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Browns’ “worst moments” since ’87 include three years without the Browns

Wednesday’s special edition of PFT Live* focuses on the worst moments of the Cleveland Browns, and the team that used to be the Cleveland Browns.

For now, we’ll focus on the team that currently is the Browns.

And you can count on that three-year window without the Browns being mentioned.  Based on how they’ve played since that hiatus, an argument can be made that it wasn’t that bad of a moment, after all.

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39 Responses to “Browns’ “worst moments” since ’87 include three years without the Browns”
  1. joetoronto says: Jun 29, 2011 1:39 PM

    I still feel bad for the fans of Cleveland, leaving the town like that, like a thief in the night, that was brutal.

  2. chademer07 says: Jun 29, 2011 1:43 PM

    I was just gonna say, probably the best 3 years in franchise history

  3. Matt Revel says: Jun 29, 2011 1:55 PM

    “Based on how they’ve played since that hiatus, an argument can be made that it wasn’t that bad of a moment, after all.”

    I would rather watch crappy football than no football, but that’s just me.

    They’ll turn it around sooner rather than later considering they seem to have a young, solid core to build around. (McCoy, Hillis, Haden, Ward, Thomas, etc.)

  4. britishraven says: Jun 29, 2011 2:03 PM

    Honorable mentions:

    LeCharles Bentley – Did he even play a down for them in the end?

    Drafting Brady Quinn

    Sticking with Derek Anderson

  5. boothisman says: Jun 29, 2011 2:14 PM

    Why spend hour(s) talking about the worst Browns moment, when you can sum up their ‘best’ moments in about 45 seconds?

  6. therevdewitt says: Jun 29, 2011 2:21 PM

    chad – Way to display some true ignorance.

  7. therevdewitt says: Jun 29, 2011 2:28 PM

    boothisman – Another shining display of ridiculous ignorance. I’ll just assume these are going to keep on coming. 45 seconds to cover: 8 league championships, the 10 title appearances in 10 years, the undefeated season, Ottomatic, Lou Groza, Paul Brown’s impact on the game (facemask, using film, original WCO, classroom style coaching, the playboook, etc.) the Jim Brown years, Warfield, Leroy Kelly, the Kardiac Kids, Minnifield and Dixon. OK, sure. Keep it comin’ haters. You’re pathetic.

  8. gtisme says: Jun 29, 2011 2:34 PM

    JoeToronto – so I assume you feel bad for the Fans of the Baltimore Colts as well whose team LITERALLY left like a thief on a snowy night and then were without a team for not 3 but 13 years???!!! Or maybe St Louis Cardinals leaving for Arizona? Oilers to Tennessee? So sick of all the pity for the Browns, the team stunk when it left , because of it they got the new stadium the city had refused to pay for previously and kept the name, colors….everything…..BOO-Freaking -hooooo!

  9. pmars64 says: Jun 29, 2011 2:42 PM

    Cleveland losing the Browns in 95 is on par with Green Bay losing the Packers or Chicago losing the Bears or Pittsburgh losing the Steelers and teams of other hard-core fans. It was such an embarrassment to the league that they were forced to put a new team there. No team in the NFL had higher TV ratings in their own city than in Cleveland when the Browns moved in 95. Incredibly, there were more TVs tuned in in Cleveland, and for several weeks thereafter, for the Ravens first game than there were in Baltimore.

    Worse, the new Browns ownership was lead by the man who helped engineer the old Browns move to Baltimore. What a joke! And what a crappy franchise Browns fans got stuck with. They’ve had to watch Baltimore win a SB and be a perennial playoff contender with the same front office that was in place at the end of their Cleveland days.

    Maybe they finally have it right with Holmgren. Maybe Lerner didn’t throw his money away again. They finally have the look of a professionally managed and operated franchise. That alone will buy a couple more wins a year at least. But, geez, 7 (!!!) years of 10+ losses in the past 8 seasons!!!!

    The Butch Davis years are the highlight since their return?!?!?! Are you kidding me???? Steelers O-coordinator Arians still bristles at how Davis played it safe in the 2nd half of Browns playoff collapse against the Steelers in 2002 when he was on the Browns staff.

    The highlight of the last 12 years!

  10. maddog111 says: Jun 29, 2011 3:05 PM

    therevdewitt says:
    Jun 29, 2011 2:28 PM
    boothisman – Another shining display of ridiculous ignorance. I’ll just assume these are going to keep on coming. 45 seconds to cover: 8 league championships, the 10 title appearances in 10 years, the undefeated season, Ottomatic, Lou Groza, Paul Brown’s impact on the game (facemask, using film, original WCO, classroom style coaching, the playboook, etc.) the Jim Brown years, Warfield, Leroy Kelly, the Kardiac Kids, Minnifield and Dixon. OK, sure. Keep it comin’ haters. You’re pathetic.
    ——————————————–
    A little defensive there aren’t you? And you realize that this is supposed to relate to things that happen since the last strike, in 1987, right? Paul Brown’s adding the facemask to the helmet was at least a year or two before that.

  11. therevdewitt says: Jun 29, 2011 3:14 PM

    Hah. chad said “franchise history” boothisman didn’t qualify time range. A little defensive, hell yeah. I’m sick of people acting like just because the past decade has been bad that the team has always been bad. I’ll school on football history every chance I get.

  12. ArtModellsPimp says: Jun 29, 2011 3:16 PM

    Best. Worst. Who cares? I have loved the Cleveland Browns since 1958. Always will.

    And the Steelers and Ravens suck. Always will.

    The Bengals? Who cares?

    GO BROWNS!!!

  13. mistrezzrachael says: Jun 29, 2011 3:43 PM

    Browns, along with KC and GB…have the best fan base in NFL…so give em that….Sorry Pitts, Wash..and Giants, your fanbase doesn’t measure up.

    Easy on the Brownies, they & fans have been abused for years…and unlike the jets and their fans..who are equally inept…they handle it w/class.

  14. chademer07 says: Jun 29, 2011 3:54 PM

    Relax dude, take a joke. Have a sense of humor…..

  15. stairwayto7 says: Jun 29, 2011 4:21 PM

    With comments like Ravens and Steelers suck with Super Bowls and the Browns rule with losing a team and never sniffing a Super Bowl shows how ignorant Brow fan is!
    Browns leaving was the best moment.
    How about the Browns first game back vs the Steelers on Sunday night losing 43-0!!!
    Brown will NEVER be ANYTHING but the Steelers little red haired sibling!

  16. paulbrownsrevenge says: Jun 29, 2011 4:47 PM

    The Browns have a ton of tradition. Sure people crack jokes bout the team all the time. Yes the Steelers have a bunch of rings. I’m a diehard Browns fan, but i respect the way others have won. Anyone who knows Football knows Cleveland Browns fans are great. They’ve been a on the wrong side of BAD LUCK. “the drive”, “the fumble”, “Mangini”. If holmgren got it done in Green Bay, then Managed to get the Searats to a superbowl, I’m convinced he can and will make Cleveland a contender. I’m realistic, I’d be happy with playoff births. I’d rather not win a superbowl, than win 2 with a rapist for a quarterback, adds too much tarnish to the Lombardi Trophy.

  17. paulbrownsrevenge says: Jun 29, 2011 4:59 PM

    Remember when the browns got their team back in 99′, they had terrible leftover players. Because plain and simple, the owners didn’t want Cleveland to do what Carolina and Jacksonville did in their first seasons. We were happy to play the hand we were dealt. We can all share a few laughs when the tides change and the Browns, Lions, and Chiefs are winning superbowls in a few years or so. Steelers and Ravens are getting old.

    Off topic, Does anyone here wish the original teams remained the same. Houston Oilers, Baltimore Colts, Tennessee and Indy should have came up with their own names. I guess i’m a sucker for tradition.

  18. joeflaccosunibrow says: Jun 29, 2011 5:02 PM

    Had Cleveland NOT built the Indians stadium, Modell would have never left! He lost 81 rent checks a year with that new stadium. How can anyone with half a brain defend that?

    Our lottery money pays for the stadiums of the Ravens and Orioles. After we lost the the Colts to similar (but very different) circumcumstances, they made sure this would never happen again.

    After Cleveland lost the Browns, they took precautions as well.

  19. mistrezzrachael says: Jun 29, 2011 5:02 PM

    gtisme says:
    Jun 29, 2011 2:34 PM
    JoeToronto – so I assume you feel bad for the Fans of the Baltimore Colts as well whose team LITERALLY left like a thief on a snowy night and then were without a team for not 3 but 13 years???!!! Or maybe St Louis Cardinals leaving for Arizona? Oilers to Tennessee? So sick of all the pity for the Browns, the team stunk when it left , because of it they got the new stadium the city had refused to pay for previously and kept the name, colors….everything…..BOO-Freaking -hooooo!

    ????? You cannot compare fans from above teams to Browns, Chiefs, Packers ..hardcore fans…Colts, Oilers, Cardinals???…no comparison…not even remote, not even same league. Have been in every stadium, and while not Browns fan..there’s no mistake that they are hardcore NFL fans.

    Some towns, like Pittsburgh…waffle in wind, love Ben hate Ben, don’t want him, need him…not Browns fans.

  20. Steeler's Will says: Jun 29, 2011 5:06 PM

    therevdewitt says:
    Jun 29, 2011 3:14 PM

    “I’m sick of people acting like just because the past decade has been bad that the team has always been bad. ”

    ——————-
    This x 1000. The same way there are many posters who think the Patriots, Packers, Saints and Steelers have always been great. I’m obviously a little biased towards one of them but I’ve seen enough to know that every team (Dawg?) has it’s day.

  21. paulbrownsrevenge says: Jun 29, 2011 5:07 PM

    I’m just happy we are drafting well. When i heard we Drafted Gerard”big money” Warren, I’ll never forget choking on my chips and salsa, then wanting to cry but i hurt so bad inside my body refused to make tears. Oh yea, and we passed on Adrian Peterson because he broke his collarbone. Couch wasn’t a terrible pick, he had no line, I wanted Ricky Williams that year because Detmer could have handed him the ball and not have to carry a new franchise as a rookie.

  22. paulbrownsrevenge says: Jun 29, 2011 5:10 PM

    The Cleveland Browns are a part of an elite group of owners experiment. The plan: see how dedicated fans can be to a team that rarely wins. The Result: This would not work in any other City, but it seems to work here.

  23. therevdewitt says: Jun 29, 2011 5:21 PM

    “little read haired siblings” who handed them their greatest defeat in history 51-0 on Sept. 10, 1989; who kicked off the rivalry winning the first 8 games of the meetings and the first 16 of 18; it’s now 62-56 Steelers, the closest win-loss ratio of any major rivalry in professional football. It’s silly to think the pendulum of power doesn’t swing back and forth when it comes to Browns/Steelers. It’ll swing back. Just wait.

  24. Little Earthquake says: Jun 29, 2011 5:29 PM

    Might as well throw ‘The Decision’ in there….

  25. sirdude1733 says: Jun 29, 2011 5:32 PM

    I tend to remember the first series of the first game in the 07 season – against the Steelers of course…

    The Browns go 3 and out (lost 3 yards), Paul Ernster booms a 15 yard punt (from the Cleveland 17), and somehow the Browns manage to commit FOUR PENALTIES on a 15 yard punt.

    That said,

    Go Browns!

  26. kmart0319 says: Jun 29, 2011 5:58 PM

    gtisme – if you knew anything about you were talking about, maybe you would know that the city DID have it on the ballot to pay for a new stadium in November and it was approved AFTER Modell announced the move. Modell also said prior to the season that he would never move the team and lied. That is why he is the most hated man in Cleveland. He did it for a sweetheart deal and was such a pathetic businessman, ended up having to sell the team anyway (Probably partially due due his coke addict son David).

    Maybe you have the nads to tell which pathetic team team you bandwagon jump on?

  27. ravensfan4life52 says: Jun 29, 2011 6:02 PM

    Modell for HOF!

  28. ravensfan4life52 says: Jun 29, 2011 6:07 PM

    but honestly i like seeing the Browns starting to be relevant again and Cincy starting to suck again.

  29. 4512dawg4512 says: Jun 29, 2011 6:29 PM

    Tim F-ing Couch, and whoever the dumbass was responsible for drafting him

  30. trickbunny says: Jun 29, 2011 7:23 PM

    “stairwayto7″ still hasn’t changed his name? Bwaaa ha ha ha…

    Only a typically arrogant Steeler fan would name himself something like that before the Steelers ending up going out with a whimper. LOL.

    Dude sounds majorly bitter and unhappy in his posts. Or like he’s about 13 years old. I’m not sure which.

    “Brown will NEVER be ANYTHING but the Steelers little red haired sibling!” he snorts.

    Who is “Brown”? Poor stairwayto7-11… can’t even use a keyboard. I guess that’s a little better than when he referred to them as “Brow” earlier in his post. And I guess I don’t need to mention about how the Steelers were nothing but the Browns red-headed STEPCHILD during the 40s, 50s, 60s, and half of the 80s.

    Wow. “Red haired sibling.” Dope doesn’t even know the phrase he’s trying to use. Amazing.

  31. paulbrownsrevenge says: Jun 29, 2011 11:48 PM

    The Browns will become relevant soon. With a kid at quarterback who will do everything it takes to be great. The Albino Rhino Brothers (Hillis and Marecic), will flatten teams behind our young strong offensive line. Especially if we get Matt Light from the pats. I’ve never been so excited about a Browns season. We still have steps to take, but the Steelers and Ratbirds are getting old. Shurmur will be great. we’re finally drafting good.

  32. paulbrownsrevenge says: Jun 29, 2011 11:54 PM

    Big baby is gone, Phil Taylor with Rubin will do well. It sounds like this Sheard kid can be really good. Greg Little has first round talent. Holmgren would not have taken him if he didn’t think he could keep his head on straight. Cleveland fans be proud. The Future appears to be bright. Hardesty will help save Hillis some abuse. I could go on and on, but i won’t, I’ll just hope we have a season, and be happy when we win over half our games.

  33. paulbrownsrevenge says: Jun 29, 2011 11:55 PM

    Bottom line. Our new management is Pulling Weeds, and they’re doing a great job.

  34. joetoronto says: Jun 30, 2011 6:27 AM

    gtisme:

    Moving the team is one thing but they way it was handled just plain sucked. Any decent human being who was around back then feels for the fans of the Browns.

    You wouldn’t know that, because you’re as ignorant as they come.

  35. mrfrostyj says: Jun 30, 2011 11:14 AM

    Here’s my worst moments for both teams.

    Browns

    – Any game where a title was on the line in the 1980′s

    – Paul Brown getting fired

    – Loosing the team

    – Bottlegate

    – Every loss of the 2007 season

    – The Colts benching their starters in the last game of the 2007 season

    – Playoff loss to the Steelers in 02

    Ravens

    – Anyone who played quarterback after Vinnie Testeverde and before Joe Flacco

    – Any post season game against an AFC North opponent

    – Management in the early 00′s who filled the team with over the hill soon to be retiree’s setting the team back almost a decade.

    – The inability to beat the original Baltimore team (The Colts) EVER.

    – Letting Derek Anderson go for nothing and watching him lead a division rival to 10 wins.

    – Letting Jamal Lewis go and watching him run all over you on the same team as Anderson and just as bad as he did against the team he ended up going to.

    Both

    – Phil Savages existance

    – George Kokinases existance

    – signing Dante Stallworth

    – thinking Trent Dilfer was a starting QB.

    Did I miss anything?

  36. MVQB7 says: Jul 2, 2011 12:48 AM

    The Browns have their worst moments whenever they take the field. Thank God they have the Bengals to take away some of the attention from them in same division lol!

  37. oldbrowndawg says: Jul 3, 2011 9:49 AM

    @MVQB7:

    Enjoy your superman/superteam status while you still have it. Your vaunted Stillers are getting VERY long in the tooth at some critical positions (DL, S), your CBs suck and your offensive line should treat your mv qb good old Toothlessburger to several trips to the turf this year. Browns will continue to build under Holmgren and Heckert and GB already proved what a WCO can do to your vaunted D. But for 3 dropped passes, the Pack would have put up 41 in the Super Bowl. Face it, partner — your days of glory are coming to an end. So move over and make room for a young team on the rise.

  38. clesportsgeek says: Jul 5, 2011 11:46 PM

    Late to the party on this one but I can’t believe no one has mentioned Bernie Kosar getting cut.

  39. modellsux86 says: Jul 9, 2011 10:19 PM

    joeflaccosunibrow says:

    Had Cleveland NOT built the Indians stadium, Modell would have never left! He lost 81 rent checks a year with that new stadium. How can anyone with half a brain defend that?
    _________________________________

    This is another Modell lie that he’s sold you! How can anyone with a “half a brain” not do their research?

    Modell was offered (and refused) a great deal to be involved with Jacobs field. He TURNED IT DOWN! Talk about “half a brain”.

    He also personally approved a renovation plan to his existing stadium (in 1993-94) and at no time did he ask Cleveland to give him a new stadium.

    Wait, sorry. He DID ask for a new stadium, but not until the move to Baltimore was nearly completed behind closed doors. Cleveland, by the way, approved a new stadium. Unfortunately, and as Modell has hoped for, it was too late.

    No “HOF” for Modell!!

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