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St. Paul poised to oppose Vikings stadium plan

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The Vikings stadium project in Minnesota has assumed a position on the back burner, due in large part to the shutdown of the state’s government following an inability by the politicians to work out a new budget.  And that has given folks in St. Paul an opportunity to derail the plan to build the stadium in nearby Arden Hills.

Frederick Melo of the St. Paul Pioneer Press reports that St. Paul City Council will formally oppose a plan that imposes a one-half percent sales tax throughout Ramsey County, which encompasses both St. Paul and Arden Hills.

St. Paul officials contend that the city will bear $160 million of the $350 million tax burden resulting from the measure, which under the currently proposed deal would be implemented without a public vote, primarily since the public surely would vote it down in a landslide.

“It is unfair and inequitable for the residents and businesses of Saint Paul to be asked to bear a disproportionate financial burden for the construction of a State and regional amenity, particularly when the benefit to Saint Paul taxpayers is tangential at best,” the City Council’s resolution states.

The agreement between the Vikings and Ramsey County gives either part the ability to walk away after July 1, based on the lack of a stadium bill permitting the project to proceed.  And that gives other potential locations in the Twin Cities area (or in the City of Angels) an opening for trying to land the stadium, setting the stage for all sorts of alliances and agendas in order to swipe the project from Arden Hills.

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  1. SmackSaw says: Jul 6, 2011 10:45 AM

    California here we come! First the Lakers, now the Vikings.

  2. krow101 says: Jul 6, 2011 10:48 AM

    I heard that Lord Zigy was demanding the “right of the first night” along with hundreds of millions from the taxpayers.

    He also wants all fans to be forbidden to look directly at him as a sign of respect.

    The serfs in Minnesota are giving his terms respectful consideration … as they should befitting their lowly status.

  3. sfloyal says: Jul 6, 2011 10:50 AM

    I really dislike this lockout. I’m so deprived of football, I’m here reading about the Vikings’ struggles to get a new stadium. FML.

  4. the4cannon's says: Jul 6, 2011 10:50 AM

    The L.A. Vikings sounds good to me. Canadians, i mean minnesotians are rediculously stupid. Your going to lose you your team over around 1oo million dollars of needed funding. Your team generates almost twice that per season. Approve public funding for a portion of your stadium or lose a ton of money every year. idiots!!!!

  5. tecmobowl34 says: Jul 6, 2011 10:52 AM

    Typical Minnesota. People there are far too selfish and stubborn to ever want to contribute to keeping their team. It’s why they don’t deserve it anymore, frankly.

  6. purplescar says: Jul 6, 2011 10:53 AM

    So long Vikings … so long NFL. It’s been nice knowing you.

  7. gdeli says: Jul 6, 2011 10:57 AM

    My sales taxes went up for the twins stadium I do not use. 6.5% to 7.25% Wow, implemented without a public vote, sounds like invading iraq to me. The public would have voted that one down too. We got screwed by the twins stadium. Gotta pay a lot of dough to see a game or you have to have cable to see it. Of course the wilf boys wanna run it through with no vote. They win, st. paul loses.

  8. bkidd81 says: Jul 6, 2011 11:01 AM

    The Vikings should get whatever they want. How soon the fans and people of Minnesoda forget. All the joy the Vikings gave them when they won all those super bow…. Oh, nevermind…

  9. nbcstinks says: Jul 6, 2011 11:03 AM

    Last chance Minnesota…if you let the Vikings move out of state you will have no one to blame but yourselves.

  10. realitypolice says: Jul 6, 2011 11:05 AM

    They should reject it.

    Any taxes levied to build stadiums should be usage taxes tied to stadium or team related products and services. Tickets, concessions, sales taxes on businesses that are certain to benefit from the stadium due to proximity, merchandise sales, etc.

    No taxpayer who has no interest in a new stadium nor stands to benefit from it in any tangible way should be responsible for it’s funding.

    Period.

  11. deeppurple23 says: Jul 6, 2011 11:08 AM

    It becomes pretty clear when a girl doesn’t want to go out on a date. That time has come for the Vikings and MN. Find someone who actually appreciates you.

  12. AlanSaysYo says: Jul 6, 2011 11:10 AM

    They have a point, but they’re only hurting themselves when they say their benefit is “tangential at best.” Let the Vikings leave for LA and then tell me the benefit was tangential.

  13. goawayeverybody says: Jul 6, 2011 11:11 AM

    Why don’t the Vikings just renovate the stadium they have?

  14. sterling7 says: Jul 6, 2011 11:17 AM

    As a life long resident of St. Paul MN and a frequent visitor to Arden Hills and a glutton for punishment as a lifelong diehard Minnesota Viking fan they can do away with this railway system they plan on building starting in 2014. None of the shop owners have the money to spruce up their businesses as this is strictly for aesthetics and politics. Build the stadium in Arden Hills. There is nothing but room in Arden Hills and even the powers that be there know the potential money to be made by building the Vikings stadium there. It’ll get built in Arden Hills, it’s just a question of when.

  15. vikefan says: Jul 6, 2011 11:19 AM

    fricken political retards, just wanna make it known to general public they are against raising taxes. coleman is as stupid as evey republican out there, i want them in my city but dont want my residents to have to pay for it, political idiots who only care bout themselves and trying to cover their butts for next election. think its time to vote every year so these idiots are voted out of office faster.

  16. indianheadmeatpackingcompany says: Jul 6, 2011 11:21 AM

    I wonder if the morons in St Paul understand the amount of money the team brings in through taxes and business for area businesses (i.e. pay role taxes, gas taxes, all the team merch., food, parking, and it goes on and on). No government should pay for a new stadium alone, but the government needs to invest some it because of the huge return they will get. No matter how good or bad a team is, a new stadium sells out for years. It’s like a teenager (the state) wishing it’s parents (the vikings) were dead. It’s sounds like a good idea at the time, but if they were to lose them they would be put in a position they wouldn’t much like.

  17. indianheadmeatpackingcompany says: Jul 6, 2011 11:23 AM

    And yes, I understand the government is shut down right now and there are lots of $$$ needs. But this will bring in large amounts of $ to the state each and every year. I didn’t even mention all the jobs that would be created and what do those jobs bring? More pay roll taxes, less unemployment payments, more money being spent in the area, which will also bring in more tax money.

  18. carlgerbschmidt says: Jul 6, 2011 11:25 AM

    I’m just sayin…

  19. brewdogg says: Jul 6, 2011 11:32 AM

    Translation: St.Paul wants the stadium to stay in Minneapolis, where they will benefit from close proximity but not have to bear the financial burden. Maybe someone should inform them about how much county sales tax revenue will be generated from each game. Last time I checked, they were part of Ramsey County, too….

  20. pkarm says: Jul 6, 2011 11:34 AM

    Just move the team to Los Angeles already.

  21. tdk24 says: Jul 6, 2011 11:43 AM

    St. Paul, you suck. I’m stuck paying taxes on the Twins stadium, I hate baseball. I never had a say in the matter. It’s only fair that you now pay for the Vikings. Hennepin County=gets stuff done. Ramsey County=whiners and crybabies and drags their feet.

  22. firemarshal1 says: Jul 6, 2011 11:47 AM

    Well, well education, healthcare, and infrastructure projects are more important than publicly financed NFL stadiums. Wow! We’re not becoming like the Romans. that’s refreshing, let the owners and players pay for the financing. It’s not like their poor. Am I correct. This public financing party needs to end. The poor and middle class can carry the rich anymore. Tax the wealthy.

  23. vadog says: Jul 6, 2011 11:53 AM

    Come on now, St. Paul!! I will contribute (if someone tells me how) and I don’t even live in Minnesota!! It would be a catastrophe for the Vikings to move out of the state of Minnesota!!

  24. lucky5934 says: Jul 6, 2011 11:55 AM

    Every set of twins always has an evil twin…

  25. swede700 says: Jul 6, 2011 12:00 PM

    It’s a pointless, political move by the City Council to try to appease the mayor. It’s 1 penny for every $10 spent. So, instead of that $20 you spend at McDonald’s, it’s now $20.02. I wish people would quit acting like it’s some huge burden on your pocketbook. If you don’t like it, buy your food at the grocery store (where you don’t pay sales taxes) instead of eating out.

  26. hobartbaker says: Jul 6, 2011 12:02 PM

    After studying the proposal, officials decided that it was too pale and washed out looking. Like it belonged in Seattle or something.

  27. jagmania65 says: Jul 6, 2011 12:02 PM

    “tangential”? What does citrus fruit have to do with a stadium?

  28. pkarm says: Jul 6, 2011 12:05 PM

    The nice thing about the Vikings moving is that it will improve the division by leaps and bounds and this group of under achievers will be someone else problem….maybe Farve can come back in the warm weather climate for them

  29. buhbay1c says: Jul 6, 2011 12:13 PM

    the4cannon’s says:
    The L.A. Vikings sounds good to me. Canadians, i mean minnesotians are rediculously stupid.

    Says the guy who isn’t bright enough to figure out the concept of spell check. Now that is “rediculous.” And I’m proud to be a “Minnesotian”. Wow, you are really smart cannon’s.

  30. mightymightylafootball says: Jul 6, 2011 12:15 PM

    indianheadmeatpackingcompany says:
    Jul 6, 2011 11:21 AM

    I wonder if the morons in St Paul understand the amount of money the team brings in through taxes and business for area businesses (i.e. pay role taxes, gas taxes, all the team merch., food, parking, and it goes on and on). No government should pay for a new stadium alone, but the government needs to invest some it because of the huge return they will get. No matter how good or bad a team is, a new stadium sells out for years. It’s like a teenager (the state) wishing it’s parents (the vikings) were dead. It’s sounds like a good idea at the time, but if they were to lose them they would be put in a position they wouldn’t much like.

    *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

    That’s a very slippery slope.

    Essentially, your argument rest on the premise that the taxpayers should contribute a portion of the costs for a business to set up shop and generate revenue, because the public will benefit from that private business revenue via taxes – yes?

    But where to draw the line? How about $1m to the new Home Depot or WalMart? $50k for the new local bar? $100 for the corner hotdog stand?

    By your reasoning, a revenue generating (and taxable) business should be supported by the taxpayers. Really? Or are you saying just the big businesses? What about a business that would employee far more people and generate much more revenue (e.g., an oil refinery)?

    Stop it. Business can sink or swim by its own merits – it shouldn’t rely on the support of government to “make it”. My proof? Plenty of them do succeed, everyday, multi-billion or one man shops.

  31. blackbelt4d says: Jul 6, 2011 12:18 PM

    As usual, the city of St. Paul is butthurt about something and is showing their massive Napoleon complex.

    How soon they forget that at least half the cost of their arena was paid for by people who live outside the city of St. Paul. The people who don’t live in St. Paul paid a disproportionate amount of the cost of the Xcel Energy Center, and clearly their benefit is tangential at best.

  32. chargerdillon says: Jul 6, 2011 12:19 PM

    Don’t know what you got till it’s gone.

    There’s people in San Diego, Jacksonville, Buffalo, and Minny all singing that same song

    one of us will be singing it for a lot longer than the rest, here’s to hoping it’s not my Chargers

  33. vikingsinla says: Jul 6, 2011 12:25 PM

    Los Angeles Vikings! WHOOOOOOT WHOOOOT!

  34. theytukrjobs says: Jul 6, 2011 12:26 PM

    St. Paul City council has no power over this proceeding, so their opposition is strictly a formality.

    All sales at and around the stadium that are dependant on the stadium being there rather than Hennepin will generate sales tax dollars to Ramsey that would otherwise go to Hennepin, so the benefit is a bit more than “tangential”. It can probably be estimated and calculated precisely how much extra money goes to Ramsey county. I believe that the sales tax was going to be county wide, right? That would make more sense. If it is strictly St. Paul then that is a bit unfair.

    Perhaps a state wide booze tax, as some have mentioned, could be implemented in addition to the sales tax to ease the burden.

  35. peacebringer says: Jul 6, 2011 12:28 PM

    just a bunch of noise. If Ramsey county commissioners impose something not much the city can do. It is the way it works.

  36. bcknights says: Jul 6, 2011 12:33 PM

    What in the HELL is going on in MN?

  37. kevinfromth says: Jul 6, 2011 12:46 PM

    Dear Fartboxes:

    We have bridges falling into the water. A tornado ripped apart our northside. We have, statewide, one of the most regressive tax structures in the country, and under a republican state assembly, that ain’t changing any time soon.

    It’s not that we Minnesotans don’t love our team, or don’t deserve it. It’s that you could just about fill the grand canyon with all the other stuff we have to take care of first.

    Heart,

    Minneapolis

  38. purpleman527 says: Jul 6, 2011 12:48 PM

    I always laugh at these stories about how the Vikings are going to L.A. and then the laughable comments from people on this blog about how stupid Minnesota is.

    The Vikings aren’t going anywhere.

    The Lakers left for L.A. The T-Wolves suck.

    The North Stars left for Dallas. The Wild suck.

    The Twins aren’t half bad, but suck this year.
    (Every year everyone in baseball said the Twins would be leaving, and then a stadium was built)

    Minnesota would be foolish to let the Vikings leave.
    It won’t happen.

  39. mndudeness says: Jul 6, 2011 12:53 PM

    7,500 construction jobs
    over 20% unemployment in construction industry
    3,400 full-time ongoing jobs
    $20million+ in tax revenue/yr
    keeping the vikings in MN and the NFC North
    = priceless

    Lets get it done MN!!

  40. bdickey33 says: Jul 6, 2011 12:59 PM

    firemarshal1 says:
    Jul 6, 2011 11:47 AM
    Well, well education, healthcare, and infrastructure projects are more important than publicly financed NFL stadiums. Wow! We’re not becoming like the Romans. that’s refreshing, let the owners and players pay for the financing. It’s not like their poor. Am I correct. This public financing party needs to end. The poor and middle class can carry the rich anymore. Tax the wealthy.
    ————————————————–

    Can you be any more clueless? How do you think you get better education, healthcare, and infastructure without revenue producing facilities in your county? You have to have a place where people want to be and want to spend money can get jobs for an area to survive the size of St. Paul/Minneapolis. Take away the entertainment and you take away revenue that is being used to pay teachers. By the way it is they are poor not their poor and there is a question mark after “Am I correct.” The answer to that question is “NO!”

  41. dafranchize says: Jul 6, 2011 1:00 PM

    Minnesota isn’t losing their team, this is nothing but a negotiation ploy by the state, it’s basically a starting point, this is what usually happens in stadium building projects. The county, city or state says we can’t afford it and then a bunch of nerdy CPA’s get together crunch some numbers and it all works out. Don’t worry Minny fans, the cesspool that is known as LA isn’t getting jack squat. The NFL has become the largest league in terms of dollars earned in the world and it has done it all with out Los Angeles. The NFL doesn’t need LA, LA needs the NFL. Remember that.

    At best they’re getting Spanos and that chump A.J. Smith along with 50 years of a losing history. AEG’s plan is actually just as bad as this if not worse yet people ignore it because it’s in the bright lights of HOLLYWOOD!

    Haha California can’t even afford to pay it’s EMT, firefighters and police officers how the #$@& are they gonna pay for a relocation of a convention center with no team destined for the city? Hahaha And the LA cholo’s who chant “The NFL is coming esa” could care less if their city is falling apart and one of the top 10 most broke cities in the country and their state is the #2 most broke in the country next to Illinois while 20% of the population lives under the poverty line (yet they can afford to be on PFT is beyond me), almost 20% unemployment and the city is dipping into emergency funds to pay it’s employees . And speaking of employees, LA has over 1400 people making over $200,000. LMFAO And this idiot state continues to fire teachers and make them take furlough’s to save money for the state. Haha The idiots of LA allow the city to pay for the 2010 Lakers parade, thats right folks, the entire city is flat broke yet the politicians don’t mind fitting a $1 million dollar bill. LA cholo’s expect you to believe they can afford to pay the $300 million dollar bond to relocate the convention center yet LA is so broke they can renovate the Coliseum for USC. That’s right, LA promised USC $60 million to renovate their home field yet they are so broke they can’t even afford $60 million. If the city of Los Angeles isn’t the definition of FAILURE then I don’t know what is.

    Good luck LA, and your entire state

  42. vetdana says: Jul 6, 2011 1:01 PM

    Unlike most of the readers of PFT….there is a whole lot of people in Minn.who think that the Sun does not rise and set on NFL Football.

  43. cuzidid42 says: Jul 6, 2011 1:03 PM

    The state of Minnesota is 5 billion dollars in debt. Emagine how much further in Debt, they are going to be when they lose the Vikings and the money that the Vikings generate.

  44. jimmysee says: Jul 6, 2011 1:17 PM

    realitypolice says:
    Jul 6, 2011 11:05 AM
    They should reject it.

    Any taxes levied to build stadiums should be usage taxes tied to stadium or team related products and services. Tickets, concessions, sales taxes on businesses that are certain to benefit from the stadium due to proximity, merchandise sales, etc.

    No taxpayer who has no interest in a new stadium nor stands to benefit from it in any tangible way should be responsible for it’s funding.

    Period.

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    I feel that way about congress funding wars and the military.

  45. duece5 says: Jul 6, 2011 1:22 PM

    All the blow hards that speak about that they…”are not going to be taxed any $$ to pay for a billionaire owner” HAVE NO CLUE OF WHAT THIS IS!!!

    What this is about is JOBS!!
    We need construction JOBS in Minnesota.
    We need retail related JOBS in Minnesota.
    We need hotel JOBS in Mineesota.
    We need restaurant JOBS in Minnesota.
    We need rail, taxi, travel-related JOBS in Minnesota.

    How do we as a community get back on our feet? It’s jobs!!!

    The few pennies for every $20 spent in the county is hardly going to put anyone in any poor house!!

    The government just can’t open up THE GOVERNMENT STORE, make millions of dollars to pay for the roads, the schools, the infrastructure. They do this by payroll taxes and JOBS.

    So when I hear let’s spend the $$$ on important things like schools and roads….I say EXACTLY!! But, you can’t build those without generated revenue, AND THE VIKINGS STADIUM WILL GENERATE REVENUE—TAXES DUE TO 7,000 CONSTRUCTION JOBS CREATED, AND ALL THE OTHER RELATED BUSINESSES MENTIONED ABOVE.

    People have to realize, you don’t move forward, at all, in generating any revenue with a depressed job base. MINNESOTA NEEDS THESE JOBS FOR REVENUE TAX GENERATION FOR SCHOOLS AND ROADS AND INFRASTRUCTURE!!!!

  46. jimmysee says: Jul 6, 2011 1:24 PM

    bdickey33 says:
    Jul 6, 2011 12:59 PM
    firemarshal1 says:
    Jul 6, 2011 11:47 AM
    Well, well education, healthcare, and infrastructure projects are more important than publicly financed NFL stadiums. Wow! We’re not becoming like the Romans. that’s refreshing, let the owners and players pay for the financing. It’s not like their poor. Am I correct. This public financing party needs to end. The poor and middle class can carry the rich anymore. Tax the wealthy.
    ————————————————–

    Can you be any more clueless? How do you think you get better education, healthcare, and infastructure without revenue producing facilities in your county? You have to have a place where people want to be and want to spend money can get jobs for an area to survive the size of St. Paul/Minneapolis. Take away the entertainment and you take away revenue that is being used to pay teachers. By the way it is they are poor not their poor and there is a question mark after “Am I correct.” The answer to that question is “NO!”

    ———————————————————

    You know, any other business, where there is activity every business day, the answer to your comment could be, “maybe.”

    A football stadium, which costs far far into nine figures, for 8 dates a year (ok, 10 counting exhibition games, maybe), the answer is clearly “no.”

  47. vikefan says: Jul 6, 2011 1:27 PM

    geez, funny i did not see any of you nay sayers bitchin on the news bout pawlenty and coleman kissing ford co. butts with tax breaks and incentives to try & keep the ford truck plant open in st. paul? i believe ford is in business to make $ right? and a few hundered layoffs coming from there in december, right? talking bout being biased!! Its ok to help ford, 3m, medtronic, best buy, but not Vikings, complete BS!!! this will get done. st. paul council just pulling a public dumb _ss stunt for their republican residents. very ironic how all of this got in the news B4 the fricken vote!!! for camera time.

  48. prior0knowledge says: Jul 6, 2011 1:35 PM

    Let’s get this straight. The taxpayers of MN are only being asked to provide the infrastructure around the stadium. Something they are usually responsible. Things like roads, water and sewer. Whenever a large business is being located in an area, it always asks for these things. Plus tax incentives are usually included when localities compete with each other. Check to see what Toyota got when they built their first factory in TN. Or what Boeing got when they moved out of Seattle, because Washington state kept squeezing them with higher taxes. If you want the high life-style that an NFL team brings, you have to cough up the green. If you want to remain country bumpkins, keep your money. Just don’t complain when they move.

  49. suckittrebek76 says: Jul 6, 2011 1:41 PM

    THERE IS NO ECONOMIC BENEFIT FOR THE TAXPAYERS WHO INVOLUNTARILY PAY FOR A STADIUM PRIMARILY USED BY A PRIVATE BUSINESS.

    If MOST residents in the twin cities want to help pay for the stadium, let them decide. Public Referendum is the way to go.

    Don’t give in Minnesota.

  50. phantomthebusybody says: Jul 6, 2011 1:48 PM

    buhbay1c says:
    Jul 6, 2011 12:13 PM
    the4cannon’s says:
    The L.A. Vikings sounds good to me. Canadians, i mean minnesotians are rediculously stupid.

    Says the guy who isn’t bright enough to figure out the concept of spell check. Now that is “rediculous.” And I’m proud to be a “Minnesotian”. Wow, you are really smart cannon’s.

    _________________

    I thought phantom was the grammar cop?

    By the way, where is he on this story? Interesting that he’s not around to comment when the city that would benefit most from the new stadium says “No thank you.”

  51. kqole25 says: Jul 6, 2011 2:34 PM

    While St. Paul and Arden Hills argue over who should get the stadium, Zygi and troops are loading trucks bound for L.A.

    Serioulsy people! I guess it’s not surprising that the state government is shut down.

  52. Little Earthquake says: Jul 6, 2011 3:18 PM

    Vikings aren’t going to LA.

    LA will be lucky if it ever gets another team. Couldn’t support the Rams and Raiders both of whom took the first bus out of town as soon as they could.

    Not because “there’s more to do” as some people say. There isn’t. They just have lame fans.

  53. vikefan says: Jul 6, 2011 3:27 PM

    THERE IS NO ECONOMIC BENEFIT FOR THE TAXPAYERS WHO INVOLUNTARILY PAY FOR A STADIUM PRIMARILY USED BY A PRIVATE BUSINESS.

    If MOST residents in the twin cities want to help pay for the stadium, let them decide. Public Referendum is the way to go.

    Don’t give in Minnesota
    __________________________________
    You are truly as dumb as they come. Lets not give any breaks to any businesses, best buy, 3m, medtronic, united health, delta, target, on & on. Lets tax the crap out of all of em for doing business here. Ya know what moron, in less than 5 years they will ALL be in north or south dakota where taxes are minimal and there will be NO fricken jobs left here!!!! THATS what your dumb _ss idea will get you!!!!

  54. klundg says: Jul 6, 2011 3:30 PM

    Again, why are we using taxpayer money to fund stadiums for millionaires and billionaires?
    If I were an owner, I would build it myself or create a vendor to manage the building after building it.
    Private run business always do better than the Government. Let private enterprise do the job here.
    Minnesota/Wisconson is in trouble for exactly these reasons.

  55. mikel119 says: Jul 6, 2011 3:31 PM

    pay higher taxes to build a bigger stadium to sellout so the games will be BLACKED OUT.. yeah good idea?

  56. klundg says: Jul 6, 2011 3:35 PM

    And then let the tax coffers fill with the revenue generated by a private business.

  57. vikefan says: Jul 6, 2011 3:39 PM

    its not a bigger stadium for geneal seats but for luxury suites to help the owners be more profitable & to keep pace WITH ALL OF THE OTHER NEW OR RENOVATED STADIUMS IN THE LEAGUE, we are DEAD LAST IN REVENUE, if you want a winning product on the field, you need more revenue and that is what the stadium is designed to do, add more luxury business suites like all of the other new or renovated stadiums have.

  58. vikefan says: Jul 6, 2011 3:42 PM

    …….and if you want to see a blacked out game (which has not happed in 13 years), buy a ticket, if you cant, sorry. If u live in ramsey co. you would have a legit complainet cause you are paying taxes for it, if you dont live there, you dont have a gripe.

  59. childressrulz says: Jul 6, 2011 3:44 PM

    I hope the vikings will stay put but I don’t see why tax payers pay for ANY portion of any stadium. Businesses can either make it or not. Maybe NFL stadiums shouldn’t be so big and then the owners could justify their prices for seats (not sure there is any justification for those prices).

  60. klundg says: Jul 6, 2011 3:44 PM

    vikefan;
    I feel your pain. My Broncos were in the same boat, and despite my objections, the new stadium was built with taxpayer funds. Shameful really.
    Now the new stadium doesn’t have that feel, and they now fail to sell out every game. AND the Broncos went to more losses than wins, in their own stadium.
    If they want to build, I say good on em. Start building, start hiring and reap your own rewards for your own investment. In the end as succesfull the stadium might be, the tax coffers will swell on the end, instead of deflating from the start.

  61. vikefan says: Jul 6, 2011 4:08 PM

    I feel your pain. My Broncos were in the same boat, and despite my objections, the new stadium was built with taxpayer funds. Shameful really.
    Now the new stadium doesn’t have that feel, and they now fail to sell out every game. AND the Broncos went to more losses than wins, in their own stadium.
    If they want to build, I say good on em. Start building, start hiring and reap your own rewards for your own investment. In the end as succesfull the stadium might be, the tax coffers will swell on the end, instead of deflating from the start
    _________________________________
    while your new stadium may not have the “feel” as old mile high stadium (and that place was fun, i was there a couple of times), the metrodome does not have or never had any “feel for anyone”. it was built as a multi-use facility for baseball, football, etc and because of that sterilized all that played there. while it is cool when “the dome is a rockin”, and the noise can help home team, its not like old met stadium. it was very sterile from the get go in the 80’s and has gotten terribly worse with time.

  62. cosmoman11 says: Jul 6, 2011 4:09 PM

    Although having an NFL team may make a city feel better emotionally, there are many studies coming out that disprove the belief that there is an economic benefit. Over the long haul the citizens pay more than they get in return.

  63. turbodog1027 says: Jul 6, 2011 4:11 PM

    The NFL is not like any other business. There are 32 very lucky cities and many more that would kill for the opportunity to call themselves an NFL city. Destination/ tourism dominated economies such as New Orleans and Miami benefit greatly from having an NFL team. I can tell you that in New Orleans, every home game has about 10,000 – 20,000 visiting team fans spending money in the french quarter having a good time. The Saints are vital to the New Orleans economy. Would that economic boon translate to a region such as St. Paul???

  64. thephantomstranger says: Jul 6, 2011 5:40 PM

    phantomthebusybody says:
    Jul 6, 2011 1:48 PM
    buhbay1c says:
    Jul 6, 2011 12:13 PM
    the4cannon’s says:
    The L.A. Vikings sounds good to me. Canadians, i mean minnesotians are rediculously stupid.

    Says the guy who isn’t bright enough to figure out the concept of spell check. Now that is “rediculous.” And I’m proud to be a “Minnesotian”. Wow, you are really smart cannon’s.

    _________________

    I thought phantom was the grammar cop?

    By the way, where is he on this story? Interesting that he’s not around to comment when the city that would benefit most from the new stadium says “No thank you.”
    ___________________

    First, grammar isn’t the same as spelling. Why doesn’t anyone understand that? Second, I’ve been saying all along that St. Paul does NOT benefit at all from a stadium in Arden Hills so it isn’t fair to make St. Paul residents pay the bulk of the cost.

    Finally, I was at the Twins game today at beautiful Target Field, the stadium that nobody wanted and now no one can find a bad word to say about it, if you must know. Why don’t you mind your own business?

  65. pkarm says: Jul 6, 2011 9:02 PM

    As much as the other fans in the division would love to see Minnesota move I believe we are going to be stuck with the fair weather fans for a number of years over there

  66. phantomthebusybody says: Jul 6, 2011 9:28 PM

    thephantomstranger says:Jul 6, 2011 5:40 PM

    Finally, I was at the Twins game today at beautiful Target Field, the stadium that nobody wanted and now no one can find a bad word to say about it, if you must know. Why don’t you mind your own business?
    ____

    Ha. How’d your twins do?

  67. thephantomstranger says: Jul 7, 2011 10:48 AM

    phantomthebusybody says:
    Jul 6, 2011 9:28 PM
    thephantomstranger says:Jul 6, 2011 5:40 PM

    Finally, I was at the Twins game today at beautiful Target Field, the stadium that nobody wanted and now no one can find a bad word to say about it, if you must know. Why don’t you mind your own business?
    ____

    Ha. How’d your twins do?
    _____________

    In the immortal words of Meatloaf, “two out of three ain’t bad.”

  68. tipdrill84 says: Jul 7, 2011 9:06 PM

    Would hate to see them go, but my fantasy team and NFL Redzone aint a bad substitute.

  69. klundg says: Jul 7, 2011 10:07 PM

    [quote] vadog says: Jul 6, 2011 11:53 AM Come on now, St. Paul!! I will contribute (if someone tells me how) and I don’t even live in Minnesota!! It would be a catastrophe for the Vikings to move out of the state of Minnesota!![/quote]

    Did you write that check yet?
    That was big of you. Now no one had to worry about it, a good upstanding citizen like you stepped up. I’m not a Vike fan, but I’m sure all Vike fans thank you.
    You da MAN!7

  70. klundg says: Jul 7, 2011 10:25 PM

    Vikefan:
    “Its not a bigger stadium for geneal seats but for luxury suites to help the owners be more profitable & to keep pace WITH ALL OF THE OTHER NEW OR RENOVATED STADIUMS IN THE LEAGUE, we are DEAD LAST IN REVENUE, if you want a winning product on the field, you need more revenue and that is what the stadium is designed to do, add more luxury business suites like all of the other new or renovated stadiums have.”

    If they are dead last in revenue, does that automatically justify further investment? Wall Street would run away from that fast. Taxpayers, regardless of what form, should not be stuck with financing a venue that only a small portion of the population will ever enjoy.
    C’ mon, its not like they are the NBA. They are extremely profitable. If they want Government involvement, they should offer incentives on the front end, by lowering corporate tax, which historically, creates more revenue on the back end.
    WIN/WIN

  71. calvikefan1 says: Jul 8, 2011 12:41 AM

    Unbelievable ! They didn’t get a stadium when times were good and apparently they aren’t going to get one now. I love the Vikings and wish for them to stay in Minnesota. BUT! , I would not blame Ziggy one bit if he moved or sold the team for relocation in L.A . You people up their in Minny have some waking up to do !

  72. ruvelligwebuike says: Jul 8, 2011 1:04 PM

    I would bet the majority of the people who say, “No more taxes. Why should I pay for a billionaire’s stadium?” have no idea what taxes really are.

    You do realize that 49% of Americans pay 0 income tax or get money back right? It’s truly the saddest thing on earth, and we see it every day. Married couples…guy makes $50,000, wife makes $15,000 part time with a mortgage and a kid. They pay 10% of their check into Fed and State tax and get a $4000 refund at the end of the year. Then they vote Democrat so their evil business owner can pay more because they shouldn’t have to shoulder the load…even though they’ve actually contributed 0 to society.

  73. mreffs420 says: Jul 9, 2011 2:48 AM

    and yet minnesota is one of the biggest welfare states in the country. millions of dollars in govt money given away to immigrants/trailer trash that have children they can’t support, and to people who just don’t try to get a job because why should they? minnesota will give you money. socially, i have a few liberal leanings but where’s the line?

    after the govt shutdown there was an article in the local paper about how a lady from the twin cities was missing out on $3600 PER MONTH in govt child care subsidies for her EIGHT kids she otherwise can’t support.

    but as soon as something like this comes along, where eventually the govt would see a return on money they’re dishing out, then suddenly it’s just not acceptable. i’m starting to dislike my home state as much as some of the cheeseheads on this site.

    even though sometimes being a vikes fan is like being in an abusive relationship (calm down it’s a joke), i still love rooting for my team. if they leave i’ll be done with them and done with this stupid state and the children that “govern” it.

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