e. Brady and others)

    Is manning good at what he does….yes…..but let’s keep it real.

    Also, your TE comparison is beyond ridiculous…..the QB is THE position…..and wins and how he wins defines him……not the case with TEs

  40. golonger says: Jun 28, 2011 1:21 PM

    ..yes..AND look at Manning’s TD to Int ratio in the year he DID win a SB…..thanks to his D………wake up people

  41. winkeroni says: Jun 28, 2011 1:23 PM

    I don’t think either Brady or Manning had a guy behind them last year that anyone would want under center if they went down. Painter and Hoyer aren’t very good. I could be wrong, but I believe the Pats took Mallett because Hoyer just isn’t anything special. It would be interesting to see how many games either team would have won last year with Painter and Hoyer as starting qb’s.

  42. vargafamily1 says: Jun 28, 2011 1:27 PM

    Blind Homer? Homer for whom exactly? I hate both the Colts and the Pats, in fact I have a rather distain for the AFC in general. I just call them as I see them.

    How do I determine who’s better? I watch.

    Oh yea, tell the QB that QB is THE position when his LT fails and he gets smacked. I think they’re all THE position.

  43. pftwstbshmc says: Jun 28, 2011 1:27 PM

    What D. Mason said is his opinion and everyone is entitled to one. But like the old saying goes…..

    The only problem is that he should have prefaced it with “One of the best” versus the “hands down” statement. Then it would be difficult to argue the fact, because he really is one of the best of today.

    However he is not even the best at his position, never mind all the players in the league. There are a lot of players in every aspect of the game that could and should be considered the “best of the best” and the reality is that any arguement for these guys would be valid.

    I personally would like to see a name other than Manning, Brady or any other of the names that always seem to come up in these discussions get the nod because without the supporting cast, these big names wouldn’t be so big.

  44. ravensfan4life52 says: Jun 28, 2011 1:27 PM

    yall are dumb. arguing between Brady and Peyton. the only people that think Peyton is better are Colts fans or people who don’t know anything about football. but it doesn’t matter because neither one of them should be number 1. RAY LEWIS ALL DAY! you take him off of the Ravens D! man I’m going to be very sad that day. If you’re basing it off of what that team would look like without the player, then Ray Lewis has to be no. 1.

  45. joetoronto says: Jun 28, 2011 1:28 PM

    All these Pats fans with their panties in a knot.

    It’s simple, the Colts minus Manning equal a very bad team.

    The Pats minus Brady equal a solid team.

    The Colts ARE Manning, the Pats ARE Bellichick.

  46. CKL says: Jun 28, 2011 1:28 PM

    golonger says:
    Jun 28, 2011 1:19 PM

    The Colts offensive scheme is about as simple as it gets
    __________________________________
    That is the gods honest truth and it NEVER EVER EVER gets mentioned. NO motions, very few plays, etc. When they started running bubble screens it shocked me since they so seldom add ANYTHING to their offense.

  47. golonger says: Jun 28, 2011 1:29 PM

    ianwhetstone – kudos

    But Colts fans do have it both ways……….when the Colts win 14 games during the season it is all Manning…….when Manning chokes and they lose in the playoffs…….it is always…..”oh, its a team game”….so, yes they do want it both ways…..which is it? LOL

  48. ButkisMyDick says: Jun 28, 2011 1:29 PM

    killxswitch says: Jun 28, 2011 1:12 PM

    axltcu says: Jun 28, 2011 12:43 PM

    3* > 1

    * – Won by cheating

    Broncos, Steelers, and pretty much every other team “cheated” and they didn’t win any Superbowls, did they?

  49. killxswitch says: Jun 28, 2011 1:30 PM

    ianwhetstone says: Jun 28, 2011 1:12 PM

    Oh, nonsense. This sentiment is ridiculous, and gets horribly exaggerated by the utter dog crap that Indy sticks behind Manning on the depth chart. If you ask your average Colts fan, Reggie Wayne is a Hall of Famer, Dallas Clark is a All-Pro, Freeney and Mathis are the two best defensive ends in the AFC, Bethea and Brackett are Pro Bowlers, and Bill Polian is the best GM in football.

    And yet, they’ll also swear that without Manning, the team would be nothing. Well, you can’t have it both ways.
    —————

    What are you basing this on? Bits and pieces of conversation with Colts fans on the internet? You can’t just piece that together and say “All Colts fans are this way”. It makes you look ignorant.

    As for your other claims: Wayne is great but is not a HOFer, Clark is on an all-pro level when he is healthy, Freeney and Mathis are at times the best pass rushing tandem in the NFL (and at other times are invisible), Bethea is underappreciated by everyone, and Brackett is now somehow overrated because he was at one time underrated. Bill Polian is a pompous windbag that likes pansy football. For now I’m glad his son is in charge.

    And yes, if Manning were to leave (which he won’t) the Colts would be a bottom 3 team in the NFL and would have to complete rebuild the entire team.

  50. redrew says: Jun 28, 2011 1:31 PM

    Manning is surrounded by 1st round WRs and RBs. Brady has played with one 1st round offensive player….ever….a guard. Forgive me for not bowing to the horse face

  51. qj1984 says: Jun 28, 2011 1:36 PM

    I wont totally agree with Mason because I do care more about winning than I do stats but he makes a point. The Pats can still win without Brady because Belichick knows how to adjust and use his players properly. The Colts are nothing without Manning. I know Brady has played with some crap receivers in the past but hell so has Manning. Yeah having Reggie Wayne is nice but those other guys Jacob Tamme, Pierre Garcon, and Austin Collie only look good because of Manning. Put any of them on another team and they are probably out of the league in a few years.

    And I am more than sure Mason considered Cassell being on the playoff team the Chiefs. I guess you can color him unimpressed since Cassell looked like a rookie vs. the Ravens defense. Cassell, imo, is on par with Derek Anderson. Give him one good wr and a running game and he can look decent. Take that good wr and the running game away and he will fall apart.

    Having said all that I still dont know if I’d take Manning if given the choice. But Mase makes a good argument.

  52. dangonavyboy says: Jun 28, 2011 1:37 PM

    i would like to have either one..but be real people how many playoff games did manning put his team up to win..only to have his DEFENSE lose the game..look i will easily say if manning had bradys defense or hell even just a top 15 defense in the over the past 10 years he would have 2-5 superbowl rings..and if brady had the colts defense yeah ..colts have never never ever had a defense..every year they would never hold onto the lead in the playoffs when manning would give it to them..so i dont blame manning for losing alot of playoff games cause hell..you give your team tthe lead with 1:30 or 2:00 left that should be game..but when the defense gives up a td or fg to let them take the lead with like 45secs left..kinda hard to make something happen every time..the colts got the offense part right by drafting manning..but for some reason even 13 years later they still cant figure out the how to make the defense better..

  53. tumtum1288 says: Jun 28, 2011 1:41 PM

    Not trying to take anything away from Brady but seriously, he has had the better coaching staff through out it all which is why when Brady goes down and cassel came in they still played well. Belichick is a huge part of the patriots success and constantly having Superbowl contending teams. He puts the team together and he calls the plays. Brady is a great QB among the top 5 all time for sure but in all honesty Manning runs that colts offense completely from under the center. If only the colts could get a great d-coordinator then they’d have a dynasty by now too. Its too hard to argue either way cause they are both top 5 all time QB and they both have different situations and moments of success. All i know is that i enjoy every game they play against each other cause I’m pretty sure that is the greatest spectacles football has to offer. Nothing better than Brady vs Manning in the Playoffs or on Sunday night.

  54. lacharger2112 says: Jun 28, 2011 1:42 PM

    The best player in the league is Chad Ochocinco Johnson… just ask him!

  55. unbiasedfootballfan says: Jun 28, 2011 1:43 PM

    I don’t understand the take peyton off of the colts and they stink argument. Isn’t that just saying that the GM and ownership of the colts isn’t very good? So if you took Brady and traded him to the bills and they won 8 games next year would Brady then be the best QB in the league because take brady off of the bills and they would stink…

  56. unbiasedfootballfan says: Jun 28, 2011 1:45 PM

    They are just about even statistically while brady has better winning % and more superbowls. Now if you remember manning plays 8 games a year in a dome, 1 game in Jax, 1 game in nashville. Brady plays 8 games in foxboro with 1 game in new york and 1 game in buffalo. Mason is right it is a no contest who the best is…its brady

  57. unbiasedfootballfan says: Jun 28, 2011 1:46 PM

    and brady’s response to mason would be they have beat us 1 time in ten years… I for one love it when these ravens players open up about the patriots… it makes them look like petty clowns. I guess their new strategy is if you can’t beat them on the field than insult them off of it.

  58. justinaimshigh says: Jun 28, 2011 1:48 PM

    Everyone here does realize that the patriots (that includes Brady) cheated their way through the last decade right? Anyone? Spygate? ANYONE?

  59. benh999 says: Jun 28, 2011 1:49 PM

    Why don’t we really settle this? I’ve yet to see a PFT poll for best QB among the two…

    Personally, I don’t particularly like either of them. Both have comparable numbers and have had varying degrees of supporting talent on either side of the ball over the years. The number and importance of areas where one would seem to be better than the other (passing numbers, regular season wins, postseason wins, throwing strength, accuracy, etc) look to be about even. Their backups’ talent should be irrelevant.

    One could also make the argument that Manning gets points just for playing on a team with a bigger and better fanbase than Brady.

  60. FinFan68 says: Jun 28, 2011 1:50 PM

    Manning and Brady are both great players but I would take Brady.

    For those that use the “Cassell took the Patriots to 11-5″ argument consider this:
    The Dolphins were 1-15 the previous year and that team also went 11-5 and just barely beat out the Patriots for the div crown the year Brady went down. Both teams had basically the same schedule. I think that if Brady didn’t get injured, the Pats would have been 15-1.

    Both are great. Manning may look more masterful at the line of scrimmage but Brady comes through in the clutch more often than not.

  61. boblavoie says: Jun 28, 2011 2:00 PM

    Mason said that his criteria for ranking players are based on how those players’ teams would look without them. And he thinks that the Colts would be a terrible team without Manning, which is why he should be considered the best.

    $$$$$$$$$$$

    No kidding – Where in the he## did they find their coach. Bring back Dungy – they maybe Manning will be #32 in the league.

  62. georgeanderson2 says: Jun 28, 2011 2:02 PM

    Manning does not equal Marino.
    Marino did not win a Super Bowl. Marino keeps sliding down the all time QB ladder.
    Marino was an excellent QB. He gave his team a chance to win, he entertained fans and put butts in the seats, but to get in the VIP room of the all time great qb’s you have to not only have stats but Championships.

  63. davoider says: Jun 28, 2011 2:03 PM

    The issue that so many people are having here, apparently including Dereck Mason, is the NFL countdown is not a debate on who has had the best career. Its about the best players in 2011. How many Super Bowls win a player has in previous years is irrelevent, the question is who right now is playing at the highest level. Based on 2011 alone, for me there is no question Brady deserves to be higher than Peyton. In my opinion, Aaron Rogers is also clearly above him. We are not debating career stats here, it is a list ranking who the best players in the NFL were in 2011.

  64. sagnam says: Jun 28, 2011 2:04 PM

    “cakemixa says:
    Jun 28, 2011 12:38 PM
    You put Manning on your team and you get a below .500 playoff record. 11 playoff appearances and 1 SB win!”

    My favorite team has a .000 playoff record. 0 playoff appearances and 0 SB wins over that same stretch. So yes, please put him on my team in 1999.

  65. coltsfan187 says: Jun 28, 2011 2:08 PM

    redrew says: Jun 28, 2011 1:31 PM

    Manning is surrounded by 1st round WRs and RBs. Brady has played with one 1st round offensive player….ever….a guard. Forgive me for not bowing to the horse face

    —————————————————————

    Randy Moss? Fred Taylor? Pretty sure Algae Crumpler spent some time on the Pats as well. I’m sure there are more.

    Having disproved that statement, I do admit, as a Colts fan, that Manning does have more first round talent than Brady. However, as we should know by now first round talent isn’t always good talent. Just ask the Chargers in 1998.

    Also, I really don’t like Brady or the Patriots. That being said it’s virtually impossible to not respect them. I have also said, on various occasions, that in the regular season I would take Manning any day, but come the playoffs I may be more inclined to take Brady (so long as Caldwell isn’t the coach for either of them).

    I don’t think anyone can pick which is better, because there is no criteria. MVPs? Not really, because an MVP hasn’t won the Super Bowl since Kurt Warner in 1999 since it is only based on regular season success. Super Bowl rings? I don’t think so. For this point I must reference the joke known as the NBA. Would anyone argue that Michael Jordan is the greatest of all time? Not really. However, Robert Horry has more rings, so is he better? Of course not.

    There is no criteria for judging the “best” players, plain and simple.

  66. NFLJunkie says: Jun 28, 2011 2:10 PM

    It’s not Brady’s fault that unlike the Colts, who are consciously and deliberately built around a Manning-centric offense (even the defense is built to protect a lead instead of shutting teams down), the Pats have not gone that far in always putting all their eggs into one basket. When Brady went down, they adapted because they could. They had more flexibility.

    There is no doubt that Manning is near or at the top of anyone’s list of best players. He has to be. But I do kind of question whether in the end, making it so the team is so dependent on him, and so invested financially on that side of the ball, that it has made it harder for them to really be a “dynasty”.

  67. ac0117 says: Jun 28, 2011 2:12 PM

    So what about his boy Flacco aka MJ

  68. jenga1115 says: Jun 28, 2011 2:14 PM

    Pats fans are so blinded its ridiculous. Here are some of the arguments on why they say Brady is better.

    1. Brady has more super bowls, which means Trent Dilfer is a better QB than Dan Marino.

    2. Manning has all those Pro Bowl Wide Recievers. Those guys are pro bowlers because Manning is throwing thm the ball, not the other way around.

    3. they will argue about winning percentage in the playoffs, but in the next article about bill belichek that will state that he is the greatest coach of all time. Well then who is it the coach or the Qb?

    4. Peyton chokes in the playoffs. yes he has bad losses, but if Nick Harper’s wife doesnt stab him in the knee hours before the AFC championship, then roethlisberger doesnt hand tackle the knee and he goes for a pick six and the colts win the super bowl.

    Meanwhile Brady hasnt won a playoff game in 3 years.

    My argument isnt whether Brady is great, he is one of the greatest, just that Manning is better. Peyton Manning is the ultimate student of the game, he is literally both the coach and the qb. Brady is just a QB who listens to his coach.

    I am neither a Pats or Colts fan.

  69. sj39 says: Jun 28, 2011 2:14 PM

    Brady is overrated. BB is the reason the Pats win so much.

  70. golonger says: Jun 28, 2011 2:16 PM

    Davoider……..good point…….

    It couldn’t possibly Manning since once again he couldn’t carry his team past the Jets……

  71. scytherius says: Jun 28, 2011 2:21 PM

    Well, when you reach the top 10 of pretty much anything, it is SO subjective. While he isn’t my choice for #1, can’t really argue that he is “a” choice.

  72. golonger says: Jun 28, 2011 2:22 PM

    jenga – sorry, you are totally wrong…. wrong……….yes manning is a coach on the field…….doesnt make him the greatest player.

    Brady has a FAR superior playoff record, more championships, runs a more complicated offense, has had less to work with (most of his career anyway), is more accurate….sorry….

    I wont even go to the fact that Brady has to play in far more challenginjg weather conditions……he doesnt get the luxury of playing 90% of his games either in a dome or warm weather……Manning cannot even win in adverse weather conditions

    ..you are just like Colts fans………so mannings regular season wins are the result of HIM……his more often than not post-season losses are NOT???

    Get a grip…………

  73. golonger says: Jun 28, 2011 2:24 PM

    coltsfan187 – the fact that you used Fred Taylor to try and prove your arguement shows you are clueless!!!!!!!!!

  74. sportsstar4u says: Jun 28, 2011 2:25 PM

    I understand this is a “debate” and a healthy one since they are both great quarterbacks. We should really just enjoy watching both of them play…and know that we’re watching 2 of the best QB’s of all time. I hate saying that because I’m a huge Manning fan.

    Oh…and it’s just as much fun as a Colts fan to watch Brady lose as it is to watch Manning win. I’m sure it’s quite the same feeling for Pats fans. I was a bigger NYG fan that year than most Giants fans. I’m sure the Pats fans were huge Bears fans in ’06.

    Bottom line, they are 1-2 or 2-1.

  75. golonger says: Jun 28, 2011 2:28 PM

    The old Trent Dilfer arguement…..ridiculous…..the number of rings and how you got there is the ultimate benchmarks……not the ONLY benchmark but………bringing up some loser who happens to have 5 rings doesnt change the relevance………there are great players that never got close to rings….they are still great…….depending on their impact……

  76. newguy925 says: Jun 28, 2011 2:32 PM

    Pats fans are funny. Peyton can make throws Brady can’t. Peyton has better feet in the pocket (Bernard Pollard had 2 shots at him with the Texans last year, Peyton’s ACLs are still intact). Decision making for both is borderline flawless. Both make their rbs and wrs far better. Both have won championships only when their respective D played above average in the playoffs. I get it, 2 more titles. Peyton never had the D Brady had for those early Superbowls. In a vacuum I’ll take Manning.

  77. ricardorobertasq says: Jun 28, 2011 2:33 PM

    Separate Brady from Belicheck and give Manning to Belicheck and tell me how great he would be and how relevant Brady would be. Manning is one of the smartest players in the game-heck, you don’t need an offensive coordinator to call plays when he’s on your team.

  78. golonger says: Jun 28, 2011 2:34 PM

    killxswitch – no moron…it is based on what is common knowledge throughout the league…..Colts have great talent…..despite what the Manning apologist want everyone to believe!

  79. newguy925 says: Jun 28, 2011 2:34 PM

    Not to mention coaching advantage for Brady, the Colts have a staff of homeless guys. NE puts out head coach after head coach, name one guy besides Dungy who is famous for anything besides embarrassing himself. (Playoffs?!?!?!)

  80. CKL says: Jun 28, 2011 2:36 PM

    jenga1115 says:
    Jun 28, 2011 2:14 PM
    Pats fans are so blinded its ridiculous. Here are some of the arguments on why they say Brady is better.

    1. Brady has more super bowls, which means Trent Dilfer is a better QB than Dan Marino.
    _______________________________
    For me it isn’t the quantity of rings a guy has because that by itself is a stupid and spurious argument. It’s about how much the player helps or hurts his team’s chances of getting rings. Dilfer wasn’t a big part of getting their ring as Brad Johnson with TB was. And BJ was a better player IMO. The SB run the Colts had where they got their rings featured average to below average QBing by PM for what he’s supposed to be capable of. Their D and run game (and Vinatieri who some Colts fans love to point out as the sole reason the Pats have rings) were far more responsible for that SB. I mean 3 tds and 7 ints from PM in that playoff run…come on.

    Brady has flat out played poorly in his last two playoff games and he has a nice share of blame in their playoff fails in 09 & 10. But Pats fans can admit that while it’s tougher for Colts fans I have seen around to do that for PM.

    And to this assertion of yours:
    4. Peyton chokes in the playoffs. yes he has bad losses, but if Nick Harper’s wife doesnt stab him in the knee hours before the AFC championship, then roethlisberger doesnt hand tackle the knee and he goes for a pick six and the colts win the super bowl.
    _______________________________
    WAIT WHAT???? I know this, you ain’t a Steelers fan or even slightly objective on this one because if you were either one you would mention the fact that the refs STOLE a LEGITIMATE INT of Peyton by Polamalu that would have put the dagger in before that. IIRC the Colts went on to score on that drive too. And, this was the infamous “I’M TRYING TO BE A GOOD TEAMMATE HERE BUT WE WERE HAVING PROBLEMS IN PRTECTION” postgame whining from PM too.

  81. txhc says: Jun 28, 2011 2:36 PM

    Kinda hard to disagree with the man on this one.

  82. golonger says: Jun 28, 2011 2:42 PM

    ..yeah…and Jeff Saturday is also average..which is why he made the top 60 NFL players of 2010…….but best to ignore that for your arguement……LOL

  83. ravensfan4life52 says: Jun 28, 2011 2:48 PM

    pssh doesn’t matter. we got the MJ of QBs baby. lol we goin all the way this year!

  84. j3ts83 says: Jun 28, 2011 2:52 PM

    Why don’t we take a look at Tom Brady’s playoff stats after he got caught for cheating??? exactly…

  85. hedden93 says: Jun 28, 2011 2:53 PM

    lol @ at all the Peyton love. How many playoff and big games has he choked in? Brady is clutch. I’m not a fan of either team btw.

  86. golonger says: Jun 28, 2011 2:55 PM

    newguy925 = dellusional football fan….

  87. chipwade says: Jun 28, 2011 2:56 PM

    Peyton Manning is the offensive coordinator as well. He had a “consultant” on the sidelines. I have heard that NO ONE prepares as much as Peyton. Wish the Seahawks had him. We have the complete opposite in Whitehurst :(

  88. brintfatre says: Jun 28, 2011 2:59 PM

    He plays the Texans, Titans, and the Jaguars each twice a year… that’s how he’s padded his stats and made the playoffs every year. It’s also why he seems to “choke” in big games…

  89. heisthejuan says: Jun 28, 2011 3:02 PM

    Besides last season (when Peyton threw a boatload of INTs) Peyton has had first rounders and All Pros at the skill positions. Any pro QB can excel in that situation.

  90. heisthejuan says: Jun 28, 2011 3:04 PM

    newguy925 says: Jun 28, 2011 2:32 PM

    Pats fans are funny. Peyton can make throws Brady can’t.
    ==================

    Especially to the other team. Peyton is great at those throws.

  91. homelanddefense says: Jun 28, 2011 3:08 PM

    I love the Matt Cassell proves Brady is overrated comments. Look at Cassells numbers that year with the same exact team Brady had. Brady shattered NFL records and went 16-0. Cassell managed the team to 11-5 and his numbers were ok, compared to Brady’s they sucked.

    Brady went 16-0. Cassell took the same team to a 11-5 finish….5 games worse.

    If the Colts were 5 games worse next season they would be 5-11.

  92. Soulman45 says: Jun 28, 2011 3:10 PM

    He is in the top 5 but where how can anyone know?

  93. mikejd12 says: Jun 28, 2011 3:13 PM

    @ckl……Im not a colts fan, but i can agree hes the best player in the league. You mention the the colts defense was very responsible for the wins in the playoffs and so on. But werent the pats superbowls also won by defense or am i going crazy here. There defense carried them to at least 2 of those supper bowls! And last time i checked since your boy belicheat got caught video taping and trying to run up the score on every team with no class there 0-3 with no playoff wins. Tough to win in the playoffs when you can get those signals huh! Im so glad the eagles set the blue print on them that year on how to beat them when they tried to go undeafeated. Im not saying brady isnt a amazing qb, but he is no peyton manning. He is a system QB. A guy who executes his system to perfection. I will say one thing brady had a awsome season last year. But the jets smacked him in the mouth.

  94. heisthejuan says: Jun 28, 2011 3:24 PM

    Let’s also not forget that Matt Cassell went to the Pro Bowl this year. Just because Pete Carroll couldn’t judge talent, doesn’t mean the guy doesn’t have it.

  95. schmitty2 says: Jun 28, 2011 3:29 PM

    jaggedmark says:
    Jun 28, 2011 1:17 PM
    Nice interception Manning threw on the game tying drive in the Super Bowl against New Orleans.

    Tracy Porter doesn’t think Peyton Manning is the best.

    Just like the 2007 Giants defense doesn’t think Brady and the undefeated Pats were the best

  96. boisestatewhodat says: Jun 28, 2011 3:41 PM

    Derrick Mason: Peyton Manning is the NFL’s best player, hands down

    –Except when he plays the Saints, then Tracy Porter and Drew Brees are the best players in the NFL…LMAO!

  97. ryanmallettsbluntwrap says: Jun 28, 2011 3:43 PM

    The main difference is Tom Brady is clutch , Forehead isn’t . Manning is overrated , answer me this , what happens if Peyton is not on the Colts in the past 10 + years ? Maybe they don’t win a Super Bowl , but for all this talk about Manning all he ever did was get one ring , and let his team down and single handedly choke the next chance he had at a ring away . His one ring his defense won , he wasn’t that great in the super bowl , Bradys defense one him one ring and they both put work in on the next couple , if it was all Bradys D then why could Drew Bledsoe not get it done before Brady . Simple , don’t get mad , except the fact Brady is much better ( CLUTCH)

  98. all4patriots says: Jun 28, 2011 3:46 PM

    those stat earlier were amazing:

    Brady has a better indoor QB rating: 103.1 vs. 99.5

    Brady has a better outdoor QB rating: 93.4 vs. 90.7

    playoff record: 14-4 vs. 9-9.

    Bottom line: both are better indoors, Manning plays indoors all of the time, so their stats being equal is incedibly misleading.

    Brady on the Colts playing indoors would be amazing still, but Peyton playing outdoors without pro bowl receivers would be just another guy.

    Peyton Dilfer.

  99. golonger says: Jun 28, 2011 3:49 PM

    yes, Peyton would make a great Arena League QB………actually, I take that back…..his quackers wouldn’t make it!

  100. ryanmallettsbluntwrap says: Jun 28, 2011 3:49 PM

    2011 Stats :

    Player A – 33TD 17 INT
    Player B – 36TD 4 INT

    Manning has had better seasons then Brady no doubt , but as for RIGHT NOW , It is not hard to realize which player had the better season .

  101. golonger says: Jun 28, 2011 3:51 PM

    mikejd12 – no, wrong.

    Brady CARRIED his team numerous times…and in the Super Bowl…….especially the first one.

    Sorry……….

  102. wferg1121 says: Jun 28, 2011 3:51 PM

    cakemixa says:
    “You put Manning on your team and you get a below .500 playoff record. 11 playoff appearances and 1 SB win”

    To be fair he was playing the New England Patriots when they had the “recording procedure”.

    Not a Colts fan, but I agree with Mason. If Manning was injured last year, the Colts are probably a 4 and 12 team..

  103. eaglesman15 says: Jun 28, 2011 3:55 PM

    well iagree with mason on this one manning is the best he contributes the most and if it wasnt for him ths colts would stink but ihave one problem with all these comments everybody keeps posting and saying oh but he threw a pick in his second suprbowl and chocked and all that see manning wanted to win his team the game and he wanted to take his team all the way and he wasnt scared of tht presure he had on him brady did every single time brady won a superbowl he didnt win it for his team his kicker adam venitiri won it id like too see brady do them three superbowls over and 1.win it with out having yape on a team and 2.without adam … as a matter of fact we did and thts why they lost to the new york gaints! see as the play maker and leader of your team you should want to be in that situation and want to try and win it for your team o the biggest stage not make it rely on your kickers leg hands down no doubt about it manning is the best in the league !

  104. wferg1121 says: Jun 28, 2011 3:57 PM

    golonger says:Jun 28, 2011 3:51 PM

    mikejd12 – no, wrong.

    “Brady CARRIED his team numerous times…and in the Super Bowl…….especially the first one.”

    No your wrong, the cameraman carried the Patriots numerous times and in the Superbowl…

    Sorry

  105. coltsfan187 says: Jun 28, 2011 4:01 PM

    golonger – Using Fred Taylor was simply answering to what you said about Brady only playing with one first round player. While Taylor was a great player in his career he was basically worthless, from what I have seen of him with the Pats. I didn’t argue your point that Manning has better and more first round talent around him. Simply that Brady has played with more than one first round pick. Keep in mind Manning has played with first round picks who were sub par as well, Tony Mandarich anyone?

  106. NFLJunkie says: Jun 28, 2011 4:11 PM

    Jun 28, 2011 2:08 PM
    redrew says: Jun 28, 2011 1:31 PM

    Manning is surrounded by 1st round WRs and RBs. Brady has played with one 1st round offensive player….ever….a guard. Forgive me for not bowing to the horse face

    —————————————————————

    Randy Moss? Fred Taylor? Pretty sure Algae Crumpler spent some time on the Pats as well. I’m sure there are more.

    Having disproved that statement….
    ============================

    You’re actually comparing the Colts investing ~75% of their first round picks on offense from 1999-2011 (including trade-up for Ugoh) when they’d also used 4 of their last 5 first-round picks on offense (including Manning) leading up to that, with the Pats bringing in vets like Taylor and Crumpler, who were in the tail end of their careers, to fill holes? You consider that a comparable investment in building the offense around the QB?

    It’s clear where the focus was for the Colts in the Manning years. To their credit, aside from Ugoh and maybe Donald Brown, their offensive picks have usually panned out.

  107. svn2011 says: Jun 28, 2011 4:14 PM

    i would like to see wayne get traded before opening day and manning play with jabbar gaffeny and reche caldwell for the rest of the season as his go to guys and see what he does. Last season he lost his playmakers due to injuries so many were ready to make excuses when he threw bunch of interceptions. Brady barring 2007 has played with avg receivers forever including last season when he lost moss.
    The matt cassel season is a so misleading. The pats played the AFC WEST and NFC WEST , two of the worst divisions so the schedule was very favorable to them.

  108. golonger says: Jun 28, 2011 4:25 PM

    coltsfan187 – or should i say dumba$$

    When one is talking about playing with first rounders…..one means playing with them at some points during roughly the peak of their career………NOT…playing with a player who happens to play on the team 8 years after their prime.

    Prime example….Mandarich…….when he played with the Colts he was about 8 years removed from being a first round pick and WAYYY past even his pathetic prime. Doesn’t mean Manning played with a first round pick in the true sense. Also Mandarich only played one season with Manning so even if he WAS first round caliber at that point, wouldn’t matter!

    ..why do you even bother??

  109. thephantomstranger says: Jun 28, 2011 4:29 PM

    The best player in the NFL is Christian Ponder.

    Oh, you mean right now? I thought it was 2014.

  110. supashug says: Jun 28, 2011 4:31 PM

    remember Brady getting rolled at home by the Ravens a few years ago in the playoffs. That would NEVER happen to Manning. Where there are similarities in the 2 QBs there is one major difference. Manning has the balls to keep trying and Brady will just ask Bill to take him out of the game.

    thats it, and I HATE the Colts, but Manning is a better gamer

  111. wferg1121 says: Jun 28, 2011 4:36 PM

    Tom Brady is a good quarterback, but Patriots cannot hide the fact that the Patriots cheated… You can argue talent all you want, but if your offensive cordinator knows the defense is called that is a huge advantage for QB, and WR. All of Tom’s numbers before 2007 is questionable. Just like all of Peyton’s losses to the Patriots prior to 2007 is questionable.

  112. renaissanceman87 says: Jun 28, 2011 4:36 PM

    That’s like saying “Roger Federer is the best tennis player, hands down”. If you tried making that case back in 2006 or 2007, you’d have a point. But not anymore. Same goes for Manning. Brady is better, and in a few years, Aaron Rodgers will be the NFL’s #1 QB.

  113. heisthejuan says: Jun 28, 2011 4:48 PM

    supashug says: Jun 28, 2011 4:31 PM

    remember Brady getting rolled at home by the Ravens a few years ago in the playoffs. That would NEVER happen to Manning. Where there are similarities in the 2 QBs there is one major difference. Manning has the balls to keep trying and Brady will just ask Bill to take him out of the game.

    thats it, and I HATE the Colts, but Manning is a better gamer.
    ====================

    And then after the game Brady will admit he played like ass while Peyton will throw his whole team under the bus.

  114. redrew says: Jun 28, 2011 4:51 PM

    Coltsfan….one of the weakest arguements ever made….Crumpler, Taylor?????
    Just because you live in Indy doesn’t mean your an automatic idiot….except in your case. Your boy horseface gets all premium team assets on his side of the ball….too bad he’d rather toss a team mate under the bus than be clutch during crunch time.

  115. golonger says: Jun 28, 2011 5:11 PM

    redrew……..you have to realize, Colts fans in general are pretty dumb…….what else do you expect from Indianoplace!

  116. mikemyditka says: Jun 28, 2011 5:13 PM

    I think the same can be said of Polamalu- the steelers went into the tank without him.

  117. golonger says: Jun 28, 2011 5:14 PM

    supashug, where do you come up with this ridiculous garbage…..

  118. sterilizecromartie says: Jun 28, 2011 5:28 PM

    You just have to look at it this way: If you had to start a team from scratch and build a roster for one single year (not an entire decade, just one year), who would you pick first?

    Anyone who says any name but Peyton Manning is either an idiot or a liar. He instantly puts any team in contention to win it all.

  119. lgbarn says: Jun 28, 2011 5:40 PM

    I’ll never forget that one Monday Night Football Colts/Bucs back in 2003 where he scored 21 points in the final three minutes of the game against a seriously dangerous Bucs defense. I think it goes without question that Peyton is the heart and soul of the Colts offense, and if he were to miss a game it’d be a catastrophe for Indy.

    ————————————————————————————-

    I know what you are trying to say but there was a bad call on the offsides kick and the starting corner got hurt so his backup got torched. Kudos to Manning for recognizing the burn toast on the field but that wouldn’t be the case for him being number one in the league.

    That being said, I think he is the best player in the leauge. If he had half the team that Brady has, he would have the rings that brady has.

  120. all4patriots says: Jun 28, 2011 5:52 PM

    Last I looked it up Peyton has had offensive teammates with 19 combined pro bowl appearances while a Colt whereas Brady’s teammates have had 5 while a Patriot. That might be a year old, but the difference is still telling.

  121. piratefreedom says: Jun 28, 2011 6:10 PM

    I’m glad the Pats have Brady but if they couldn’t have Brady I would be thrilled to have Manning.

    arguments of the type:
    Brady Sucks!
    No! Peyton Sucks!
    No! Brady Sucks!
    No! Peyton Sucks!

    genuinely perplex me

  122. plifer says: Jun 28, 2011 6:22 PM

    Since they did not post my comment the first time, I’ll try to be a bit more positive…

    There is no way to argue or make a case for who is the NFL’s best player. There is no stat or set of stats to consider that equalizes contributions of offensive, defensive and ST’s players, wherein you could compare say an OLB to a QB using a rationalized rating scale. Therefore, this discussion is pointless and useless. Manning vs. Brady? ..what about the other 15 positions on the field? How do you compare Manning to Revis, or Brady to Ray Lewis?…you can’t…

  123. richm2256 says: Jun 28, 2011 6:37 PM

    wferg1121 says:
    No your wrong, the cameraman carried the Patriots numerous times and in the Superbowl…

    ————————————————-

    Please, PLEASE, tell all of us here in PFT land what you are basing this on?

    Where is the proof that they were cheating on that day, in that game?

    Tell us, PLEASE. Seriously.

    Back up your statement.

  124. richm2256 says: Jun 28, 2011 6:40 PM

    sterilizecromartie says:
    You just have to look at it this way: If you had to start a team from scratch and build a roster for one single year (not an entire decade, just one year), who would you pick first?

    Anyone who says any name but Peyton Manning is either an idiot or a liar. He instantly puts any team in contention to win it all.

    ————————————————–
    And Tom Brady DOESN’T ?????

  125. ericmoss37 says: Jun 28, 2011 7:29 PM

    Well maybe they are really bad because Bill Polian does not bother signing a decent back up. Curtis Painter and Jim Sorgi were not NFL level QB’s. While Matt Cassel is not a elite NFL QB either was Frank Reich and he had the best come back playoff win in Bills history. They were decent enough to win. Curtis Painter is a joke.

  126. nnagi says: Jun 28, 2011 7:32 PM

    peyton manning is the most overrated, selfish and greedy player in the league…the guy is always me-first and never hesitates to throw his team under the bus for their failures while propping himself up when they win…everyone thinks he’s so smart because of all the theatrics he employs at the line of scrimmage, but i would love to hear the candid opinions of his offensive lineman, whom he mercilessly keeps in their stances while he goes through his shakespearian progression of audibles and barks…i’d take brady ANY day!!!

  127. edgerinn says: Jun 28, 2011 8:34 PM

    “Manning is surrounded by 1st round WRs and RBs. Brady has played with one 1st round offensive player….ever….a guard. Forgive me for not bowing to the horse face”

    First of all if we’re assuming that being drafted in the first round makes you a better player, then Manning must be better.

    Secondly, the whole statement is just wrong. Terry Glenn was a first rounder. Randy Moss was a first rounder. Laurence Maroney was a first rounder. Thats just RB’s and WR’s off the top of my head. There’s also multiple first round tight ends who have been on the Patriots during Brady’s time.

    Every team has first round draft picks, the Colts don’t have more.

  128. wferg1121 says: Jun 28, 2011 8:37 PM

    richm2256 says:
    Jun 28, 2011 6:40 PM
    sterilizecromartie says:
    You just have to look at it this way: If you had to start a team from scratch and build a roster for one single year (not an entire decade, just one year), who would you pick first?

    Anyone who says any name but Peyton Manning is either an idiot or a liar. He instantly puts any team in contention to win it all.

    ————————————————–
    “And Tom Brady DOESN’T”

    Yes, if he comes with a camera man :)

  129. wferg1121 says: Jun 28, 2011 8:47 PM

    “Please, PLEASE, tell all of us here in PFT land what you are basing this on?

    Where is the proof that they were cheating on that day, in that game?

    Tell us, PLEASE. Seriously.

    Back up your statement”

    Belichick fined 250k Kraft 500K and 2008 1st round draft pick for spying on the Jets. After the NFL quickly destroyed the tapes, Greg Aiello would not confirm or deny if they had Superbowl footage… I had a ver good link to the story but it was removed from PFT :( (They must be Patriot fans.)

  130. 808raiderinparadise says: Jun 28, 2011 8:50 PM

    All these arguments against Manning’s playoffs record and lack of titles actually warant him the best player title. He consistently takes that team as deep as he can with mediocre at best defenses, call his whole offensive gameplan, can’t run the ball since the EDGE lost it and left, and teams knowing that he will pass every down and have no plan to stop it. He is the best and any player labeled great around him, Manning deserves the credit because he molds those guys to make plays.

  131. 808raiderinparadise says: Jun 28, 2011 8:51 PM

    may I also add, he has never missed a game. Tom can’t say that.

  132. supashug says: Jun 28, 2011 9:10 PM

    And then after the game Brady will admit he played like ass while Peyton will throw his whole team under the bus.

    ____

    true statement, but as far as the game I think the main difference is Peyton is more competitive

  133. str8up12 says: Jun 28, 2011 10:54 PM

    @supashug…… were you not alive in 2003. Manning had 4 ints and 3 points. seems like a similar rolling.
    Here are facts, feel free to dispute them and make yourself look foolish.
    Peyton has played his entire career under the same offensive system.
    Peyton has played a minimum of 9 games a year in a dome.
    Peyton has played his entire career with a first round- potential HOF wideout.
    Peyton has played virtually his entire career in a hurry-up offense or K-gun, for those old enough to remember.
    Peyton has played in a division with two expansion teams since 2002.
    Austin Collie was the all time reception leader in NCAA history.
    Peyton Manning mismanaged the clock against the Jets not Caldwell. The first play after the two minute warning has to be a run. You must get the clock moving there. Do this and the Jets have no time to score. I said it as it was happening and everyone in the room said ” It’s the Sanchize, they aren’t gonna score anyway”. Anyone wanna guess where I learned that?
    All that being said. Peyton is still a terrific QB but more of a Favre than a Montana.
    I’m picking my guy but I’m biased.
    Oh yeah, I know it felt to all you chumps who got run over in 2007 that the playoffs were canceled and we went straight to the Super bowl. However, Brady did win two playoff games that year.

  134. lennydpocketqb says: Jun 28, 2011 11:11 PM

    Peyton is the best player during the season.
    Tom is the best player during the playoffs.
    Eli is the Manning who in the playoffs delivers under pressure.
    Jeff George still believes he can play at a high level in the NFL.
    Aaron Rodgers is better than all 4.

  135. golonger says: Jun 28, 2011 11:31 PM

    If you think manning is more competitive……..you are an idiot!

  136. golonger says: Jun 28, 2011 11:33 PM

    edgerinn – sorry you are totally wrong AND you miss the point

  137. golonger says: Jun 28, 2011 11:36 PM

    lgbarn – sorry…..if Brady (and other QBS) had the offensive talent Manning has had for a decade……they would have won more than ONE friggin SB….give me a break………

  138. edgerinn says: Jun 28, 2011 11:38 PM

    A list of first rounders who have played with Tom Brady:

    Terry Glenn

    Damien Woody

    Antowain Smith

    Mike Compton

    Charles Johnson

    Daniel Graham

    Kenyatta Jones

    JJ Stokes

    Ben Watson

    Logan Mankins

    Laurence Maroney

    Randy Moss

    Donte Stallworth

    Kyle Brady

    Joey Galloway

    Fred Taylor

    Kendall Simmons

    Also, saw Alge Crumpler being talked about, he wasn’t first rounder.

    It is flat out wrong no matter how you cut it to say Brady hasn’t played with first round players on offense. There are multiples of every offensive position on that list except QB, and I left out he played with Drew Bledsoe.

  139. mataug says: Jun 29, 2011 12:01 AM

    “Now you take Peyton Manning off the Colts I don’t know where that teams goes offensively.”
    Clearly Mason hasn’t seen Painter play against the Jets last season.

  140. goawayeverybody says: Jun 29, 2011 2:41 AM

    Peyton Manning is the most overrated player in NFL history. Never has so much been made of a player who has only one one Super Bowl ring and choked all the other times.

    And it’s absurd to say that the Colts would “fall apart” without Manning. Freeney and Mathis are absolutely top-flight. So is Reggie Wayne. Joseph Addai used to be great, but yeah he’s probably past his prime.

    Don’t get me wrong, Peyton Manning is very good, he’s just very overrated.

  141. phillyfinsfan says: Jun 29, 2011 4:53 AM

    The Patriots haven’t won a SB since their camera operation was shut down. Hmmmmmm

  142. gimmeabruschi says: Jun 29, 2011 6:34 AM

    Mason isn’t all that bright. If he was he would know that Pats team that went 11-5 had one of the easiest schedules in memory. Look it up. Only a very few of their wins were against teams with a winning record.

    Brady is the best.

  143. Andrew Hughes says: Jun 29, 2011 10:05 AM

    This Top 100 is for the 2010-2011 Season right? In that case Brady was the better player (and that still depends on what stats we find most important, but he did win NFL MVP). We aren’t arguing entire career. They both are two of the top qbs to ever play the game and there are way too many arguments to be made for both being better.

  144. supashug says: Jun 29, 2011 10:27 AM

    Manning is more competitive
    and doesn’t cry like a girl when he gets hit.

    and if you think I look foolish, did you see your last post. I hope you understand no one will read all that dribble.

    @supashug…… were you not alive in 2003. Manning had 4 ints and 3 points. seems like a similar rolling.
    Here are facts, feel free to dispute them and make yourself look foolish.
    Peyton has played his entire career under the same offensive system.
    Peyton has played a minimum of 9 games a year in a dome.
    Peyton has played his entire career with a first round- potential HOF wideout.
    Peyton has played virtually his entire career in a hurry-up offense or K-gun, for those old enough to remember.
    Peyton has played in a division with two expansion teams since 2002.
    Austin Collie was the all time reception leader in NCAA history.
    Peyton Manning mismanaged the clock against the Jets not Caldwell. The first play after the two minute warning has to be a run. You must get the clock moving there. Do this and the Jets have no time to score. I said it as it was happening and everyone in the room said ” It’s the Sanchize, they aren’t gonna score anyway”. Anyone wanna guess where I learned that?
    All that being said. Peyton is still a terrific QB but more of a Favre than a Montana.
    I’m picking my guy but I’m biased.
    Oh yeah, I know it felt to all you chumps who got run over in 2007 that the playoffs were canceled and we went straight to the Super bowl. However, Brady did win two playoff games that year.

  145. gregjennings85 says: Jun 29, 2011 11:39 AM

    The list I posted had Manning at #1, and I received many a thumbs down.

    Let’s see some more thumbs down, fellas.

  146. goawayeverybody says: Jun 29, 2011 12:54 PM

    supashug has the facts. I like people with facts.

  147. golonger says: Jun 29, 2011 12:56 PM

    mataug – taking out Manning and inserting a scrub QB isn’t a true judgement of Manning’s impact. If they had a decent 2nd string (which they dont), a truer case would be made.

    We shall see….when Manning retires and the Colts still do well…..we shall see who’s laughing then!

  148. CKL says: Jun 29, 2011 1:37 PM

    mikejd12 says:
    Jun 28, 2011 3:13 PM
    @ckl……Im not a colts fan, but i can agree hes the best player in the league. You mention the the colts defense was very responsible for the wins in the playoffs and so on. But werent the pats superbowls also won by defense or am i going crazy here. There defense carried them to at least 2 of those supper bowls! And last time i checked since your boy belicheat got caught video taping and trying to run up the score on every team with no class there 0-3 with no playoff wins. Tough to win in the playoffs when you can get those signals huh! Im so glad the eagles set the blue print on them that year on how to beat them when they tried to go undeafeated. Im not saying brady isnt a amazing qb, but he is no peyton manning. He is a system QB. A guy who executes his system to perfection. I will say one thing brady had a awsome season last year. But the jets smacked him in the mouth.
    _________________________________
    I have never nor will ever deny that when the Pats were winning SBs they had excellent defensive squads. I said in another post on here that I’d rather have a good, smart, efficient Qb who’s clutch (which kind of describes Brady in his first year as the starter actually) and great D than an elite QB (stats galore guy I mean) and an average D. Believe me, I know that D wins Cs. To me Brady’s two best years were 05-06 when he was one of the few reasons they even made the playoffs. neither one of those years were his stats all world. It was the way he played, the way he kept them in games with a bad D or horrible Wrs.

    That said, great QBs don’t waste a great defense by gagging up hairballs. Manning wasted his in 0. #2 in the NFL in PA and he gagged it vs Pitt. Brady never wasted a #1/#2 defense in PA by gagging up a playoff hairball. His hairballs were the past 2 years when his D was also hairballin’ it.
    Past years and arguments have led Pats fans to compile stats on which unit of each team has underachieved more in the playoffs based on their regular season performances and the Colts D usually performs BETTER in the playoffs PA wise and the Colts offense usually performs much MUCH worse points scored wise. In fact it’s why I as a Pats fan hated the 07 team and hate that type of offense. They were the 04 Colts. Their D played at “to be expected” levels and their O failure lost the SB.

    It may also interest you to know that the Colts with Manning have more one and done playoff appearances that the Pats with Brady. And since 2001, the Colts have had a better D in PA than the Pats have had 4 times. I’ll even be generous and take out one of those years since it was 08 when Brady didn’t play…so 3.

    As for their playoff record, I think someone already pointed out that the Pats have won 2 playoff games since the videotape violation was punished.

  149. CKL says: Jun 29, 2011 1:41 PM

    Forgot to add to your point on Brady=system & Manning=real OC.Manning has never had a different de facto OC EVER (Moore was still on the sides in 10). This year will be the first. Manning has had the EXACT same offense his whole NFL career too. Brady has had 4 OCs and has had less player continuity than Manning AND had to change to a more spread offense from a more ball control type. Brady>Manning there too.

  150. CKL says: Jun 29, 2011 2:05 PM

    Sorry, Brady has had 3 OCs. Oops. Still, point stands. Getting in synch with a new playcaller is a big deal IMO.

  151. golonger says: Jun 29, 2011 3:36 PM

    goawayeverybody – supashug’s innocuous facts do not prove anything…..the facts must make sense……his don’t…..sorry!

  152. golonger says: Jun 29, 2011 3:40 PM

    Manning is an over-rated choke artist…..end of arguement…..to argue this is both futile and ridiculous………the stats speak for themselves…..sorry Manning apologists…….i dont see anyone arguing that Montana was over-rated………proves the point entirely!

  153. golonger says: Jun 29, 2011 3:45 PM

    mikejd12 – i suggest you go check your facts….especially look at manning’s TD-INT ratio in the playoffs the year the Colts won (on the back of their defense)……that says it all……

  154. wferg1121 says: Jun 29, 2011 10:01 PM

    golonger says:Jun 29, 2011 3:45 PM

    “mikejd12 – i suggest you go check your facts….especially look at manning’s TD-INT ratio in the playoffs the year the Colts won (on the back of their defense)……that says it all……”

    In 2006? Do you have video tape on that? :)

  155. majmalphunktion says: Jun 29, 2011 10:08 PM

    Please Put Brady #2. I love it when he gets motivated.
    Since the show is best of 2011, really there is no doubt who the best QB was last year, and Manning was not even in the conversation.

  156. piemasteruk says: Jun 30, 2011 2:21 AM

    After reading all 200-odd comments in this thread, I have come to a conclusion.

    And the conclusion I have come to is that, in this information age, anyone can go onto the internet a pull of a bunch of statistics to ‘prove’ whichever side of an argument they want when they had already made up their mind long ago.

  157. hoopsdoc says: Jun 30, 2011 7:49 AM

    Not usually a fan of Derrick mason but he’s right this time.

    Manning was ranked number 1 in 2009 by a panel of experts assembled by Sports Illustrated that included 27 Hall Of Famers, past and present pro-bowlers, coaches and executives. Those are PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY PLAY AND COACH THE GAME who voted him number 1, so it really doesn’t matter what anyone here thinks.

    Now, I realize that was 2009, but since then Manning has won more games, playoff AND regular season, then Brady so I really don’t see why those rankings would change much.

  158. supashug says: Jun 30, 2011 11:20 AM

    those werent my facts people, I was posting them to show how stupid people can be. I didn’t even read them

  159. golonger says: Jun 30, 2011 11:29 AM

    ah hoopsdoc………Manning was also on the list of the top “over-rated” players….picked by the players themselves………….

  160. golonger says: Jun 30, 2011 11:31 AM

    wferg1121 – no, actually have digital recording on that……..but yes…..i do!

  161. luciano26 says: Jun 30, 2011 5:15 PM

    I’m a Steeler fan and I wholeheartedly agree with Mason.

    Manning is the best player in the NFL and has been for a long time. I also think he is the best QB ever, maybe the best player ever.

    I dont like him either

  162. suresk says: Jul 1, 2011 12:09 AM

    If the Colts lost Manning, would they be a horrible team? Almost certainly. But it isn’t because they are a bunch of mediocre players carried by Manning, it is because they are a team that is built around the QB and have breathtakingly bad QBs behind Manning.

    If Manning got hurt early in the season, one would assume the Colts could trade for or pick up a reasonably competent QB and be somewhat competitive.

    As for who the better QB is.. I’m a Patriots fan, but it is hard for me to say. Manning seems to have better mechanics, game management, and play-calling abilities – I think he’ll be an HoF-caliber coach someday if he wants to. Brady seems better under pressure and always seems to do more with less.

    Either way, it sure is a lot of fun watching both of them play.

  163. golonger says: Jul 1, 2011 1:55 AM

    luciano26 – given your comments, it isn’t surprising you are a moronic Steelers fan…..

  164. golonger says: Jul 1, 2011 1:57 AM

    as for suresk, you know NOTHING about the position. If you think Manning has better mechanics, you are seriously twisted (or blind)

  165. pigeonpea says: Jul 1, 2011 8:20 AM

    One of the most important factors that define a great QB over a very good one, is how well they are in the clutch. Unfortunately, Manning fails in that regard. If you don’t believe me, go ask Tracy Porter for a second opinion.

    cakemixa says:
    You put Manning on your team and you get a below .500 playoff record. 11 playoff appearances and 1 SB win!

    The exact same thing could be said about Brett Favre as well!

  166. golonger says: Jul 2, 2011 11:26 PM

    no pigeonpea…..one cannot say that about Favre, sorry…..if you took Manning and Favre out to a high school field with average high school receivers……….Favre would make Manning look like a putz

  167. hoopsdoc says: Jul 3, 2011 4:44 PM

    golonger-you got a link for that “players poll”? Cause I’ve never heard of it and, quite frankly, it sounds made up. I posted a link to my story(well, I did, but it was taken down, just google SI best players in the NFL poll), post a link to yours.

    Put up or shut up.

  168. zzzzzaaaa54 says: Jul 3, 2011 10:09 PM

    The lockout has been really sick to watch and worry over all this time. Very hard on us fans.
    Please click like on the this notice to the NFL owners and players of a world wide pledge that if a deal is not reached by July 15th everyone will boycott the first game played. No buying tickets, no merchandise, no viewing the games, bars do not show the games, basically a complete boycott for one week. If the preseason is skipped then we pass on buying any NFL swag this year. Let’s take back the game folks, Power to the People! They would never think of pulling this kind of s@$t again and cause the fans, who are really 100% responsible for them having $9B to fight over, have to deal with this stupidity. Who’s with me!
    PS – You can still got to the sportsbar, just as long as you are waching MLB or Hockey. What the hell you can watch soccer too.

  169. zzzzzaaaa54 says: Jul 3, 2011 10:16 PM

    It is time for the fans to rise up and force a deal.
    The lockout has been really sick to watch and worry over all this time. Very hard on us fans.
    Please click like on the this notice to the NFL owners and players of a world wide pledge that if a deal is not reached by July 15th everyone will boycott the first game played. No buying tickets, no merchandise, no viewing the games, bars do not show the games, basically a complete boycott for one week. If the preseason is skipped then we pass on buying any NFL swag this year. Let’s take back the game folks, Power to the People! They would never think of pulling this kind of s@$t again and cause the fans, who are really 100% responsible for them having $9B to fight over, have to deal with this stupidity. Who’s with me!
    PS – You can still got to the sportsbar, just as long as you are waching MLB or Hockey. What the hell you can watch soccer too.

  170. sirbenly says: Jul 3, 2011 11:49 PM

    Brady’s post-season QB rating: 85.7

    Manning’s post-season QB rating: 88.4

    Brady is the better post-season QB?

  171. golonger says: Jul 4, 2011 10:58 AM

    sirbenly – first of all, your stats are dead wrong….secondly, only a complete moron would post a QB rating and use that to compare QBs………have you seen the list of the top rated QBs in history????

  172. edgerinn says: Jul 4, 2011 3:42 PM

    Those stats are not wrong, those are their actual career postseason passer ratings.

  173. gimmeabruschi says: Jul 5, 2011 6:38 PM

    sirbenly says: Jul 3, 2011 11:49 PM

    Brady’s post-season QB rating: 85.7

    Manning’s post-season QB rating: 88.4

    Brady is the better post-season QB?

    _______________________________

    Brady is better.

    Super Bowl = Brady 94.5, Manning 85.4

    AFC Champ. – Brady 83.7, Manning 75.7

    Division – Manning 83.5, Brady 82.4

    Wildcard – Manning 102, Brady 84.1

    Manning has cleaned up against the “just glad to be here” teams in the wildcard round, while Brady shines against the best.

    Brady 14W – 5L, Manning 9W – 10L.

    It’s a no brainer that Brady is better in the playoffs.

  174. truthspitter says: Jul 16, 2011 2:45 PM

    What most don’t realize is that Manning actually has a better career post-season QB rating than Tom Brady does. Manning’s is 88.4, which is actually very good. Tom Brady’s is 85.7…also good. Keep in mind this is for 19 post season games each.

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