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		<title>By: tommyf15</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/11/a-simple-solution-to-the-rookie-scale-stalemate/#comment-1121423</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tommyf15]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2011 00:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;db3300 says:
Baseball has still not recovered from the fans’ apathy over the 1994 strike. &lt;/i&gt;

Wrong. You may want this to be true, but it just isn&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>db3300 says:<br />
Baseball has still not recovered from the fans’ apathy over the 1994 strike. </i></p>
<p>Wrong. You may want this to be true, but it just isn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: db3300</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 23:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#039; Cue the complaints from those who oddly view this site but don’t care about seeing a football season, only that the owner’s “win”. &#039;

I come to this site because I live and breath the game. I also want the owners to &quot;win&quot; because I&#039;m tired of seeing half-ass busts who make too much money and push older, more talented players out of the league.  I also won&#039;t lose any sleep if there isn&#039;t a season because I have other things to fill my time with.

If more fans had this attitude, both sides would be more anxious to get a deal done.  Baseball has still not recovered from the fans&#039; apathy over the 1994 strike.  The NFL and NFLPA both know you aren&#039;t going anywhere so they feel free to yank you around as long as they need to meet their needs.  Your needs are none of their concern.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216; Cue the complaints from those who oddly view this site but don’t care about seeing a football season, only that the owner’s “win”. &#8216;</p>
<p>I come to this site because I live and breath the game. I also want the owners to &#8220;win&#8221; because I&#8217;m tired of seeing half-ass busts who make too much money and push older, more talented players out of the league.  I also won&#8217;t lose any sleep if there isn&#8217;t a season because I have other things to fill my time with.</p>
<p>If more fans had this attitude, both sides would be more anxious to get a deal done.  Baseball has still not recovered from the fans&#8217; apathy over the 1994 strike.  The NFL and NFLPA both know you aren&#8217;t going anywhere so they feel free to yank you around as long as they need to meet their needs.  Your needs are none of their concern.</p>
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		<title>By: aclassyguyfromaclassytown</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/11/a-simple-solution-to-the-rookie-scale-stalemate/#comment-1121284</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[aclassyguyfromaclassytown]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 22:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s been the Owners fighting to stop football, and the players fighting to keep football going. I&#039;ve blamed the owners this whole time, as any logical person should. If You and I decide to start a business as partners, and then you ask me after a couple of years to show me how much we make after I&#039;ve just given you a check, but I refuse to show you how much we&#039;ve made, is that not wrong of me as your partner to withold that information from you? Don&#039;t you have a right to see OUR books and financial records? Jerry Richardson talks about how he got the short end of the stick as a player, and that now that he&#039;s an owner, he shouldn&#039;t get the short end of the stick again. Not all players make millions show me one owner who doesn&#039;t. It&#039;s mostly the middle class that pays for the apperal, the tickets, and all that goes into paying the owners, cause most fans are middle class individuals. The middle class are for the most part employees, not employers. As an employee, I can see the side of the player wanting to be treated fairly, even though players and owners are supposed to be partners. Jerks like Richardson get a little too greedy and the fans suffer. This is the only time I&#039;ve posted anything on this NFL blog, or even read anything on it since the lockout began, and it will be the last on both accounts until it&#039;s over. If we lose any regular season games over their greed, the owners can be sure that they&#039;ll have one last fan to pay for their sport to remain popular, and I know I&#039;m not alone on that feeling. Aslo, it&#039;s time for some enw judges in the 8th circuit court. Players should make sure to have the locals that way get out and vote for people who&#039;s opinions won&#039;t be bought. Till then, I have no problem devoting my fanhood to Hockey and Baseball.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been the Owners fighting to stop football, and the players fighting to keep football going. I&#8217;ve blamed the owners this whole time, as any logical person should. If You and I decide to start a business as partners, and then you ask me after a couple of years to show me how much we make after I&#8217;ve just given you a check, but I refuse to show you how much we&#8217;ve made, is that not wrong of me as your partner to withold that information from you? Don&#8217;t you have a right to see OUR books and financial records? Jerry Richardson talks about how he got the short end of the stick as a player, and that now that he&#8217;s an owner, he shouldn&#8217;t get the short end of the stick again. Not all players make millions show me one owner who doesn&#8217;t. It&#8217;s mostly the middle class that pays for the apperal, the tickets, and all that goes into paying the owners, cause most fans are middle class individuals. The middle class are for the most part employees, not employers. As an employee, I can see the side of the player wanting to be treated fairly, even though players and owners are supposed to be partners. Jerks like Richardson get a little too greedy and the fans suffer. This is the only time I&#8217;ve posted anything on this NFL blog, or even read anything on it since the lockout began, and it will be the last on both accounts until it&#8217;s over. If we lose any regular season games over their greed, the owners can be sure that they&#8217;ll have one last fan to pay for their sport to remain popular, and I know I&#8217;m not alone on that feeling. Aslo, it&#8217;s time for some enw judges in the 8th circuit court. Players should make sure to have the locals that way get out and vote for people who&#8217;s opinions won&#8217;t be bought. Till then, I have no problem devoting my fanhood to Hockey and Baseball.</p>
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		<title>By: tommyf15</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/11/a-simple-solution-to-the-rookie-scale-stalemate/#comment-1121279</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tommyf15]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 22:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;kqole25 says:
The rookie pay scale is a joke! It’s the only profession I know where an employee can get paid more than someone who has busted his a$$ and proven he has earned it.&lt;/i&gt;

No offense, but this is just plain wrong. Not to be boastful, but I got some pretty darn good offers in the working world as soon as I earned my Master&#039;s Degree. So did many other people.

&lt;/i&gt;Cam Newton has 1 good season in college and could get 25 million??? Does that sound right?&lt;/i&gt;

Actually it does. The Panthers could have had any player in the 2011 Draft, including a player that had four good seasons. But Newton was the guy they wanted, and he actually had an outstanding season at Blinn Community College before transferring to Auburn. 

I actually like the idea of a rookie wage scale as long as:

1. The money the owners save on rookies gets spent on veterans.

2. The players get to hit a free market after a reasonable period of time- &lt;i&gt;and five years isn&#039;t reasonable!&lt;/i&gt;  :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>kqole25 says:<br />
The rookie pay scale is a joke! It’s the only profession I know where an employee can get paid more than someone who has busted his a$$ and proven he has earned it.</i></p>
<p>No offense, but this is just plain wrong. Not to be boastful, but I got some pretty darn good offers in the working world as soon as I earned my Master&#8217;s Degree. So did many other people.</p>
<p>Cam Newton has 1 good season in college and could get 25 million??? Does that sound right?</p>
<p>Actually it does. The Panthers could have had any player in the 2011 Draft, including a player that had four good seasons. But Newton was the guy they wanted, and he actually had an outstanding season at Blinn Community College before transferring to Auburn. </p>
<p>I actually like the idea of a rookie wage scale as long as:</p>
<p>1. The money the owners save on rookies gets spent on veterans.</p>
<p>2. The players get to hit a free market after a reasonable period of time- <i>and five years isn&#8217;t reasonable!</i>  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: kqole25</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kqole25]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 22:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The rookie pay scale is a joke!  It&#039;s the only profession I know where an employee can get paid more than someone who has busted his a$$ and proven he has earned it.

Earn your millions, don&#039;t just expect it!


Cam Newton has 1 good season in college and could get 25 million??? Does that sound right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rookie pay scale is a joke!  It&#8217;s the only profession I know where an employee can get paid more than someone who has busted his a$$ and proven he has earned it.</p>
<p>Earn your millions, don&#8217;t just expect it!</p>
<p>Cam Newton has 1 good season in college and could get 25 million??? Does that sound right?</p>
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		<title>By: gdpont</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/11/a-simple-solution-to-the-rookie-scale-stalemate/#comment-1121151</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gdpont]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 21:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the rookie wage scale goes too low, in a few years elite athletes will concentrate on other sports like soccer where the big money is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the rookie wage scale goes too low, in a few years elite athletes will concentrate on other sports like soccer where the big money is.</p>
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		<title>By: jakek2</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/11/a-simple-solution-to-the-rookie-scale-stalemate/#comment-1121144</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jakek2]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 21:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[5 year contracts when the average career length is less than that equals SLAVERY, indentured servitude, restraint from trade, call it what you want.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>5 year contracts when the average career length is less than that equals SLAVERY, indentured servitude, restraint from trade, call it what you want.</p>
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		<title>By: tommyf15</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/11/a-simple-solution-to-the-rookie-scale-stalemate/#comment-1121103</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tommyf15]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 21:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;dave20109 says:
This blog has taken a decidedly pro player slant recently. Why are the owners to blame for a stalemate?&lt;/i&gt;

The stalemate wouldn&#039;t exist had the owners not opted out of the CBA, and then planned and executed a lockout.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>dave20109 says:<br />
This blog has taken a decidedly pro player slant recently. Why are the owners to blame for a stalemate?</i></p>
<p>The stalemate wouldn&#8217;t exist had the owners not opted out of the CBA, and then planned and executed a lockout.</p>
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		<title>By: dave20109</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/11/a-simple-solution-to-the-rookie-scale-stalemate/#comment-1121091</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dave20109]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 21:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This blog has taken a decidedly pro player slant recently.  Why are the owners to blame for a stalemate?

While I personally think a four year plan is better than a five, my guess is both sides are being less than accommodating to the other.  They are equally to blame for this mess.

I like your blog.  Until recently I believed you when you said you were neutral in this fight.  I don&#039;t think you are anymore.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This blog has taken a decidedly pro player slant recently.  Why are the owners to blame for a stalemate?</p>
<p>While I personally think a four year plan is better than a five, my guess is both sides are being less than accommodating to the other.  They are equally to blame for this mess.</p>
<p>I like your blog.  Until recently I believed you when you said you were neutral in this fight.  I don&#8217;t think you are anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Sayre Bedinger</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sayre Bedinger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 20:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is pretty much the rules they have in the NBA, only the team option comes after the second year of the rookie&#039;s contract.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is pretty much the rules they have in the NBA, only the team option comes after the second year of the rookie&#8217;s contract.</p>
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		<title>By: tommyf15</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/11/a-simple-solution-to-the-rookie-scale-stalemate/#comment-1121072</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tommyf15]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 20:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;8drinkminimum says:
Using the draft to build teams has been succesful and does help create competitive balance.&lt;/i&gt;

Neither of us know if that&#039;s true. 

One might say that the draft helps create competitive balance since, theoretically, the best player went to the best team. The counter argument is that the draft &lt;b&gt;prevents&lt;/b&gt; the worst team from acquiring more than one of the top 32 players entering the league. Without the draft the Panthers could have signed Cam Newton AND Marcell Dareus, but since there is a draft they couldn&#039;t.

Right? 

My original point stand- the draft and the cap are concessions made by the players. The owners are going for yet another concession with a wage scale, and are being flat-out ridiculous by taking the next step and asking to control the first five years of a player&#039;s career.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>8drinkminimum says:<br />
Using the draft to build teams has been succesful and does help create competitive balance.</i></p>
<p>Neither of us know if that&#8217;s true. </p>
<p>One might say that the draft helps create competitive balance since, theoretically, the best player went to the best team. The counter argument is that the draft <b>prevents</b> the worst team from acquiring more than one of the top 32 players entering the league. Without the draft the Panthers could have signed Cam Newton AND Marcell Dareus, but since there is a draft they couldn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Right? </p>
<p>My original point stand- the draft and the cap are concessions made by the players. The owners are going for yet another concession with a wage scale, and are being flat-out ridiculous by taking the next step and asking to control the first five years of a player&#8217;s career.</p>
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		<title>By: jdmp86</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jdmp86]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 20:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s some thing wrong with this still &quot;that would pay Panthers quarterback Cam Newton only $34 million over five years.&quot;

I believe it&#039;s the word ONLY!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s some thing wrong with this still &#8220;that would pay Panthers quarterback Cam Newton only $34 million over five years.&#8221;</p>
<p>I believe it&#8217;s the word ONLY!</p>
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		<title>By: demolition510</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[demolition510]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 20:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If it&#039;s 5 yrs, what&#039;s to stop a player from holding out? Unless there&#039;s something built it that fines them large $$$$$]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it&#8217;s 5 yrs, what&#8217;s to stop a player from holding out? Unless there&#8217;s something built it that fines them large $$$$$</p>
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		<title>By: eaglesnoles05</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[eaglesnoles05]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 20:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;(We’ve actually heard the base deal will be as low as $25 million over five years.)&quot;

Here&#039;s a good example of the underlying problem; this salary - 5MILLION dollars per year for 5yrs - is &quot;low.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;(We’ve actually heard the base deal will be as low as $25 million over five years.)&#8221;</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a good example of the underlying problem; this salary &#8211; 5MILLION dollars per year for 5yrs &#8211; is &#8220;low.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: preludetosmack</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[preludetosmack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 20:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So saying:

 &quot;Stating that 16 players chosen in the first round in the last two NFL Draft are “Busts” after only a year or two in the league is ridiculous. 

Defensive lineman typically take at least two years to mature and play at a high level, along with wide receivers and especially quarterbacks.&quot;

is EXACTLY why owners want to lock the players up for 5 years.

2 years of that is spent maturing.  During those 2 years you are not getting what you are paying for... 3 years HOPEFULLY are offsetting the 2 years you are paying someone more than their skills/production dictate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So saying:</p>
<p> &#8220;Stating that 16 players chosen in the first round in the last two NFL Draft are “Busts” after only a year or two in the league is ridiculous. </p>
<p>Defensive lineman typically take at least two years to mature and play at a high level, along with wide receivers and especially quarterbacks.&#8221;</p>
<p>is EXACTLY why owners want to lock the players up for 5 years.</p>
<p>2 years of that is spent maturing.  During those 2 years you are not getting what you are paying for&#8230; 3 years HOPEFULLY are offsetting the 2 years you are paying someone more than their skills/production dictate.</p>
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		<title>By: 8drinkminimum</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[8drinkminimum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 20:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Using the draft to build teams has been succesful and does help create competitive balance. 

That said it still takes front office talent and good coaching to bring players and the team along.

Using Buffalo, Detroit etc to show the lack of competitive balance is useless.

You pull the draft and the bottom feeders (for whatever success they lack) will never get a crack at the difference makers without a draft. 

Going with four or five year contracts allows for exclusive development by the club as part of their initial investment. It helps maintain marketplace order. Remember there is serious money tied up in these rookies.

So Tommy see you in court?  It will never get there. Owners own and players play. There will be no alternative NFL, a players league or players owning a team. 

You don&#039;t want a draft? Well it&#039;s your opinion against four leagues that do and will way into the future.

The NFL isn&#039;t perfect but your sarcasm sure is juvenile.

Absent that go have your]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using the draft to build teams has been succesful and does help create competitive balance. </p>
<p>That said it still takes front office talent and good coaching to bring players and the team along.</p>
<p>Using Buffalo, Detroit etc to show the lack of competitive balance is useless.</p>
<p>You pull the draft and the bottom feeders (for whatever success they lack) will never get a crack at the difference makers without a draft. </p>
<p>Going with four or five year contracts allows for exclusive development by the club as part of their initial investment. It helps maintain marketplace order. Remember there is serious money tied up in these rookies.</p>
<p>So Tommy see you in court?  It will never get there. Owners own and players play. There will be no alternative NFL, a players league or players owning a team. </p>
<p>You don&#8217;t want a draft? Well it&#8217;s your opinion against four leagues that do and will way into the future.</p>
<p>The NFL isn&#8217;t perfect but your sarcasm sure is juvenile.</p>
<p>Absent that go have your</p>
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		<title>By: airraid77</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 20:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[if the players are so concerned with market value? then why unionize? The cap actually benefits the players more than the owners.......but you have to have thinking that actually starts to get around on that. their would be no nfl if the baseball system was applied to the NFL... it would be the giants jets, cowboys and redskins every single year for the superbowl...No such thing as the arizona diamond backs.....NO one player will over come the overwhelming talent on the otherside as in baseball or basketball.

we have glenn beck on the other side of the political landscape hosting this sight...to bad he doesnt understand that if his side wins, his freedom of  the press will be gone....as our host.

I think the NBA players have it, go play overseas....I dare you..... and permanantly....the player much to many of your dismay are owed not a single thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if the players are so concerned with market value? then why unionize? The cap actually benefits the players more than the owners&#8230;&#8230;.but you have to have thinking that actually starts to get around on that. their would be no nfl if the baseball system was applied to the NFL&#8230; it would be the giants jets, cowboys and redskins every single year for the superbowl&#8230;No such thing as the arizona diamond backs&#8230;..NO one player will over come the overwhelming talent on the otherside as in baseball or basketball.</p>
<p>we have glenn beck on the other side of the political landscape hosting this sight&#8230;to bad he doesnt understand that if his side wins, his freedom of  the press will be gone&#8230;.as our host.</p>
<p>I think the NBA players have it, go play overseas&#8230;.I dare you&#8230;.. and permanantly&#8230;.the player much to many of your dismay are owed not a single thing.</p>
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		<title>By: kirkmcguirk</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[micronin127 says: Jul 11, 2011 2:30 PM

The truth, if you look at any of the recent drafts, is that there are roughly equal numbers of busts and steals. 

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This is pure and utter nonsense.

Stating that 16 players chosen in the first round in the last two NFL Draft are &quot;Busts&quot; after only a year or two in the league is ridiculous. 

Defensive lineman typically take at least two years to mature and play at a high level, along with wide receivers and especially quarterbacks. 

Russell and Gholston are two obvious &quot;Busts&quot; but it&#039;s extremely rare that a first round draft choice is out of the league after a year or two.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>micronin127 says: Jul 11, 2011 2:30 PM</p>
<p>The truth, if you look at any of the recent drafts, is that there are roughly equal numbers of busts and steals. </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>This is pure and utter nonsense.</p>
<p>Stating that 16 players chosen in the first round in the last two NFL Draft are &#8220;Busts&#8221; after only a year or two in the league is ridiculous. </p>
<p>Defensive lineman typically take at least two years to mature and play at a high level, along with wide receivers and especially quarterbacks. </p>
<p>Russell and Gholston are two obvious &#8220;Busts&#8221; but it&#8217;s extremely rare that a first round draft choice is out of the league after a year or two.</p>
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		<title>By: goawayeverybody</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[goawayeverybody]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey freedomispopular, if you&#039;re so concerned about &#039;freedom&#039; why not let the market decide and just allow the owners to pay whatever they want?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey freedomispopular, if you&#8217;re so concerned about &#8216;freedom&#8217; why not let the market decide and just allow the owners to pay whatever they want?</p>
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		<title>By: tommyf15</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;freedomispopular says:
Start them at the minimum, like in any other profession, and make them earn their way to the top.&lt;/i&gt;

Every other profession starts new employees at the minimum?

That&#039;s provably false.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>freedomispopular says:<br />
Start them at the minimum, like in any other profession, and make them earn their way to the top.</i></p>
<p>Every other profession starts new employees at the minimum?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s provably false.</p>
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		<title>By: goawayeverybody</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/11/a-simple-solution-to-the-rookie-scale-stalemate/#comment-1120973</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The NFL is a microcosm of the world of politics.  The rich owners trick people into rooting against their own economic interest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NFL is a microcosm of the world of politics.  The rich owners trick people into rooting against their own economic interest.</p>
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		<title>By: goawayeverybody</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The owners are like &quot;we don&#039;t want to take a risk on a rookie that goes bad but if they turn out fantastic we&#039;d like to lock them in for cheap!&quot;

Stupid stupid stupid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The owners are like &#8220;we don&#8217;t want to take a risk on a rookie that goes bad but if they turn out fantastic we&#8217;d like to lock them in for cheap!&#8221;</p>
<p>Stupid stupid stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: goawayeverybody</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/11/a-simple-solution-to-the-rookie-scale-stalemate/#comment-1120965</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why are the owners so fearful of the &#039;free market&#039; they allegedly espouse?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are the owners so fearful of the &#8216;free market&#8217; they allegedly espouse?</p>
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		<title>By: zerored78</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rookies are overpaid.  As a compromise to putting in a scale, the teams should be forced to sign shorter contracts that require the team to cut the player or pay them their market value.  Seems like a no-brainer to me.  The owners are getting way too greedy both trying to limit wages and hold on to players at those wages for 5 years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rookies are overpaid.  As a compromise to putting in a scale, the teams should be forced to sign shorter contracts that require the team to cut the player or pay them their market value.  Seems like a no-brainer to me.  The owners are getting way too greedy both trying to limit wages and hold on to players at those wages for 5 years.</p>
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		<title>By: harmcityhomer</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There was already a system to limit rookie earnings, and no one forced the Raiders to draft Russell or sign him for 5 or 6 years. All they had to do to retain his rights until the next draft was tender him a 1 year offer. Or they could have just drafted Megatron or Joe Thomas and no one would be claiming they are currently over paid.

There is no rule that forces teams to offer so much guaranteed money to the top 10 picks. Why does the NFL need to implement a &quot;rookie salary scale&quot; instead of some simple self control or tougher negotiations. Trade the pick fi you do not want to pay them, or let them sit out a year and get drafted again.

The system is not broken, Al Davis just does not know what to do with top 10 picks. Hire a good GM and the draft is a lot more reward than risk.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was already a system to limit rookie earnings, and no one forced the Raiders to draft Russell or sign him for 5 or 6 years. All they had to do to retain his rights until the next draft was tender him a 1 year offer. Or they could have just drafted Megatron or Joe Thomas and no one would be claiming they are currently over paid.</p>
<p>There is no rule that forces teams to offer so much guaranteed money to the top 10 picks. Why does the NFL need to implement a &#8220;rookie salary scale&#8221; instead of some simple self control or tougher negotiations. Trade the pick fi you do not want to pay them, or let them sit out a year and get drafted again.</p>
<p>The system is not broken, Al Davis just does not know what to do with top 10 picks. Hire a good GM and the draft is a lot more reward than risk.</p>
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		<title>By: weneedlinemen42</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been on the owner&#039;s side throughout but this is one issue where the owners need to back down.

 There is a huge need to get rid of the massive and totally unearned contracts paid out in the top half of the first round but the owners need to make some concessions in return.

 The rookie wage scale cannot just be about ensuring that draft supplys a source of relatively cheap labour. The new wage structure needs to be about ensuring that the best players receive the highest pay.

 So cap rookie signing bonuses and pay by all means, but you cannot tie them into long term contracts at the same time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been on the owner&#8217;s side throughout but this is one issue where the owners need to back down.</p>
<p> There is a huge need to get rid of the massive and totally unearned contracts paid out in the top half of the first round but the owners need to make some concessions in return.</p>
<p> The rookie wage scale cannot just be about ensuring that draft supplys a source of relatively cheap labour. The new wage structure needs to be about ensuring that the best players receive the highest pay.</p>
<p> So cap rookie signing bonuses and pay by all means, but you cannot tie them into long term contracts at the same time.</p>
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		<title>By: capslockkey</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t see what the big hang up is about allowing 5 year deals.  As long as a player&#039;s agent is allowed to negotiate for a 4 year deal, who gives a crap what the maximum is?  Even if that isn&#039;t the case, any rookie who blows up and outplays his rookie contract will most likely get a new deal before their 5 years is up or else they&#039;ll holdout a la Chris Johnson forcing the team&#039;s hand.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see what the big hang up is about allowing 5 year deals.  As long as a player&#8217;s agent is allowed to negotiate for a 4 year deal, who gives a crap what the maximum is?  Even if that isn&#8217;t the case, any rookie who blows up and outplays his rookie contract will most likely get a new deal before their 5 years is up or else they&#8217;ll holdout a la Chris Johnson forcing the team&#8217;s hand.</p>
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		<title>By: blackbeardk</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The solution is to only include the first 10 picks in the cap and make the contracts for 5 years.  But the rookie cap needs to be a lot higher than the owners have proposed closer to the 70 million they are currently getting rather than half that which the owners are proposing.  Lets just say first pick $50 million for 5 years with a scale down to the 10th pick at $30 million with increases every year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The solution is to only include the first 10 picks in the cap and make the contracts for 5 years.  But the rookie cap needs to be a lot higher than the owners have proposed closer to the 70 million they are currently getting rather than half that which the owners are proposing.  Lets just say first pick $50 million for 5 years with a scale down to the 10th pick at $30 million with increases every year.</p>
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		<title>By: preludetosmack</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also, for the 4th year option in my scenario, the pay rate would be the average salary of all 32 starters at the draft pick&#039;s position.

That way they&#039;re getting &#039;market value&#039; for their position.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, for the 4th year option in my scenario, the pay rate would be the average salary of all 32 starters at the draft pick&#8217;s position.</p>
<p>That way they&#8217;re getting &#8216;market value&#8217; for their position.</p>
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		<title>By: tommyf15</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;mathsimillion says:
Anyone know where I can get a job right out of college making $25,000,000.00 or more over 5 years?&lt;/i&gt;

The NFL, NHL, NBA, or MLB.

What&#039;s stopping you? Go grab that contract now. 

What&#039;s the problem? Don&#039;t you want it? 

Seriously, GO! Let those leagues know that you&#039;re available for that price.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>mathsimillion says:<br />
Anyone know where I can get a job right out of college making $25,000,000.00 or more over 5 years?</i></p>
<p>The NFL, NHL, NBA, or MLB.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s stopping you? Go grab that contract now. </p>
<p>What&#8217;s the problem? Don&#8217;t you want it? </p>
<p>Seriously, GO! Let those leagues know that you&#8217;re available for that price.</p>
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