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Amid government shutdown, Vikings shut down stadium push

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Yes, the Vikings still want a new stadium in Minnesota.  No, they’re not going to ask for one while the government has shut down due to the lack of a budget deal.

Sid Hartman of the Minneapolis Star Tribune reports that team ownership realizes that now isn’t the time to push for public money, given that folks will be losing money due to lost employment until the budget impasse is resolved.

It’s a smart move, but it’s also fairly obvious.  Even an eight-year-old knows that there are certain family hardships during which it wouldn’t be prudent to keep asking for that new bike.

Hartman also commits a little Star Trib on Star Trib crime, reporting that his paper’s report of a reduction in the estimated cost of the project from $1 billion to $800 million isn’t accurate.  Of course, he doesn’t specifically name his own paper as the source of the supposedly erroneous report, but it was.

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  1. granadafan says: Jul 1, 2011 4:28 PM

    Makes sense. When the govt is shutdown and workers aren’t getting paid, it’s a bit hypocritical and flat out wrong to push for public money to pay for a billionaire’s workplace.

  2. krow101 says: Jul 1, 2011 4:31 PM

    Let’s be honest … isn’t it always hypocritical to take money from hard-working taxpayers to give to a billionaire? In what alternate universe does that make any sense?

  3. WingT says: Jul 1, 2011 4:32 PM

    Suppose a deal gets done somehow, someway – who pays if there are building cost overruns?

  4. dempsey63 says: Jul 1, 2011 4:33 PM

    That’s the Schwinn bicycle designed by Paul Teutul Jr. I’m going to ask the Minnesota Legislature to buy me one.

  5. superdanlp says: Jul 1, 2011 4:36 PM

    Isn’t this a done deal already anyways? Weren’t they just waiting to announce it so the public doesn’t realize they were working on this rather than the budget, and you know, not costing a ton of people their jobs (temporarily).

  6. SmackSaw says: Jul 1, 2011 4:42 PM

    They can play in the Los Angeles Coliseum until the new stadium is finished.

  7. keramidas21 says: Jul 1, 2011 4:52 PM

    I’m not sure, maybe I’m just missing something, but what is the point of the bicycle???

  8. jimmysee says: Jul 1, 2011 4:52 PM

    The solution here is obviously that the Vikings should change their name to PurpleOil — then qualify for mega-tax breaks and taxpayer handouts given to oil companies.

    This stadium is chump change in those circles.

  9. minnesotablizzard says: Jul 1, 2011 4:54 PM

    I can’t believe the GOP forced this shut down because they didn’t want to tax Minnesotans that make over $1,000,000 a year or an estimated 7,700 Minnesotans, or 0.3 percent of all taxpayers, according to the Revenue Department.

    Their counter proposal?

    The GOP proposed delaying another $700 million in payments owed to schools, which would add to the more than $1 billion the state already owes K-12 schools.

    Republicans also offered to issue “tobacco bonds” of an unspecified amount to cover any remaining budget gap.

    Seriously? Is this a joke?

    Source: http://www.startribune.com/politics/statelocal/124824189.html

  10. packattack1967 says: Jul 1, 2011 5:07 PM

    You know, the NFL, I mean every aspect of the NFL needs to understand and appreciate that the boom years of the past may never be seen in our lifetime again. This will not be the first of a teams come to Jesus, realizations. Look at the Dodgers and the NBA.
    (I won’t mention The One and his fiscal prowess so please dont delete my post Mr. Pinheaded comment editor)

  11. packattack1967 says: Jul 1, 2011 5:10 PM

    minnesotablizzard says:

    Hey bud, how exactly do you tax someone making over a million bucks? take his houses, cars away? They wont put up with it, they will move the money with a click of a mouse. Just ask Chris Christie what happened to his state. Stop drinking the liberal KoolAid

  12. minnesotablizzard says: Jul 1, 2011 5:13 PM

    packattack1967 if you don’t make over a mill a year why would you defend it?

  13. vikingsinla says: Jul 1, 2011 5:16 PM

    LOL, here come the LA VIKNGS, AMIRITE?!?!

  14. borisbulldog says: Jul 1, 2011 5:18 PM

    That’s the Schwinn bicycle designed by Paul Teutul Jr

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    OCC and the MIN Vikings have a lot in common as they both are overpriced and under perform!

  15. radrhatr says: Jul 1, 2011 5:29 PM

    I bet the politicians voting on the stadium are still getting paid by the developer and the Vikings.

  16. Soulman45 says: Jul 1, 2011 5:46 PM

    When will these owners going to see the public have no money to pay for their playpens.

  17. Derty Ernie says: Jul 1, 2011 5:59 PM

    Yes the state is shut down. Big deal. Not like this hasn’t happened before. So I can’t buy powerball tickets or go to some state park to let the bugs eat me alive.

    The Wilfs have gone more than the extra mile to keep the team here. Two major forces are at play in this mess: one group demands the Vikes stay in downtown Minneapolis – obviously for loss of revenue concerns,
    the other says lets put the stadium out of town where there is ample space and the Wilfs can get concession and parking revenue that they do not have now.

    In Minnesota when you have two sides adamate on winning, nothing gets down. AKA state shutdown today.

  18. Derty Ernie says: Jul 1, 2011 6:05 PM

    minnesota blizzard is an idiot. The state is 4 b as in billion in debt from overspending basically. Our taxes right now are third in the nation and the gov proposes that if we tax millionaires big time we can pay this off.
    Ya right. People like me would be looking at the tax tables next year with sticker shock to find that we also get hit big time. Its not just millionairs blizzard brain!
    Our legislature is saying, the people elected us to be fiscally responsible, the past bills are due and were not increasing taxes to bail the state out.
    No wonder they ain’t talking stadium. They ain’t talking period.

  19. packattack1967 says: Jul 1, 2011 6:24 PM

    minnesotablizzard says: Jul 1, 2011 5:13 PM

    packattack1967 if you don’t make over a mill a year why would you defend it?
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    My God that is a dumb response. Because Minnesota doesnt need more taxes. It needs more tax payers. And, as I pointed out, it doesnt work. Just look at New Jersey. Rich people dont get paychecks. So, you cant tax them unless you seize their assets. But they do invest their money, that opens credit, that builds business, that make things, so people get hired. Its liberal class warfare and demagoguery. What are you going to do? Take Al Frankens vacation home and Benz from him?

  20. orangeflh says: Jul 1, 2011 6:29 PM

    The Vikings need to stay in Minnesota, as they personify the overall ineptitude of the state almost perfectly. Is there anything they *haven’t* screwed up?

  21. bobbyhoying says: Jul 1, 2011 7:02 PM

    How could Minnesota have some of the highest taxes in the country and be broke? What’s wrong with those people? Maybe everybody with ambition moved to states with no state income taxes.

  22. skoobyfl says: Jul 1, 2011 7:16 PM

    I mentioned that the state shutting down & the Vikings getting a new stadium would collide, bingo.

  23. ticewasbetter says: Jul 1, 2011 8:24 PM

    Obviously, as a Minnesota taxpayer and Viking fan nothing is more annoying than the fact that this deal would’ve been announced last Wed with Ziggy and Dayton having finally figured out the last parts of the bill and it was ready for a special session.

    Also now is the fact that as a Minnesota taxpayer we have to wait if they can figure out how to squeeze $300 mil into a 36 Billion budget to opperate this state for another year. Figure it out and stop being such a joke.

    You can’t figure out how to make 36 Billion dollars work in this state? I Can. Cut Spending on useless projects and pointless welfare handouts of WIC and EBT to idiots that can clearly say ‘would you like fries with that’.

    Hopefully it happens for two reasons, one that we can break ground in Arden Hills. I personally won’t have to move as I’ll be done with this stupid state if they can’t figure out $36 Billion with a B and a way to keep the Vikings. And of course Two: we’ll no longer have to read after every stadium story…

    ‘or they’ll be looking to move closer to another team that used to play in minneapolis’
    ‘or they might just play close to another team that also wears purple’
    ‘if they don’t quick, the Vikings could look elsewhere’
    ‘if the powers that be in minnesota don’t act soon, the team will be looking to where another former Minnesota team etc…’
    ‘Magic Johnson’s former team could be joined by another former minneapolis team’
    ‘the team in minneapolis could soon join another team that used to call minneapolis home’
    ‘can either be resolved in Minnesota or the team could resolve it’s issue in Los Angeles’
    ‘if this doesn’t happen, Los Angeles will be waiting and ready’
    ‘if key members don’t act quickly, Ziggy could be forced to move or sell out entirely’

  24. orangeflh says: Jul 1, 2011 8:37 PM

    Twins/Brewers delayed start. They build an open air baseball stadium, yet want a retractable roof for football. THAT is the genius that is Minnesota. In…ept.

  25. mediasloppy says: Jul 1, 2011 9:02 PM

    All you need to know is the GOP starting with Pawlenty have traded MN’s Education so they can cut taxes for the rich. Did no rich people live in MN all the years they’ve ran a surplus? This is the biggest hole MN has ever been in so the GOP can implement their plan.

    *Make the rich, richer
    *Defund Medical Assistance & other vital sevices
    *Defund anything that has to do with planned parenthood
    *Implement voter ID and other devices to ensure the GOP has a future in elections.

  26. bluestree says: Jul 1, 2011 9:04 PM

    “Rich people dont get paychecks. So, you cant tax them unless you seize their assets. But they do invest their money, that opens credit, that builds business, that make things, so people get hired.”

    You can’t tax rich people because they don’t get paychecks? Are you serious? You can take a mulligan on that one.
    Rich people do invest and it can create jobs. That’s what they’re doing with all the money saved from ten years of Bush tax cuts, in China.

  27. calvikefan1 says: Jul 1, 2011 10:58 PM

    At some point ( and I hope not ) Ziggy is going to throw his arms up and say THAT’S IT ! I’m done ! Can’t take it anymore, were outta here . You can almost sense it.

  28. lolvikings says: Jul 2, 2011 12:57 AM

    LA isn’t shutting down their push; so here come the LA VIKINGS! LOL AMIRITE!? Give me a thumbs down if you agree!!

  29. thetooloftools says: Jul 2, 2011 4:31 AM

    They are going to move the team to L.A. and give it a Spanish name and you can take this to the BANK !
    Plans are already being discussed.
    It’s part of the NFL’s plan for “international adoption” as money spent on soccer teams makes the NFL look like chump change and they are vigorous in their moves to get into that pie.
    Don’t kid yourself.

  30. deeppurple23 says: Jul 2, 2011 7:12 AM

    Just move already, I’m sick of watching the Vikings doing everything they can to stay in MN only to have the people of MN continue to find one reason or another for not doing anything. LA will build a stadium and be GLAD to have a team. MN is acting like it’s a privilege for the Vikings that they get to play there. Get a grip MN, it’s the other way around.

  31. bcknights says: Jul 2, 2011 8:16 AM

    Get the buget passed, get people back to work! A little more important than football at this point. Then work on the stadium.

  32. packattack1967 says: Jul 2, 2011 8:31 AM

    At issue here in Minnesota (my summertime home) is a slightly goofy governor’s proposal to foist an even higher tax on “the wealthy,” tagging Gopher State sluggards with the second highest income tax rate in the nation. The rich. Who needs’ em?

    Besides the second highest tax brackets in the nation, Minnesota suffers from the third highest income tax on business income, too, at 9.5 percent at the top tier. High taxes are a legacy of the long-in-power Democrats’ hostility to business in this bone-chilling state.

    Well known in corporate circles, if not by local liberal news media, is the confluence of sky-high taxes (called the Land of 10,000 Taxes) is that highly respected home-bred, state-domiciled businesses, such as 3M, put down roots routinely in other states, as Boeing did in South Carolina, based on the high tide of taxes and regulations. Oh yes, and also on whether unions’ swagger is less than in this dues-coercive, non-right-to-work state. Progressivism here, it’s made terrific headway. Quietly, without a lot of suspicion of its real aims.

  33. jimmysee says: Jul 2, 2011 8:53 AM

    If “rich people” did invest, with all the Bush tax cuts for millionaires, we’d have jobs everywhere and no recession.

    That whole line of talk is bull – plain and simple. Anyone who believes it is a fool.

    Rich people stash that cash away while everyone else picks up their tax burden for them.

    Evening going back to the tax rates we had under Reagan could go a long way to fix the problem.

    And if social security withholding were taken from every dollar of pay, not just the first $100k or so, the whole social security funding issue would vanish.

    It may be taken from every dollar of your “want fries with that” job, but for “rich folks,” that tax disappears mighty fast when they skyrocket right past that $100k threshold.

  34. jimmysee says: Jul 2, 2011 9:54 AM

    This whole “Land of 10,000 taxes” — “Taxachusetts, etc. stuff is really tiring.

    And “right to work” is bull. It’s an anti-union law that assures low wages.

    The big complaint in Wisconsin about public sector unions is how much more those folks make than workers in the private sector.

    Well — ding dong, wake up — those folks have a union to bargain for them.

    Business has not “abandoned” Minnesota, California, New York so-called “high tax” states.

    Those locations offer highly educated work forces. CA, particularly, remains the center of innovation and new company formation in tech.

    Who, if they have any money, who wants to live in South Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi where the race is to the bottom.

    There’s way more to life than “low taxes.”

  35. gdeli says: Jul 2, 2011 10:24 AM

    he’s in his 90’s, if they haven’t fired him by now…ha. Gee the vikes are being real kind waiting for this, yes, it’s obvious. Which is first to happen? The lockout ends or the state is running again? I knew the 200 million drop was too good to be true. My son could see that too!

  36. randleguy says: Jul 2, 2011 10:51 AM

    Unlike the Twins stadium (that was payed for by the taxpayers), The Vikings stadium will only be used by the Vikings at best 12 times per year, while the rest of the events are non Viking related events. That create dollars to the state and the people that live here.
    If the Vikings leave, we will $200 million in taxes and the tax base that the player generate from there salaries. Would the state help keep 3M here, with tax incentives and other benefits?

  37. thephantomstranger says: Jul 2, 2011 11:48 AM

    packattack1967, you are my favorite Packer fan.

  38. ikickgypsies says: Jul 2, 2011 1:41 PM

    the stadium deal is done, they just have to wait till the state budget deal is finalized till they announce it otherwise it sounds like they didn’t have their priorities straight. we may have to keep the “amirite?!” guy on a suicide watch when they announce the deal, he’s gonna be shattered.

  39. dwhitehurst says: Jul 2, 2011 1:57 PM

    jimmysee says:
    Jul 2, 2011 9:54 AM

    The big complaint in Wisconsin about public sector unions is how much more those folks make than workers in the private sector. Well — ding dong, wake up — those folks have a union to bargain for them…..There’s way more to life than “low taxes.”
    ——–

    Seriously, are you from Greece? Oh wait, as far as Keynesian economics, Minnesota is the same thing….As far as those folks who have a union to bargain for them, those folks would not have a union (public union = taxpayer funded) were it not for the tax dollars funding it off the backs of the private sector workers and the many small business owners who provide them jobs. Talk about biting the hands that feeds you! This spoiled, self-entitlement attitude of the public sector is a major reason why economically and educationally (!) the US is plummeting to Third World Status. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you! Minnesota can’t have it both ways…even a pubwic school economics student realize you can’t have higher and higher tax rates and simultaneously sustain increased revenues for long, before businesses either close, cut their work force, or move out of state. You Minnysoehdah progressivist socialists just don’t get it, especially if you even are willing to appeal the failed lab experiment of progressivism called Wisconsin.

    And while there is way more to life than “low taxes” as you say, it sure would be a good start. Ron Paul anyone? ;)

  40. SmurfJuice says: Jul 2, 2011 2:37 PM

    As I’ve said from Day One, the Vikings will not be in Minnesota much longer.

    I’m still wondering why the Gophers got a shiny new stadium, yet they didn’t make it NFL-worthy.

  41. jimmysee says: Jul 2, 2011 11:08 PM

    dwhitehurst says:
    Jul 2, 2011 1:57 PM
    jimmysee says:
    Jul 2, 2011 9:54 AM

    The big complaint in Wisconsin about public sector unions is how much more those folks make than workers in the private sector. Well — ding dong, wake up — those folks have a union to bargain for them…..There’s way more to life than “low taxes.”
    ——–

    Seriously, are you from Greece? Oh wait, as far as Keynesian economics, Minnesota is the same thing….As far as those folks who have a union to bargain for them, those folks would not have a union (public union = taxpayer funded) were it not for the tax dollars funding it off the backs of the private sector workers and the many small business owners who provide them jobs. Talk about biting the hands that feeds you! This spoiled, self-entitlement attitude of the public sector is a major reason why economically and educationally (!) the US is plummeting to Third World Status. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you! Minnesota can’t have it both ways…even a pubwic school economics student realize you can’t have higher and higher tax rates and simultaneously sustain increased revenues for long, before businesses either close, cut their work force, or move out of state. You Minnysoehdah progressivist socialists just don’t get it, especially if you even are willing to appeal the failed lab experiment of progressivism called Wisconsin.

    And while there is way more to life than “low taxes” as you say, it sure would be a good start. Ron Paul anyone?

    ———————————————————-

    If you’re pulling that “third world status” bunk — you have lost all credibility.

    Ever been to a third world country? If you have and still make such silly statements, then you are blind or a lier. If you haven’t then you truly do not know what you’re talking about.

    Low taxes would be a good start, eh? Then move to Somalia where they have low low, maybe no taxes, all the “freedom” you want, and no infrastructure, public institutions, or services.

  42. mediasloppy says: Jul 2, 2011 11:38 PM

    Packattack-

    You have a point about higher taxes and business, but there is a trade off. Texas has created TONS of business with their tax policy of very low taxes. The trade off is no middle class with a huge disparity among the rich and poor. On the top of that a future where Texas ranks among dead last in education. Where’s the future there.

    The land of “10,000 taxes” stocks them with fish and has state parks all over MN. Environmental policies cost money. How many States could call going “up north” a vacation. It takes money to make money. Minnesota has so much to offer. Why would you even have a summer home there if the cost of living is so high…

  43. vikefan says: Jul 3, 2011 2:18 PM

    You can’t figure out how to make 36 Billion dollars work in this state? I Can. Cut Spending on useless projects and pointless welfare handouts of WIC and EBT to idiots that can clearly say ‘would you like fries with that’
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    b4 u start ridiculing gov’t programs, do u even know what they are or what they are for? you sound like an inept schmuck but i will not call u one cause u also sound like a vikings fan and based on your name liked mike tice so i will give u a break.

    wic program allows underpriveleged people without a lot of money the chance to purchase FRESH food, grains, dairy, fruit, vegetables at the cost of the taxpayers and also necessary to listen to food nutrition programs and learn about healthy diets of very young children. sometimes this is the ONLY fresh food children get, unprocessed, fresh, & wholesome cause either their parents cannot afford it or do not know how to eat, store, or prepare it if not appropriately educated. Kids would be alot worse off without WIC i promise u, just like now with gov’t shutdown, most kids that get daycare assistance are missing the only decent meal they get in summertime cause parents daycare assistance help has been cut off. If u have not personally seen it or been there, dont judge….just sayin….

  44. dwhitehurst says: Jul 3, 2011 3:16 PM

    jimmysee says:
    Jul 2, 2011 9:54 AM

    If you’re pulling that “third world status” bunk — you have lost all credibility. Ever been to a third world country? If you have and still make such silly statements, then you are blind or a lier. If you haven’t then you truly do not know what you’re talking about. Low taxes would be a good start, eh? Then move to Somalia where they have low low, maybe no taxes, all the “freedom” you want, and no infrastructure, public institutions, or services.
    ————-

    It’s called “hyperbole”…as your hilarious example of Somalia, which is 80% freaken desert among many other factors, would be if you werent’ serious in bringing it up. (Have you been to Somalia? If you haven’t, then should I be calling you a “lier” as you put it?) And yes, lower taxes would be a good start, even if such meant of loss of some of the “public” (tax-dollar sucking) infrastructure, the teet of which apparently a nanny-stater like yourself can’t do without. In fact, a flat income tax rate for all regardless of income would be an even better start. (Oh yes, the sheer horror!)

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