They yanked my response. Once again, I pointed out how wrong you are and how lacking in basic logic you are. I guess PFT doesn’t like it when Viking fans get too beat down by Packer fans with far superior logical skills. I guess they stopped the fight. Favre wins by TKO.

If I were you, I’d have done away with myself years ago.

The research I am referring to does not concern Cade. I was referring to your idiotic take on the betting lines. The argument you abandoned in favor of this ridiculous Cade one.

Nowhere did I say the Vikings were ” going to be really good this year and the Packers will not”.

I only said that you can’t predict in July what will be real in February. Go ahead and try and find anything to the contrary.

Dummy, the rosters are far from set. You’d “get it” if you understood there were other ways to stock a team, besides the draft.

3x the talent huh? We shall see.

You’d think your fanbase would just enjoy the title, but nope, you have to talk dynasty when that hasn’t happened since 93 and due to parity, is likely to rarely ever happen again.

You are a willfully ignorant, hypocrtical homer.

No research necessary Pauly. I remember the Mossy Cade fiasco clear as a bell…..sounds like you may not have even been around back then. One of the worst moments in Viking history.

You’re the idiot who seems to cling to the notion that the Vikings are going to be really good next year and the Packers likely will not. Hey moron…..there is a chance that the Vikings make the playoffs, but the odds are long. And the Packers have 3x the talent and will likely be back in the playoffs. It’s simple Paul—-one team has lots of talent and one of the best QBs in football. The other has far less talent, no depth, and a rookie QB. You would “get it” if you weren’t so stupid.

I’d admit that I F’d up, if I ever did? i haven’t here though.

Just like any other Packer fan, you are made a fool on one point, so you need to shift gears to another asinine point to try and “win”.

You need to just walk away. You have shown your ignorance one too many times. If I were you, I’d be ashamed.

You are really so stupid. The reason they cut him is because people did care. Reasonable Viking fans…..you clearly are not one of them……were outraged that they would hire a convicted rapist who assaulted his aunt. See Paul, the Packers fired him after he did this. The Vikings hired him after he did it, was convicted, and served 15 months in prison. For you to reference such a horrible moment in your own teams history in a weak attempt at a personal attack is telling as to your grasp of logic and your inability to admit when you f&*^ up. In other words, you are a dumba$$ who appears to never admit fault…..even when you make a complete fool of yourself.

In better news for you…..it appears the lockout is over. Now your favorite squad will be able to go out and sign a bunch of free agents, making their team 2x as good as it is now…….and putting them on the path to a playoff spot!

God, you’re an idiot.

Who cares if they signed Cade? He was cut almost immediately.

That wasn’t the point of using him. The guy had sex with his aunt. How dumb is that?

Do you get the reference now?

That this was your whole focus of what I posted speaks volumes.

The Vikings signed Cade after the Packers cut him and he was convicted of rape and served 15 months in jail.

Go google the word, dumba$$……or better yet….look in the mirror.

You have no clue how this season is going to play out-NONE. Oh wait, you do…. the Pack =14-2 and Minnesota lucky to be 4-12, right?

Regardless of whether they finish 4-12 or not…have a good cry? WTF?

Is that what you do when the Packers lose? A sports team means that much in your life that you’d cry if they were bad? I pity you even more now.
By the way, I said the odds are there to induce betting on BOTH sides. The pointspread does not mean that the oddsmakers think that team A is 7 points better than team B. they are trying to make money on BOTH sides of the line! You obviously haven’t googled it yet.
You obviously also haven’t googled how often they are right about preseason “favorites ” either.

As I have stated-willfully ignorant. I see that a lot having to live in this backwoods state.

Are you sure your real name isn’t Mossy Cade?

You’re just sick of making a fool of yourself. Tough to accept I guess that the Queens will likely be crappy and the Packers appear to be set for a number of years. Why don’t you go somewhere by yourself and have a good cry? And while you are at it…..put a lot of money on the Panthers to win the SB next year! Since according to your brilliant logic, the odds have no relevance to the quality of a team…..you could make a ton of money genius.

Are you sure your real name isn’t Onterrio Smith?

How can you be so obtuse? I’ ll wait while you look up the meaning to that word.

The line is put out to induce betting on BOTH sides!! I’ll take it slow so even a window licker like you gets it. The goal is to get a lot people that think the Packers won’t win it all, as well as those that will. Seriously, you need to research the betting lines and what the odds really mean.

I know you have tent pants because the ” Packers have some of the best odds”. Go ahead and look back and see how “right” the oddsmakers were over the years.

That you don’t realize how foolish you are making yourself look is funny as hell.

It doesn’t “hurt” me at all that the Packers have talent. It’s July, who are you to presume what any teams final roster is going to look like?

I’m so sick of imbecile Packer fans such as yourself.
I bet Corky from Life goes on has a higher IQ than you do.

I’m done with you. You are being willfully ignorant and it’s not worth my time.

You are really stupid. Any jacka$$ understands that Vegas lines are set to make money. But YOU actually think that they have no relevance to the quality of a particular team.

Let me take this really slow so you can follow. Maybe that’s not possible, but even slow-witted droolers like yourself usually can get mundane logic. See Paul—-the teams Vegas considers to be really good, like the Packers, Jets, Patriots and Steelers, all have decent odds to win the 2012 SB—-7 or 8 to 1. The really crappy teams like the Vikings have much worse odds to win the SB—in fact the odds are 60 to 1. Now if the oddsmakers were idiots (like you) they would have the Vikings odds at 2 to 1……and perhaps the Packers odds at 200 to 1. That way they would likely get creamed and be out on their a$$. See dummy……you really don’t get much, do you.

Sorry that it hurts that the Packers are a very talented, well-coached team with a great QB, and the Vikings are a crappy team, full of holes with a rookie coach and rookie QB. That’s just the way it goes sometimes.

I bet James Harrison has a higher IQ than you do.

Grant does not require some 5 foot hole…you want to talk about facts, use them. The guy has more talent than you are giving him…
Green has yet to step on the field…he will have to learn to block before he will get to.
He will be firmly behind Grant and Starks for any 1st or 2nd down carries likely all year long.
And claiming he has above average blitz pickup technique is great…try it in the NFL when its Julius Peppers, or Jared Allen or Suh coming at him…its a different story. He is not ahead of Grant in any phase of the NFL game at this point.

The point that it was a preseason ranking is that what was the ranking at the end of the year. Basing a strength of schedule in hindsight by only looking at previous year’s records is foolish. It does not show the true strength of schedule…and as I said, it was highly skewed for GB, CHI, and MN because of Detroit’s 0-16. In addition, you were using it as a reason to bash Grant’s numbers in comparison to Peterson who played an easier schedule by your measure. Also, it was a ranking based on record, not run defense. All in all, it was a rather irrelevant point to make.

Your powers of reasoning have uncovered my true identity. Let’s agree to keep it on the down low for now…waiting for the labor deal to get done is just plain boring, so I need to find alternate means to get my football fix. Though I suppose you aren’t on here as well to flex your muscle as a “savant” as well.

@ mhartman7 (Jul 12, 2011 9:47 AM) –

Alex Green hails from a run and shoot spread hybrid offense. Green Bay runs a spread. Connect the dots… Ryan Grant requires a five foot wide hole for his one-dimensional high speed downhill runs, Green can move through traffic and has vision to cutback, Grant’s vision is highly suspect when he runs over or into blockers, if he even bothers to allow them to set up a block. The guy gained 1200 yards in that system. As a rookie with system experience (and above average blitz pickup techniques), he is already the “lofty” caliber some Packer fans claim Grant is. It’s not blind faith, just common sense.
http://ajc.stats.com/nfldraft/players.asp?id=181298

@ mhartman7 (Jul 12, 2011 9:50 AM)

Mike McCarthy’s offense hasn’t been “West Coast” since Favre left. It was a wrinkle he added to his play sets in order to get more mileage out of Favre before Rodgers fell into our lap the following spring. It’s a spread shotgun offense with some “West Coast” variables – in particular the handling of the TE’s routes at times. Putting my statement in bold does not make it a fact, facts do.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/288301-wheres-the-west-coast-finding-flaws-in-the-packers-offensive-strategy

@ mhartman7 (Jul 12, 2011 9:55 AM ) -

Don’t really care that it was a ranking that was released in the preseason. The NFL schedules opponents for the upcoming season, making easier ones for awful teams, which Green Bay was in 2008. They faced a combination of opponents whose 2008 performance had them near the bottom of the barrel. Like it or not, a easier schedule schedule helped to pad Grant’s statistics.

http://www.suite101.com/content/green-bay-packers-2009-schedule-analysis-a138287

I notice you didn’t deny that fact. I’m not suprised at all.

The blame is on Chilly. He had final say on a roster that was sorely lacking in depth. He also lost the freaking locker room. All you morons ripped him the whole time he was the coach, now you’re his big defender?! You just choose whichever side fits your argument at the time, don’t you? I’m not suprised at all.

Your 2nd paragraph is a jumble of incoherent thoughts. Hutch had a shoulder problem the whole damn year, but yeah, he’s over the hill.(eye roll)

Sullivan had nagging injuries the whole year.
Yes, continuity plays a really big deal in the cohesiveness of the line. Yes, picking up a player or 2 will solidify that line.

I’m not sure what exactly what point you are trying to make. On one hand you castigate the talent, then you say that FA won’t help, then you go back to saying how bad they were. Sybil, is that you?

Thanks for proving my point about Vegas odds.
You proved you are one of the idiots that thinks that means something. Go look up what the object of a betting line is, go look up what the oddsmakers make their money on. I don’t expect you to understand it though. The lines aren’t put out to make money, nooooooo, they are there for turds like you to think that “the Packers are 7 points better than the lions”. Uff.

Poor guy, you suffer from cranial rectosis.

You have to be the dumbest Packer fan on this site, believe me, that is really saying something.

Idiot that you are, you are probably proud of that fact.

I can’t even thank you for a laugh, I actually pity your ignorance.

And it is hilarious that you think the O-line’s problem was injuries. Hutchinson appears to be over the hill and besides Sullivan, the rest either have no talent or have never showed any consistency. But a genius like you thinks FA will solve the problem. Good one. I think Favre and AP would disagree with you. The former got his a$$ kicked last year because of the line….and the latter had about .5 holes per game to run through.

Oh…..and good point about Vegas odds smart guy. They really don’t mean jack. They are merely inducements to get people to bet a certain way. Yeah…….right. You must have been dropped on your head as a young child. For you to think Vegas odds have limited relevance sure appears to be indicia of some sort of traumatic brain injury, or otherwise a significant level of chemical impairment.

Thanks for the laugh though. It is refreshing to know that you represent a typical Viking fan base. Idiot.

You do understand that you can be a child and have a superiority complex at the same time, don’t you? Geez, I hope you aren’t that ignorant.

I suppose it’s possible. You did predict 14 wins for a team in early July.
The funniest part of your posts is that you actually believe the drivel you type.

I hesitate to even respond to you. Not because I think you are right,but because your screen name tells me that you are an unstable lunatic.
I’ve seen some of your posts regarding Favre.
It’s been years since he has been in GB, yet you are still butt-hurt over it. Only an unstable mind would still be spewing venom years later.
Anyway, I’m going to give it a shot. Maybe I can knock some of the few marbles rolling around your head loose?
Who are the educated observers you speak of? Packer fans? Supersuckers has so eloquently put that if you don’t wotk for a sports team, you are a know nothing. So I don’t want to hear which publications reported it.

Evidently, you don’t know the meaning of the term complacency. There is a reason no team has repeated since the Cowboys. That was a different era and the way the NFL is set up, it makes it nearly impossible to do it again.
By the way, anyone who quotes Vegas odds is an idiot who doesn’t understand the oddsmaking system. They set these to induce betting on both sides. There are morons like you though, who look at that and get a funny feeling in thier pants when its only July.
Next, You sound like a typical Packer fan when it comes to people not agreeing with you. People are either idiots or tools because they don’t think the Packers are going to go 14-2 every year. I bet you were the star of your debate team in school.
Lack of a quality QB? How would you know? He hasn’t played a down in the NFL yet! Yet when Rodgers hadn’t had any playing time, you “just knew” he was all pro material. Thank you for once again proving how stupidly arrogant and hypocritical 99% of your fanbase is.
3/5 of that crappy line was injured last year. There was no continuity at a very important part of the team.
As for the crappy secondary 3/4 of the opening day starters were on injured reserve also the 1st reserve was injured.
Crappy wasn’t the problem, lack of quality depth was. That’s on a coach that is no longer there.

Also, another place where you are wrong. it is a fallacy the Vikes d-line is old:
Evans-27 Griffen-23 Robison-28
Allen-29 Ballard-22 K. Williams-30
Johnson-25 Kennedy-32 Reed-23
Fat Pat IS 38, but who knows if he is even on the team?
By the way, free agency is for patching some holes, contrary to what some people think.
So,that crappy o-line and secondary will be upgraded. What are you worried about? Your team is going 14-2, remember? That places them with a 1st round bye. May as well not play the games.
I don’t think Favre blows, I’m willing to make a small wager you do though.

You just followed the above paragraph with this….

“Back to your prediction. Free agency has not even taken place yet, you don’t even know what the rosters will look like. Yet here you are calling out 14 wins. It’s the same thing every year with guys like you. It’s the reason I cannot root for the Packers if the Vikings are out of it. The superiority complex you Packer fans have is nauseating. ”
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Everyone with one shred of football knowledge knows that GB strives for continuity and to build their core. Outside of Starks/Grant/Jackson/Green at RB, whoever starts at ROLB and the FA situations with James Jones and Cullen Jenkins, everyone and their mom could put the Packers starting lineup down on paper today and be 99% correct. You see, unlike the Vikings, the Packers actually develop players instead of throwing $88 million at Bernard Berrian.

The funniest part of your post is when you said your thoughts were classy and elite and that I’m a child who should learn from someone with wisdom like you… and then told me I have a superiority complex.

You are a tool. The Packers were loaded with talent last year and most educated observers knew that going in. They had a great QB, incredible WRs and TE….and a top-notch defense. Their team going into this year looks even better. They have a ton of talent coming back from injury. Check out the Vegas odds pal…..you might learn something.

Typical of a moron Viking fan though. I have never seen such an idiot fan base. You guys seriously have no clue about the game.

Oh…..and nice point about free agency genius. Yeah……the Queens are going to turn it around next year because of free agency. Good one. Why don’t you worry about your lack of a quality QB and your pathetic O-line and you crappy secondary and your OLD D-line. Yeah…..free agency is going to make a BIG difference for you.

Agreed. James Starks the World Champion is one of them..

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The teams that participate in that method of core building will suffer. Humans adjusting to new cities, living in hotels, and trying to cram for a season on short notice is not condusive to a prodoctive team environment. Free Agency is an attempt to compensate for a teams inability to draft and develop.

What, the part about loving football, drinking beer or the part you left out…that a lot of Packer fans thought we’d win our 4th Super Bowl and 13th Championship and ended up correct.

Now comes the part where you say “there’s more to life than football in Minnesota” while you’re posting on profootballtalk.com. Isn’t there a forum out there about Loring Park, Somalian housing project beautification, or losing sports franchises to post your classy and elite thoughts on?

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Dummy, You Packer fans think you have the Super Bowl win locked up EVERY year. It’s only July12th and here you are predicting 14-2 again. It’s pathetic how homeristic your fanbase is.
Next, why do you assume because I’m a Vikings fan, that I automatically live in Minnesota?
I, in fact am a resident of Wisconsin. So your little jab about Minnesota, does not bother me one whit.

I am glad at least that you understand that I am your better. Thank you for acknowloding that my thoughts are elite and classy.
Stick around and pay attention to my posts kid, you may just learn something.

Back to your prediction. Free agency has not even taken place yet, you don’t even know what the rosters will look like. Yet here you are calling out 14 wins. It’s the same thing every year with guys like you. It’s the reason I cannot root for the Packers if the Vikings are out of it. The superiority complex you Packer fans have is nauseating. Let me guess, you’re a “stockholder” too.

I suppose next you’re going to tell us that Prince Fielder is going to lead the league in at-bats because he leads the league in walks.

That is exactly what I am saying. The offensive spread creates his ease of yardage production.

Let me see if I’m following you correctly.

Ryan Grant was fourth in the NFL in rushing over the 2.5 years he was a starter because…they are in a pass happy offense?

What, the part about loving football, drinking beer or the part you left out…that a lot of Packer fans thought we’d win our 4th Super Bowl and 13th Championship and ended up correct.

Now comes the part where you say “there’s more to life than football in Minnesota” while you’re posting on profootballtalk.com. Isn’t there a forum out there about Loring Park, Somalian housing project beautification, or losing sports franchises to post your classy and elite thoughts on?

That was the preseason strength of schedule.
And lets see why it was so low (btw, Minny’s was 31st for Peterson…Chicago was 32). Could it be that it was skewed just a tad by a team that went 0-16 in our division that we played twice?