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Children of former NFL player killed by police now face charges

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Last week former Bengals running back David “Deacon” Turner was shot and killed by police officers in the presence of two of his teenage children. Now two of his older children are facing criminal charges for their actions in the wake of the shooting.

Bakersfield.com reports that 25-year-old Ahmod Turner and 24-year-old Whittney Turner were arraigned on charges including making criminal threats and participation in a criminal street gang.

The charges stem from a confrontation in a hospital parking lot early Sunday morning, shortly after after David Turner was pronounced dead. Hospital security says that police were called when one of the members of the Turner family said there was a gun in the parking lot, and the first deputy to arrive was “rushed” by family members.

The Turner family says no threats were made, there was no reason for the arrest and there was no justification for the shooting. The Turners have hired an attorney.

Without knowing more details, it’s hard to assess this latest twist to the story, but it’s obviously understandable that Turner’s children were extremely upset that their father had just been shot and killed in what sounds like a case of the police using excessive force. One would hope that after an incident like that, the police would treat the family of the deceased with compassion.

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  1. wryly1 says: Jul 13, 2011 7:05 AM

    As shameful and regrettable as it might be to learn police used excessive force, it would be equally sad to learn if Turner was raising, arming and enbling gang-bangers,

  2. watters7 says: Jul 13, 2011 7:08 AM

    Latest news: Bengals sign Ahmad and Whittney Turner to free-agent deals.

  3. daburgher says: Jul 13, 2011 7:11 AM

    another example of excessive force by a police officer. Turner was definitely wrong in the way he acted but they could’ve tased him or used a stick or even shot him in the arm or leg. i hope that cop rots in hell

  4. tinkletinkleonyourstar says: Jul 13, 2011 7:14 AM

    If the family was congregated outside the hospital this is no doubt the referenced ‘gang’.
    The police are actually being lenient, they probably could have cited them for loitering, gathering without a permit, disturbing the peace, etc., etc.

    So the lesson is, hold your tongue while gathered with your family in the hospital parking lot immediately after learning your father has just been killed by cops.

    (tongue firmly planted in cheek)

  5. knightringonow says: Jul 13, 2011 7:22 AM

    That said…

  6. wicky888 says: Jul 13, 2011 7:22 AM

    Translation:

    “You’re under arrest for 2 counts of being black”

    Give that family a break. Their father was just killed right in front of them.

  7. hooks024 says: Jul 13, 2011 7:23 AM

    The family said no that’s were made. I’m sure the sheriff just arrested them for no reason at all. That happens all the time. Every law enforcement agency loves risking wrongful arrest suits. Where’s Al Sharpton? Alert the media. Oh, wait, is it more likely that this is just a case of the apple not falling far from the tree? Don’t get me wrong, my condolences go out to his family, as he was a human being with loved ones, but it appears his own actions led to his demise.

  8. spartyfi says: Jul 13, 2011 7:29 AM

    Excessive force? Didn’t he swing a deadly weapon at a cop? Seems justified to me!

  9. spartyfi says: Jul 13, 2011 7:31 AM

    And yes, 3- 4 lbs of beer to the head can be deadly!

  10. kingjoe1 says: Jul 13, 2011 7:34 AM

    Yes sure why not? It sure is easy to say that we should show compassion for a group of people who perhaps are involved in street gangs and allegedly attacking cops, while sitting in a safe secure home in West Virginia.

    We have to much compassion for folks who could care less about another human being and whom often show no compassion for their victims.

  11. chatham10 says: Jul 13, 2011 7:36 AM

    I see you guys still just throw crap against the wall and see what might stick, “what sounds like a case of police using excessive force”, you might end up right but once again do not let facts get in the way of a good story. I think you are probably right but going by what “someone” says is like believing lawyers, you are taking a chance on the truth.

  12. billybats says: Jul 13, 2011 7:39 AM

    This site is shameless. You’ve already suggested this is a case of the police using excessive force, without knowing any facts.

    I can just imagine your “shock” if the gangbanger kids are convicted and there is no discipline whatsoever handed out to the policeman involved in the shooting.

    What a joke you are. Now go ahead and delete my critical post.

  13. tinkletinkleonyourstar says: Jul 13, 2011 7:45 AM

    And to those of you who truly believe that beer cans constitute a deadly weapon considering the arsenal of other options the cop no doubt had access to, and the officer was justified in killing him- you just passed the policemans wonderlic test! you’re now officially qualified to be a cop!

  14. indianheadmeatpackingcompany says: Jul 13, 2011 7:46 AM

    They were completely justified in their feelings after there father was shot. Now acting on those feelings, there no justification for that. Ive had a parent die and a 6 month old neice violently murdered. I understand wanting to rip apart the person responsible. You just can’t do it. Once to start acting on those urges you deserve to face whatever happens.

  15. jersey73 says: Jul 13, 2011 7:47 AM

    I love everyone jumping to conclusions to blame the cops for excessive force and so on without knowing all the facts.

    Try to be patient and listen…and ignore your bias against cops until all the facts are laid out.

  16. imopen7 says: Jul 13, 2011 7:52 AM

    if the children were killed by police, how can they be charged???!!

  17. ICDogg says: Jul 13, 2011 7:53 AM

    There aren’t enough details but it sounds like Deacon’s son and daughter got arrested for yelling at a cop after their dad got shot by another cop. As is typical, the cops overcharged the “crime” – a guy and his sister is not a “gang”, for example, and there’s a good chance that it’s a stretch to call whatever they yelled at the cop “threats”.

    The odds are these charges will be dropped, they were pretext for detaining people who were inconvenient to the police.

  18. bealeman says: Jul 13, 2011 7:56 AM

    Predictable behavior. Just an attempt to defame the family and protect the officers who blew away a drunk guy brandishing beer. It just happened to be someone known, and now they are playing coverup. Typical.

  19. brasho says: Jul 13, 2011 7:57 AM

    I’ve worked in two different jails and an alternative school and I have yet to meet anybody that claims to be guilty of a crime. Accountability is something that seems to elude most criminals and low-lives like Barry Sanders in the open field.

  20. polishkingski says: Jul 13, 2011 7:59 AM

    “without knowing more details” is then followed by”the police used excessive force”….

  21. blackqbwhiterb says: Jul 13, 2011 8:03 AM

    Cop pulls up, sees a group of black guys hanging in the hospital parking lot, no idea who they are, what’s happened/happening, why they’re there….Pull the gun and lock ‘em up!!

    Like I said the day this story broke, cops these days are trained to have a militaristic commando mentality, not to do law enforcement. There’s a lot of them getting killed, that’s why, but unfortunately stories like this are the result of their training.

    Meanwhile in places like Iraq and Afghanistan, they gottta get approvals and paperwork up the chain of command before they can shoot back….WTF

  22. 12is3times4 says: Jul 13, 2011 8:06 AM

    IIRC there are some states where if you commit a crime whose end result is someone being killed by the police, YOU are the one held criminally liable for the death. (The police themselves may or may not be.)

    Ahmod and Whitney should just count themselves lucky they apparently don’t live in one of those states.

  23. pftstory says: Jul 13, 2011 8:26 AM

    If you are pulling the trigger you are shooting to kill. None of this “they could have shot him in the leg” tripe.
    But it sure seems that a bunch of PFT commentors were in the room and saw exactly what happened.

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    polishkingski Very Astutely says:
    Jul 13, 2011 7:59 AM
    “without knowing more details” is then followed by”the police used excessive force”….

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    So easy to jsut blame the cops. But who are YOU going to look to when you need them?

  24. livenbreathefootball says: Jul 13, 2011 8:29 AM

    There is no proof these people did anything wrong prior to Saturday night.

    Sounds like the cops are doing a bit of CYA.

  25. hooks024 says: Jul 13, 2011 8:34 AM

    Let’s face it, folks. The police are called the AUTHORITIES for a reason. That’s because when they tell you to, “stop,” and you don’t, you’re breaking the law. As soon as you don’t stop, provide id if asked, you are a criminal. If you are not doing anything wrong, and are compliant and polite, the police are not these jerks people think they are. The only people who say cops are jerks are the people who take an attitude and start acting indignant as soon as they encounter an officer of the law. I’ve never had a bad experience with cops being jerks, and I’ve had dozens of encounters over the years. Why? Because I was respectful and compliant. These people weren’t. Its that simple.

  26. recovery22 says: Jul 13, 2011 8:43 AM

    ….abusing the power trip….they should lose their job for life…

  27. 2ndaryinsanity says: Jul 13, 2011 8:48 AM

    It’s easy for people to sit in the safety of their own homes and judge police officers. But take a minute to put yourself in their shoes. How many of you go to work each day and have to worry about being hurt or killed? When you kiss your family goodbye, do you worry that it’s for the last time? Do you have to strap on a bullet proof vest at the beginning of your shift? Do you have to make split second life or death decisions?

    Maybe it was excessive force…but there’s no way for any of us to know, because we weren’t there. How about you withhold judgement until all the facts come out? I’ve worked with police officers…some good and some bad. 99% of them do not take drawing their weapons & shooting someone lightly.

    Something else to think about…if someone is willing to assault a police officer (with cans of beer or anything else), it isn’t a stretch for the officer to believe the suspect will escalate the level of violence.

  28. sterilizecromartie says: Jul 13, 2011 8:49 AM

    “One would hope that after an incident like that, the police would treat the family of the deceased with compassion.”
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    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That’s the funniest thing I’ve heard all day. The cops being compassionate?!? LMFAO!! And to a black family on top of that?!? ROFLMAO!!!

  29. sensiblebuc says: Jul 13, 2011 8:50 AM

    @jersey73

    “Per the report, police initially detained Turner. He initially cooperated, but Turner then tried to leave. When the officers tried to stop Turner from leaving, he allegedly fought them.

    One of the officers reportedly was struck in the back of the head with a bag containing two 24-ounce cans of beer. Another officer then drew his pistol and fired twice at Turner.”

    Seems like the report is pretty cut and dry. Deadly disproportionate force (shooting Turner with a gun) was being used against a non-deadly aggressor wielding beer cans. The police officers in question would have assuredly put that Turner or his crew had a deadly weapon (gun, knife, bat, noose, etc.) in their police report and it would’ve made it into the story. It didn’t so it’s not too far fetched for commenters to make the inferences their making in my opinion.

  30. biggerballz says: Jul 13, 2011 8:51 AM

    I don’t trust the cops, they always try to cover themselves by arresting witnesses

  31. sterilizecromartie says: Jul 13, 2011 9:10 AM

    But seriously, you people need to stop defending the police here. The guy was KILLED…. For “allegedly” swinging a beer can. If you are niave enough to believe that poice report then obviously you are naive enough to believe that this wasn’t excessive force. What do you think he was back there swinging the beer cans around like nunchucks knocking people out left and right?? They got into a tussle… your typical resisting arrest type tussle… he was a big guy… they had trouble detaining him… an officer overreacted and pulled the trigger. He made a mistake. At most, he will lose his job. And he should.

    People rape women and get a year or so in prison. Kidnappers get a few years in jail. Casey Anthony just got off scott free for murdering her child (and we all know she did it, but I am sure you naive ones will claim she is innocent or something).

    But you are all saying this guy deserved to DIE because he was “allegedly” swinging beer cans. Beer cans?!? And you are saying that is a deadly weapon??? Do people die often from blows to the head from beer cans that I am not aware of?

    My 8-year old cousin was hit in the head by a foul ball last year at a baseball game. She was fine outside of a temporary bump. But these grown men were at risk because of blows to the head from beer cans?!?!?!

    I watched that show “I Survived…” the other day where nearly half of a guys head was bit off by a grizzly bear, and he lived and is fine today. But these grown men were at risk because of blows to the head from beer cans?!?!?!? I mean, don’t college kids smash beer cans off their heads all the time for fun??

    I can go on and on. Hit me the thumbs down for all you “the cops can do no wrong” types. You don’t fire you weapon at someone for swinging beer cans. You just don’t.

  32. joelvis72 says: Jul 13, 2011 9:20 AM

    The sympathetic comments about this loser and his family being “victims” in this matter are one among many reasons that I no longer comment on PFT articles.

  33. gen8510 says: Jul 13, 2011 9:33 AM

    MDS, Your an idiot. The man used a deadly weapon against an officer and his partner used deadly force in return! Now your trying to stick up for him because of “excessive force?” Come on, man! You know NONE of the details! NONE! How do you know the beer to the head didn’t didn’t knock the officer’s partner out? Now its 3 against one! Shoot the piece of meat! (Which is what happened) I would do the same thing!

  34. thetooloftools says: Jul 13, 2011 9:39 AM

    I always find that those who often do not listen to police commands, are some of the same people who scream “excessive force” when police have to do whatever it takes to defend themselves from uncooperative suspects.
    I was ordered from my car at gun point once by police and 10 mins later I was back on the road because they had the wrong guy.
    Now if I had stood there and argued or not gotten on the ground, who knows what would have happened ?

  35. db3300 says: Jul 13, 2011 9:56 AM

    “Hit me the thumbs down for all you “the cops can do no wrong” types.”

    The problem here isn’t all of us “cops can do no wrong” types. It’s your “cops are always guilty and you’re a bunch of idiots for not believing it” diatribe being repeated every 3rd comment. The facts haven’t even come out but that doesn’t stop all of the “cops are racist” or “these poor kids were just concerned for their dad” comments from flying around.

    Keep the comments coming because the only ones sounding like lunatics here are you and your ilk. Every one of them you post just makes you sound more and more unhinged.

  36. bubbabart says: Jul 13, 2011 9:57 AM

    The police use such language when more than one person is “committing” assault. Truth is IMO, they are trying everything they can to deflect. If these kids were gang bangers…how did the police find this out so quickly. This stinks from the head down!

  37. millertime30 says: Jul 13, 2011 10:00 AM

    if i had just watched my father be shot and killed (cop or no cop) i’d want a piece of whoever was responsible as well.

  38. dbrnw says: Jul 13, 2011 10:04 AM

    Yes of course, those police who should have allowed the violent convicted felon to beat them on the head with heavy blunt objects without resistance should have allowed his children to assault them in the parking lot.

    The fact that they didn’t is a sure sign of racism.

  39. bensstinkyfingers says: Jul 13, 2011 10:27 AM

    Yeah, if you decide to hit a cop over the head with full cans of beer, you gotta expect to eat some pavement shortly thereafter. After all the years of cases of police brutality eccesive force etc. wrong or right you gotta know theres a chance your gonna get shot if you assault a cop. So if you have the slightest bit of intelligence you’re not gonna take a chance of getting “Rodney King” pulled on you by acting a fool in front of the cops. Simple Rules to avoid Drama / untimely death. -1). Treat people with respect 2.) Don’t let drugs or alcohol impair your judgment 3.) Be God fearing and treat others how you want to be treated. 4.) Joining a gang or getting wasted and assaulting police officers is bad for your health. CAN’T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG????

  40. tdotsteel says: Jul 13, 2011 10:29 AM

    To those of you that are absolving the police of any wrongdoing are under the assumption that the Police “always” follow procedure and are there to “Serve and Protect.” This has been proven incorrect in the several cover-ups, crooked cops, civil suits and police brutality cases nationwide. In most cases these involve minorities. These facts cannot be ignored.

    When an unarmed citizen is killed there needs to be more transparency. Sadly the Blue Shield comes up and in most cases the victim’s family is left with many unanswered questions regarding the death. When a police officer is the victim we are bombarded with media reports, non-stop eulogy’s and canonizing of a sometimes dirty cop. Why are we so quick to believe the police at their word when there is much past evidence to suggest otherwise?

    Why harass the family with additional legal procedures after a tragic killing? This strikes me as insensitive and suspect on the police Dept. in question.

  41. rickditka says: Jul 13, 2011 10:40 AM

    The guy was killed because of his actions. The neglected and unloved children were arrested because of their actions. Small minded people criticize the police. BTW, I’ve been arrested a couple times and it was noones fault but my own. Personal responsibility is a virtue.

    And now back to football… Bearssss

  42. imongo says: Jul 13, 2011 10:41 AM

    Garbage in…Garbage out.

  43. hobartbaker says: Jul 13, 2011 10:43 AM

    Clear lesson in this for the offspring of David “Dead Deacon” Turner is………. don’t take a sack with a couple cans of beer in it to a gunfight.

  44. chooch95 says: Jul 13, 2011 10:48 AM

    C’mon all these comments about facts and truth. Well I like many of you don’t know ALL the facts, but being from Bakersfield I can give you some FACTS about Turner’s “Poor distraught children who are simply grieving the loss of their law abiding father”

    Fact 1. Ahmod Turner was convicted of robbery in 2003 after a no contest plea.

    Fact 2. Ahmod Turner was found GUILTY of spousal battery in and pled no contest to obstructing officers in 2008.

    Fact 3. Ahmod Turner once again pleads no contest to charge of obstructing officers in 2009.

    Fact 4. Whitnney Turner has convictions for battery, resisting arrest in 2007 and burglary in 2009.

    So those are some FACTS for all you cop hating liberals on this board. It’s all public information so look it up for yourself in you don’t believe me. And those are just the charges they were convicted of, it does include the all the other charges the DA dropped in the interest of Justice. In my experience a person’s history says a lot of who they are and trust me these two, including the father are no role models.

  45. melonnhead says: Jul 13, 2011 10:49 AM

    another example of excessive force by a police officer. Turner was definitely wrong in the way he acted but they could’ve tased him or used a stick or even shot him in the arm or leg. i hope that cop rots in hell

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    It’s not surprising to me that you’re the biggest James Harrison defender on PFT.

  46. marinephinfan says: Jul 13, 2011 10:52 AM

    Of course. Animals will always act like animals when faced with “rules”. Deacon, who has been arrested at LEAST 26 times in the last 15-16 years for everything from domestic violence, to assault, to DUI, to driving without a license, was nothing but a habitual criminal. Now, I’m not saying that he is better off dead, or that I would ever wish for him to be shot and killed by the police, but typicaly when you try and badly injure or even kill someone with a blunt object and the person you’re assaulting has a gun (or a friend with a gun) you will be shot.

  47. melonnhead says: Jul 13, 2011 10:52 AM

    So the lesson is, hold your tongue while gathered with your family in the hospital parking lot immediately after learning your father has just been killed by cops.

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    Or at least “don’t report a gun in the parking lot, then attempt to bumrush the cop that shows up to investigate”.

  48. tdotsteel says: Jul 13, 2011 10:55 AM

    To those of you willing to take the time to seek the truth. The son’s eyewitness account of the encounter vastly contradicts the Police version. Lets bet the tape conspicuously disappears or is altered.

    The truth lies somewhere in between.

    http://northeast.bakersfieldnow.com/news/people/sheriffs-deputy-kills-former-football-star-front-son/71853

  49. melonnhead says: Jul 13, 2011 10:59 AM

    And to those of you who truly believe that beer cans constitute a deadly weapon considering the arsenal of other options the cop no doubt had access to

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    Wait a second, one is not dependent on the other. A 3 pound blunt object can be considered a deadly weapon whether the cops have pea shooters or howitzers. If you don’t think that it can be a deadly weapon, I’d like to see you upload a video of somebody roughly the size and strength of Turner hitting you in the head with a 3 pound sack of beers.

  50. melonnhead says: Jul 13, 2011 11:05 AM

    My 8-year old cousin was hit in the head by a foul ball last year at a baseball game. She was fine outside of a temporary bump. But these grown men were at risk because of blows to the head from beer cans?!?!?!

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    A baseball weighs a little over 5 ounces. Two 24 ounce cans of beer weigh over three pounds. Go slam your head in a door.

  51. melonnhead says: Jul 13, 2011 11:08 AM

    To those of you willing to take the time to seek the truth. The son’s eyewitness account of the encounter vastly contradicts the Police version.

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    By all means, let’s believe the convicted criminal.

  52. dcviking says: Jul 13, 2011 11:19 AM

    To those of you willing to take the time to seek the truth. The son’s eyewitness account of the encounter vastly contradicts the Police version. Lets bet the tape conspicuously disappears or is altered.

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    Are you willing to seek the truth? Or are you just going to automatically blame the cops because nobody ever puts themselves in a position where stuff like this happens.

    I mean the kid would never lie, right? His version of events should be taken as gospel.

    I assume this means you would never actually call a cop if you needed one because they are all corrupt and would probably shoot you, destroy any evidence, and make you look like you committed the crime to begin with.

  53. marinephinfan says: Jul 13, 2011 11:32 AM

    Yeah, so his son ‘s version of the story is the correct one, huh? Why is it that when a person is found guilty of a crime or killed during the commission of a crime the family of the person always say the same thing, “He was a loving father!” “He was a great man, hardworking, and not a , criminal bone in his body” et al?

    He hit a cop over the head with 3lbs of beer. He was shot. Period.

  54. paulsmith107 says: Jul 13, 2011 11:34 AM

    Anyone who feels that a mans life shoulda been taken over this situation is an idiot this cop was wrong they are given training and tools to prevent the use of lethal force this ass clown of a storm trooper bypassed all of that and fired on a man who was only armed with a paper bag and two cans of beer not that he was right either because you assault the ss you have to pay the price but how many times could he have honestley hit that cop without the bag ripping open or those cans popping not many and he was shot twice that’s straight murder f that cop who will get paid administrative leave ” a vacation ” while the rest of us would have to do hard time

  55. sterilizecromartie says: Jul 13, 2011 11:34 AM

    @chooch95

    So what?!? The guy is a scumbag. We all know that. Does that mean it was OK for the cops to shoot him? So, because he was a scumbag swinging beer cans he deserved to die, but if he was a lifelong law-abiding citizen swinging beer cans, he didn’t deserve to die? I don’t care what his track record is. You don’t kill a guy for swinging beer cans. You just don’t. How can you defend this?

    @melonhead

    Ok… so you would rather get hit in the head with a fast-travelling, hard-as-a-rock foul ball hit off a metal bat instead of a beer can?!? Really?? That’s your defense? There are a lot of things that weigh more than a baseball. A hockey puck only wieghs a few ounces too, but you wouldn’t want that to hit to in the face during a hockey game. Wow, you’re dumb.

  56. joelvis72 says: Jul 13, 2011 11:38 AM

    Man I hope the lockout ends soon….

  57. dcviking says: Jul 13, 2011 11:53 AM

    Can you people who think the cop’s action was unjustified answer the following questions for me:

    Tell me exactly under what precise circumstances a cop can use deadly force? This answer should be black and white (i.e. after somebody has shot at him with a gun, or after he has already been stabbed with a knife).

  58. jamie54 says: Jul 13, 2011 11:54 AM

    Thank you sir chooch95, for the facts. Never let the facts get in the way of reality for a number of idiot posters on this site. Known troublemakers causing more trouble, non-issue, throw them in jail. Better yet, let them free because sooner or later they’ll end up shooting someone else just as moronic as they are so no loss to society.

  59. sterilizecromartie says: Jul 13, 2011 12:20 PM

    @dcviking

    Did you notice how both of your examples involve either a gun or a knife… both known, undisputable deadly weapons? Why isn’t one of your examples “when someone first raises a beer can at you”? I’ll tell you why. BECAUSE A BEER CAN ISN’T A DEADLY WEAPON.

  60. tdotsteel says: Jul 13, 2011 12:25 PM

    dcviking says: Jul 13, 2011 11:19 AM

    To those of you willing to take the time to seek the truth. The son’s eyewitness account of the encounter vastly contradicts the Police version. Lets bet the tape conspicuously disappears or is altered.

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    Are you willing to seek the truth? Or are you just going to automatically blame the cops because nobody ever puts themselves in a position where stuff like this happens.

    I mean the kid would never lie, right? His version of events should be taken as gospel.

    I assume this means you would never actually call a cop if you needed one because they are all corrupt and would probably shoot you, destroy any evidence, and make you look like you committed the crime to begin with.

    ====================================

    So by default the cops are telling the truth. This thinking is exactly why we have dirty cops that get away with shooting people.
    There are too many open holes in the story to believe the police at their word. Why has the son’s version been summarily dismissed from most reports? What are the injuries suffered by the police officer?

  61. tomsd1 says: Jul 13, 2011 12:35 PM

    Tell you what about swinging a bag with two large beer cans in it.

    I will swing that bag and GUARANTEE – I can knock you down, if not out cold. Period.

    So IF that’s what happened – then do you expect the police to just calmly try to recover their senses after being knocked to the ground – or after a near miss?

    If you have even been in a street fight – many times afterwards – you can’t exactly recount what happened or how fast it unfolded.

  62. sterilizecromartie says: Jul 13, 2011 12:39 PM

    @db3300

    That’s funny. Of all your quotes in your response, including “cops are always guilty and you’re a bunch of idiots for not believing it”, “cops are racist”, and “these poor kids were just concerned for their dad”… I didn’t say any of those quotes. If you are going to respond to me, at least respond to something I actually said.

    @jamie54

    That’s nice. Another idiot supporting this guys death because he was a known troublemaker. Is that why he was killed? Because he was a known troublemaker? I thought it was because he “allegedly” brutally attacked a police officer with a beer can and put that officer’s well-being at risk.

    I can’t wait for this surveillance video to come out… or “mysteriously disapeer”. Whichever comes first. Actually, my bet is on the video showing “inconclusive evidence” and the whole thing being swept under the rug. If an actual video comes out of an officer being beat by a beer can to the point where the offender actually had to be shot and killed… I will apoligize to you all and I will delete my account. I swear.

  63. dcviking says: Jul 13, 2011 12:41 PM

    @dcviking

    Did you notice how both of your examples involve either a gun or a knife… both known, undisputable deadly weapons? Why isn’t one of your examples “when someone first raises a beer can at you”? I’ll tell you why. BECAUSE A BEER CAN ISN’T A DEADLY WEAPON.
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    Did you notice still didn’t answer my question — when is it OK.

    Give me a black and white rule.

    I’ll tell you what — put two can of beer in a bag, get a friend of yours to hit you in the head with the beers, and then tell me it’s not a deadly weapon, or at least significant enough to maim somebody pretty well.

    By your logic, getting hit with a fist isn’t a deadly weapon either. Guess what happens if you take a fist (or full beer can to throat) — it can (not always) but can crush your windpipe and its game over.

    Also, what if it was beer bottles in the bag — which it could have been just as easy and the cops wouldn’t have known. Would their actions have been justified then? Or, is a bottle with beer not a deadly weapon either?

  64. dcviking says: Jul 13, 2011 12:51 PM

    So by default the cops are telling the truth. This thinking is exactly why we have dirty cops that get away with shooting people.
    There are too many open holes in the story to believe the police at their word. Why has the son’s version been summarily dismissed from most reports? What are the injuries suffered by the police officer?

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    Once again, you are saying all cops are dirty so they shouldn’t be trusted and every time they use force, they are doing without proper cause. This is why people who commit crimes feel they can act without fear of punishment — they can always blame the cops. And for society, it’s always somebody else’s fault…

    Please identify where the open holes in the cops story are — give me something more than the criminal son’s version of the story as told by his girlfriend.

    I do not know, what if any injuries, were sustained by the police officer, but I agree, if there were none — that’s a big problem.

    Likewise, if the videotape doesn’t corroborate the cops story that is a big problem.

    I have no doubt there are dirty cops who act maliciously.

    I also have no doubt there are cops who may make a bad decision in the heat of the moment.

    I, do however, refuse to believe that the cop involved in this instance acted unjustly until it’s proven to me.

  65. tdotsteel says: Jul 13, 2011 12:55 PM

    My spouse has 1st hand experience as a court reporter and she has a litany of stories of dirty cops, fabricating evidence, disappearing evidence. tampering of evidence, blatant lying under oath, coercing witnesses, planting evidence, stealing drugs, sexual harassment, embezzling, etc.

    I have seen stories reported in the media that are completely different than the “actual” facts revealed in court testimony and/or evidence. Keep believing the drivel fed to you.

  66. tdotsteel says: Jul 13, 2011 12:58 PM

    My spouse has 1st hand experience as a court reporter and she has a litany of stories of dirty cops, fabricating evidence, disappearing evidence. tampering of evidence, blatant lying under oath, coercing witnesses, planting evidence, stealing drugs, harassment, embezzling, “on the take”, etc.

    I have seen stories reported in the media that are completely different than the “actual” facts revealed in court testimony and/or evidence. Keep believing the drivel fed to you.

  67. marinephinfan says: Jul 13, 2011 12:58 PM

    @dcviking..

    Wrong. Your answer is 100% false. Stick to flipping the burgers and leave the legal issues to people smarter than you. ;)

  68. hooks024 says: Jul 13, 2011 1:14 PM

    @paulsmith107- Ever heard of punctuation, bro? It’s damn near impossible to read and understand an entire paragraph without punctuation. Are you asking questions, making statements, or both? How are we supposed to know? Every second grader in this country knows how to use a question mark, why don’t you?

  69. dcviking says: Jul 13, 2011 2:24 PM

    @tdotsteel -

    Does your wife, the court reporter, have any stories of criminals actually being guilty of the charges they were arrested for, or are the cops just out to get everyone?

    Plus, I imagine all the people who are arrested tell the truth and are forthcoming 100% of the time so that things can be resolved in a just manner…

  70. dcviking says: Jul 13, 2011 2:26 PM

    marinephinfan says: Jul 13, 2011 12:58 PM

    @dcviking..

    Wrong. Your answer is 100% false. Stick to flipping the burgers and leave the legal issues to people smarter than you. ;)
    ————————————-

    That’s probably sound advice…

    Apparently the people I thought were criminals are actually victims and should be allowed to do whatever they want without interference…

  71. sterilizecromartie says: Jul 13, 2011 3:17 PM

    dcviking says:
    Jul 13, 2011 12:51 PM

    I do not know, what if any injuries, were sustained by the police officer, but I agree, if there were none — that’s a big problem.

    —————-

    He had no injuries. He was taken to the hospital and released almost immediately thereafter.

    In regards to your other post, you can’t assume anything is a deadly weapon. You just can’t. HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING, maybe you can make the argument. I’m sure if you tried hard enough you can think up a crazy hypothetical scenario where a tic-tac can be used as a deadly weapon if used in a certain manner. But REALISTICALLY SPEAKING, they are not. Tic tacs are not deadly weapons. Fists are not deadly weapons. And beer cans are not deadly weapons. Thats just how it is. If the guy was swinging a knife or a gun around that would be a different story. Beer Cans?!?!? Just stop and think about that for a second. Beer cans.

    For example, you say a fist can be a deadly weapon. Ok… so if someone goes outside and raises their fists to an officer and punches him in the face, he has the right to shoot them dead in the chest two times? That would be ok with you I guess. Don’t you think maybe using a club, or mace, or a taser would be a better option? I am pretty sure most cops have all of these at their disposal. Shooting the person dead is a last resort. I’m pretty sure they weren’t down to their last resort.

    This story has more holes than a slice of swiss cheese. The cop F’ed up. I can’t wait for this surveillance video to mysteriously disappear. I’m sure you won’t find anything wrong with that either.

  72. sterilizecromartie says: Jul 13, 2011 3:22 PM

    tomsd1 says:
    Jul 13, 2011 12:35 PM
    Tell you what about swinging a bag with two large beer cans in it.

    I will swing that bag and GUARANTEE – I can knock you down, if not out cold. Period.

    So IF that’s what happened – then do you expect the police to just calmly try to recover their senses after being knocked to the ground – or after a near miss?

    If you have even been in a street fight – many times afterwards – you can’t exactly recount what happened or how fast it unfolded.
    ————-
    So, what are you saying? IF (a big IF) one of them got knocked to the ground by a swinging beer can do I expect them to calmly try and recover their senses? YES! Of course I do! It’s the better alternative to firing your gun! They are trained police officers. I’m sure they don’t teach you in police academy that it’s OK to start shooting people if you get dazed a little bit.

  73. dcviking says: Jul 13, 2011 3:51 PM

    sterilizecromartie says: Jul 13, 2011 3:17 PM
    ————————————————

    I disagree with your analysis of HYPOTHETICALLY speaking vs. REALISTICALLY SPEAKING. A beer can swung at a head can do serious damage — period. Just like a rock isn’t a weapon by definition, but if you throw it at somebody’s head, they will be screwed up pretty bad. You have to put the object (in this case the beer cans) in the context of the situation. Likewise, the opposite argument is also true, few things are actually deadly weapons (maybe nuclear missles) until it is used to kill — knives are used around the house and guns can be used for target practice and skeet shooting as well.

    I am curious what you believe would happen to somebody if they got hit in the head / face with a bag containing two beer cans at high velocity.

    I agree the assailant didn’t deserve to die, and the police may have had other options at their disposal. However, given the situation, I’m not going to blame the cop for the shooting at this point — given the circumstances.

    It’s easy to analyze what should have been done in retrospect — much harder when it’s actually happening to you, and in particular, if you feel your life is threatened.

  74. chooch95 says: Jul 13, 2011 3:59 PM

    @ all you morons who have no clue!

    Let me enlighten you idiots on Police Training.

    First of all Police are trained to and expected to defend themselves so they can make it home after their shift in the same condition they began it. That means when dealing with a suspect who uses ANY weapon that can cause DEATH or SERIOUS BODILY INJURY, they are authorized to use LETHAL FORCE. Not a bean bag, or taser, or pepper spray, or nightstick, or shot for the leg or arm.

    Second, they are also trained to maintain a higher level of force than the suspect…meaning if the suspect wants to fight bare fisted then the officer is trained to deploy an impact weapon or chemical agent. But if the suspect decides to equip himself and use a weapon, well that’s right folks, that SOB is bought and paid for and the Officer now has all the justification in the world to use lethal force, so he can make it home to HIS FAMILY alive and healthy.

    Many of you here suggest that a blow to the head with a full beer can can’t kill you and that’s a reasonable assumption, however, can a blow to the head with a beer can fracture a man’s skull, his jaw, damage an eye beyond repair? I believe that type of injury to be very likely and I would consider a such injuries to be constitute a SERIOUS BODILY INJURY. Also keep in mind that one can also sustain a SERIOUS INJURY with a punch or kick.

    So while some morons have all the time to Monday Morning Quarterback the actions of these Officers, they only have but a split second to choose what action they deem best to avoid DEATH or SERIOUS INJURY. So in my eyes, these cops are not only justified but acted accordingly based on their training. Remember folks, life is not a video game, you get no extra lives, it’s one and done. I doubt any one here would roll the dice on with your safety if you didn’t have to. Had this A-hole complied with Police he would’ve been unharmed and still be here today being a detriment to Society.

    So how can I defend the actions of these officers? Its quite simple, at the end of the day I would rather be judged by twelve than carried by six. So May GOD bless these officers for risking their lives every day so some IDIOTS and COWARDS can bash them from the comfort and safety of their homes or offices.

  75. sterilizecromartie says: Jul 13, 2011 5:25 PM

    @chooch95

    “So how can I defend the actions of these officers? Its quite simple, at the end of the day I would rather be judged by twelve than carried by six. So May GOD bless these officers for risking their lives every day so some IDIOTS and COWARDS can bash them from the comfort and safety of their homes or offices.”
    ———-
    Yes, God bless the guy who used a gun in a beer-can fight.

    @dcviking

    If we were to write out a list of the 100 most deadly weapons, a beer can wouldn’t be on the list. It might not even make a top 1000 list for that matter. You can say all “well, if they use it like this…” or “If he swung it like this and hit him here….”. Save it. I don’t buy it. At the end of the day, it is not a deadly weapon. End of story.

    Let’s just wait for the results of the investigation… although I am quite sure the surveillance video has already mysteriously disappeared.

  76. robadawb says: Jul 13, 2011 6:41 PM

    @chooch95

    “So how can I defend the actions of these officers? Its quite simple, at the end of the day I would rather be judged by twelve than carried by six.”

    Tell that to the children of David “Deacon” Turner you insensitive prick.

  77. robadawb says: Jul 13, 2011 6:42 PM

    Wow, there’s no shortage of racist bigots commenting on this article.

    You say the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree? Maybe some of you ought to turn around a take a long look at the %$#@ tree you fell from, eh?

  78. gen8510 says: Jul 13, 2011 7:39 PM

    @sterilizecromartie
    You are uneducated, at least in this manner. Anyone who has any kind of training knows that ANYTHING can be used as a DEADLY weapon. Its called a “weapon of opportunity.” We teach it in the military! Now take 3 pounds a beer, put it in a bag, place the bag in an NFL player’s hands OR former NFL player’s hands, have the NFL player swing it at your head as hard as possible, or even half that. I promise you, you wind up on your bubble butt. More than likely knocked out. Your an idiot, never speak on issues you know nothing about.

  79. sterilizecromartie says: Jul 15, 2011 10:46 AM

    @gen8510

    Thanks for making my point for me. We are now accepting that anything can be used as a deadly weapon? Ok. So the next time someone is shot by a cop and he says, “Well, he came at us with a paperclip and he poked my fellow officer, so I had to take action with my gun” we are going to be ok with that? Wow.

    Once again, this moron thinks Turner was back there wielding this beer-can bag like a pair of nunchucks knocking people out left and right. You have watched too many Jackie Chan movies buddy.

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