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Report: Progress is slow, again

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The labor talks continue to ping-pong, with optimism alternatively replaced by pessimism, then optimism.  And so with signs pointing to a possible resolution by the weekend, Sal Paolantonio of ESPN reports that progress is slow, and that the first week of the preseason could now be in jeopardy.

Per Paolantonio, lawyers haggled Tuesday regarding the terms of a rookie wage scale and a revised drug program.  Citing two unnamed sources with direct knowledge of the talks, disagreement still exists on the key issues of dividing revenues and defining “all revenue.”

The news should come as no huge surprise, given that only the lawyers are present.  Without Commissioner Roger Goodell, NFLPA* executive director DeMaurice Smith, mediator Arthur Boylan, the owners, or the key players, the lawyers are unlikely to make much progress.

That’s why Goodell, Smith, Boylan, the owners, and the key players need to get to Manhattan, sooner rather than later.  If the parties merely had decided to suck it up and meet through the weekend, I’m convinced a deal would have been struck.  Instead, the parties will be trying to recapture on Thursday, July 7 the vibe that existed on Thursday, June 30.

Much can change in a week, and the stakes are increasingly higher.

Hopefully, the parties will quit talking about hard work and start engaging in it.  At $200 million per week in potentially lost preseason revenues, the two sides have every reason to get this thing done.

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75 Responses to “Report: Progress is slow, again”
  1. footballfanatic3431 says: Jul 5, 2011 8:51 PM

    HAHAHAHAHA

    There it is. I called this in the last post.

    Incredible.

  2. rjblitz02 says: Jul 5, 2011 8:52 PM

    ..almost there, almost there, almost there..

    POW. Right in the kisser!

  3. doob187 says: Jul 5, 2011 8:53 PM

    see!!

  4. steelybills says: Jul 5, 2011 8:54 PM

    AAAAAHHHHH!!!!!

  5. fostern says: Jul 5, 2011 8:54 PM

    I really, really wish this surprised me.

  6. sippindasyzurp says: Jul 5, 2011 8:55 PM

    Ahhh yes! There is that refreshing splash of cold water i have been waiting for, on this hot summer day!

  7. esg6string says: Jul 5, 2011 8:57 PM

    For the love of….

    Does anyone else think that talks would be helped if all the parties involved got swift kicks to their gentleman’s areas periodically until they got a deal done? I know it would make me feel better.

  8. mathsimillion says: Jul 5, 2011 8:58 PM

    Surprise Surprise.

    But I’m curious. How could they recapture a feeling that existed on a date that hasn’t happened yet?

    Case in point:

    the parties will be trying to recapture on Thursday, July 7 the vibe that existed on Thursday, July 14

    Somebody didn’t submit to a proofreading first?

  9. reillyb1 says: Jul 5, 2011 8:58 PM

    Hahahahaha! Why do we bother?

  10. bearsrulepackdrool says: Jul 5, 2011 9:00 PM

    Since everybody suing everybody, can I sue these idiots to put a gag order in place? so they can just SHUT UP and GET IT DONE!

  11. downsouth49er says: Jul 5, 2011 9:00 PM

    I got so drunk yesterday while celebrating the 4th!!

  12. drgfri says: Jul 5, 2011 9:02 PM

    Report: Rex Ryan is a bafoon who loves stinky feet

  13. bhindenemylines says: Jul 5, 2011 9:03 PM

    And Lucy (the media) pulls the football (the hope of an end to this madness) away from Charlie Brown (the fans) again.

    Seriously, PFT needs to use this cartoon from Peanuts as an accompaning photo at some point.

  14. whags334 says: Jul 5, 2011 9:04 PM

    This is garbage, what happened to the gag order. I am just sick and tired of hearing all this nothingness. The sad thing is that there is a very important day, Sept. 11, 2011 and the NFL has a great opportunity to honor all the victims and soldiers who have lost their lives as a result of the attacks. The problem is people on both sides are so freaking greedy, they just can’t seem to realize that enough is enough. I have already told my buddies that I have gone to the games with since we got the Jags that if we aren’t playing on Sept. 11, I am taking this year off. I just can’t stomach the thought of wasting my Sundays away from my wife and little girl to waste time and money on a bunch of people who could care less about the people that really pay their salaries…the fans!!!

  15. pioneeringperception says: Jul 5, 2011 9:04 PM

    We should kidnap Goodell and Smith and lock them in a room with no windows, food or water and not let them out until a deal is done.

  16. iamgoodkid says: Jul 5, 2011 9:05 PM

    what can i tell you thanks for dorking up an otherwise dull night

  17. baltimorebean says: Jul 5, 2011 9:05 PM

    Blue-balled once again.

  18. stampede101 says: Jul 5, 2011 9:07 PM

    yo mama.

  19. iamgoodkid says: Jul 5, 2011 9:09 PM

    Color: NO PRESEASON YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO REGULAR SEASON YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i love it!!

    Zig Zag: uh color back off please

    Me: YEAH YEAH YEAH HAHAHAHAHAHA DORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  20. staff2cj4td says: Jul 5, 2011 9:09 PM

    wht the F#@K arn’t they there and meeting 18 hours a day?!?!?!?

    the quality of the game is gonna suck the first 4-6 weeks!! not to mention rookies will be a damn near non-factor!!!

  21. arcaero says: Jul 5, 2011 9:11 PM

    Gawd I am enjoying this summer of fishing and golf..I look forward to continuing it throughout the fall on Sundays, Monday nights and Thursday nights..since I am DONE WITH THE NFL.

  22. evrybdyhas1 says: Jul 5, 2011 9:12 PM

    The NFL really stands for No F****ing Life.
    We all need to get one.

  23. pacificamjr says: Jul 5, 2011 9:13 PM

    Next, progress is gonna speed up…. then slow again.

  24. skoobyfl says: Jul 5, 2011 9:18 PM

    Deal was done today, it’s soon to be announced.

  25. Soulman45 says: Jul 5, 2011 9:19 PM

    The lawyers is back and the deal got push back get the deal done and call the lawyers in to dot the IIIII and cross the TTTTT.

  26. reillyb1 says: Jul 5, 2011 9:20 PM

    Do you think they are just messing with us right now? They agreed to terms of a new deal weeks ago and they’re just seeing how powerful they are and how much they can screw with people.

    Obviously this isn’t the case, but it’s starting to feel that way.

  27. stachman83 says: Jul 5, 2011 9:20 PM

    If they just would have brought in Joe Pesci from day one, this deal would have been made by lunch…

  28. wwwfella says: Jul 5, 2011 9:21 PM

    is it me or does it seem like all these reporters are just making up stories about the progress of the lockout becase they have no idea what’s going on but still have to report something for their paycheck?

  29. lovesportsandsurfing says: Jul 5, 2011 9:26 PM

    No NFL in 2011,…one of these days you will believe me.

  30. mvpanthersfan11 says: Jul 5, 2011 9:35 PM

    Who really cares at this point!? Just stop posting this crap every single day its the same thing. a deal is close then actually maybe not JUST STOP!! Lets us know when the lockout is over. That’s all I care about!

  31. elleclouds says: Jul 5, 2011 9:37 PM

    This is an ongoing trend. One day they are making progress then the next talks have broken down. I’m tired of the drama and wish to here that the season is on or off.

  32. anonimocontraditorio says: Jul 5, 2011 9:43 PM

    I’m feeling like a jerk

    Am I really fan of that??

    They’re acting like football owners… they’re smashing evertything… This is really sad.

    Football now resumes to this two dummass faces…

    Getting tired….

  33. lickenkittens says: Jul 5, 2011 9:47 PM

    This is expected when you leave lawyers unattended.

  34. capslockkey says: Jul 5, 2011 9:51 PM

    On the bright side, I’m looking forward to my refund on that first preseason game I can burn the money in a trash bin directly for once.

  35. canadianvikingfaniii says: Jul 5, 2011 9:52 PM

    I honestly don’t care about these BS updates anymore, all they do is go back and forth. How about we get a real update such as; A New Deal has been formed, agreed upon and signed…. All this Favre-ing around is depressing.

  36. trbowman says: Jul 5, 2011 9:52 PM

    Why aren’t Goodell and Smith there again?

    What do they have to be doing that’s more important than saving the 2011 season?

  37. billinlouisiana says: Jul 5, 2011 9:56 PM

    At this point I am beginning to not care if they get a deal done in time to get this season going. I won’t be attending any games or purchasing any souvenir’s oe products that carry an NFL or NFLPA* logo for at least 1 year. I have already made plans that will not allow me to watch games for 2 weekends this coming season and am looking at other weekends. I used to be an avid BB fan until their last work stoppage and I can honestly say I haven’t watched a single game enirely since then and I don’t really miss it. I doubt I’ll miss the NFL either.

  38. rugdog100 says: Jul 5, 2011 10:24 PM

    Screw the NFL (National Federation of Lawyers)… I’ll watch college football.

  39. slsmith54 says: Jul 5, 2011 10:32 PM

    Just get it done. No one wants to hear about guys arguing over billions of dollars, really. All we want is football to start on time. Anything that helps that along is all you should be talking. And get the f%&*ing lawyers out of there. Thank you.

  40. superbengalfan says: Jul 5, 2011 10:32 PM

    Piss Poor work ethic on both sides…

  41. thumper00 says: Jul 5, 2011 10:44 PM

    Don’t cave in NFL, keep them till next year. Go owners

  42. wil1434 says: Jul 5, 2011 10:47 PM

    It’s as if they make progress and then let the lawyers mess it up on purpose. Neither side is strongly committed to getting a deal done or else they would be negotiating round the clock.

  43. mjkelly77 says: Jul 5, 2011 10:48 PM

    I get a kick out of all of the “I’m finished with the NFL” posts. If you’re posting here you’re a junkie. And almost all of the junkies who claim they’re cleaned up go right back. I understand your frustration with this lockout but don’t kid yourself. You’re a junkie ready to smoke the NFL crack pipe.

    In a positive note, the earlier flat fee regarding attorney compensation story bodes well for a new CBA. I think the new agreement is close.

  44. Rhode Island Patriots Fan says: Jul 5, 2011 10:53 PM

    The imminent prospect of lost revenue will force a settlement agreement. The sides are not quite there yet, but it’s coming—and very soon. My only regret is that the Eighth Circuit may not end up issuing its appeal ruling prior to the settlement. That would be a shame, especially if a future three-judge appellate panel makes such a ruling consistent with Circuit Judge Bye’s dissenting opinion on the NFL’s motion for a stay pending appeal. Without the lever of a player lockout in future labor disputes, the owners may eventually have to consider giving the players an ownership interest in the NFL.

  45. wt01 says: Jul 5, 2011 10:55 PM

    For what it’s worth, Albert Breer said that “certainly a lot of work got done today” on Total Access. I, for one, would trust Breer far more on these talks than Mr. Paolantonio, no offense to him.

  46. perry1977 says: Jul 5, 2011 10:57 PM

    At this point, I would be more than happy for the whole season to go down the drain, laugh when they have to send me back my $2500 for season tickets, and spend that money on something that matters. Like Pez dispensers.

  47. chizzle20 says: Jul 5, 2011 11:01 PM

    Wait, is this the same Paolantonio that said there was breaking news and a deal was almost done in mid June?

    Something tells me just to never listen to a man named Sal…

  48. californiaskinsfan28 says: Jul 5, 2011 11:02 PM

    I sure hope that the next post is a Deal is done if not please don’t play with my emotions…

  49. descendency says: Jul 5, 2011 11:09 PM

    You’re going to believe Sal Pal???

  50. raidermick says: Jul 5, 2011 11:24 PM

    trbowman:
    Why aren’t Goodell and Smith there again?
    What do they have to be doing that’s more important than saving the 2011 season?

    Raidermick:
    They are waiting for their scripts for the next chapter…

  51. silverhornet says: Jul 5, 2011 11:25 PM

    God I hate baseball…

  52. iamgoodkid says: Jul 5, 2011 11:36 PM

    This NFL Labor talks reminds me of the Powerpuff Girls episode “Meet the beat alls” lol

  53. iamgoodkid says: Jul 5, 2011 11:37 PM

    the lawyers are the beat alls and the nfl and players are the powerpuff girls lol

  54. iamgoodkid says: Jul 5, 2011 11:40 PM

    Will the NFL and players (Powerpuff Girls) save the day or will the lawyers (the beat alls) continue to try to defeat the powerpuff girls, perhaps, perhaps not maybe tomorrow you never know

  55. festivus01 says: Jul 6, 2011 12:10 AM

    Sal what a Pal!! Not!!!!

  56. festivus01 says: Jul 6, 2011 12:15 AM

    I thought my bowel movement was a little slow today. Thanks Goodhell and Desmut!!

  57. bucforever says: Jul 6, 2011 12:49 AM

    Oh crap! Not again! I am going to bed. Why can’t they lockout the damn lawyers anyway.

  58. tommyf15 says: Jul 6, 2011 12:56 AM

    mjkelly77 says:
    I get a kick out of all of the “I’m finished with the NFL” posts. If you’re posting here you’re a junkie. And almost all of the junkies who claim they’re cleaned up go right back. I understand your frustration with this lockout but don’t kid yourself.

    I agree with this and I’ll go a step further.

    If you enjoy the NFL enough to peruse this website, why would you stop watching the games over a labor dispute? That makes no sense whatsoever. I mean, seriously- do you no longer go to Super Bowl parties? Are you no longer part of the football conversations at work, and with your friends? You may have it in your head that you’re punishing the owners and player, but you’re only punishing yourself.

    And for the guy that stopped watching baseball: most of the guys that owned teams have sold them, and almost all of the players have retired. The current crop of owners and players literally had nothing to do with what happened in 1994.

  59. firemarshal1 says: Jul 6, 2011 1:00 AM

    Goodell and Smith stop being lazy and put your aside, let’s a get done for the nation.

  60. txhc says: Jul 6, 2011 1:21 AM

    “wwwfella says:
    Jul 5, 2011 9:21 PM
    is it me or does it seem like all these reporters are just making up stories about the progress of the lockout becase they have no idea what’s going on but still have to report something for their paycheck?”

    Bingo.

  61. tmaczoozoo says: Jul 6, 2011 2:44 AM

    I love it!

  62. tmaczoozoo says: Jul 6, 2011 2:45 AM

    Once again… stellar picture to post with the article!

    Dualing $hitters.

  63. rajirog says: Jul 6, 2011 4:01 AM

    LOL What’s funny is the longer this has gone, the more I have realized I’m over all this NFL crap. Fans will never be a priority for the NFL and especially not for the players. I wish us fans had the unity to stick together and shove it to both of these sides. I wish everyone would boycott anything and everything that has to do with the NFL. The problem is most fans are so gullible and stand for nothing that the NFL knows they can do what they want and everyone would go crawling back. You have very little control in anything when the other side doesn’t fear you.

    F you NFL and Players. Hope you both go bankrupt for such pathetic selfishness. Bring on College football!!!!!

  64. weneedlinemen42 says: Jul 6, 2011 5:23 AM

    Do “the labor talks continue to ping-pong” or is it just the reporting of them?

    More and more I question the credibility of every single media outlet. Are the journalists relaying inside information, or they just making it up as they go along, knowing that they never, ever get called on it.

    Frankly, I doubt there have been big highs and lows in the negotiation process. I suspect it has been a dull and very gradual grind towards an agreement as point after point is negotiated over. That’s hard to report on, particularly hard in environment where the football media is now geared up to file stories everyday of the year.

    Football writers have to write about something and they’re not about to let nothing of interest happening get in the way of that.

  65. eaglesfootballfan says: Jul 6, 2011 6:15 AM

    They better have this thing figured out and done before July 15th.

  66. dansnydersux says: Jul 6, 2011 7:33 AM

    Let ‘em stay locked out. They don’t care about the people who mindlessly support them with taxpayer dollars for stadiums, tickets, and merchandise. They just care about getting theirs. You can’t afford to take a family of four to a game anymore, and with all the drunkeness, belligerence, and violence that takes place in the stands, it’s best to just watch from home, anyway. Frankly, it’s the fans who need to go on strike.

  67. dansnydersux says: Jul 6, 2011 7:38 AM

    tommyf15 says:
    Jul 6, 2011 12:56 AM
    mjkelly77 says:
    I get a kick out of all of the “I’m finished with the NFL” posts. If you’re posting here you’re a junkie. And almost all of the junkies who claim they’re cleaned up go right back. I understand your frustration with this lockout but don’t kid yourself.

    I agree with this and I’ll go a step further.

    If you enjoy the NFL enough to peruse this website, why would you stop watching the games over a labor dispute? That makes no sense whatsoever. I mean, seriously- do you no longer go to Super Bowl parties? Are you no longer part of the football conversations at work, and with your friends? You may have it in your head that you’re punishing the owners and player, but you’re only punishing yourself.

    And for the guy that stopped watching baseball: most of the guys that owned teams have sold them, and almost all of the players have retired. The current crop of owners and players literally had nothing to do with what happened in 1994.

    Just because I visit this site, go to Super Bowl parties and have football conversations with friends doesn’t mean that I’m “supporting” the league. As long as I don’t buy anything that says “NFL” on it, the organization isn’t getting any money from me. Really, I come here out of curiosity’s sake, just to see where everything is. I’ll watch on free TV, but I won’t invest in the Sunday ticket. Anything that calls for me to give money to the league is something I won’t patronize.

  68. knucklebucket says: Jul 6, 2011 8:19 AM

    If its just the lawyers arguing why WOULD they want to accomplish anything. Once a deal is reached the clock stops for their time charge. Funny how arguing over money is hampered by lawyers who are arguing only to pad their own wallets.

    Wake me when its over…

  69. fballguy says: Jul 6, 2011 8:22 AM

    With zero hour rapidly approaching, I think it’s a good sign that Goodell and Smith aren’t participating in the meetings right now. The heavy lifting must be done and they’re now down to the I’s and T’s.

    Side note…Can anyone else hear D. Smith saying “What’chu talkin’ bout Goodell?”

  70. brutus9448 says: Jul 6, 2011 9:17 AM

    what does goodell and smith have that is more important than being in these meetings. If there is no football they are both out of a job.

  71. iffybiz says: Jul 6, 2011 11:08 AM

    I’d like to think the reason the lawyers and not the main negotators are working now is that they are drawing up the “papers” on what has already been agreed on and De Smith and the “commish” are figuring out how to solve the last few pieces of the puzzle separately.

  72. 4gone says: Jul 6, 2011 11:21 AM

    Solve this F’ing thing so we can get things back to the way it used to be where its just my wife and kids fighting over how to spend my money.

  73. iamgoodkid says: Jul 6, 2011 1:57 PM

    You do know the Powerpuff Girls (NFL and players) HAVE to save the day by july 15th if they don’t then your looking at preseason games being missed right in our faces!

  74. bradjames33160 says: Jul 6, 2011 2:46 PM

    For those of you who say college football is SO much better than the NFL, I have to disagree. College football doesn’t care about the fans which is surmised in three letters: BC$. Yes, I am mad at the NFL, but the moment the CBA is reached, I will return because at least I know the championship is real. No, the NFL doesn’t care about fans either, but of the two products: I prefer the NFL over I-A college football. I’m expecting lots of thumbs down but I don’t care.

  75. andrewfbrowne says: Jul 6, 2011 2:53 PM

    WE ARE ON DAY 115+ OF THE LOCKOUT OF COURSE PROGRESS IS SLOW. GLACIERS COVERED NORTH AMERICA IN A QUICKER TIME.

    My favorite is that the article directly before that in the lockout post queue is that there could be strong signs that a deal is coming soon.

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