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Another ex-Bengal agrees with the “worst franchise” ranking

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After ESPN The Magazine ranked the Bengals as the worst pro sports franchise in North America, former Bengals quarterback Boomer Esiason said that ranking was a no-brainer.

Now Dave Rimington, the center who snapped the ball to Esiason in Cincinnati, has said the same.

Rimington, the two-time Outland Trophy winner who’s widely regarded as the best center in college football history, had a somewhat disappointing NFL career after the Bengals chose him in the first round of the 1983 NFL draft. Rimington told ESPN.com it was difficult adjusting from playing at Nebraska to playing in Cincinnati.

“I went from one of the best organizations in college football to probably one of the worst organizations in the NFL,” Rimington said. “I went from a weight room that was half the size of a football field to a weight room that looked like a junior high weight room, and the strength coach didn’t want anybody to lift.”

Rimington said he was stunned by the things he had to endure with the Bengals.

“It was ridiculous the stuff we had to go through there,” he said. “I just had to shake my head. It’s like the black hole of professional football. Good players go there and you never hear from them again.”

It was almost a quarter of a century ago that Rimington left the Bengals. The perceptions of the franchise, however, have not changed.

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58 Responses to “Another ex-Bengal agrees with the “worst franchise” ranking”
  1. jw731 says: Jul 3, 2011 8:15 AM

    So….They had a “strength” coach who didn’t want anyone to lift?……Scratches head……

  2. wryly1 says: Jul 3, 2011 8:17 AM

    … and now when you subtract Carson Palmer and T.O. plus a declining Cedirc Benson, the Bungles will retain their lock on the AFC North basement.

  3. deanvernonwormer says: Jul 3, 2011 8:19 AM

    What the heck is he talking about? Remember whay Sam Wyche said: “You don’t live in Cleveland. You live in Cincinnati!

    The Browns stink too but at least the Bengals made it to the SuperBowl.

  4. lennydpocketqb says: Jul 3, 2011 8:20 AM

    Sad.

  5. thetooloftools says: Jul 3, 2011 8:31 AM

    WOW… it’s not piling on if it’s the truth.

  6. Ricardo Grande says: Jul 3, 2011 8:44 AM

    Ouch…

  7. MichaelEdits says: Jul 3, 2011 8:48 AM

    What about the Lions?

    The Bengals managed a few great campaigns that ultimately fizzled, whereas the Lions have been rebuilding for 50 or 55 years. I really do think the Lions will do well this year, if there is a year this year, but since it hasn’t happened yet, they are more futile than the Bengals.

    (Honorable mention to Al Davis, but I’m old enough to remember the Gruden years and even the Madden years. I almost razzed the Cardinals, but they played a heck of a Super Bowl after Delhomme {my team} threw 5 interceptions their way.)

  8. 504in860 says: Jul 3, 2011 8:59 AM

    Looks like someone is blaming the Bengals organization for him not being a legit player in the league.

  9. bengals2012 says: Jul 3, 2011 9:02 AM

    Who cares? THe dude sucked misreably in the NFL. The BEngals were actually good during that time period so he has no excuse. Bengals franchise is awful, yes, but during the 80′s they had some success. HE has no excuse for his play on the field. NEver could live up to his college status.

  10. euroamericans says: Jul 3, 2011 9:12 AM

    I can’t wait to see Andrew Luck’s face when the Bengals end up with the first pick.

    “What do I do now Peyton?”

  11. swervinmervin says: Jul 3, 2011 9:26 AM

    The Bengals are a bad organization, but I dont get these 80′s Bengals player complaining. Theey went to two Super Bowls (and almost won them both) in like a 7 year span. That’s pretty darn impressive. And they made the playoffs a bunch of times in the 80′s. It seems like the only Bengals who SHOULDNT be talking about how bad the Bengals are/were is the Bengals players of the 80′s. These guys just want to get their names in the press.

  12. stixzidinia says: Jul 3, 2011 9:36 AM

    LOL at Bungles fans. Supporting a struggling organization you know to be poorly run is not an act of admirable loyalty, but rather, one of stupidity. It’s no different than choosing to buy products from a company with a poor track record for quality.

  13. imjinbrdgr says: Jul 3, 2011 9:48 AM

    0-16

  14. aguess8888 says: Jul 3, 2011 10:25 AM

    Go Browns lol

  15. arnoldziffel says: Jul 3, 2011 10:35 AM

    Those uniforms only look good if they’re winning …

  16. mikebrownistheworstownerinprosports says: Jul 3, 2011 10:39 AM

    @ stixzidinia – What’s your team? I guess you see no honor in not being “fairweather”. I think people that live in Cleveland and support the Cowboys are stupid. Support your hometown team. Anyone can support a winner.

    You can see by my name what I think of Bengals ownership. But I will not stop supporting the home team. Again, what’s your team?

  17. johnnyjagfan says: Jul 3, 2011 10:40 AM

    I really think this is more of a reflection of high hopes and underachievement. Watching the Bengals play two Super Bowls didn’t cement them in my mind as a candidate for the worst franchise. Back in those days, Tampa would have been a lock for the title. Now, the Bengals appear to have a decent team every year in camp, had a supposedly solid QB, big name WRs and then you wake up mid-season and they’re 2-6. Its weird.

  18. bereado says: Jul 3, 2011 10:44 AM

    Bungles fans: please keep the Browns out of this. The Browns have been poor for slightly over a decade, the Bungles have been medicore to woefully bad for all but 8 of their 32 years.

    Even when the Bungles made it to those two superbowls in the 80′s, they still were mediocre to poor for most of that decade. They had a whopping three winning seasons in the 80′s: Compare the Browns overall record in the 80′s with the Bungles in that same time frame- the Browns had TWICE as many winning years!

    The Browns have 8 championships out of 11 championship games. The Bungles have 0 championships out of two championship games.

    The Bungles all time best player is Anthony Munoz- he is a fine player, but when your best all time player is a O-line player, just shut the hell up. The Browns have a entire O-line in the hall of fame!

  19. londonbengal says: Jul 3, 2011 10:47 AM

    FAO ‘stixzdinia’

    “LOL @ Bungles fans. Supporting a struggling organisation you know to be poorly run is not an act of admirable loyalty, but rather, one of stupidity”…..

    Of all the dumba$$ comments I’ve read on this site, this one takes the biscuit.

    People generally follow the sports teams they follow because its in their blood, their life experience or their heritage; unlike you ‘stixzdinia’ who presumably follows a currently ‘succesful’ team who’s winning now.

    We all remember when the Packers, the Pats, the Saints, the Steelers etc etc, had terrible teams. That’s the beauty of the NFL, teams come and go. That didn’t mean their supporters were ‘stupid’ when their teams were bad.

    I happen to follow the Bengals because Cincy was the first American city I visited, and I’ll bet most Bengal fans have heritage from Southern Ohio or Kentucky. Mike Browns ownership is temporary; following your team is for life.

    I could easily change my e-mail and address to ‘LondonSteeler’ or ‘LondonPacker’ and no-one would be any the wiser, but I don’t because for right or wrong I’m a Bengals ‘lifer’, through thin and thinner.

    It’s like family, you can’t change it, it is what it is.

  20. moolah954 says: Jul 3, 2011 10:57 AM

    its seems like Ohio sucks to mee

  21. yankees2009 says: Jul 3, 2011 11:04 AM

    I’m going to assume the Bengals have an above-average weight room nowadays… but is it really true that they still don’t have an indoor practice facility?? There’s lower level HS football teams that have them..

  22. donbaseball says: Jul 3, 2011 11:04 AM

    This guy was a bust who never got his name in the paper and wants to blame the team.

    The Bengals will beat the Ravens and Browns like they always do, and give the steelers a run.

    Addition by subtraction with Pick-6-me-Palmer and the TO-Chad circus.

  23. drbandkgb says: Jul 3, 2011 11:11 AM

    Its amazing how all these people want to jump on the Bengals.. Boomer really? The only team you were ever good on was the Bengals.. I dont see Anthony Muñoz bitching about the career he had there and he is a HOF’er.. Its easy to jump on the Mike Brown is a idiot band wagon.. Truth is.. HE IS! but..
    I look at the Redskins.. with all there money.. I dont see them going to the play off much.. I see the Raiders..they cant seem to stay in one area longer than 15 years..

    Anyone read up on the NBA? Isnt it 25 teams loosing money? I dont see the Bengals loosing any.. Oh and in the worst of times.. The Bengals never lost 16 games in one season…

  24. mac3333 says: Jul 3, 2011 11:15 AM

    This might be a salient criticism, if Rimington had played a freaking snap in the LAST TWO DECADES!!

    This guy last strapped on a helmet in 1989. So his opinion is absolutely uninformed. Do the Bengals suck? Yes. Is the organization mismanaged? Yes. But this chump has had ZERO interaction with the franchise since the 80′s. He cries about the old weight room. None of that is relevant in 2011 where the Bengals are based @ Paul Brown Stadium and have a state of the art facility.

    Rimington’s problem is he never lived up to his college hype. He was a mediocre NFL player at best. He could have been drafted by the 49′ers, who were the gold standard at the time. It wouldn’t have mattered as Rimington wasn’t tough enough for the NFL. As a 1st rounder from the vaunted 1983 draft we can only conclude that Rimington was a bust.

    The Bengals and Mike Brown specifically are well deserved of criticism. It’s just needs to come from someone who actually played in the last 10 years. Let alone a bust from the early 80′s who hasn’t strapped up in over 20+ years.

  25. therevdewitt says: Jul 3, 2011 11:19 AM

    I was wondering the same thing, swervinmervin. These are the players from the best stretch of years in Bengals history, when Paul Brown was still around. I’m surprised they have these complaints about their era. The Mike Brown era, well, I feel for the Bengals fans a bit, until they start talking trash of course, but it’s gotta be rough sticking it through with Mike Brown in charge. Seems like a nice guy but can’t run a football organization. He needs to hire a GM and I think everybody seems to know it but him.

  26. jrich4210 says: Jul 3, 2011 11:45 AM

    Bareado:The Browns have 8 championships out of 11 championship games. The Bungles have 0 championships out of two championship games.

    Dude, that team is in Baltimore now. Didn’t you notice? That is a good team. Too bad you lost them.

    The current Browns were never in a Super Bowl. Shut your trap!

  27. andrewfbrowne says: Jul 3, 2011 12:11 PM

    I think one of the clearest indications that the Bengals are the worst franchise in sports is that they took this guy in the first round.

    It must be difficult to be proof that people point to that is the worst of evertything out there.

  28. therevdewitt says: Jul 3, 2011 12:13 PM

    The franchise remained in Cleveland, the personnel didn’t. The lawsuit settlement with the NFL let the city retain the franchise, colors, name and HISTORY. This has been settled through the courts. Whatever you think jrch4210, doesn’t matter in the least.

  29. bubbabart says: Jul 3, 2011 12:15 PM

    As a Browns fan I have to say this….they have been to 2 Superbowls….how is that the worst, as much as I’d like to believe it??

  30. samoanjungle says: Jul 3, 2011 12:17 PM

    The Bengals are a better organization than what Rimington was a player. He is looking for someone to blame for his poor performance.
    Gee, Dave it didn’t stop Munoz or 2 other lineman from going to the probowl. One year, 3 of the 5 probowl starters on the O-Line were Bengals.
    The worst decision the Bengals made in the 80s was to draft Rimington over Dan Marino.

  31. mddare007 says: Jul 3, 2011 12:29 PM

    It sort of sounds like sour grapes to me. Don’t be that guy who blames everyone else for his problems.

  32. bereado says: Jul 3, 2011 12:47 PM

    That team is in Baltimore? Really?

    How many games did Otto Grahm play for Baltimore? Or Jim Brown, or any other player that won a championship team in Cleveland?

    Your must be baiting, because no adult over 18 years of age can honestly be that stupid.

    The only time the Browns ever played in Baltimore was as a visiting team. There is not one player on the current Ravens staff that was drafted or signed as a free agent while they were part of the Cleveland Browns orginization.

    In your world, everytime a team gets a new front office or owner, it would constitute throwing out the records. Sorry, it does not work that way… but what if it did?

    Mike Took the Bengals over in 1991: he has had two winnning seasons in that time. Lerner took over the Browns in 1994, he has had one winning season in that time.

    At the current rate of both owners, the Browns can expect many more winning seasons over the next 13 years then the Bungles have enjoyed in the past 20. Hell, the Bungles did not enjoy a winning season for the first 14 years of Mike Browns ownership!

    The Browns, even with the dismal decade of football, still have one of the best records historically. The Bungles have an all time losing record.

    And the fact still remains that the Bengals are the most mismanaged football team in the NFL since the death of Paul. Mike does not have the brain power or the financial power to be a succesfull NFL owner, which is why Bengals players are coming out of the woodwork to damn the franchise, refuse to play for the franchise, disrespect the owner on tv shows or threaten to kick the owners ass.

  33. pitch87mph says: Jul 3, 2011 1:07 PM

    I think Donald Sterling and the Clippers front office would take offense to that ranking. The Clippers have made being bad an art form! Nobody does it better! They sellout games with ridiculous prices, in an inferior game. They have the ability to take superstars and turn them into after thoughts. And if they have legit superstars, they don’t stay long. Blake Griffin will probably be gone soon. He’s too good. They’ll make the playoffs with him once, I would imagine. Then they’ll start disbanding the team again. I’m sure of all the teams in the NBA allegedly losing money, the Clippers are NOT one of them. Mike Brown can’t compete with the planned incompetence of the Clippers. They aren’t even in the same zip code :p

  34. sports_dude says: Jul 3, 2011 1:26 PM

    As crappy as Cinci is, LA Dodgers just took that spot

  35. jvw1982 says: Jul 3, 2011 2:09 PM

    When the Bengals win its in spite of the ownership……

  36. cincinnati222 says: Jul 3, 2011 2:09 PM

    I started a Bengals fan and ill die a Bengals fan. No matter the rating or the trash talked towards them. People hate on this team consistently. But if some of you really researched the things that go on with this team from the indoor facility down to the nonsense with Mike Brown you’d have a different respect for the things Marvin Lewis and company have done. Im glad this team has character because i’d be damned if i had to be around a bunch of bandwagon fans who couldnt even tell me who Corey Dillion was. WHO-DEY! and many more… Happy 4th btw! Say a prayer for our men and woman in the armed forces and those overseas who cant be home with their families cause they are out fighting for us and our freedoms. A little goes a long way for a deployed troop!

  37. benlw2 says: Jul 3, 2011 2:59 PM

    There are 10 teams that have been to the Super Bowl (in years shown) and lost each time:
    Minnesota Vikings (0-4) 1970, 1974, 1975, 1977
    Buffalo Bills (0-4) consecutively 1991-1994
    Cincinnati Bengals (0-2) 1982, 1989
    Philadelphia Eagles (0-2) 1981, 2005
    San Diego Chargers (0-1) 1995
    Atlanta Falcons (0-1) 1999
    Tennessee Titans (0-1) 2000
    Carolina Panthers (0-1) 2004
    Seattle Seahawks (0-1) 2006
    Arizona Cardinals (0-1) 2009

    There are 4 Teams that have never played in a Super Bowl :
    Cleveland Browns (new Browns)
    Detroit Lions
    Houston Texans
    Jacksonville Jaguars

    So like the Patriots, Bucs and Saints until they started winning consistently, the Bengals public perception is tossed about as truth. The Bengals are far from the worst franchise in sports.

  38. thetooloftools says: Jul 3, 2011 3:07 PM

    I don’t think anyone from here in Cleveland should even remotely be opening their mouths. We haven’t been any good in decades and never ever made it to a Super Bowl. Pull your head out of the Kosar, Byner, Jim Brown, Marion Motley rabbit hole. People look at Mike Holmgren as a savior, yet we WASTED another year keeping Eric Mangini around. Why. If he was that smart he would have canned him when he came in. Holmgren never reached a Super Bowl while a head coach/GM in Seattle. Cleveland fans have never made “Super Bowl” plans so shut up and stop bringing up teams that played before most of you were even born.
    The NFL is a “what have you done for me lately” sport.
    Don’t believe me… ask a Dallas Cowboys fan.

  39. randysavage4ever says: Jul 3, 2011 3:50 PM

    benlw2 says: Jul 3, 2011 2:59 PM

    There are 10 teams that have been to the Super Bowl (in years shown) and lost each time:
    Minnesota Vikings (0-4) 1970, 1974, 1975, 1977
    Buffalo Bills (0-4) consecutively 1991-1994
    Cincinnati Bengals (0-2) 1982, 1989
    Philadelphia Eagles (0-2) 1981, 2005
    San Diego Chargers (0-1) 1995
    Atlanta Falcons (0-1) 1999
    Tennessee Titans (0-1) 2000
    Carolina Panthers (0-1) 2004
    Seattle Seahawks (0-1) 2006
    Arizona Cardinals (0-1) 2009

    There are 4 Teams that have never played in a Super Bowl :
    Cleveland Browns (new Browns)
    Detroit Lions
    Houston Texans
    Jacksonville Jaguars

    So like the Patriots, Bucs and Saints until they started winning consistently, the Bengals public perception is tossed about as truth. The Bengals are far from the worst franchise in sports.

    ________________

    abs right, men lie, women lie, #’s dont,

    how could you be the worse with 2 title game appearances? Playing also Joe Montana in the big one.

    For whatever reason, whether it was Ki-Jana Carter or whoever, they still are relevant and have loyal fans. The Bengals name gets talked about a lot, good or bad, its pub, and they are relevant, they cant be the worst.

  40. 504in860 says: Jul 3, 2011 4:06 PM

    benlw2 says: Jul 3, 2011 2:59 PM

    There are 4 Teams that have never played in a Super Bowl :
    Cleveland Browns (new Browns)
    —————————————————–

    Well, the old Browns never played in a Super Bowl either lol.

    In addition, Cleveland is the only NFL city that has never played in, won or hosted a Super Bowl. Every other NFL city has done at least 1 of those.

    I see why they’re piling on Cincinnati now…trying to makes themselves look better.

  41. dfed4192 says: Jul 3, 2011 4:57 PM

    Um toolofatool? Holmgren did reach Super Bowl with Seattle u dope!!!!!! Your entire post is the worst post that was posted today., how it feel to be a Bengal???? Um, How many Championships The Bungels have? How many Hall of Fame players??? Go look at the Lions and Browns Hall of Fame players and League championships… U clueless 20 something twits are so clueless talking NFL history!!!! Hilarious!!!!!!

  42. commentcentral says: Jul 3, 2011 5:22 PM

    yeah, that’s probably why 10th round pick Tim Krumrie made him look stupid when they first came to camp.

  43. schoolyardblitz says: Jul 3, 2011 5:59 PM

    I don’t really think you judge a franchise by whether they got to super bowl once or twice in their entire histoy. You have to look at the whole picture. cincy has always been know as cheap, cut corners type of franchise run similarly to the Indians franchise in Major League. The only franchise I can think of in football that comes close is the Chicago/St. Louis/Arizona Cardinals. They just have a losing atmosphere. Even the year Warner saved them they were only 9-7 (in the weakest division in football). But it’s not just wins/loses…it’s the atmosphere and sense of effort/competency coming down from the front office to the coaches to the players.
    Funny how both Cincy andAriz have one thing in common. An ownership group that derives all their income from the team…not selfmade millionaires/billionaires like others. In fact the current owners of those two inherited their teams and have clearly, year in and year out, put financial bottomline over winning. They refuse to make the effort to be a consistent winner and fans and players of those teams have suffered accordingly.

  44. dannymac17 says: Jul 3, 2011 6:08 PM

    lol @ the guy comparing the browns and the bengals.

    its like comparing brown dog feces to off-colored grey feces

  45. schnalls says: Jul 3, 2011 6:18 PM

    Rimington had one of the best o-line coaches of all time, and was beat out by a high draft pick out of Holy Cross, Bruce Kozerski. It proves that it doesn’t matter how great of a college player you are or where you went, the pro grame is different. Plus, when Rimington played, the Bengals were a high calibre team, always fighting for first place and/or the playoffs. Once PB passed away, the team has gone through a done stretch, no doubt about that. Boomer complained about the team, but I’m sure he was happy in the end to have Kozerski, not Rimington, under center.

  46. schnalls says: Jul 3, 2011 6:20 PM

    …Kozerski was actually a “low” pick…

  47. hitdog042 says: Jul 3, 2011 6:58 PM

    Great investigating 2 players who played over 20 years ago and Chad who isn’t happy unless he gets 30 balls thrown his way.

    Solid.

    Where’s the article on all the ex browns lashing out on Cleveland. Staph gate.

    Bengals are an easy target. But every team has guys who hated it there. Every single one. You uncovered 2 since the 1980s.

    Again….solid work.

  48. rajbais says: Jul 3, 2011 9:03 PM

    A “junior high” weight room with no weight lifting allowed? That’s funny!!!

    That shows you that spending to create great commitment matters!!! I’m sorry, but if you upgrade facilities to create an open and spacious environment workers can do more!!!

    To say that athletic facilities and amenities don’t matter is disingenuous on the public’s part. The public let’s it’s kids have renovated public schools because the current appearances are ugly or are able to look better; but those opposed usually regard athletes worse than lab rats!!!

  49. chobes68 says: Jul 3, 2011 9:06 PM

    “stixzidinia says:
    Jul 3, 2011 9:36 AM
    LOL at Bungles fans. Supporting a struggling organization you know to be poorly run is not an act of admirable loyalty, but rather, one of stupidity. It’s no different than choosing to buy products from a company with a poor track record for quality.”

    ===========

    And then there are people like you who probably change teams each year, depending on which team wins the SB. I give props to anyone who is loyal to their team. While front runners, probably didn’t get enough love from mommy and daddy. Finally, if you read the article, comprehension is a skill, Rimington refers to how the organization is run, NOT the success/or lack of success. Also, lets not forget he was a roid head, whose teams used to beat on such powerhouses such as Iowa State, and didn’t like a level playing field.

  50. chobes68 says: Jul 3, 2011 9:08 PM

    Who cares if you made it to the SB, that means nothing. Also, there was football before the SB. Some people tend to forget that.

  51. hikohadon says: Jul 3, 2011 9:10 PM

    “Mike Took the Bengals over in 1991: he has had two winnning seasons in that time. Lerner took over the Browns in 1994, he has had one winning season in that time. ”

    Since the return in 1999, the Browns have had 2 winning seasons (2002 & 2007).

    Yes, hardly something to brag about, but just correcting the assertion.

  52. endzonezombie says: Jul 3, 2011 10:15 PM

    “I happen to follow the Bengals because Cincy was the first American city I visited, and I’ll bet most Bengal fans have heritage from Southern Ohio or Kentucky. Mike Browns ownership is temporary; following your team is for life.”

    “Of all the dumba$$ comments I’ve read on this site, this one takes the biscuit.”

    @ londonbengal: I gotta say that your loyalty to the Bengals ( or any team) seems pretty dumba$$ to me based merely upon a ‘visit’. If you know anything about American pro football, you should know that most teams are owned by families ( not corporations), and usually passed down within the family. The Browns’ family ownership is not temporary, and Bengal fans know that mismanagement is something they are likely to endure for a long, long time.

  53. usmutts says: Jul 3, 2011 11:44 PM

    It’s great for any team to have loyal fans who root and cheer for their favorite club even during the years that turn into decades when the team can’t seem to stop losing.

    With one exception.

    Nobody should be caught red-handed in public cheering for a team that wears stripety orange and black cat helmets with jersies and pants that look like a child’s halloween costume.

    Fix the uni’s and the world awaits.

  54. londonbengal says: Jul 4, 2011 11:21 AM

    @ ‘endzonezombie’…..

    My man, you don’t know squat about me, nor would I expect you to.

    FYI, I’ve followed the sport for three decades, and played and coached the game at amatuer level here in the UK. I followed the NFL when the best coverege you could get over here was a dodgy ‘Armed Forces Network’ radio signal with Jack Ham and Hank Stram on a Sunday night.

    I come over to the states whenever I can afford it, and try and work my visit around a east coast Bengals game.

    Call me a dumba$$, but there it is.

    Over the last 30 years I’ve been to all 50 US states, and seen games in every NFL city and stadium, except Milwaukee and at the new stadiums in Dallas, Houston and Indy. I doubt many Americans have done that, let alone an Englishman.

    I first started to get really interested in the Bengals when a little guy who was the same size as me (James Brooks) was runnin’ it all over people twice his size, with ‘wicky wacky’ Wyche calling the plays.

    Oh; and by the way; this dumba$$ was also driving south down I-55 towards New Orleans volunteering help in the post-Katrina effort in Louisiana, when most folks were driving out, or sat on their cans at home watching it on TV.

    Call me a dumba$$, but there it is.

    ‘endzonezombie’…..I wouldn’t dream of questionning another persons motives for following a team; or calling them out; without knowing a little more about them first.

  55. londonbengal says: Jul 4, 2011 11:29 AM

    OBTW…I forgot to say….happy independence day America……..

  56. bereado says: Jul 4, 2011 12:10 PM

    hicohaden:

    Sorry, I meant 2004, not 1994… at my age, the decades start getting lumped together:)

    Randy enjoyed one winning season: 2007, since taking over for his late father. Mike Brown did take over for his late father in 1991.

    Nothing to brag over is right: one winning season and 6 double digit losing seasons.

    But when you consider that the Bungles did not have a single winning season in Brown’s first 14 seasons as owner, it is not hard to understand why the bengals have easily distinguished themselves from the rest of the pack when it comes to horrible franchises.

    The Bengals are being run by a glorified car salesman who lacks the capitol to compete in today’s NFL. The only reason he owns a NFL franchise is that his Father had just enough money to buy a AFL team and lucked out during the meger.

    For the cheapness and lack of resources Brown has, I feel a hell of a lot better about Randy Lerner owning the Browns then I do about Mike Brown owning the Bungles.

  57. davoider says: Jul 8, 2011 10:56 AM

    bereado, you make it pretty obvious how little you know about the Bengals, but I will save us all the trouble of pointing out most of the details. If your going to try to point out statistics, you should try and make sure you have at least a partial idea what your talking about.

    Arguing the Browns are better than the Bengals based on their pre-move/expansion team record/pre-merger championships is like saying you would rather have a 1903 Model T than a 2011 Bentley because it was more valuable in its day. The fact is, the modern NFL is a what have you done for me lately league, and in the time frame that has any relevance to today (You know as in still has some of the same people involved.. Or in your case still alive)

    For example, in the last 8 years the Browns have 7 losing records all containing double digit losses. Over the same time frame, the Bengals have 3 losing seasons, 2 with double digit losses. The fact that so many of you hold on to occurrences several decades in the past shows just how futile your franchise truly has become. In the modern time frame, the Browns are the laughing stock of the NFL.

    The Bengals may be far from great and be known for underachieving, but at least 7-9 is not considered an accomplishment for them as it would be for the AFC North’s very own bottom feeder. Until you have something to talk about post-merger, you might as well stick to your fan bases standard, uneducated response of pretending to be a dog. I mean, it couldn’t make you look any worse.

  58. beelicker says: Aug 5, 2011 1:35 PM

    Not to mention, what’s the current all time franchise head-to-head record?

    Bengals 39 Browns 36

    How many times have each played in the Superbowl during this period of coexistence?

    Bengals 2 Browns 0

    How many times have either been a struggling expansion team?

    Bengals 1, Browns 1

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