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Monday’s labor talks will be lawyer only

Roger Goodell, DeMaurice Smith, AP

Next week’s labor talks will start with a similar structure to the last two weeks: The lawyers will start face-to-face work on Monday.  Albert Breer of NFL Network reports that owners and players are expected to arrive Tuesday or Wednesday.

This news comes on the heels of two days of talks described as frustrating with “little progress” made on Friday.  Florio reports a stalemate has arisen over the rookie wage scale.

It remains to be seen whether this slowed progress is an inevitable part of the process, or a hint this could still drag on a while.  We’ll say it again: No matter how “close” we hear things are and how much progress has been made, closing the deal is the hardest part.

Timetables continued to be guessed at publicly and adjusted.  Optimism remains.

I try to remember that even Roger Goodell and DeMaurice Smith don’t know how or when this will end.  So how can anyone else?

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  1. friendlylittletrees says: Jul 9, 2011 10:11 AM

    Rookie wage scale should be something that vets and owners both want… I wonder what the hold up is there…?

  2. dempsey63 says: Jul 9, 2011 10:13 AM

    “We’ll say it again: No matter how ‘close’ we hear things are and how much progress has been made, closing the deal is the hardest part.”

    It’s petty, yes, but the waiting is the hardest part.

  3. clintonrb says: Jul 9, 2011 10:16 AM

    nice,just wonderful
    when will these guys give a damn

  4. derekjetersmansion says: Jul 9, 2011 10:18 AM

    I think everyone is pretty sure this is ending Friday. If it isn’t, then why take off the weekend?

  5. drgfri says: Jul 9, 2011 10:23 AM

    And Mark Sanchez’s Monday party will be High School girls only.

  6. vetdana says: Jul 9, 2011 10:26 AM

    July 15 ….is getting Real close !…After that…the dominoes start to fall, in terms of lost revenue !Like any drug therapy….you have to weigh the benefits against the risks….and this whole labor dispute is about to enter the “risk ” stage.

  7. waldoampere says: Jul 9, 2011 10:30 AM

    What a shame that the lockout may hinge on a group of people who haven’t actually been affiliated with the league yet. If I were an NFL veteran I wouldn’t care what the new CBA says about rookies.

  8. willycents says: Jul 9, 2011 10:33 AM

    Lawyers deservedly have a bad name. However, IF you need to hire a lawyer for whatever reason, are you going to hire a really “nice” guy attorney or the lowest life, crookedest(sp?), meanest sob available that will win for you? the lowest life version gets hired every time. Just saying…..

  9. thephantomstranger says: Jul 9, 2011 10:34 AM

    I try to remember that even Roger Goodell and DeMaurice Smith don’t know how or when this will end. So how can anyone else?
    ________

    Apparently, you haven’t been reading the comments on PFT articles. Nudeman, purpleman527, and ilovesportsandsurfing all know that it’s going to end in mid-September. I’m sticking with July 15 for now, but I’ll at least admit it’s just a guess.

  10. tomsd1 says: Jul 9, 2011 10:36 AM

    This will end when the owners want it to end.

  11. mvpanthersfan11 says: Jul 9, 2011 10:39 AM

    Bahaha I swear it seems like they don’t want to get this thing done

  12. gdeli says: Jul 9, 2011 10:39 AM

    crap

  13. apdaddy77 says: Jul 9, 2011 10:39 AM

    This is so frustrating. Why is it so difficult to get the guys in a room together for more than two days at a time? They should work through the weekend like everybody else, solve their differences, and get a deal done to avoid losing millions of dollars. Instead, Boylan is taking his family to Wally World, while Smith and Goodell sit at home with anus thumb. What else can possibly be on these people’s schedules that is more important than this. Im losing patience as im sure alot of other fans are. We are being taken for granted and im not happy about it. It wont leave my mind for a long time regardless of when it gets worked out.

  14. goawayeverybody says: Jul 9, 2011 10:39 AM

    I think July 15th should be the new deadline. Not for the players and owners to make a new deal. For the fans to tell the NFL to piss off if they haven’t made one by then!

  15. Rhode Island Patriots Fan says: Jul 9, 2011 10:47 AM

    Assuming that what I read elsewhere is accurate in that the players may be open to replacing judicial oversight on the next CBA with arbitration, then the owners should make some concessions relative to the rookie wage scale. Perhaps the owners can get five-year deals for first rounders PROVIDED they agree to injury guarantees. Compromise is the key to unlocking the lockout. Let’s settle this labor dispute next week, gentlemen. NFL fans are anxious to watch the Patriots square off against the Packers in Super Bowl XLVI in Indianapolis.

  16. JohnnySinns says: Jul 9, 2011 10:50 AM

    did anyone picture the final scene of Animal Farm, where the pigs are sitting a table around playing cards and smoking, when they read the headline?

  17. rambo08 says: Jul 9, 2011 11:17 AM

    So players and owners are going to arrive more than likely on Wednesday, do two days of negotiations, and leave early Friday morning for the weekend? Give me a break.

  18. tomsd1 says: Jul 9, 2011 11:32 AM

    For all the optomists out there – who think this will get settled soon – I disagree – and think the owners still haven’t finished working over the players. :)

  19. ytsejamer1 says: Jul 9, 2011 11:39 AM

    Agree with the first poster’s comment…the rookie wage scale should be the easiest possible thing on the table here…why is it causing a hold up. One would think with veteran and retired players at the table, it would have been one of the first things worked out to get the ball rolling.

    The only thing I can think of is that perhaps the owners are trying to see if they can lock rookies up for five or six years rather than four years for the first round players. If this is the case, it’s a lame grab by the owners at the last minute.

  20. ytsejamer1 says: Jul 9, 2011 11:49 AM

    I just read the earlier post about the rookie wage scale…guess that answers the question. LAME move by owners trying to stick rookies to longer contracts.

    Just get the rookie scale in place so that teams picking players at the top, don’t get further hamstrung for years and years. That will open up opportunities for all teams with good players coming into free agency sooner. The ones that earn it, good for them. The ones that are busts…good bye and the team isn’t behind the 8-ball.

    Jesus…does this mentality just not register with the people in the room? I think PFT should send a contingent of fans from the outside and bust up their little meeting and make this happen.

  21. rolandsloan says: Jul 9, 2011 12:44 PM

    Seems like the fans are the only people anxious
    to get this settled….The NFL and the players….Whenever…..

  22. Patriot42 says: Jul 9, 2011 12:45 PM

    I am beginning to care less about the whole mess.

  23. dc723 says: Jul 9, 2011 12:48 PM

    Same old song and dance…these guys have NO sense of urgency and are certainly not committed enough to working out a deal…if so, we’d see some work outside of bankers hours.

  24. thephantomstranger says: Jul 9, 2011 12:58 PM

    Rhode Island Patriots Fan, you had me until that last sentence. Good comment, but I had to give you a thumbs down.

  25. purpleman527 says: Jul 9, 2011 1:02 PM

    thephantomstranger says:
    Jul 9, 2011 10:34 AM
    I try to remember that even Roger Goodell and DeMaurice Smith don’t know how or when this will end. So how can anyone else?
    ________

    Apparently, you haven’t been reading the comments on PFT articles. Nudeman, purpleman527, and ilovesportsandsurfing all know that it’s going to end in mid-September. I’m sticking with July 15 for now, but I’ll at least admit it’s just a guess.
    ———————————————–

    First, I want to thank thephantomstranger for at least pointing out that several of us believe that this is not close to being resolved.

    However, I have NEVER stated a date for when this ends. Personally, I’ve been saying there won’t even be a 2011 NFL season. And I admit that I don’t know anything, or claim to have some source somewhere. All the sources have been wrong.

    My assessment comes from the following three points:

    1. The Owner’s believe they were screwed on the last CBA.
    2. DE “The Finger” Smith and the players flipped the owners the bird by decertifying. You don’t take that position if a “deal is close”
    3. The Finger, has said on several occassions that a deal isn’t close. Yet, sports reporters ignore it and report/hope that a deal is close

    Since both sides have generally dug in to their stances, significant progress is unlikely.

    This is a clusterfudge and I don’t know when both sides will determine that they have had enough.

    At least my position has been accurate, while sports reporters are saying silly things like a deal is close with no reality to back it up.

  26. dave1961 says: Jul 9, 2011 1:32 PM

    fans need to start filing lawsuits against the owners for collecting season ticket fees for a season they’ve locked fans out of… create havoc in the courts for the owners. It should be illegal for one penny of money to collected from fans under the current lockout status… you can not charge for a season you say may not happen as owners.

    And to the three clowns who decided to issue a ruling to screw up labor negotations…. thanks alot u three jackasses.

  27. Soulman45 says: Jul 9, 2011 2:48 PM

    Where is my fell good story for today.
    I need my fix.

  28. kilo0986 says: Jul 9, 2011 2:55 PM

    Well s%!t, the owners have themselves to blame from the start for giving the rooks all that money from the start. It looks like every year they try to outdo each other to see who can gamble the most money, and now they try to.take it out on everyone

  29. yourqbjustgotsuhed says: Jul 9, 2011 3:03 PM

    I hope the owners win. I think the players are WAY overpaid. I want to see the NFL just as much as everyone, but if they can’t come to an agreement it’s their loss of money not mine. I’ll watch more college football instead. Those players are underpaid. Keep squeezing them owners!

  30. Sayre Bedinger says: Jul 9, 2011 3:29 PM

    It’s that darn Von Miller, trying to get his! ;)

  31. tommyf15 says: Jul 9, 2011 3:59 PM

    dave1961 says:
    fans need to start filing lawsuits against the owners for collecting season ticket fees for a season they’ve locked fans out of…

    What’s stopping you?

    The teams made the fans an offer- buy season tickets if you want, and if games are cancelled they’d refund the money plus interest. Some fans took them up on the offer, and some didn’t.

    Hardly seems like something to get upset over.

  32. gimmeabruschi says: Jul 9, 2011 4:07 PM

    Everybody knows when it will end. That is, when time runs out and real money could be lost. Think “greed” and it will all become crystal clear.

  33. tomsd1 says: Jul 9, 2011 4:13 PM

    The owners are just starting to play hardball – but they too are at fault for giving the huge contracts – trying to steal a Super Bowl trophy, etc.

  34. jersey73 says: Jul 9, 2011 6:40 PM

    The one thing both sides will agree on: BILLABLE HOURS!!!

  35. bigvinnyinjax says: Jul 9, 2011 7:12 PM

    It amazes me that there is no sense of urgency.
    The millionaire players and billionaire owners are apparently not interested in ended this travesty.

    The greatest and most succesful game in America has been ruined by the greed of American lawyers. Sort of seems appropriate.

    twitter.com/vincenthale

  36. tomsd1 says: Jul 9, 2011 8:07 PM

    Didn’t the Players’ attorney’s make a statement they are on a fixed fee or some such?

  37. tomsd1 says: Jul 9, 2011 9:43 PM

    You might also say – The Owners are determined to restore some order – since the last CBA permitted the inmates to run the asylum. :)

  38. darrelb says: Jul 9, 2011 10:32 PM

    Do we need any more proof that lawyers will screw anything up?

  39. weber9152000 says: Jul 9, 2011 11:20 PM

    NFL Deal is done !!

    now the lawyers need to basiclly put it into words on monday and tuesday the owners and players will look it over and sign the new CBA Deal.

    The players and owners are not stupid, they understand they will lose millions just by missing one preseason game, they are not in this business to lose money, they are in it to make money..both parties.

    If you just made a huge deal, would you run out saying so ? or would you wait till you have offical sign the paper saying so..

    There is a CBA DEAL in place, they just havent let the cat out of the bag.

  40. tomsd1 says: Jul 10, 2011 12:28 AM

    Here we go again. Somebody claiming roses. Must have it on iron clad authority that the deal i done, eh? Probably from an Agent. Yahoooooo!!!

    And hey – don’t just blame the lawyers. They are merely the spear carriers.

    And DeMaurice – The Finger – sold the Players a bill of goods that their future was better in the courts.

    HOGWASH.

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