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A.J. Smith still salty about Eli Manning

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Eli Manning may have the Super Bowl ring, but the Chargers got the better quarterback in their 2004 draft day trade for Philip Rivers. They also got kicker Nate Kaeding and linebacker Shawne Merriman in the deal.

Despite all that, plenty of Chargers fans still have animosity towards Manning for forcing his way out of town. It sounds like Chargers G.M. A.J. Smith does as well.

“He was a Charger for 45 minutes,” Smith told the Sporting News “and that was too much time to be a Charger, in my opinion.”

It’s not that Smith regrets the move.  But he clearly still doesn’t like how the situation was handled, even if it worked in his favor.

“He was a value pick,” Smith said about Manning. “He was a bar of gold.”

Smith turned that bar into a nice package of players, but that wouldn’t have mattered unless Rivers turned into one of the best quarterbacks of the league.  We’d put him at the top of the list of best active quarterbacks without a title.

“I believe with my heart and soul that he one day will lead the Chargers to a world championship,” Smith said. “He’s a great quarterback—a phenomenal leader with great character, great work habits.”

We agree. Put Rivers on the ’07 Giants and he wins a title.  Put him on the Steelers since 2004 and he’d have at least one title too.

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  1. shawon0meter says: Jul 4, 2011 9:38 AM

    Put him on the 2009 Vikings and he’d have one too because he wouldn’t throw cross body with the game on the line. ROFL!

  2. blarch says: Jul 4, 2011 9:40 AM

    Yes, someday, when the Bolts get rid of their vindictive and spiteful control freak of a GM, Rivers will lead them to a title.

  3. tfbuckfutter says: Jul 4, 2011 9:41 AM

    So officially, on April 24, 2004, the Chargers at some point had Drew Brees, Eli Manning and Philip Rivers as QBs…..

    And the only one they kept is the only one who hasn’t won a Super Bowl.

    Kind of interesting.

  4. CKL says: Jul 4, 2011 9:48 AM

    Gotta love a grown man spewing venom like this in the media. I am so glad he isn’t the GM of the team I root for.
    GROW UP, AJ…leave the smacktalk for your players.

  5. blitz87 says: Jul 4, 2011 9:53 AM

    Could’ve, should’ve, would’ve…

    The Chargers have been among the most talented teams in the league and Rivers has zero Super Bowl rings. He’s never even BEEN to a Super Bowl. Obviously it doesn’t all fall on his shoulders but it’s a fact.

    “Put Rivers on the ’07 Giants and he wins a title.”

    Say what you will about Eli, but he played great that postseason. They also upset the “almighty” Patriots – a team Rivers’ Chargers lost to in the postseason.

  6. nahcouldntbethat says: Jul 4, 2011 9:54 AM

    How does A.J. Smith still have a job? The Chargers have had as much talent as anybody in the NFL over the last 5 years and they can’t get over the hump and win a Super Bowl.

    I’d say there was a time when you had to do more than accumulate a great roster in order to keep your job as an NFL GM but really nobody else has been this inept at closing the deal after they put the team together.

    The last guy who put together this much talent and couldn’t close the deal was Bill Polian in Buffalo and he was fired after the Bills lost their 4th straight Super Bowl in 1993.

    A.J. Smith should be history in San Diego at this point. He isn’t getting the job done. It doesn’t matter how much talent he puts on the field if they can’t get it together and win a Super Bowl.

  7. bigsuede says: Jul 4, 2011 10:16 AM

    I really don’t believe if philip rivers was on the steelers or giants he would have won. Please- don’t forget the giants and Eli especially had to play out of his mind to beat the patriots. He is clutch. The difference in their season numbers can be attributed to the chargers playing in the weakest nfl division while the Giants play the toughest.

    The San Diego Chargers have been a great team while rivers has been there- I would argue better than the giants- and they underperform! Rivers doesn’t play big in big games.

    This is sour grapes for AJ Smith. I bet you when he is all alone late at night- he thinks he could have won super bowls with manning if only he would have stayed.

  8. istateyourname says: Jul 4, 2011 10:21 AM

    Put Rivers on the ’07 Giants and he wins a title.

    Put him on salty AJ’s team and he wins nothing.

  9. east96st says: Jul 4, 2011 10:27 AM

    Only the most deluded Giants fans won’t acknowledge that San Diego got the better of the deal. You don’t send that many draft picks to a team that had NO chance of ever signing Manning. Bar of gold? More like lead anchor around AJ’s throat! Manning would not have signed and the Chargers would have their second first round QB draft pick disaster on their hands. AJ was holding a pair of fours and Accorsi treated him like he had a full house. So, congrats, AJ, you suckered a guy that is no longer in the league and got draft picks you never should have. You’ve done what with that? Where is the Lombardi? Where is even a Super Bowl appearance? For such an angry, bitter man, do you really have anyone to blame but yourself for the fact that your team has continuously under performed when it counts most? Not surprising Manning had no desire to play for San Diego. I bet the fact that you were running the show was reason #1 thru #100 why he wanted no part of your team. You have shown again and again, you’re the biggest douche in the NFL. I suspect the San Diego trophy case wouldn’t be so empty if you were shown the door years ago. We’ve all had assclowns as bosses. Nobody really performs their best when the guy at the top is an ass.

  10. whateverman4 says: Jul 4, 2011 10:33 AM

    Yeah, put Rivers on the 07 Giants and he wins a title. I’ve heard that. Too bad Eli had pretty much the best postseason of any quarterback that year, statisically and results wise. Eli wasn’t carried. SD had the 5th best defense, points per game wise, while NY had the 17th best (aka average).

    Too bad the Giants were definitely not considered the best team, or even close to favorites that year. Ben’s Steelers always have a great defense, the better argument for sure would be to say that Rivers, or other talented QBs, could have won a ring on his teams.

    But still, the Chargers were 14-2 and lost to the Jets. The Chargers have been loaded, moreso than the Giants or Steelers and lost time after time in the playoffs. The only thing that makes people think the Chargers are better than they are is that they somehow have the Colts number. If they don’t play the Colts a few times they’d probably have zero postseason wins during Rivers time.

    The Steelers got to play the Seahawks and the Cardinals in the SB. The Giants had to beat the 18-0 Patriots with the best offense ever. And the Giants weren’t the 85 Bears. Rivers would not have won a title on the 07 Giants, sorry man.

    The bigger hypotheticals should be to put random titleless QBs on those loaded Charger teams and lets speculate how many titles they could have won.

    And yeah AJ is a child.

  11. udllama says: Jul 4, 2011 10:34 AM

    Nahcouldntbethat— I think you explain perfectly why A.J. Smith still has a job. “The Chargers have had as much talent as anyone over the last 5 years.”

    Isn’t that the entire job of a GM, to field a talented roster. I’m no giant fan of the man, but if you freely admit he has put together an extremely talented roster, than it seems that perhaps the coach should be gone, not the GM. Even if he is an A-hole.

  12. lennydpocketqb says: Jul 4, 2011 10:37 AM

    Smith… Be as angry as uou want, you need to understand that you are the sole reason Eli & Drew are champions. Let your anger go. Of the 3 QB’s you picked the modern day Dan Fouts. Not a bad choice but not a champion choice. Football isn’t for everyone. Please stop torturing the good people of San Diego.

  13. billygoat says: Jul 4, 2011 10:38 AM

    I think they would have won a superbowl if they would have kept Brees.

  14. denverdude7 says: Jul 4, 2011 10:39 AM

    Truth is the Bolts had a great QB in Brees and most likely gave away at least one Superbowl ring by using their draft pick to select Manning and then making the trade to get Rivers.

    Brees knew their system and a stud player taken instead of Manning near the very top of that draft may have given them enough to get over the top and win the whole thing. Rivers was pretty decent as a rookie but made enough mistakes to cost them.

    AJ outsmarted himself and upset the apple cart when he didn’t have to. Thus making the Bolts the best team to never win a thing. I, for love it !!! GO BRONCOS.

  15. middletownmdman says: Jul 4, 2011 10:47 AM

    LOL Don’t be bitter AJ!!!!

    Go big blue!!!

  16. nfl fan says: Jul 4, 2011 10:49 AM

    Say what you want about Eli, but he’s won a SuperBowl title while Rivers has yet to win a playoff game.

    Who really got the better end of that trade Charger fans if it’s all about winning the Lombardi trophy?

    Giant fans thank you A.J, couldn’t have won it without you!

  17. jeremyb91 says: Jul 4, 2011 10:53 AM

    Rivers on the ’07 Giants team and he wins a title?
    Rivers like other great SD Chargers chokes when it matters most. Look at his playoff losses and he tosses 2 INT’s against the Jets in ’09 and another 2 INT’s against the Patriots in ’07.

    Rivers is going to end up like Dan Fouts. However unlike Fouts, Rivers has had better defenses. A Charger who never made it to the Super Bowl despite having the weapons around him?

    Yes, I’d still take Manning over Rivers.

    How about Manning on that ’07 Chargers team with LT, Gates, and a bad-ass defense? I think they would’ve beat the Patriots to get against the NFC’s best because it wouldn’t have been the Giants with Rivers at the helm.

  18. gcsuk says: Jul 4, 2011 10:54 AM

    “He was a Charger for 45 minutes,” Smith told the Sporting News “and that was too much time to be a Charger, in my opinion.”

    Is being the QB for the Chargers THAT MUCH of a status symbol? Is this a team with that much of a storied NFL history? Sure, they have had some great HOF players, but what have they won?

    He was a Charger for 45 minutes, and now he is a SB Champion and MVP forever. Somehow, I think Eli is very content with that trade-off.

    Try not to choke on those sour grapes, AJ.

  19. backindasaddle says: Jul 4, 2011 11:12 AM

    Who can blame him for having animosity towards Manning. What Manning did (with his daddy leading him around by the nose) was totally dumped on the Chargers and the city of San Diego. It was a blatant slap in the face and as big a snub as will ever be seen in the sports world. AJ Smith’s only mistake was letting Brees go. He’s the best QB of the 3 and absolutely head and shoulders better than Eli Manning.

    That whole Manning snub thing was ugly to watch and I don’t blame Smith, the Chargers, or the city of San Diego if they hold the Mannings in low regard. They deserve it for what they did.

  20. 44kyle says: Jul 4, 2011 11:29 AM

    Would of, could of.

  21. nygf says: Jul 4, 2011 11:31 AM

    Let me get this straight; plenty of people try to belittle Eli’s Super Bowl ring because he played on a strong team (as Rosenthal does here) but then again the excuse for Rivers not winning one yet is that it’s ok because his teams haven’t beens strong enough? Sounds really fair.

  22. firerosenthalthebastard says: Jul 4, 2011 11:33 AM

    hahaha Rivers has great character? News to me.

  23. sharkcatcher says: Jul 4, 2011 11:39 AM

    The Chargers would have.multiple championships if they had showed a bit of loyalty and kept the heart and soul of that team——coach Marty Shotenheimer. That team loved him and they played hard for him. instead, they listen to the stupid media about Marty not being able to win in the playoffs.(which he hadn’t) but I felt he was in the brink of starting a dynasty. Top it all off with- this statement coming froa Raider fan!

  24. paulieorkid says: Jul 4, 2011 11:57 AM

    Whose overall outlook on life is filled with less joy?

    A.J. Smith at any given moment of his waking life -or- a man being fed feet first into a wood chipper?

    Tough question. Really, it is.

  25. pixelito says: Jul 4, 2011 11:59 AM

    I give AJ credit for not jumping off a building after Superbowl 42.

  26. wferg1121 says: Jul 4, 2011 12:02 PM

    “We agree. Put Rivers on the ’07 Giants and he wins a title. Put him on the Steelers since 2004 and he’d have at least one title too” You can’t say that, because that means the Giants still have their picks, and would change practically every pick in the draft and needs for the drafts after that. The Giants might not have the same players they had in 07.. Also like someone posted before, the only relevant team in the afc west during that period was the chargers. Eli plays in the toughest division and plays in crappy weather, he doesnt play in sunshine or a dome. People credit the defense in 07 they gave up practically 20 points a game in the playoffs. Stupid comments like that is why Eli is very underrated. In 2004 when Warner was QB that NYG great offensive line was #1 in sacks given up, then Eli started and they dropped to the middle of the pack by the end of the year. Giants have been in the top 10 in dropped passes his entire career, and were # 1 in 07, #8 in 2010 out of 32 teams. The receivers are not helping him. Charley Casserly says he would take Eli over Rivers, Mcnabb, Vick, Flacco, and Sanchez.. I will take his word for it, and that is probably why AJ is still “Salty.”

  27. arbiterflick says: Jul 4, 2011 12:06 PM

    Look, if you really want proof that Rivers is the better QB, just watch a damn football game. Spin the numbers any way you want, but if you watch the two of them play, there’s no question who’s better.

    The Brees thing is altogether different. Remember, he’d had a couple of not so strong seasons. The Chargers, knowing they’d have to pay him a sizable contract in a few years drafted a QB to groom as a replacement. This would have all been fine, except that following 2004, Brees improved dramatically, leaving the Chargers with a tough decision. Who knows what would have happened if he hadn’t injured his shoulder, but remember, his injury was supposedly so sever that ONLY the Saints were willing to take a chance on them – AJ didn’t exactly drop the ball here, he took the safe option. As for the Saints – their gamble paid off and they got a heck of a player, and a subsequent SB win, congrats to them.

    One last thing that’s always overlooked though. Brees has been a dramatically better player in New Orleans than he was in San Diego. Sure, most of that is to do with the system and the coaching, but even on a purely physical level, go back and watch film of him playing in San Diego – he just didn’t throw the ball with as much accuracy and zip as he does now. Truth be told, I think that injury and the following rehabbing process forced him to work harder than he ever had to before (and he was no slouch to begin with), making him the player he is today.

  28. SpartaChris says: Jul 4, 2011 12:37 PM

    Just wanted to point out that while Eli may have dumped on the Chargers, the Chargers have served the Manning family with more than a fair share of revenge with every playoff exit they hand to the Colts and big brother Peyton.

  29. CKL says: Jul 4, 2011 12:48 PM

    nfl fan says:
    Jul 4, 2011 10:49 AM
    “….while Rivers has yet to win a playoff game.
    ———————————————————
    Are you sure about that one? If you are sure of it, you shouldn’t be because you are wr…wro…mistaken.
    They have 3 playoff wins with PR as QB.

  30. bluefan204 says: Jul 4, 2011 12:58 PM

    AJ wanted stats instead of hardware. He wanted a loudmouthed punk who chokes under pressure, and he got one. He wanted a ‘roid abuser, and he got one. He wanted a choking kicker, and he got one. Meanwhile, the Giants have a Super Bowl ring and a Super Bowl MVP who toppled an undefeated team to get there.

    Yeah….if I were AJ, I’d still me mad too. He got what he wanted, and probably what he deserved.

  31. anjel3k says: Jul 4, 2011 1:02 PM

    Rivers would have won if he played for the 07 Giants…. WOW, that has to be one of the dumbest statements i think I’ve ever read on pft. I mean really? “CHARLES BARKLEY WOULD HAVE A RING IF HE PLAYED WITH THE BULLS WHEN JORDAN WAS THERE!” I mean that’s how stupid your comment is Greg. Eli is the most disrespected player in all sports. This further proves it… He had an OUTSTANDING post-season, lit up the Pats WEEK 17, and made the most dramatic play, and biggest upset in SUPER BOWL history. But like always, give all the glory to Rivers and Big Ben, I’ll take Eli and the biggest upset of all time ANYDAY… SMITH may have gotten a better QB, but we got a WINNER and history made, SO THANKS AJ!!! How’s Merriman doing once he got off the roids??? Lol, all those picks we gave away and yet WE ARE STILL YOUNG AND VERY TALENTED. Eli DESTROYED THE PATS DYNASTY!!!!!!

  32. tamonty67 says: Jul 4, 2011 1:10 PM

    Ok , I have to chime in. Everyone who has the idiotic opinion that AJ should be fired because they had “the best talent” and could not win should remember that the GM’s job is to get the talent. not coach it or call plays. You are actually making the argument FOR AJ. Net net, Turner and the coaching staff have under achieved…not AJ.

  33. bigbluefan1 says: Jul 4, 2011 1:17 PM

    Yeah right

    Guess what Eli has the ring and the chargers do not even know where they will be playing

    Guess the boys from Miss made the right choice not playing for the Whine and chess crowd

    Screw the chargers

  34. east96st says: Jul 4, 2011 1:31 PM

    backindasaddle says: “That whole Manning snub thing was ugly to watch and I don’t blame Smith, the Chargers, or the city of San Diego if they hold the Mannings in low regard. They deserve it for what they did.”

    What did they do to the city? They told the Chargers PRIVATELY that Eli didn’t want to play for them. Smith made it public, not the Mannings. Which shows what a hypocrite the guy is because if he TRULY believed that Rivers was the superior QB, he would have drafted him number one and told the world “I think he’s the best QB in the draft!”. Smith was afraid that Manning would be a superstar and Smith would be humiliated so he made private comments public to cover his own ass. No one but the Chargers and the Mannings needed to know what was going on if Smith didn’t want them to. If you want to be all butt hurt that Eli “snubbed” San Diego despite the fact the guy has stated about 10,000 times he had NO issue with San Diego the city, just with the Chargers organization, go ahead. It accomplishes nothing and it’s not an accurate refection of what happened.

  35. panamon says: Jul 4, 2011 1:35 PM

    This article couldn’t be more wrong, you’re taking his words out of context and twisting them to insult him. AJ Smith has said that draft is one of the things he’s most proud of as a GM, being #1 and having the #1 guy not want to go there.

    Where in the world does he say he didn’t like how the situation was handled? Maybe if you read the paragraph before the sentence you’re somehow twisting you’d realize how little sense you make:

    Before the ’04 draft, Manning threatened to sit out the season and come back in the ’05 draft if the Chargers selected him. That stance didn’t intimidate Smith, who said he would do what was in the best interests of the Chargers. Smith also did some predraft investigating and discovered that the Giants wanted Manning.

    “He was a value pick,” Smith said of Manning. “He was a bar of gold.”

    What in the world did he not like about what happened? As a matter of fact he probably enjoyed picking Eli and having him not be happy, his offhand comment about 45 minutes being too much means nothing close to what you’re supposing it does.

  36. sonofsamiam says: Jul 4, 2011 1:47 PM

    Best QB to not win a title? Get real. I’d take Michael Vick or Matt Ryan over Rivers every day and twice on Sunday. Some guys just don’t have what it takes to get it done in the postseason.

  37. jermely says: Jul 4, 2011 2:06 PM

    “He was a Charger for 45 minutes,” Smith told the Sporting News “and that was too much time to be a Charger, in my opinion.”

    It’s too much time for anyone to be a Charger. After five minutes it must be unbearable.

  38. panamon says: Jul 4, 2011 2:07 PM

    “Best QB to not win a title? Get real. I’d take Michael Vick or Matt Ryan over Rivers every day and twice on Sunday. Some guys just don’t have what it takes to get it done in the postseason.”

    That’s weird because Rivers has playoff wins and Matt Ryan has none. In fact the Falcons lost by far more than these Chargers have in the playoffs, Rivers at least keeps it competitive.

  39. dannymac17 says: Jul 4, 2011 2:07 PM

    “Put Rivers on the ’07 Giants and he wins a title.”

    Say what you will about Eli, but he played great that postseason. They also upset the “almighty” Patriots – a team Rivers’ Chargers lost to in the postseason.

    ——————————

    OH YEA. you mean, the game where Rivers played on an ACL and MCL. He doest tear that, he takes the Bolts to the Superbowl. That game was the beginning of the end for the Pats, and everyone knows it.

  40. bwisnasky says: Jul 4, 2011 2:09 PM

    How about the QB with the most talent around him not to win a title? And as long as AJ continues to defend his decision to get rid of Marty by sticking with Norvel, that trend will continue. As a Raider fan, I love it…

  41. realfootballfan says: Jul 4, 2011 2:18 PM

    I love the assumption that Rivers would have definitely won a Super Bowl by now with the Steelers or Giants, lol. Am I wrong, but weren’t we just told for 5 or 6 straight years that the Chargers had the best roster in football, in addition to playing in one of the weakest divisions in football?

    I’ve stated this opinion on numerous occasions, to project anyone’s effectiveness in New York because of both the unrivaled media attention and the weather that a QB plays in the second half of the season, especially considering that Rivers plays in the most perfect conditions outside of a dome, is kind of absurd.

    And don’t even get me started on how much better Roethlisberger is than Rivers. Rivers had a great defense, arguably a better defense than Ben had for much of the stretch where he won 2 and lost another.

    It’s not his fault that he doesn’t have an egotistcal maniac as his personnel man and a bumbling idiot at coach. The fact that Smith opted to go with Norv Turner in lieu of hiring Rex Ryan back in ’07 tells you all that you need to know about why their window slammed shut when they lost yet another home playoff game against the Jets after last season in the playoffs.

  42. realfootballfan says: Jul 4, 2011 2:24 PM

    Oh, and one more point. Having the best RB in football for 3 of those years and the best receiving threat (Antonio Gates) that any of those guys throw to didn’t hurt Rivers cause either. I hate to call anyone a choke artist, but if you were looking for the prime example, his picture would be in the dictionary.

  43. rraider says: Jul 4, 2011 2:25 PM

    Rosenthal your not really going to play the would’ve\could’ve game with these QB’s are you? Both have led very talented and successful teams. But Rivers has had the better situation regarding homefield in the playoffs..only to be disappointing.

    Beside if you start playing that game cant you pretty much say that any QB and the Ravens defense wins the bowl……or the Gruden Bucs …….

  44. clintonrb says: Jul 4, 2011 2:44 PM

    matt ryan is not better than rivers-sorry

  45. goforthanddie says: Jul 4, 2011 2:49 PM

    Damn dude, be pissy if you want, but after all this time keep it to yourself. Or crank call Eli in the middle of the night. Keep it out of the news.

  46. bolt4life says: Jul 4, 2011 2:51 PM

    I always love comments that are extremely uninformed. They are fun to read. Tons of them on here.

  47. robolundgren says: Jul 4, 2011 2:55 PM

    “It was a blatant slap in the face and as big a snub as will ever be seen in the sports world”

    John Elway and Lebron James agree.

  48. bucks12965 says: Jul 4, 2011 3:24 PM

    Should have gotten rid of A.J. instead of Marty.

  49. bigbluefan1 says: Jul 4, 2011 3:41 PM

    What did Easy E do he said he would not play for the Chargers so what lets act like this has never happened before.

    instead of being in a small market he plays in the Meca of Football

  50. warner2fitz says: Jul 4, 2011 3:55 PM

    Start by getting rid of Norv Turner & the Bolts chances of winning a title go up IMO!!! Something always seems 2 be missing on a Turner coached team.

  51. quarterbacksdontwinorlosesuperbowls says: Jul 4, 2011 4:23 PM

    anjel3k says

    Rivers would have won if he played for the 07 Giants…. WOW, that has to be one of the dumbest statements i think I’ve ever read on pft. I mean really? “CHARLES BARKLEY WOULD HAVE A RING IF HE PLAYED WITH THE BULLS WHEN JORDAN WAS THERE!” I mean that’s how stupid your comment is Greg. Eli is the most disrespected player in all sports. This further proves it… He had an OUTSTANDING post-season, lit up the Pats WEEK 17, and made the most dramatic play, and biggest upset in SUPER BOWL history. But like always, give all the glory to Rivers and Big Ben, I’ll take Eli and the biggest upset of all time ANYDAY… SMITH may have gotten a better QB, but we got a WINNER and history made, SO THANKS AJ!!! How’s Merriman doing once he got off the roids??? Lol, all those picks we gave away and yet WE ARE STILL YOUNG AND VERY TALENTED. Eli DESTROYED THE PATS DYNASTY!!!!!!

    ———————————————————————

    Very nicely put. And you are completely correct when you say that Eli made the most dramatic play in SB history. A lot of people dwell on the catch, however it was Manning’s ability to escape the sure sack and make an incredible throw down the middle of the field to save the game that was so historic. Eli Manning is a winner, and so many idiot fans don’t get it. Yeah, he throws a lot of picks. Get over it. He also puts up points and plays big when it matters most.

  52. joetoronto says: Jul 4, 2011 4:52 PM

    Coulda.woulda, shoulda.

    The story of the San Diego Chargers & their empty trophy case.

  53. bluefan204 says: Jul 4, 2011 4:52 PM

    bolt4life says: Jul 4, 2011 2:51 PM

    I always love comments that are extremely uninformed. They are fun to read. Tons of them on here.

    Extremely uninformed? How hard do you think it is to get informed about Rivers and the Chargers? All we have to do is check stats, and with the ease of the internet, it takes about 5 seconds. The results are always the same: All stats, no rings. It doesn’t get any more cut and dry than that, sport. Rivers has played in the absolute worst division in football for his entire career, does so in perfect weather conditions 90% of the time, and has had, for several years anyway, the best RB and TE in the NFL to help him, not to mention an extremely good defense.

    How much more informed do you think we can all get? Those are all the facts we need to build a case as to why the Chargers are a joke of a franchise, and why Rivers, no matter how pretty his stats are, is never going to get it done.

  54. siggy00 says: Jul 4, 2011 4:53 PM

    “Put him on the Steelers since 2004 and he’d have at least one title too”

    Did the Steelers move to the AFC West and San Diego?

    Rivers’ pop gun arm would be destroyed in Pittsburgh’s cold weather. He’s 0-3 in his career in Pittsburgh and two of them were in bad weather, one when he scored 10 points, and the other he did nothing for three quarters and got stats in scrap time.

    He’s not that good. Being a big mouth in a bad division doesn’t make you elite.

  55. jcdavey2011 says: Jul 4, 2011 7:30 PM

    i’m a charger fan, and i agree , PR on other teams would have been a champ by now, i’ve seen enough of fouts and rivers play in sd to know we’ve got one of those cursed cities, like what the cubs go through every decade or so

    that said, hopefully something can break that curse one of these days (red sox were able to break theirs!)

    anyway…eli gets crapped on for that superbowl mvp, and people always say “eh the defense won them that game” but i think eli rightfully won the sb mvp, i mean, he threw 2 tds, and his only int was a solid pass to steve smith, that steve smith misplayed into the hands of ellis hobbs.

    Eli manning in his superbowl, was 11 of 14 on 3rd down pass plays….that’s AMAZING…..

    so yeah, i think eli was a dick in 2004, but he earned that superbowl mvp, hope my boy rivers overcomes the curse of sd sports franchises to get his team a lombardi one day!

  56. granadafan says: Jul 4, 2011 7:32 PM

    Any rookie who starts dictating terms to teams is a punk who deserves the scorn.

  57. freedomispopular says: Jul 4, 2011 8:20 PM

    Let’s not forget that Brees had a torn up shoulder when the Chargers let him go.

  58. msalvash says: Jul 4, 2011 8:31 PM

    looks like eli was smart not to go to S.D. he won a super bowl…to me he looks like a genius….though i’m sure S.D. fans would disagree

  59. jcdavey2011 says: Jul 4, 2011 9:49 PM

    hey i agree, it worked out for eli

    i think it was a dick move, but what he and elway did, by dictating where they wanted to play, has worked for them

    still doesn’t mean it wasn’t a dick move, because it was

    aside from that one dick move, i haven’t seen anything out of eli that would make me call him a punk after that.

    i’ve actually seen peyton act like more of a punk towards his own teammates than eli has since being in the nfl.

  60. tedknight40 says: Jul 4, 2011 11:15 PM

    Head to Head games:

    Philip Rivers – 2

    Eli Manning – 0

  61. pettergriffen says: Jul 4, 2011 11:26 PM

    freedomispopular says:
    Jul 4, 2011 8:20 PM
    Let’s not forget that Brees had a torn up shoulder when the Chargers let him go.

    _____________________________

    you mean when they dumped him. awesome loyalty.

  62. ggbblue says: Jul 5, 2011 12:17 AM

    “We agree. Put Rivers on the ’07 Giants and he wins a title.  Put him on the Steelers since 2004 and he’d have at least one title too.”

    Rosenthal, you are out of your mind with that simplistic statement. The ’07 Giants were a WILDCARD team. Manning led an offense with rookies at running back, tight end and receiver (Steve Smith) who missed most of the year. He rarely practiced with Plaxico.

    Rivers should have won one by now. He had players like LT. He plays in a WEAK division. He plays in great weather. He has the easiest route of the incredible ’04 QB draft, but you’re trying to say that if he played in the NFC East like Manning does he’d have won one by now in place of Eli?!

    You people keep cutting Eli Manning down with empty reasons. It’s
    ignorant. Smith would not be this bitter about Eli if Eli were not a SB MVP.

  63. dirtdawg55 says: Jul 5, 2011 2:13 AM

    People want facts? Let’s start with 97 rating in the regular season when playing the Broncos, Raiders and Chiefs 6 games out of 16, but a 79 rating in the playoffs when playing against, well, good teams. Nice 3 and 4 record there as well, including 2 losses at home.

    How is that for being a great QB?

  64. burkewood says: Jul 5, 2011 6:17 AM

    Mr. Smith lost the chance of a Super Bowl when he fired Mr. Shottenheimer! Joe Montana could qb the Chargers and they would not win it. By the way Mr. Rivers is no Joe Montana.

  65. bluefan204 says: Jul 5, 2011 8:24 AM

    tedknight40 says: Jul 4, 2011 11:15 PM

    Head to Head games:

    Philip Rivers – 2

    Eli Manning – 0

    Hello, Mr Irrelevant! Where have you been hiding?

  66. bramton1 says: Jul 5, 2011 9:32 AM

    tedknight40 says: Jul 4, 2011 11:15 PM

    Head to Head games:

    Philip Rivers – 2

    Eli Manning – 0

    Unless Rivers was possessing Brees’ body in the 2005 matchup, it’s 1-0 in favor of Rivers.

  67. steelerdynasty2010 says: Jul 5, 2011 2:54 PM

    i love giant fans who claim that eli is soooo much better than ben. ben’s defense carries him, they played weak teams in the sb, blah blah blah. how many times did eli sack brady and totally confuse the offense of the patriots? am i the only one that saw asante samuels drop an easy pick that would’ve ended the drive and probably preserved a win for the pats? yes, eli made a great job extending the play (something ben does consistently, eli not so much), but even tyree has admitted that it was a lucky catch.
    he’s an average qb who plays well when it matters, just accept it. mark sanchez has been to more conference championship games than he has, and i dont think anyone here is ready to call him elite. eli doesnt survive the wildcard round with the exception of the SB season and the year they lost to the eagles in their first game.

    @ wferg1121
    “People credit the defense in 07 they gave up practically 20 points a game in the playoffs”
    speaking of stupid comments, they gave up 14, 17, and 20 points in their 3 playoff games. not sure where you learned your math, but i’m pretty sure that doesnt equate to 20 points per.

  68. jcdavey2011 says: Jul 5, 2011 8:32 PM

    yeah it’s rivers head to head 1-0

    leading a last second awesome td drive after throwing a boneheaded int

    rivers ended up being damn clutch in that win in ny, a game that could have gone either way

    the one in 2005, LT ran all over NY after a close 1st half

    LT almost ran for 200, and would have if tuck hadn’t gone terminator and ran him down , stopping LT at 192 yards (sooo close, so very close)

  69. tommyribs says: Jul 5, 2011 9:03 PM

    Hey AJ:

    Everytime you open your mouth, you validate Eli’s insistence upon not wanting to go to San Diego.

    Reminder, dumbass, he did not want to go because you had a, justifeied and deserved, reputation of being one of the biggest douche bags in the NFL.

    You had Drew Brees on your team, and you messed it up you dummy!

    And as a side-note, I have nothing against Chargers fans or Chargers players. Dan Fouts was one of my favorite players when I was growing up, and I think Don Coryell is one of the 5 greatest football minds ever.

    But AJ – you sir, are a douche!!!

  70. panamon says: Jul 6, 2011 2:10 AM

    Do you people seriously not realize AJ Smith wasn’t expressing anger at all? It’s a joke, and wouldn’t you think Eli Manning would say basically the same thing now?

    It’s so pathetic that PFT can’t summarize the article at all or the positive aspects, and instead pick out the sentence fragments that portray AJ Smith in a certain way you know the commentors will eat up. And of course Rosenthal wrote it, you could have guesses his agenda without even reading the article.

    Read this quote from AJ Smith, does it really sound like he’s mad and didn’t like the way the situation was handled:

    “How we reacted, what we did and how we did it and how we handled it is my proudest moment as a Chargers general manager — bar none,” Smith said. “It wouldn’t even be trumped if the five picks inside the third round were selected and, hypothetically, they all went to Honolulu within two years as Pro Bowlers.

    source: http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/sports/Manning-Draft-Still-Special-to-Smith-120540744.html

  71. wferg1121 says: Jul 6, 2011 8:16 AM

    steelerdynasty2010 says:
    @ wferg1121
    “People credit the defense in 07 they gave up practically 20 points a game in the playoffs”
    speaking of stupid comments, they gave up 14, 17, and 20 points in their 3 playoff games. not sure where you learned your math, but i’m pretty sure that doesnt equate to 20 points per.”

    @ steelerdynasty, couldn’t be bothered to look up the scores but since you did that averages to 17 points per game, so my math is good.
    Please take note I said “practically 20 points a game”.. Just so you know practically means, almost/nearly 20 points a game, it does not mean 20 points a game. Not sure where you learned your English, but hopefully you learned something today.

  72. steelerdynasty2010 says: Jul 6, 2011 9:44 AM

    @wferg1121
    well what i learned is that you used a gross exaggeration to bolster your point, got called out for it, and now are trying to qualify it. nice try though

  73. wferg1121 says: Jul 6, 2011 1:36 PM

    @steelerdynasty2010 lol, when I did put that statement together, I honestly thought Greenbay scored more points. I agree it is a little exaggerated, gross is a little strong. These are facts Eli led a important TD drive in the last 2 minutes at the half of the Dallas game. He had 2 4th quarter drives in Green bay including the closing minutes that resulted in missed field goals before the OT drive that resulted in the game winning field goal.

    Point is if the Steelers and Giants are on at the same time I am watching the Giants. I watched all dropped passes that happen on 3rd down, which obviously doesn’t help stat world. I watched the ball hit the WR’s right in their hands and it ending up as an INT last year. I watched Bradshaw fumble 7 times and majority are inside the 20 when we are about to score. Those are not exaggerations, most of those don’t end up in his stats. I also seen how we are down by 17 with no chance to win and Eli just throws deep hoping for a play, knowing its going to be INT but just trying to get in the game.. Now if I am just watching highlights I don’t see all of that. I do see Ben in the Highlights he is a beast no denying that, but based on what I have watched I think Eli is the deal. We have been consistently one of the top offenses in the NFL because of him. We might have a good running game, but you still have to throw to keep a team honest and he has for 3000+ yards practically every year.
    That would be like me saying Ben sucks he is only good because he has Dick Labeau, and Reshard Mendenhall. Then go on to say Pittsburg is always in the top 3 in defense, Phillip Rivers would have won just as many or more if he was Pittsburgs QB.

  74. steelerdynasty2010 says: Jul 6, 2011 11:21 PM

    @wferg1121
    “We have been consistently one of the top offenses in the NFL because of him. We might have a good running game, but you still have to throw to keep a team honest and he has for 3000+ yards practically every year.
    That would be like me saying Ben sucks he is only good because he has Dick Labeau, and Reshard Mendenhall. Then go on to say Pittsburg is always in the top 3 in defense, Phillip Rivers would have won just as many or more if he was Pittsburgs QB.”

    i was with you until this little detour. i think its rather obvious who i’m watching if both are on at the same time. your point is well taken in regards to the int’s but sadly enough, its the same for all qbs. unfortunately, wrs drop passes and/or sometimes tip them to the other team. he doesnt consistently throw that many picks so it doesnt really factor into my preference between the two (though he has had 4 seasons of 15+ ints). he just isnt exciting to me. maybe it’s my perception, but i suspect it’s why many people sell him short. it’s a consistency issue.
    now, on to your closing tangent. its well known that the run sets up the pass and vise versa, depending on your offensive philosophy. would you disagree that your team’s philosophy is to use the run to set up the pass? from what i’ve seen, they certainly dont use the pass to set up the run (not saying they dont do their fair share of passing, just my observation).
    Ben has had his fair share of 3000 yd seasons (with the exception of his first 2 years). what’s your opinion of the Giant defense during Eli’s tenure? are you trying to say that mendenhall is better than bradshaw, jacobs, and ???. has our 0-line been better than yours during his tenure?
    bottom line, its a team game, so BOTH sides of the ball matter. arguing that one side carries the other is elementary at best and an indication of ignorance at worst.

  75. wferg1121 says: Jul 7, 2011 8:53 AM

    Steelerdynasty, in terms of the defense, you can have to what you believe is a stacked players but if your coordinator stinks so do the players, end of 07 + 08 defense ridiculous, but once Spags left they were really bad in 09 practically 40 points a game. 2010 they bounced back, but again there was games they disappeared.
    Giants philosphy in 07-08 definately run to set up the pass. 09 the running game was not that good and the passing game carried them, and to be fair they were playing from behind near the end of the season so the running game dissappered. (not sure if you remember but they were calling for Jacobs head) This past year I think they liked what their young WR’s did so much from 09 it seemed like it was 50/50. However, Steve Smith missed both Eagle games, Nicks missed the last game, and our 4th, 5th, 6th, WR were IR’d, FB was IR’d, Center and guard was missing pretty much for the second half of the season.. So Eli was playing with alot of young guys, and WR that were on the street a week earlier. To me Eli doesn’t speak well during interviews, and it’s probably because he has his guard on, so I think thats why he gets a lot of slack. Ben takes a beating, that 08 offensive line was a joke, and they had no business winning the Superbowl. I think overall they stunk but they have gotten better since 08 superbowl.Pittsburg defense has been ridiculous forever thanks to Labeau… I would take him in a heartbeat. Eli better than Ben or Ben better than Eli, I don’t know. They both play in tough divisions, and both are in different systems. Ben purposely holds the ball longer and waits for the defense to get out of position and capitalize them, but as a negative he gets sacked more.. Eli tries to avoid sacks and as a result he sometimes make some “stupid” throws.. I am sure you seen them. At the same time he also gets aways with some of them “stupid” throws, but it’s because of that, that we won a Superbowl. Both guys negatives are also their positives. They are both good, I am happy with who we have, and I sure you are too.

  76. wferg1121 says: Jul 7, 2011 10:01 AM

    @isteelerdynasty2010s “its a team game, so BOTH sides of the ball matter. arguing that one side carries the other is elementary at best and an indication of ignorance at worst- I agree with that statement, but your offensive line did stink pretty bad in 08, to Ben’s credit he did carry that offense and the defense I believe was ranked 1 or 2.
    I will say this I thought the 08 Giants would have repeated if Plax didnt shoot himself, we were running and beating everyone that year.. Dropped over 200 yrds rushing on Baltimore, your (Pittsburg) offense spent more time going backwards then forward. That season still p’s me off.. We beat Baltimore, Pittsburg, and Arizona all on the road..

  77. andythesilverandblacknation says: Jul 7, 2011 5:58 PM

    Chargers will never win a Superbowl…bunch of fair weather fans with no hope!

  78. andythesilverandblacknation says: Jul 7, 2011 6:04 PM

    No Rings for the men in baby blue and yellow

  79. framefiller says: Jul 23, 2011 4:52 AM

    It would have been my fondest desire to have traded A.J. Smith with Eli Manning. The only person in the NFL who thinks that A.J. Smith is a great GM, is A.J. Smith. The man divides his team consistantly, and this why the San Diego Charger’s will never win a Super Bowl.

  80. boltwalt says: Jul 24, 2011 3:37 AM

    @bigsuede You believe the NFC East is a stronger division then the AFC West, so do I as a matter of fact. The last time the Bolts played that division (in ’09 iirc) they swept the whole division.

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