Comments on: Players considering seeking injunction for rookies, free agents http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/players-planning-to-seek-injunction-for-rookies-free-agents/ ProFootballTalk on NBCSports.com Mon, 20 May 2013 22:36:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: thephantomstranger http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/players-planning-to-seek-injunction-for-rookies-free-agents/#comment-1125724 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 19:52:56 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139423#comment-1125724 purpleman527 says:
Jul 14, 2011 12:15 PM
Hey phantomstranger,

The all star break is over and its July 15 tomorrow.

Do you still think a deal is done by tomorrow?
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Nope, but I just made a prediction, I never guaranteed it. Do you still think a deal won’t be done until September? Let’s see which one of us is closer.

]]> By: bradjames33160 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/players-planning-to-seek-injunction-for-rookies-free-agents/#comment-1125614 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 18:36:24 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139423#comment-1125614 Albert Breer says:

Will say that I think once the rookie wage issue is solved, there is hope the sides can capitalize on the momentum, start pushing to a deal.

]]> By: bluepike http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/players-planning-to-seek-injunction-for-rookies-free-agents/#comment-1125515 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 17:43:40 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139423#comment-1125515 Something like this would only serve to make the “sandbox” more crowded.

]]> By: bobbyd12 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/players-planning-to-seek-injunction-for-rookies-free-agents/#comment-1125499 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 17:36:55 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139423#comment-1125499 OMG!!! How anyone can think this is a good thing and means a deal is close checked their brains at the blogging door. Nothing, and I mean nothing good can come out of this. In fact, if they go through with this you can guarantee the owners really get tough and things break down. Again, I care less about Pre Season and hope it’s canned altogether, but it would be nice to have a regular season, this would probably end that.

]]> By: tommyf15 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/players-planning-to-seek-injunction-for-rookies-free-agents/#comment-1125468 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 17:28:07 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139423#comment-1125468 bearskoolaid1985 says:
Looks like Kessler AKA tommyf15 has found another way to kill the talks and to help him in his quest to KILL THE NFL.

Dear Lord…another childish poster that wants to play pretend games.

For the adults in the room…if you’re Peyton Manning, wouldn’t you instruct your attorney to get that injunction filed NOW NOW NOW so that in the event the judge rules in his favor he can not only become a free agent and be able to negotiate with all 32 teams, without the Colts being able to put the franchise tag on him?

This is me being critical of Manning and his advisors. They should have already done this.

]]> By: wetdentist http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/players-planning-to-seek-injunction-for-rookies-free-agents/#comment-1125458 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 17:22:24 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139423#comment-1125458 the owners should just do what other major US corporations do: lay them all off and find replacements for pennies on the dollar in India, China, etc. and then beg for huge tax breaks

]]> By: tommyf15 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/players-planning-to-seek-injunction-for-rookies-free-agents/#comment-1125450 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 17:18:39 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139423#comment-1125450 TIM says:
Of course the union is considering going to court AGAIN,that is all D. Smith (the head lawyer),knows how to do. Hire a litigator as your union chief and you put the whole process in the lawyers hands and they put it all in the courts hands,and nothing ever gets done !
Walk out of talks, phoney decertification,sue for everything under the sun to ruin the League and first and foremost,make sure the lawyers are getting lots of billable hours so they can make millions of dollars off all the delays !
Man do they miss Gene Upshaw !!!

I love how a report that the players might be considering something can whip certain people up into a frenzy.

For practical purposes, the players should have filed the injunction last Friday, as soon as the St. Louis ruling was rendered.

]]> By: bearskoolaid1985 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/players-planning-to-seek-injunction-for-rookies-free-agents/#comment-1125408 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 17:00:10 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139423#comment-1125408 Looks like Kessler AKA tommyf15 has found another way to kill the talks and to help him in his quest to KILL THE NFL.

]]> By: TIM http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/players-planning-to-seek-injunction-for-rookies-free-agents/#comment-1125402 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:56:54 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139423#comment-1125402 I am starting to think that it wouldn’t be all bad to just punish the union and players for all their delaying nonsense,by cancelling the season.
One good thing that would come out of it is that Alex smith would not get another year starting for the Niners if there were no season in 2011 and they didn’t get a new CBA until next Feb or so !!!

]]> By: tombradyswig http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/players-planning-to-seek-injunction-for-rookies-free-agents/#comment-1125392 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:52:20 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139423#comment-1125392 jw731 says: Jul 14, 2011 11:00 AM

9 billion and growing….

UMMMM, more like 9 billion and shinking very day this CRAP lasts longer!

I for one, have made a annual trip to at least one game for about a decade, NO LONGER!!! Not this year and not next either!

Yes, I’ll watch on TV, but Screw you Roger GOD-ell and you greedy ass players!!!

]]> By: mackie66 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/players-planning-to-seek-injunction-for-rookies-free-agents/#comment-1125380 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:46:21 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139423#comment-1125380 Just when you folks thought it was safe to back into the water, one of the great white sharks, dressed in business suit, found a way to screw the whole mess. Kessler should be very carefull. Who can afford a year long lockout and who cant ? Kessler seeing a billion dollar payday for himself, in attorney fees, has found another way to skin a cat. This is going to get real ugly, real fast. Forget July 17th.
Are you ready for some arena football ? ;-0

]]> By: TIM http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/players-planning-to-seek-injunction-for-rookies-free-agents/#comment-1125377 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:44:26 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139423#comment-1125377 Of course the union is considering going to court AGAIN,that is all D. Smith (the head lawyer),knows how to do. Hire a litigator as your union chief and you put the whole process in the lawyers hands and they put it all in the courts hands,and nothing ever gets done !
Walk out of talks, phoney decertification,sue for everything under the sun to ruin the League and first and foremost,make sure the lawyers are getting lots of billable hours so they can make millions of dollars off all the delays !
Man do they miss Gene Upshaw !!!

]]> By: cliverush http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/players-planning-to-seek-injunction-for-rookies-free-agents/#comment-1125371 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:43:04 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139423#comment-1125371 Deeper and deeper the hole is being dug by the “Assoc.” lawyers. Guess who owns the rescue company the players will need to hire to get out of this rat hole they have created. Their very own mouthpiece. Billable hours for all the fast talkers who talked them into this mess.

]]> By: clintonrb http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/players-planning-to-seek-injunction-for-rookies-free-agents/#comment-1125358 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:35:44 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139423#comment-1125358 this is nothing but crap, we cant let the owners get a one up on us and vice versa..
stop, rationalize and stop worrying who is getting the better of who and close the deal-youve agreed on almost everything now including the biggest thing that caused the lockout in the 1st place–stop saying weve given up too much and now its the owners turn or we arent budging-
i used to side with the players but now im tired of both sides acting like children, its a joke
if the players do whats mentioned in this article then everything will blow up and whats agreed upon will be taken off the table..de smith/roger g.
-take contrtol of this, stop listening to the lawyers,the objectives that they have arent the same as yours..
im done with the league if the players try to pull a move like this..we are so close..

]]> By: Kaz http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/players-planning-to-seek-injunction-for-rookies-free-agents/#comment-1125349 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:30:26 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139423#comment-1125349 I wish there was more we could realistically do as fans, besides acting like we are done with football for good. We know we will watch and many will continue to pay and attend the game. So really they got us by the footballs. And all we can do is complain here at PFT comment sections. But at least we can get it out of our systems I guess.

]]> By: gtmann http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/players-planning-to-seek-injunction-for-rookies-free-agents/#comment-1125336 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:24:00 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139423#comment-1125336 If this happens, I say it is time for the NFL rank and file to grow some new brain and a pair of b@lls, fire Smith, Kessler and the gang. These guys are not working in the players best interest . Drop all existing lawsuits. Fire them all, form a new union, elect either Troy Vincent or Brian Dawkins as director, elect new player reps and get a deal done.

]]> By: tommyf15 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/players-planning-to-seek-injunction-for-rookies-free-agents/#comment-1125325 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:19:35 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139423#comment-1125325 tomsd1 says:
Good luck. Do you think the rookie – Judge Suzy – wants to get burned twice/overturned by the 8th Ct of Appeals? Methinks not.

Um…it’s the courts in St. Louis that suggested the non-contract players file suit. And they’ll be the ones to overturn it?

Good luck.

And how was the judge in MN “burned”by the appeal? As if she has any personal stake in the matter.

]]> By: purpleman527 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/players-planning-to-seek-injunction-for-rookies-free-agents/#comment-1125318 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:15:48 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139423#comment-1125318 Hey phantomstranger,

The all star break is over and its July 15 tomorrow.

Do you still think a deal is done by tomorrow?

]]> By: realitypolice http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/players-planning-to-seek-injunction-for-rookies-free-agents/#comment-1125311 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:11:13 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139423#comment-1125311 POSITIVE SPIN ALERT! IF YOU ARE A CARD CARRYING CHICKEN LITTLE, DO NOT READ THE BELOW POST:

Try this scenario on for size:

The players and the owners have a handshake agreement on all of the free agency and rookie rules. They realize that they still have a week or so of I dotting and T crossing but are eager to begin free agency.

Now- the owners themselves cannot partially lift the lockout even if they wanted to. Only the court could issue a ruling allowing the partial lifting.

So maybe the owners have suggested to the players, or vice versa, that the players file this motion to facilitate an earlier start to free agency than would be possible if the process has to run it’s course.

A stretch? Maybe. Possible? Certainly.

]]> By: thephantomstranger http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/players-planning-to-seek-injunction-for-rookies-free-agents/#comment-1125309 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:07:33 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139423#comment-1125309 If the lockout did end for rookies and free agents, it seems like that could just mean that teams could speak with them. I don’t think they would be forced to sign them. I’d like to get the rookies in to talk to the coaches.

]]> By: wannabeqb http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/players-planning-to-seek-injunction-for-rookies-free-agents/#comment-1125306 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:06:30 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139423#comment-1125306 I have to say it did cross my mind how individuals who have never been paid a cent to play football (at least not by the NFL, *coughs*… Terrell) can be legally locked out. They aren’t part of the union (whether it exists right now or not) that was locked out.

But apart from that, we’re now at the point where the players seem to have negotiated, the revenue was the big issue and I think the owners have got their way. Why do they have to drag out this rookie cap issue? If after 4 years you don’t know if your 1st round pick is worth signing to a market level contract then use the franchise tag. If a year later you still don’t know, then you need to fire your GM!

]]> By: riverhorsey http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/players-planning-to-seek-injunction-for-rookies-free-agents/#comment-1125304 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:04:30 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139423#comment-1125304 “bizarre chaos”

F football

]]> By: lickenkittens http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/players-planning-to-seek-injunction-for-rookies-free-agents/#comment-1125303 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:03:46 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139423#comment-1125303 “granadafan says: Jul 14, 2011 11:20 AM

“lickenkittens says:
Jul 14, 2011 11:04 AM
How bout the players just get a deal done? I’m just saying…”

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“Just saying”, it takes two to negotiate. Stop being so simplistic.”

Duh, but if the players push this issue they could possibly derail the talks. Don’t poke that hornets nest.

]]> By: uncleb3 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/players-planning-to-seek-injunction-for-rookies-free-agents/#comment-1125294 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:01:31 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139423#comment-1125294 So it’s a possibility that Peyton Manning, and all free agents, might be free to sign with any other team prior to the lifting of the lockout? And this is supposed to force the owners hands to settle this deal? Indy would be against this, but who else?

]]> By: tntitans31 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/players-planning-to-seek-injunction-for-rookies-free-agents/#comment-1125288 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:00:06 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139423#comment-1125288 Every source that leaks something is doing it to send a message to the other side. I think someone with the PA said this to tell the owners that they’re ready and willing to fight. I don’t think we will get there though. Goodell said this in 08 when the owners opted out of the CBA..”Often it’s not until you have a deadline that people realize the consequences of not reaching a deal.” Whenever their deadline occurs, I believe both sides will give up on some of their positions and have some last minute breakthroughs. But until the NFL and PA’s deadline occurs, I think every night we’ll hear Albert Breer say the same thing..”it was a tough, frustrating day”, and that’s because neither side will be willing to give up on their position until the last minute when they realize they’re better off cutting a deal than losing $.

]]> By: purpleman527 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/players-planning-to-seek-injunction-for-rookies-free-agents/#comment-1125280 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:55:11 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139423#comment-1125280 As predicted by me and a few others, the clusterfudge is about to happen.

“but a deal will happen on july 17, er 19, oh I mean Aug something…., just get the deal done…., ”

So, now I fully expect that PFT will announce that according to sources close to the situation, a deal was made and agreed to on March 3, 2011.

]]> By: heyguru1969 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/players-planning-to-seek-injunction-for-rookies-free-agents/#comment-1125279 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:55:03 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139423#comment-1125279 Makes as much sense as politics. “I was for it before I was against it” will now be “I was locked out before I was let in and then locked out.” Amazing that such smart people can be Dumb and Dumber.

]]> By: gregwestlake http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/players-planning-to-seek-injunction-for-rookies-free-agents/#comment-1125271 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:50:11 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139423#comment-1125271 Why do I get the feeling that Drew Brees is ruining everything?? I freken hate that guy!

“The time is ours” OH SHUTUP BREES!!

]]> By: lovesportsandsurfing http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/players-planning-to-seek-injunction-for-rookies-free-agents/#comment-1125262 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:45:13 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139423#comment-1125262 I hope the lockout lasts 5 years.

]]> By: jahbird http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/players-planning-to-seek-injunction-for-rookies-free-agents/#comment-1125261 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:44:10 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139423#comment-1125261 qj1984′s idea of compromise is for the owners to “shut the whole damn thing down”? The players aren’t the only ones exercising leverage here. Being obstinate benefits the owners more than the players.

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