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Some players want to skip all or part of the preseason

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It’s a concept we’ve heard plenty of times during the lockout.  At one point on PFT Live, Ross Tucker of ESPN and SiriusXM NFL Radio said that veterans would love to miss the offseason program and training camp.  And it’s not just because they’re sick of the offseason program and training camp, but also because they won’t have to worry about a rookie trying to bump them off the roster.

More recently, one management-side source opined to PFT that some veterans actively are seeking a delay in the potential resolution of the lockout, so that they can miss training camp and part of the preseason.  Even more recently, fourth-year Rams linebacker Bryan Kehl admitted that veterans would like to see the preseason truncated by the labor dispute.

Nobody likes the preseason,” Kehl told ABC4.com.  “If they get a deal done and we roll into camp in mid-August, play one or two preseason games, I think everybody would be pretty happy.  Deals get done when there’s pressure on, and the pressure is on now because everybody loses if games are missed.”

But Kehl and the other veterans are missing the point.  If only one or two preseason games are played, as much as $600 million will be forever lost.  And while the players don’t get game checks in the preseason, that lost money will impact the pool from which their total pay arises.

Thus, all players should want the full preseason to be played.  With the exception, of course, of those veteran NFL players who fear that a full preseason will give rookies and other young players enough time to convert those veteran NFL players into former NFL players.

Kehl, who was cut by the Giants last year after only one regular-season game in 2010 and who landed as a reserve with the Rams, appearing in 14 games and starting one, could be one of those players.  Already bumped off one NFL roster, Kehl possibly realizes that a full training camp and preseason would give seventh-round draft pick Jabara Williams and any other linebackers whom the Rams may sign a chance to cut Kehl’s career short.

Plenty of other veteran players surely feel the same way right now.  For them, giving up all or part of the preseason represents a much better sacrifice than losing all of the 2011 regular season, and beyond.

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37 Responses to “Some players want to skip all or part of the preseason”
  1. canetic says: Jul 4, 2011 10:42 AM

    Geniuses, all of them.

  2. 7370355q says: Jul 4, 2011 10:44 AM

    This shouldn’t delay anything, because nobody is going to listen to scrubs b&*$# and moan.

  3. cometkazie says: Jul 4, 2011 10:44 AM

    “But Kehl and the other veterans are missing the point. If only one or two preseason games are played, as much as $600 million will be forever lost.”

    Naw, not true.

    $600M will go somewhere else. It won’t be “forever lost,” just to the NFL owners.

  4. redwinglion says: Jul 4, 2011 10:45 AM

    Shocking.

    In other news, the sun will rise tomorrow morning.

  5. bearskoolaid1985 says: Jul 4, 2011 10:56 AM

    Does he not get that the loss of preseason games any number of games means less money for the players.

  6. brownsfn says: Jul 4, 2011 10:58 AM

    They are not going to miss just 1 or 2 preseason games…it seems more and more likely that they will miss 1-2 REGULAR season games if these dummies don’t smarten up…

  7. voiceofrealism says: Jul 4, 2011 11:00 AM

    This is why the players should just be players and stop talking about being partners. They don’t get the business side and they never will. Take your millions, go play football, and STFU.

  8. ramofsteel says: Jul 4, 2011 11:02 AM

    If a vet is worried a rookie could bump them off, that isn’t really sayin much of said vet. Just sayin.

  9. redrocker77 says: Jul 4, 2011 11:07 AM

    Uh, someone should remind Bryan Kehl that he was a 4th round pick. Dude probably wouldn’t even be on a team w/o the preseason. No 4th rounder has a guaranteed spot. He probably will get bumped by better player anyway.

  10. commandercornpone says: Jul 4, 2011 11:09 AM

    while i am sure some just dont want the extra beating… ram is right.

    this is like when unions are offered the choice of getting more people on to work 2nd or 3rd shifts… or do them themselves and make more money.

    money wins out. every time.

  11. SpartaChris says: Jul 4, 2011 11:12 AM

    So players want owners to have to compete for their services, but don’t want to have to compete themselves for roster spots. Got it.

  12. innerlign says: Jul 4, 2011 11:14 AM

    Agreed, Ramofsteel.
    A player who is worried about rookie competition is more than likely a lazy, entitled punk.
    You should welcome the competition to make you the best player you can be.

  13. hobartbaker says: Jul 4, 2011 11:15 AM

    “Some” players? I doubt any of them want a settlement before mid August or so. That is what is driving the timeline of the talks. Always has been.

  14. pappysarcasm says: Jul 4, 2011 11:20 AM

    $10 says any players making such statements scored < 8 on his wonderlic! ;)

  15. skimbell says: Jul 4, 2011 11:20 AM

    “voiceofrealism says:
    Jul 4, 2011 11:00 AM
    This is why the players should just be players and stop talking about being partners. They don’t get the business side and they never will. Take your millions, go play football, and STFU.”
    If the players want to be “partners”, they ought to start kicking in some scratch for the operation /construction of the stadiums.
    Vick just signed a shoe deal with NIKE. I’ll bet he didn’t fork over 48% of that payday to the league.

  16. bpjensen says: Jul 4, 2011 11:36 AM

    I think the NFLPA does a poor job of communicating with its constituents and looking out for the have nots amongst the players.

    Assuming Kehl meant regular season games as opposed to preseason games when he said “everybody loses if games are missed,” then the NFLPA has done a poor job of explaining the economics of the situation. Each preseason game missed lowers the salary cap for each team by approximately $3 million dollars (under the rumored future revenue split).

    I am sure there are some veteran players (who are not likely to be replaced) with existing contracts or younger players with decent guaranteed money in their contracts that could care less about missing preseason because it does not affect them and would only affect this season. But with the possibility that their will be an abundance of free agents this year, you think the NFLPA would make sure no preseason games are missed to make sure that $3m per goes to those free agents, not to mention all the others the money could be used on.

    Maybe the fact that there are 2000 players makes it difficult to get the message out, but is that not what player reps are for? In the end, I am not worried about a few vets that think their job will be secure from rookies by missing preseason games.

  17. brooklynbully says: Jul 4, 2011 12:16 PM

    Ok now iam on the owners side .them big cry babies better get out there and Play some football .such cry babies where the replacement players sick of this!!!!

  18. tmaczoozoo says: Jul 4, 2011 12:25 PM

    As a Pro Football player, I’m guessing they’d love to miss the entire season…

    Wish granted.

  19. CKL says: Jul 4, 2011 12:26 PM

    Maybe I’m in the minority here but I’m more concerned with the quality of play being lower due to all these missed OTAs, camps and possibly preseason games.

    Already weeks 1, 2 and sometimes even 3 can be a cavalcade of extra weird outcomes due to teams still gelling. I don’t want it to be until week 8 or whatever before we see quality football. Granted, it won’t stop my watching it whatever it looks like because I love the game so much but still…

  20. mikebrownistheworstownerinprosports says: Jul 4, 2011 12:27 PM

    So for a recap, volutaries and mini-camps= missed. Training camp= missed. Half of preseason missed too? Expect to see some crappy football this year, for the same ticket prices.

  21. gdpont says: Jul 4, 2011 12:50 PM

    If the preseason is so important to the owners and players, then a deal must get done. I think we’ll find out that the preseason is much less important than some have argued and most preseason games will be canceled. Both sides have to show each other the strength of their conviction in the righteousness of their negotiating position and that requires a sacrifice. Preseason revenue is the most likely sacrifice.

    Canceling preseason is the one thing from the lockout that can benefit the fans. As a season ticket holder, I can only hope that these meaningless games are canceled.

  22. MichaelEdits says: Jul 4, 2011 12:56 PM

    Make em all play two games a week while I laugh my butt off. Mistakes would surely be made. They might look like me and a buncha scrubs out behind the barn.

  23. db105 says: Jul 4, 2011 2:11 PM

    Season ticket holders hope they cancel the preseason.

  24. Deb says: Jul 4, 2011 2:31 PM

    @CKL …

    If you’re in the minority, I’m in it with you because I’ve been thinking the same thing. The less prep time these guys have, the sloppier they’ll play and the higher the potential for injuries early in the season. And the vets are fools if they think skipping camp and preseason means they won’t have to compete for their jobs. It’s a competitive industry. Missing camp and preseason just means that if you were on the cusp, your coaches might decide to dump you and go with a fresher unknown. If you go into camp and preseason well-prepared, you have a chance to prove you still have something to offer.

    Fortunately, though, I don’t think the players’ laziness on something like this has any impact on the negotiators.

  25. chatham10 says: Jul 4, 2011 2:32 PM

    I guess things are really slow when you guys quote a player 90% of the fans probably have never heard of and maybe the reason is he hates OTA’s and training camp and puts no effort to improve his play. I fear the play will be sloppy this year and it will all be blamed on the owners because of the lockout but the good news is college football starts the first of Sept.

  26. realfann says: Jul 4, 2011 2:43 PM

    A repeat of the earlier owner propaganda.

    Loss of pre-season games will not reduce ANY players pay.

    Under contract players will get exactly what their contract says regardless of whether pre-season games are played or not.

    Free agents will sign for bigger contracts regardless of whether pre-season games are played or not. Beacuse the cap will be much, much higher than before.

    It’s highly doubtful that the $600m pre-season revenue is even an accurate figure.

    Because it came from the owners who refuse to open their books to prove any of their financial claims.

    Propaganda. Ignore it.

    Missing pre-season applies pressure to the owners. Makes them sweat a little.

    Maybe that will help them to start negotiating for real instead of indulging in propaganda wars.

  27. clintonrb says: Jul 4, 2011 2:46 PM

    this players is quite the douche, statements like this..more firepower for the anti player side of things, why doesnt he realize this?
    think!

  28. samoanjungle says: Jul 4, 2011 2:51 PM

    As a Season Ticket holder, I HOPE at least a couple preseason games are canceled.
    Having to pay full price for a practice game is the biggest rip off in sports. I pay $80 for a ticket I can’t sell for $20.

  29. childressrulz says: Jul 4, 2011 3:35 PM

    “Nobody likes the preseason,” Kehl told ABC4.com. “If they get a deal done and we roll into camp in mid-August, play one or two preseason games, I think everybody would be pretty happy. Deals get done when there’s pressure on, and the pressure is on now because everybody loses if games are missed.”

    But Kehl and the other veterans are missing the point. If only one or two preseason games are played, as much as $600 million will be forever lost. And while the players don’t get game checks in the preseason, that lost money will impact the pool from which their total pay arises.
    ________________________________
    Yeah I think MF is missing the point here not the players. Money isn’t everything. I would take the preseason off if I were them as well. Who cares about the stupid preseason anyway it is not even fun to watch.

  30. zachebers says: Jul 4, 2011 4:47 PM

    As a player on the Rams I’d think you’d want to get into camp ASAP, keep the youth of this team growing and the growth rate and success of the new regime growing! If you think otherwise, then maybe you shouldn’t be a part of this team Kehl. After his comments, I hope Jabara Williams gets into camp, turns heads, buys into the system and earns a roster spot over Kehl. Bottom line, if you don’t want to help better your team, then get the hell outta here and go work at freight dock or something.

  31. pkarm says: Jul 4, 2011 5:52 PM

    I would be all in favor of no preseason games EVER

  32. brooklynbully says: Jul 4, 2011 6:55 PM

    SEE!!! now iam side with the owners ,stuff like this pisses me off .worried about some rookies taking your spot ,you better be worried about them replacement players taking over everybody spot. just shutup and play ball because us fans paid for that food you and your family about to eat later (Mr.Bryan Kehl)

  33. Packernet says: Jul 4, 2011 7:27 PM

    Maybe we can have a lockout every year. Then Pro Bowlers like Kehl can live the high life every offseason.

  34. johnnycamparm says: Jul 4, 2011 8:26 PM

    “Nobody likes the preseason,” Kehl told ABC4.com. “If they get a deal done and we roll into camp in mid-August, play one or two preseason games, I think everybody would be pretty happy.
    ———————————————————————
    BULL! I for one, given the circumstances, would give anything to see a preseason game. If this lockout has taught me anything, it’s taught me that football is a more important part of my life, that I had ever thought. The thought of a shortened season makes me sick. I know that the regular season games are all that matter, but I LOVE the whole season… I love the reports from training camp… the anticipation of an unkown player making his mark in the league… Seeing the rookies perform at game speed, when you mightt not see them for a year or two… This stuff is what feeds die hard fans… Even if I have a full season, I will still feel slighted.

  35. terminatorlikesmaids says: Jul 4, 2011 8:40 PM

    Hey boss, I don’t think I want to come in at 8am today. I think I will come in at 10, take a hour for lunch, and leave at 3. And oh, by the way…..I want to see your books, and I want 58% of the company income. I also want you to pay my retirement, and health care as long as I live…..and I don’t really think I need to train or get better at my job…..just sayin……
    (Can anybody really tell me why we keep supporting these “men”; what they need is a real job)

  36. gridassassin says: Jul 4, 2011 11:35 PM

    I can’t criticize the players, most of them rarely attended class in college, and they can’t see past their weekly paychecks.

    They don’t get paid much in the preseason, yet work their asses off. Then the season rolls around, and there’s fewer practices, less hitting and they get paid a HELLUVA lot more during the season.

    End of story.

    But in reality, that’s not ‘big picture’ reality.

  37. erfoster says: Jul 5, 2011 7:18 AM

    they should ask farve how he feels about training camp?

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