Boylan will meet with players and owners again on July 19

AP

Earlier this morning, Florio wondered if progress can be made in labor talks without mediator Arthur Boylan present.  Perhaps Boylan doesn’t think so.

Daniel Kaplan of the SportsBusiness Journal reports that Boylan will “require” players and the league to meet with him July 19 in Minnesota, once he’s done playing beach football.

Kaplan points out that the meeting won’t stop the players and owners from meeting on their own next week. In theory, the two sides could reach a deal which would seem to make the meeting unnecessary.  Or . . .

“That could mean Boylan does not think there will be a deal until july 19 at the earliest,” Kaplan writes.

42 responses to “Boylan will meet with players and owners again on July 19

  1. Now really – what can this Magistrate – about as green of a “mediator” as Judge Suzy – really do to force a settlement?

    Ok – everbody sit up while we call the roll. And yes, thank you – I have a lovely vacation in Ireland.

  2. We need to cool these guys off. How about a patented Rex Ryan foot rub. Or maybe a Mark Sanchez pool party (sorry check that, I forgot he has a 17 and under policy at his place).

  3. What a joke. That lame state has a bunch of assclowns for judges. First its Judge Duty followed by Judge Judy and now we have a Judge who goes on vacation until July 19 in the middle of negotiations. No wonder everyone hates that dumbass State.

  4. Its looking to me like at least 2 preseason games will be lost. No big deal to me, but I hope that the realization that the longer this drags on, the more money that will be lost, will light a fire under everyone involved in this.

  5. I’m 100% convince that the Ruling made yesterday and Boylan on Vacation to return on the 19th only means there will be no agreement unitl we have lost 8 games of the REGULAR SEASON! Sorry, but it’s sad that they couldn’t get this done and want to let the courts decide. The NFL as we know if will be forever changed and will never be the same. Brady’s anti-trust case will continue and once that case get’s legs a Settlement will happen which will be at least 3-4 months from now. Friday was the worse day since this began and a truly telling sign to where we are headed. It’s also my opinion that there is a 50% chance that we might lose the entire season as the Brady’s Anti-Trust case might go the distance as the NFL gambles in court over this case.

  6. Boylan needs a 10 day vacation for being at negotiations only 2 days a week for 3 weeks…wow

  7. And preseason games are like a month away? They need to get it done now, no more games, just get it done!

  8. according to Sal Palantino they will get this done this week,he was the only positive one yesterday,an everything he said has been spot on….,…. so i’m going with his word over anybody

  9. @sampetros…

    To my knowledge, there’s nothing in the Eighth Circuit’s opinion that changes—for the time being, at least—the negotiating landscape. Stated somewhat differently, neither side gained leverage at this time. So, other than the time it took the lawyers to read the opinion, there should have been no delay resulting from that ruling.

    Next week the owners and players must make an all-out effort to meet at the middle ground of each of the remaining significant issues. The key to unlocking the lockout is compromise by BOTH sides. If, for whatever reason, either or both sides decide to entrench, then revenue loss will eventually be realized. I can’t see these parties—the owners, in particular—allowing that to happen.

  10. It’s becoming apparent that DeMaurice Smith was right in late June when he told players not to buy into hype that a deal was “close”.

    Nothing has changed with the owners’ offer for a revenue split since March – they want something around 55%+. I don’t think their plans have changed either. They seem to believe that the players won’t move significantly until they start missing game paychecks in September and will carry the lockout through until that happens. Smith was right, and all this optimism about a deal is as phony as the owners’ supposed offer to take 52%-53.5% of revenue (promptly rescinded).

    The players have little skin in the game right now. Except for UDFAs and practice squad members, the $ they make in the pre-season are a pittance, and the owners realize it.

    The overwhelming majority of players have known this was coming for 2 years, and if they are prepared as I think they are, nothing significant will change in their position come September or October. They’re willing to give up 5% in revenue, but not 8-10%.

    The problem is by early October we’ll be looking at cancellation of the entire season. The recent decision by the 8th Circuit, suggesting that a new injunction against the lockout impacting only players not currently under contract would pass the NLGA test could, but probably won’t, push the owners to take something less than 55%.

    I’ll admit I was fooled when word on the 52/48 split was leaked (apparently by the owners who had no intention of really being that generous). If it was genuine, if the owners really weren’t sincerely willing to burn the entire 2011 season, we’d have a handshake deal right now. It’s going to take 1-2 weeks after the handshake to get the court to approve a settlement, re-certify the union, and have a CBA signed. As of yesterday, 2 weeks puts us into training camp time for teams who would play in the Hall of Fame bowl.

    The owners are the only party to these negotiations that care about the pre-season. If they’re willing to light a billion dollars on fire to get a better deal, they’re willing to do the same with the regular season.

    It would be amusing if the NFLPA went back to court and got a new injunction against the lockout, but we all know that would get appealed again. It’s unlikely it would be resolved in time for a 2011 season (early-mid October).

    Maybe the 8th Circuit ruling, which specifically did not rule the lockout was legal (something the owners asked for in their brief and in oral argument) and therefore subject to treble damages in the overall Brady antitrust case, really will sink in and the owners will capitulate this week. I doubt it, though. If the players are willing to take 52/48 now, they’ll be willing to take it in June 2012 too. Therefore, the threat of treble damages is ultimately an empty one.

    Brady will eventually get settled; just not in time for football this year.

  11. The presiding judge needs to fire Boylan immediately for dereliction (pardon spelling) of duty and immediatly replace him or declare an impass and cease mediation and let the parties fight it out in court.

    Boylan going on vacation at this critical juncture is like the president declaring war on a country and then sending all his top generals on a fun filled vacation to the French Riviera.

    It makes no sense!

  12. The should just move the proceedings to a beach in the Caribbean so there won’t be all these scheduling conflicts. Everyone would show up and everyone would be in a good mood. Suits (bathing) optional.

  13. Fall is beautiful time of year. It won’t be hard to find something better to do than sit on my ass and watch football.

  14. Their sense of urgency is so disgustingly nonexistent that it’s starting to rub off on me. I’m not in hurry to attend and watch games anymore.

  15. I think he’s going on vacation, because he realizes a deal is immanent and his presence is no longer needed. The NFL will open camps on time. Too much money to be lost to let it drag through the ridiculous court system. The meeting on the 19th is just a formality so the judge can lecture both sides on the foolishness of allowing this thing to go on the way it did. Friday’s ruling means nothing at this point. The players had anticipated the ruling. Don’t be such a negative Nancy, and work on your grammar if you want to be taken seriously. (you’re 100% convinced, get doesn’t own any legs, settlement isn’t a person’s name or the name of a city, and you obviously don’t know what you’re saying).

  16. While this certainly isn’t good news, I am not sure how bad it is.

    I’m having a very hard time believing that Boylan is the reason for the progress that has occurred over the last couple of weeks.

    I refuse to believe that the high powered litigators on one side and the high powered businessmen on the other are feeling a tremendous amount of pressure from this mediator. Why would they?

    In fact, now that the 8th Circuit has ruled, what power does he have? He can’t threaten to run to the 8th and tell them that the sides aren’t negotiating in good faith- they’ve made their decision.

    I don’t think there is any significance to the date other than that is when he is coming back to work. The sides are still free to make an agreement whenever they choose.

    I am far more concerned about the report about the owners potentially digging in their heels about the rookie wage scale.

  17. They shouldn’t need Boylan to get a deal done. If it turns out they can’t, this will take weeks longer than it should have. What a joke this whole process has been.

  18. Thanks for nothing Boylan. Talks will have been blown up by then. Like a parent you dont leave two feuding children to their own devices. Everything they do will be geared to piss the other off, if they dont get their way.

    Boylan the parent, NFL and the players the two children. I expect De Smith and the players to stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming “I cant hear you”.

  19. I am getting to the point where I am done with the NFL. It makes me sick that here we are in crunch time and all GODell and DE DUMB@#$ can only sit down 2 days a week to work this thing out.

    It makes me sick. I think about the folks that work at the Stadiums around the NFL, many of them depend on the games for extra income to get by and these greedy you know what’s can only work 2 days a week to get this resolved.

    Once upon a time I used to think each side cared about the game but alas it is all about greed, all of them, the owners, players and now former players. They are all a bunch of greedy #$%^#$#% that take us the fans for granted.

    I used to get excited around this time of year because my season tickets would be arriving soon and preseason would be about to start in a matter of weeks. Funny thing is I have no excitement this year and honestly I don’t even really care about what happens anymore.

    Thanks for destroying the game but hey at least you only have 2 day work weeks right?

  20. I’m beginning to wish the entire preseason is cancelled just so these ass-clowns all lose money.

    They don’t care one whit about us, the fans, so why not return the favor?

  21. At the end of the day, who cares about the pre season games? As long as the REGULAR season starts on time Ill be fine.

    ITS SUMMER, GO CAMPING!

  22. what a joke. first we’ve got 3 communist judges. Than happy the clown….. Little D Maurice whatever. Now a part time when ever. Only the players and the fans suffer. This is why Unions are down 20% over the last 5 years.

  23. There’s a $9.3 billion dollar paycheck waiting for everyone involved and these guys figure two days a week is the fair amount of time to invest in EARNING it. Pathetic.

  24. Stop clinging to the idea that both sides have a lot to lose if pre-season games are missed. It should be clear by now that they don’t care about that money, or saving the pre-season.

  25. So judge Boylan isn’t a football fan then? If it was me, I’d be giddy at the opportunity to help get this deal done!

  26. I dont see how all this can come together before training camp. I don’t see either side all sudden changing their position. Only this happens if players end up broke. Very sad with popularity at all time high.

  27. Maybe the 8th Circuit ruling, which specifically did not rule the lockout was legal (something the owners asked for in their brief and in oral argument) and therefore subject to treble damages in the overall Brady antitrust case, really will sink in and the owners will capitulate this week. I doubt it, though. If the players are willing to take 52/48 now, they’ll be willing to take it in June 2012 too. Therefore, the threat of treble damages is ultimately an empty one.

    I’m not sure how you drew the conclusion in your last sentence.

    If the 2011 season is lost, the players would collectively lose $4 Billion. If those losses are ruled as part of an anti-trust violation, they are trebled.

    It’s the furthest thing from an empty threat.

  28. I believe college football ratings will go through the roof. I like college football, not close to as much as nfl. This will be the perfect time for a playoff system for college football.

  29. Sayre Bedinger says:
    So judge Boylan isn’t a football fan then? If it was me, I’d be giddy at the opportunity to help get this deal done!

    All parties would be best served if Boylan ISN’T a football fan. It’s better if a neutral, non-interested person oversees the talks.

    Not saying this to be a jerk, but Boylan and his family are entitled to take their vacation as planned. He doesn’t owe it to the owners, players, or fans, and frankly no one should be posting or acting as if it’s owed to them.

  30. [i]I’m not sure how you drew the conclusion in your last sentence.

    If the 2011 season is lost, the players would collectively lose $4 Billion. If those losses are ruled as part of an anti-trust violation, they are trebled.

    It’s the furthest thing from an empty threat.[/i]

    Because any deal the sides eventually make will include a settlement to the ongoing Brady case. Also because the process of going through the trial and appeal process of a federal antitrust lawsuit takes years.

    The case will be settled long before then.

  31. “what a joke. first we’ve got 3 communist judges. Than happy the clown….. Little D Maurice whatever. Now a part time when ever. Only the players and the fans suffer. This is why Unions are down 20% over the last 5 years.”

    I have no clue why, but this made me laugh really hard.

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