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Freeman calls for De Smith to dump his lawyers

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Over the past several weeks, we’ve posted multiple items regarding the NFL’s concerns as to the behavior and motivations of the lawyers representing the players during the ongoing labor negotiations.  The owners believe that Jeffrey Kessler and Jim Quinn want to derail the settlement process, sacrifice a full season, pursue a mammoth antitrust verdict, which when trebled (fancy talk for tripled) could exceed $12 billion, and then leverage that verdict into partial ownership of the league itself.

Few if any other organizations have shared these views, although it’s likely that plenty of others have heard the talk.  Last week, Mike Silver of Yahoo! Sports explained the league’s viewpoint.  “[O]wners continue to regard NFLPA attorneys Jeffrey Kessler and James Quinn as divisive forces intent on blowing up any prospective settlement in favor of continuing to pursue legal remedies, including the Brady v. NFL antitrust lawsuit, that could create monumental leverage for the players in the future,” Silver wrote.

Today, Mike Freeman of CBSSports.com writes that, in his opinion and based on the facts he has learned, Kessler and Quinn are indeed trying to prevent the players from working out a deal.  “Now, I have to give credit, because the only journalist in the country previously beating the Kessler/Quinn drum has been Mike Florio of Profootballtalk.com,” Freeman writes in a column couched as an open letter to NFLPA* executive director DeMaurice Smith.  “I used to think Florio was off his lawyer rocker, but he has been right all along based on interviews I’ve done with several NFLPA sources over the past few days. “

Of course, there’s still a chance that I’m off my lawyer rocker, but that I’m also still right.

“[T]hey’ve gone too far,” Freeman says of Kessler and Quinn.  “Like owners have previously, the NFLPA lawyers, I’m told, have been recently picking stupid fights over petty technical issues and arguing over who is going to pay for retiree benefits when the league has offered a fair 50-50 split.  All of these arguments have delayed the negotiating process.

“Owners believe — and I think they’re correct — the two men want to delay a settlement as long as possible so they can propel the Brady antitrust lawsuit to the brink.”

Freeman later explains, accurately by the way, that the late Gene Upshaw knew how to handle Kessler.  Upshaw would let Kessler do his thing until it approached the edge of problematic, and then Upshaw would push Kessler to the side and Upshaw would get a deal done.  (For example, whenever Kessler would argue that, absent a union, the draft violates antitrust laws, Upshaw would essentially tell Kessler to put a sock in it.)

That’s precisely what De Smith needs to do now.  Based on the positive feedback we’ve heard lately regarding the manner in which Smith has grown into the job and displayed leadership on the fly, there’s a good chance that will happen.

But if there’s any doubt, it makes sense for any players who want to do a deal and who trust De Smith to do the job for which he has been hired to make a call or send an e-mail today to their player representatives, to the NFLPA* Executive Committe, and/or to De Smith himself.  And, in fairness, it also would make sense for any players who want to skip a season and pursue a $12 billion antitrust verdict (which then would be appealed to the court that has to date upheld the lockout) to make their views known, too.

Does anyone need two guesses as which position will generate more calls and e-mails from players?

Meanwhile, feel free to express your own opinions below.

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79 Responses to “Freeman calls for De Smith to dump his lawyers”
  1. tommyf15 says: Jul 4, 2011 11:36 AM

    Then I’m calling for the owners to dump their lawyers.

    Which they will never do.

  2. nahcouldntbethat says: Jul 4, 2011 11:38 AM

    Curt Flood got screwed.

    If I was on the “get a deal done” side I’d make that point to the players. Players as a class will likely be better off the longer it takes to get a deal done as the pressure of the litigation begins to weaken the owners.

    That doesn’t mean that this group of players, not getting paid at the moment, will be better off. Many of them will likely lose income they can never recover in the process of litigating to the brink and then accepting a better CBA at the last moment.

    The other important factor is that if the litigation drags on through a lost season it may well acquire a momentum of it’s own and essentially be impossible to stop.

    The guys named in the suit share one characteristic with Flood, that they’re by and large near the end of their careers. They’ve done much better in terms of compensation however. Most of them are easily set for life financially.

    All it takes is a couple of influential guys in the group deciding to carry this through to the end and we get an anti-trust ruling against the NFL and professional sports is never the same again.

  3. skoobyfl says: Jul 4, 2011 11:43 AM

    The lawyers then get to collect a piece of the $12 Billion dollar settlement, which obviously makes them want to take this for a full ride.

  4. calvikefan1 says: Jul 4, 2011 11:46 AM

    This justifies the reason for why we hate lawyers. They suck the life out of society to line their own pockets. Much like a politician, oh wait ……….most politician’s are lawyer’s………….Happy 4th of July !

  5. hobartbaker says: Jul 4, 2011 11:55 AM

    You hardly need to be Nostradamus to come to the conclusion that lawyers would like to extend and amplify litigation. Do dogs crap on the street in places where you walk? Is that dog crap of a consistency that makes it impossible to get out of the treads on your shoes?

  6. tommyf15 says: Jul 4, 2011 12:16 PM

    @nahcouldntbethat

    Let me start by saying that anyone that reads my posts here knows I don’t exactly beat the drum for the NFL owners. However…

    I’ve never understood why the Curt Flood case has come to be lionized. While obviously I support the idea that players are not property, Flood’s argument was along the lines of “I don’t want to be traded to the Phillies, therefore I should be a free agent”. This despite him having signed a contract that specifically stated that he could be reassigned to any team at any time. It just didn’t add up.

    Even after the dust settled, Flood was dealt to the Washington Senators and given a contract that made him one of the highest paid players in the game. Flood played 13 games before retiring, saying that he had lost his desire to play.

    (See PFT Planet? I know what I’m talking about AND I don’t always side with the players)

    Back to the lawsuit, I agree that if there’s a player out there that will change the system, it will be one with the least to gain, someone that does it for the next generation of players. The Messersmith – McNally case turned baseball on it’s ear, and Dave McNally was retired when it was filed. The problem here is, of the ten players listed none of them are really in a “nothing to lose” boat. Mike Vrabel’s career is likely over, but he wants to get into coaching.

    Great post and I hope to hear more from you.

  7. tommyf15 says: Jul 4, 2011 12:18 PM

    skoobyfl says:
    The lawyers then get to collect a piece of the $12 Billion dollar settlement

    Where are you getting that number?

  8. CKL says: Jul 4, 2011 12:20 PM

    Bobwhitequail deserves some kudos for this too. He was ragging on Kessler for AGES on here and I wasn’t sure how accurate that was.

    Tommyf15, if the owners’ lawyers were blatantly pushing THEIR OWN & not their clients’ agendas, I would want them removed also. It isn’t about SIDES and which one you favor… it’s about lawyers who are violating the fiduciary relationship with their clients.

  9. notoriousjebus says: Jul 4, 2011 12:21 PM

    @skoobyfl

    These aren’t the personal injury guys that advertise on your local tv stations, they aren’t working on contingency. At best they might get a win bonus.

    They are paid by the hour. The reason they want to push this all the way is because the massive fees they will bill and what it will do for their careers. If they were to win the litigation Kessler and Quinn would immediately become the preeminent labor lawyers in the country. And there in lies the problem, are they really working on behalf of the best interest of their clients or for themselves?

  10. panther74 says: Jul 4, 2011 12:24 PM

    Is anyone surprised by this…cause I’m NOT?! My belief is these cats have been it it for themselves from the gettyup…this crap should have been put to bed MONTHS ago!

  11. istateyourname says: Jul 4, 2011 12:25 PM

    Tom Brady is the best player with the best lawsuit and best lawyers. He’s great.

  12. bearskoolaid1985 says: Jul 4, 2011 12:26 PM

    I HAVE BEEN BEATING THIS DRUM FOR WEEKS and WEEKS
    The PLAYER’s and I mean ALL the PLAYER’s need to be emailing, texting, calling, tweeting, and yelling at the top of the lung to have DE Smith and the top NFLPA rep’s to FIRE Kessler(THE NFL/NBA HATING LAWYER)
    He has his own agenda and that is to kill everything we as FAN’s love about the NFL.

  13. promickey says: Jul 4, 2011 12:27 PM

    Why should this negative information about the NFLPA Lawyers surprise anyone, consider this:

    Lawyers are being considered for use in experiments instead of rats because; Lawyers tend to multiply faster than rats. Most people become less attached to Lawyers than they do to rats. Moreover it has been determined that Lawyers will do things that rats will not!

  14. ravensfan4life52 says: Jul 4, 2011 12:28 PM

    if Kessler got fired a deal would be finished and signed and the league would open within 3 days.

  15. sameer1138 says: Jul 4, 2011 12:32 PM

    If you dump the lawyers, whoever is left will eventually turn into lawyers, Animal Farm-style. So it’s kinda a moot discussion….

  16. bearskoolaid1985 says: Jul 4, 2011 12:36 PM

    It is also time for the named player’s in the Brady v. NFL antitrust lawsuit to step in and voice there opinion today, now and ASAP for they are the one’s who let Kessler (THE NFL/NBA HATING LAWYER) be in the position to kill the NFL Football as we know it.

  17. t16rich says: Jul 4, 2011 12:37 PM

    its time for brian dawkins and jeff saturday to strangle demaurice smith. unless they are enjoying the summer off as much as tom and jizzelle. they should have cut the rookie wage and been done with the strike. they are just creating issues now. might i add. 2 months and 7 days until first sunday. CMON MAN!!!

  18. oldbrowndawg says: Jul 4, 2011 12:39 PM

    As these bottom-feeding lawyers, “the prosecution rests on count 1,467 of the indictment, your honor.” As to tommyf15’s post, it’s the PLAYERS’ lawyers who want to push this over the cliff, NOT those of the owners. Duh! The choice here is really quite simple: do the players want to see a fair deal struck and get back to the field, or do they want to listen to the shysters that are pushing them toward the abyss? The players are now on the clock!

  19. jbpanthers says: Jul 4, 2011 12:41 PM

    Freeman is a real leader, forget about narcissistic Manning and Brees’. Freeman should be leading this.

  20. jbcommonsense says: Jul 4, 2011 12:41 PM

    The NFLPA doesn’t NEED to dump their lawyers. Just ignore their advice, and make a deal.

  21. drgfri says: Jul 4, 2011 12:42 PM

    And Rex Ryan calls for players to wear fishnets.

  22. SpartaChris says: Jul 4, 2011 12:48 PM

    I hate lawyers.

  23. tommyf15 says: Jul 4, 2011 12:58 PM

    @bearskoolaid1985

    Dude, you C&P the same nonsense in every thread. It’s old.

    @oldbrowndawg

    When you accuse Kessler of pushing thing “off a cliff” and “towards the abyss”…what does that MEAN, exactly? Or are you really that unaware that an anti-trust case is likely to be more beneficial to the players than collective bargaining?

    @CKL:

    The way I see it, the lawyers ARE pushing the players’ agenda: more money and more freedom. You’re just mad because the lawyers aren’t pursuing YOUR agenda.

  24. mmiles81 says: Jul 4, 2011 1:04 PM

    Both players and owners should learn from the past and realize that missing a full season will do irreparable harm to the league. Get the deal done!

  25. goawayeverybody says: Jul 4, 2011 1:12 PM

    I am firmly on the players’ side but they need to dump their lawyers. Because if the season is cut short, you are going to see all of the “marginal” fans and a few of the more interested ones leave. And they won’t be back for a while.

  26. scott8nj says: Jul 4, 2011 1:12 PM

    Just bring in the lawyers for the legalese at the end. Dividing up money and benefits does not require a law degree or a rocket scientist, just compromise.

  27. richm2256 says: Jul 4, 2011 1:17 PM

    The owners believe that Jeffrey Kessler and Jim Quinn want to derail the settlement process, sacrifice a full season, pursue a mammoth antitrust verdict, which when trebled (fancy talk for tripled) could exceed $12 billion, and then leverage that verdict into partial ownership of the league itself.
    ————————————————-

    There is, obviously, a HUGE difference between getting the very best deal for the players NOW, and taking partial ownership of the entire NFL.

    This is some very scary stuff, for the NFL, for professional sports leagues everywhere, and ver businesses around the country. Who ever heard of employees stealing – via the court system – ownership of the very entity they work for.

    And IF the players are successful, how are they – as part owners – going to react to ever escalating player salaries? Kind of ironic, isn’t it?

    It’s clear that the lawyers have a completely different agenda than the players here.

  28. bobwhitequail says: Jul 4, 2011 1:25 PM

    The only way Kessler loses is if a deal is reached.

    If he continues to sue, he adds onto the $25 million he has already made from the NFLPA from 2006-2010. And that is if he LOSES the suit.

    If he wins, he likely gets a share of the $12 BILLION. One poster estimated he would get 30% of 12 billion, or $4 billion (don’t know if that is correct but it’s an obscene amount of money anyway.

    Also his son, Andrew Kessler, would make many millions as he is the agent for 28 former first round picks. So if Kessler sets up a “have and have nots” player system (as has been suggested by another poster), his son will represent many of the “Haves”.

    The players need to step up and stop Kessler (aka “the gimp”) from lining his own pockets at great cost to players, the nfl, and the economy.

    Is this about playing football or making Kessler, his family, and fellow lawyers rich? There are players out there who are smarter than to let this guy continue to work against the players and the NFL for his own benefit. They need to step up.

  29. CKL says: Jul 4, 2011 1:31 PM

    tommyf15 says:
    Jul 4, 2011 12:58 PM

    @CKL:

    The way I see it, the lawyers ARE pushing the players’ agenda: more money and more freedom. You’re just mad because the lawyers aren’t pursuing YOUR agenda.
    __________________________________
    I wouldn’t expect the players lawyers to be pushing “my” agenda so I’m not mad.

    It’s hard for me to see how Kessler’s position is in fact the REAL TRUE opinion of the majority of players (rather than just something the players voted on to maintain union solidarity/a leverage psotition)when not ONE SINGLE PLAYER I have ever read a comment from talks about how they love the fact that Kessler et al are suing the league on their behalf and they hope that lawsuit drags on until they win their freedom from the way the system is set up. Most of their comments vary on the theme of “I just want to play. I want this AGREEMENT to get done etc.” AGREEMENT=CBA, not I want this LAWSUIT TO BE WON which means NO CBA.

  30. hobartbaker says: Jul 4, 2011 1:33 PM

    Deciding to dump the lawyers is just the first step of the process, remember. Some real questions arise afterwards.

    Are they suitable for local landfills? Can they be put in cargo containers and shipped out to sea? Is there a small isolated community willing to set up a disposal site for them? If they are to be incinerated, will the resulting fumes meet toxicity level requirements? Is there a third world nation willing to take them in compacted form? Can they be recycled in any fashion to procuce tires, cattle fodder, ashphalt, or plastic soles for shoes?

  31. bearskoolaid1985 says: Jul 4, 2011 1:34 PM

    @tommyf15

    Your real name must be Jeff Kessler for only he would respond like you did to my comments. They might be on every thread but that doesn’t mean that it isn’t true.
    The more I state
    The PLAYER’s and I mean ALL the PLAYER’s need to be emailing, texting, calling, tweeting, and yelling at the top of the lung to have DE Smith and the top NFLPA rep’s to FIRE Kessler(THE NFL/NBA HATING LAWYER)
    The more people agree with me
    So Jeff thanks for proving my point.

  32. xtb3 says: Jul 4, 2011 1:35 PM

    What is this called?

    Breaking news: A lawyers association gambling junket cruise ship hit a reef and quickly sunk taking all 10,000 lawyers aboard to the bottom of sea with no one rescued.

    What is it called?

    Answer- A good start!

  33. imag3d says: Jul 4, 2011 1:37 PM

    Its amazing how “smart” everyone becomes when time starts running out. (Kicking the lawyers out should have been thought of months ago.)

  34. gdpont says: Jul 4, 2011 1:38 PM

    When it comes to an agreement that will affect thousands of past, current and future players for years to come, the devil will be in the details and hammering them out is where the lawyers will earn their.

    Let’s remember, the owners and their lawyers imposed this lockout and they can lift it anytime they want to. The owners gave Kessler and Quinn the opportunity to file the antitrust lawsuit.

  35. tommyf15 says: Jul 4, 2011 1:54 PM

    bearskoolaid1985 says:
    Your real name must be Jeff Kessler

    I’ve said this before- my son used to like to play a game where he’d pretend to be Luke Skywalker, I’d pretend to be Darth Vader, and we’d have a conversation.

    Of course, he was seven years old at the time. What’s your excuse?

    Let’s leave the childish games to the children.

  36. tommyf15 says: Jul 4, 2011 2:03 PM

    CKL says:
    Most of their comments vary on the theme of “I just want to play. I want this AGREEMENT to get done etc.” AGREEMENT=CBA, not I want this LAWSUIT TO BE WON which means NO CBA.

    I don’t disagree with you, but do you think it would be smart for the players to say that?

    You have to understand that the a lot of fans side against the players no matter what, case in point- this lockout. Any time a player says something marginally interesting, the fans resent them for it.

    Ergo, I don’t blame the players for just dumping out “I juss wanna play ball, man” cliches. Do you blame them?

  37. vadog says: Jul 4, 2011 2:04 PM

    In ALL things…and I mean ALL…lawyers are optional. Hire an attorney at your own risk friends.

  38. palinforpresidentofnorthkorea says: Jul 4, 2011 2:10 PM

    @tommy15:
    “Flood played 13 games before retiring, saying that he had lost his desire to play.”

    Do you think Tommy Brady and his ponytail will have any desire to play if he gets a share of $12B?

    Why even play any more games?

  39. h0c2000 says: Jul 4, 2011 2:14 PM

    Shocking! The owners don’t like the player’s lawyers. What’s next, cats and dogs don’t get along?

  40. tommyf15 says: Jul 4, 2011 2:20 PM

    xtb3 says:
    What is this called?

    Breaking news: A lawyers association gambling junket cruise ship hit a reef and quickly sunk taking all 10,000 lawyers aboard to the bottom of sea with no one rescued.

    What is it called?

    I think it’s called “a lame joke that I heard for the first time in 1983″.

  41. realfann says: Jul 4, 2011 2:31 PM

    More owner propaganda.

    The players’ lawyers have one goal, to get the best deal for their clients.

    Period.

    The owners have one goal, rush the players into a settlement.

    This whole “story” reeks of a owners plant.

    What “fair” 50/50 split has been offered by the owners??

    Certainly not a “fair” 50/50 split of revenue. That’s for sure.

    Players, ignore this bullcrap, the owners are trying to drive a wedge between you and your lawyers so that they (the owners) can carpetbag you into bad deals.

    Ignore it.

  42. tommyf15 says: Jul 4, 2011 2:34 PM

    bobwhitequail says:
    If he wins, he likely gets a share of the $12 BILLION.

    Can I ask again where that number is coming from?

    Plus a lawyer gets either a fee or a contingency, not both.

  43. jeff061 says: Jul 4, 2011 2:37 PM

    The players are being used as Pawns by these guys. It should be noted, in Kessler & Quinn’s scheme, the players don’t actually ever end up owning part of the league – the NFLPA* does….attorneys and administrators who are sucking the life out of football.

  44. clintonrb says: Jul 4, 2011 2:51 PM

    desmith is aware of all this im sure, hence the reason they kicked the lawyers out in the past sessions

  45. bpjensen says: Jul 4, 2011 3:03 PM

    Now is not the time to dump the lawyers because it will only delay a deal being reached.

    Now is the time for De Smith to take control and direct his attorneys to do what he asks.

    I think the NFLPA should seek different representation after the deal is signed because these lawyers have put their best interests ahead of the client’s.

  46. childressrulz says: Jul 4, 2011 3:27 PM

    No way! These players are stupid. The owners are taking them to the cleaners. Hell hire more lawyers and make those worthless fing owners pay through the nose.

  47. dadawg77 says: Jul 4, 2011 3:28 PM

    Has anyone ever thought the NFLPA is generating this or Smith is fermenting this story to create leverage for the final negotiations?

    In its history, the NFL has already lost a antitrust lawsuit, luckily for them Trump was such a dbag that it only cost them $3.76 ($1 award, anti trust tripled to $3 and $.76 in interest). They probably don’t want to press their luck with four billion in damages complaint. Especially with labor law, where without a CBA\Union the league is in clear violation of anti-trust laws.

    De Smith job is to negotiate the best deal the for the players (not a fair one) and you can’t negotiate without some sort of leverage. He knows that his union has always cracked under pressure of missing game checks and the deal offered from the owners will get smaller after preseason games are missed, so needs to get the deal completed in next week or so. Given this time frame, his only real leverage is the players carrying the lawsuit out to its conclusion. He has a few people talk to few reporters hoping the owners hear the rumors. Kessler and Quinn act aggressively in the negation sessions to cement the rumors in the owners minds. This might give Smith enough leverage to push points important to the players. For the owners the questions becomes whats more important giving these concessions and keeping the boogeyman in the closet or holding firms and taking a risk of losing it all.

    Prediction, NFLPA keeps the lawyers or lets them go at the very end to win a few points but there is an agreement within the next two weeks.

  48. bucforever says: Jul 4, 2011 3:34 PM

    Just get it done !! With or without the lawyers. Just get it done NOW!!

  49. hobartbaker says: Jul 4, 2011 4:03 PM

    No one knows how lawyers first came to the country. Some think they may have come over in storage compartments of cargo ships. Another school of thought says that they have always existed here, but only became a problem with the advance of civilization and urbanization. It is also possible that they may simply be a mutated version of normal human beings.

  50. hobartbaker says: Jul 4, 2011 4:06 PM

    Jim wants to leave Kessler & Quinn and start his own firm. So he can make a junior partner pull the wagon full of documents all the time.

  51. icu84bs says: Jul 4, 2011 4:07 PM

    ‘The owners believe that Jeffrey Kessler and Jim Quinn want to derail the settlement process, sacrifice a full season, pursue a mammoth antitrust verdict, which when trebled (fancy talk for tripled) could exceed $12 billion, and then leverage that verdict into partial ownership of the league itself.’

    I think this would be sort of apropos as it was the owners locking out the players in the first place.

    Cheers.

  52. tommyf15 says: Jul 4, 2011 4:10 PM

    palinforpresidentofnorthkorea says:
    Do you think Tommy Brady and his ponytail will have any desire to play if he gets a share of $12B?

    Why even play any more games?

    I guess because he wants to play.

    Brady is already set for life, so it’s not like the extra money is going to make a difference.

    Also, the idea of filing an anti-trust suit isn’t to extract money out of the owners, it’s to get them to permanently stop violating anti-trust law. The Supreme Court already rules that the NFL isn’t one entity, but rather thirty two separate franchises. It’s time they start acting as such.

  53. jtfris says: Jul 4, 2011 4:21 PM

    From a fan perspective, the most important point is that these two lawyers are trying to turn football into what baseball is. Baseball sucks not because of the game on the field, but because there is little fair competition.

  54. TIM says: Jul 4, 2011 4:22 PM

    Of course we need to remember that the main lawyer who has been holding things up for over 3 Months with his litigate and don’t negotiate strategy is none other than D. Smith himself !

    They will need lawyers to dot all the I’s and cross all the T’s ,but keeping them quiet until then would be best .
    Too bad the players voted in a guy(Smith) with no NFL background who only has experience in one thing,going to court !!!
    Gene Upshaw would have negotiated a tough but fair deal 3 Months ago ! Everyone with any grey cells working knows that,I just wonder how many of the players have very high functioning grey matter.They fell for a fast talking con man and they followed him and his lies on the path to destruction.Lucky the owners are not vindictive or they would now be using their victory in court and their vast superior bargaining position to crush the union into dust instead of what they have been doing,waiting at an empty bargaining table for over 3 Months ,waiting for Smith to make serious counter proposals to the many concessions the owners have put on the table over and over again.
    I think that might really be happening now,since even Smith knows he has lost all bargaining power because his Mommy the court system has shot him down and his players are starting to see him for the phoney he is.

  55. bobwhitequail says: Jul 4, 2011 4:30 PM

    Kessler is using the palyers and they may not even know it. He is trying ot get special, additional money for Brady and the other plaintiffs in the deal. Who here really thinks that Tom Brady is seeking special additinal money? Not a chance.

    Brady has left money on the table more than once to help his teamates. No way he instructed Kessler to try to get him special, additional money because he was a plaintiff. Kessler is just using Brady and his name as an additional item to argue about to delay/derail the deal in progress. Kessler is scum, pure scum. I wonder if Brady even knows that his name is being used like this?

  56. TIM says: Jul 4, 2011 4:33 PM

    And some few fans on here who don’t understand what actually happened should stop saying the owners locked out the players.
    Yes the owners of the NFL business finally were FORCED to lock out their employees when their employees refused to negotiate with them and WALKED OUT of talks where the owners had just made concessions on at least 8 different issues and were waiting for a counter proposal from the union.And then the union decided to npull a sham decertification scam on the Nation that everyone knew was a phoney tactic in a war they couldn’t win.and then they went to court and sued the owners of the business to try to ruin the business the owners had poured their lifesblood into for their entire lives.
    THEN and only THEN did the owners lock out their disgruntled employees who were trying to destroy their business instead of negotiating a fair contract. Any business owner who didn’t ban their employees who were attacking them and their business in all these insideous ways would be crazy . Would you let let them onto your business premises if they were attacking you and your business in that manner,or would you tell them to stay away from their former work place until the time they stopped trying to destroy it ?
    Of course you all would lock them out ,no question,unless you were a self destructive idiot.

  57. skoobyfl says: Jul 4, 2011 4:34 PM

    @Notoriousjebus

    “Antitrust verdict” would require a trial or final determination by a judge, which would then be appealed & debated over for a long time to come. How do you expect the union to pay the full amount of time needed to press their position?? Billionaires have the ability to holdout the time necessary versus a non-union collaboration without income behind in, unless of course there was a % of what is recovered to be given to the attorneys based on what they recover.

    Think a few steps ahead, not about today.

  58. palinforpresidentofnorthkorea says: Jul 4, 2011 5:02 PM

    @tommyf15:
    “1) Also, the idea of filing an anti-trust suit isn’t to extract money out of the owners, it’s to get them to permanently stop violating anti-trust law.

    2) The Supreme Court already rules that the NFL isn’t one entity, but rather thirty two separate franchises. It’s time they start acting as such.”

    1) BS, it’s all about money.

    2) Great, one team can have a field 70 yards long and rule field goals count as 15 points.

    Both destroy what was a great game.

  59. tommyf15 says: Jul 4, 2011 5:03 PM

    Ah, Tim is back with his daily cut and paste.

    TIM says:
    the owners had just made concessions on at least 8 different issues

    Tim, I’ve asked this three times and haven’t gotten a response. Maybe the fourth time will be the charm.

    What exactly were the eight concessions that the owners made?

    I mean, I’ve followed the lockout pretty closely and have never heard about this from anyone but you. So please- help me out and answer this time,

  60. darthvader89 says: Jul 4, 2011 5:31 PM

    If the labor deal doesn’t get done before July 15th and its not due to owners trying to bait and switch I fully blame the satanic influence of Kessler and Quinn.

  61. tommyf15 says: Jul 4, 2011 5:49 PM

    palinforpresidentofnorthkorea says:
    @tommyf15:
    “1) Also, the idea of filing an anti-trust suit isn’t to extract money out of the owners, it’s to get them to permanently stop violating anti-trust law.

    2) The Supreme Court already rules that the NFL isn’t one entity, but rather thirty two separate franchises. It’s time they start acting as such.”

    1) BS, it’s all about money.

    2) Great, one team can have a field 70 yards long and rule field goals count as 15 points.

    Both destroy what was a great game.

    1. Part, yes. All, no.

    Of course, the lockout IS all about money, but you’re not willing to take the owners to task for that.

    2. You can’t be serious.

    You know, there are legitimate arguments for a CBA out there, and some people here have done a tremendous job expressing them. Of course, there’s always that person that is afraid, or tries to make others afraid, of THE BOOGEYMAN.

    So, let’s put this one to bed. Having standard rules for the game- field is 100 yards long, game is 60 minutes, etc- is not subject to anti-trust regulation.

    What’s sad is that you were either so incredibly misinformed that you didn’t know that, or simply so disingenuous. My money is on the latter.

  62. clintonrb says: Jul 4, 2011 6:02 PM

    childrezzrulz-jackass

  63. ffootballontwitter says: Jul 4, 2011 6:06 PM

    FWIW, this is a great video on how pro sports is the only industry where the power is shifting away from the top. (It’s from the Aspen Ideas Festival, just winding down.)

    http://blog.thomsonreuters.com/index.php/ta-nehisi-coates-theres-only-one-industry-where-the-power-is-shifting-from-the-top-down/

  64. TIM says: Jul 4, 2011 6:25 PM

    Tommy:
    You are the only one I know who didn’t hear about the e-mail that the Commish sent out to all the players pointing out all the concessions the owners were willing to negotiate,before the union and D Smith walked out ,without even one counter offer.
    But I thought you knew it all,lol.

  65. tommyf15 says: Jul 4, 2011 7:10 PM

    TIM says:
    You are the only one I know who didn’t hear about the e-mail that the Commish sent out to all the players pointing out all the concessions the owners were willing to negotiate

    Let me make sure I understand this.

    You read about an e-mail Goodell sent out, where he claims to have made eight concessions.

    You then take that at face value and, without knowing what those concessions even are, cut and paste the claim on every labor-related thread this site offers?

    Are you f-ing kidding me right now?

  66. realfann says: Jul 4, 2011 7:43 PM

    TIM has been proven to be a 49er front office shill on the many Bay Area blogs where he posts daily.

    One of his many claims is that it wasn’t the 49er owner John York that flushed the Niners down a decade long toilet but it was all due to Bill Walsh.

    His MO is to make up stuff and repeat ad nauseum as fact. Just like he’s doing here.

    Credibility zero.

  67. realfann says: Jul 4, 2011 7:53 PM

    Despite the amount of anti-lawyer rhetoric on display here, there is zero, repeat zero evidence for the claims that:

    1. The players lawyers are acting against the interests of their clients.

    2. The players lawyers are seeking the end of the NFL.

    3. (the daftest of them all) the lawyers are trying to acquire a share of the NFL for either the players or the players association or for themselves (!)

    Nobody but NOBODY that writes or reads this blog would DREAM of negotiating on a legal matter with a bunch of rich experienced businessmen complete with their teams of the highest paid lawyers in the country without having lawyers for themselves.

    Nobody.

    It’s so riduclous as to be totally laughable that anyone would recommend that the players should fired their lawyers and attempt to negotiate for themselves with Bob Kraft and Bob Krafts lawyers and Jerry Jones with Jerry Jones lawyers and Goodell with the NFL lawyers.

    That would be effing stupid wouldn’t it????

  68. deadeye says: Jul 4, 2011 8:04 PM

    “Kill all the lawyers” is as sound advice today as it was when Bill Shakespeare first penned it.

  69. ravensfan4life52 says: Jul 4, 2011 9:03 PM

    but really? 15 whole days without a player being arrested? i’m starting to get concerned that something has happened to Kenny Britt.

  70. southmo says: Jul 4, 2011 9:36 PM

    tommy15
    Getting all excited at the prospect of a new CBA falling through aren’t you? LOL

    You continue to fail to understand that the NFL has been THE most successful sports league in the nation, in large part because of the structure and labor peace. And scrapping all of that simply isn’t smart for the sport.

    If you really are Kessler, or related to him, then perhaps it is smart for you, but why risk the sport’s recent success? To pursue this dismantling of the NFL as we’ve known it, when you know that Congress is going to jump in if you do AND also knowing that the Supreme Court might rule against you, AND knowing that at least an entire season will be sacrificed, is foolhardy at best and the height of hubris at worst. What’s the purpose? Make the Kessler name infamous? Achieve some ideological fantasy?

    The vast majority of us would simply like to keep enjoying NFL football. And no, your version won’t get cheaper, except in regards to quality.

    May the force be with you.

  71. southmo says: Jul 4, 2011 9:41 PM

    If DeSmith reins in Kessler and Company, and the players and owners work out a new CBA, I will never make fun of his hat again. In fact, I’d tip mine to him.

    If he doesn’t and the NFL is restructured so it’s every owner for himself, well I’ll enjoy watching my Cowboys go after a Super Bowl every year from now on.

    But I’ll miss the days when anyone could win it.

  72. vahawker says: Jul 4, 2011 9:45 PM

    TommyF telling someone not to cut and paste on his posts?!?!? Really?! you did it for weeks, but I guess when you did it was smart and informative.

    IN MY OPINION(and not the opinion of the owners and/or contributors of this site) K&Q are everything that is wrong with lawyers. Self serving, lowlife, degenerate, subhuman pieces of trash. Important to note that not ALL lawyers fall into that category, just like not ALL players are like Pac Man Jones or Albert Haynesworth

    I’ve been very anti-DeMoron, but if he dumps or de-legitimizes these two pieces of soggy Charmin paper, and gets a deal done, I will be one of the first to give him props.

  73. dave1961 says: Jul 4, 2011 10:35 PM

    Mike Freeman of CBS sports wants the players to fire their lawyers… meanwhile at the Texas ranch of America’s favorite jackass Jerry Jones… Mike Freeman deposits a million dollar payoff from the owners…..Good try Freeman.

  74. xtb3 says: Jul 4, 2011 10:47 PM

    Right now, an excellent display of lawyers yapping on and on the experts they are on everything in everyone’s mind and how evil and stupid others are – not themselves of course.

    Foxnews Judge Botox Pirro, Liese Wheel or on HLN the self proclaimed genius Nancy Grace.

    No wonder Pol Pot exected 100,000 lawyers and intelligensa in Cambodia back in the day.

  75. gridassassin says: Jul 4, 2011 11:26 PM

    D-Smith KNOWS that most of the free agent players will be in financial ruin if there’s no season. If he’s doing what’s in the best interest for the players – he’d best have a back-up plan.

    Also, what do you call a smiling, sober, courteous person at a bar association convention?

    The caterer.

  76. rascalmanny says: Jul 5, 2011 12:13 AM

    It will blow people’s minds when all this is over and the truth comes out in books and articles on the net.

    My bet is the owners and the NFL will look better than the so-called “union”.

  77. tommyf15 says: Jul 5, 2011 12:42 AM

    realfann says:
    TIM has been proven to be a 49er front office shill on the many Bay Area blogs where he posts daily.

    One of his many claims is that it wasn’t the 49er owner John York that flushed the Niners down a decade long toilet but it was all due to Bill Walsh.

    His MO is to make up stuff and repeat ad nauseum as fact. Just like he’s doing here.

    Credibility zero..

    TIM being outed made my Fourth :)

    Credibility ZERO.

  78. jcd213 says: Jul 5, 2011 5:09 AM

    The players and owners don’t give a sh*t about football… bottom line. $$$

  79. raiduhdude says: Jul 5, 2011 1:33 PM

    From the boondocks:

    “I’m a lawyer! We don’t help people!”

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