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Monday meetings end without a deal

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The NFL and the NFLPA* have big plans for the week.  The league hopes to present to its owners on Thursday a new labor deal for approval, which is expected to happen without any major issues.  And the NFLPA* hopes to lose its asterisk via the resumption of its union status, after at least 50 percent plus one of the players vote to return to being a union, and in turn to accept the terms of the new labor deal.

They’re cutting it pretty damn close.

Albert Breer of NFL Network reports that Monday’s meetings in Manhattan have ended, with the lawyers for the two sides meeting until 6:30 p.m. ET.  U.S. Magistrate Judge Arthur Boylan arrived at 3:00 p.m. ET.

Meanwhile, members of the NFLPA* Executive Committee are gathering in Washington, D.C., to evaluate the proposed deal.  On Wednesday, the player reps will meet in Washington to evaluate the proposed deal, in advance of a vote of all players.

Still, there’s no final deal.  And if there’s no final deal, why in the hell aren’t they meeting face to face to get to a final deal?

Apparently, the parties assume that they’ll have enough time tomorrow.  And maybe they will.  But if they don’t, we’ll blame it all in part on the fact that, with the talks truly in crunch time, the meetings ended with more than five hours left in the day.

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38 Responses to “Monday meetings end without a deal”
  1. fonetiklee says: Jul 18, 2011 8:21 PM

    Is Wayne Brady gonna have to choke a bitch?!

  2. lefthooktv says: Jul 18, 2011 8:22 PM

    Well at least EA Sports is prepared if the lockout never ends. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_1aa6myFPI&feature=channel_video_title

  3. willycents says: Jul 18, 2011 8:32 PM

    So, then the owners can discuss it Thursday, maybe vote on it. Ball is in the players court. How long to locate the players to vote? At least a week to peruse the jails across the country to find them, couple weeks to explain the big words to many of them, vote to recertify, vote to reject, vote to re-de-certify, back to square one. Dang it!

  4. tnturner101 says: Jul 18, 2011 8:32 PM

    How will 50% +1 of the players re certify as a union or agree to the new labor deal with players all over the country?

  5. Southpaw says: Jul 18, 2011 8:34 PM

    Is anyone really surprised that they’re waiting until the last possible day to take care of this? Everything they’ve done could’ve been done in about two weeks, five months ago

  6. purpleman527 says: Jul 18, 2011 8:37 PM

    Once again, another made-up deadline passes with no deal. (July 17).

    “Sources now say a deal will be announced on July 20 at 2:14:42 am”

    That’s my WAG.

  7. nevermore52 says: Jul 18, 2011 8:38 PM

  8. mook68 says: Jul 18, 2011 8:41 PM

    I really doubt that this will get done this week. They have wasted all of this time and they are now trying to cram everything into this short window.

  9. thetwilightsown says: Jul 18, 2011 8:43 PM

    Beware mortals: both parties have used us to swing the momentum in their respective directions. I say take the time to think about this season yourselves and ask, “How much of my money do I want these people to have and argue over?”
    Buy a microbrew instead of a major beer company’s mega-promoted light beer. Watch the game with friends at a bar-b-que instead of at some chain restaurant wing joint. Put off buying that DirectTV package you haven’t purchased yet for an extra week or so… just for the hell of it.

    We have power to take control of the game WE MADE THE RICHEST IN THE LAND. We should remind them who’s actually in charge – consider it small penance for the hubris both sides have splooged all over the airwaves these last few months and teach a little respect!

    FansFirstNow. Com!!!!!

  10. illwillthemick says: Jul 18, 2011 8:43 PM

    they really have no clue about hard work.. lets be honest, all them previous weekends they took off was pathetic.. pa-the-tic… i still really dont think thie will even be done this week.. it;ll get to friday and they will say “well we decided to take the weekend off in order to rest from stressfull talk” and then all fans will make a loud fart noise…

  11. trbowman says: Jul 18, 2011 8:47 PM

    I get back from work and what do you know, this is the first headline I see.

  12. realitypolice says: Jul 18, 2011 9:01 PM

    The deal needs to be ready by Thursday for the owner’s to vote on it.

    So how is it not being done today “cutting it pretty damn close”?

    They have two more days and they are going to use them.

    That’s really all there is to it.

    Stand down, Chicken Little Nation.

  13. stupadassle says: Jul 18, 2011 9:02 PM

    If they don’t get a deal done they can blame it on George Bush, again.

  14. jooceman says: Jul 18, 2011 9:02 PM

    i’ve never seen such a huge bunch of ball-scratching procrastinators

  15. TIM says: Jul 18, 2011 9:11 PM

    NO ! It can’t be true,that the union is going to recertify the moment a deal is signed(or just before a deal is signed,so the union actually exists to sign it).
    What a sham from day one the union tactics were and are !!!
    Oh well,anyone with a grey cell working knew that the owners would get a much bigger piece of the pie when the smoke cleared,it was just a matter of how much bigger the slice would be.
    All the drama over the last 4 Months and it was a done deal all along that the owners would win.But then that is only fair,since it is THEIR business and they invested all the capitol and took all the risks etc.
    I am glad to hear that the current players have finally decided to take care of the retired players,after decades of neglecting them and keeping all the $ for themselves !!!

  16. rcali says: Jul 18, 2011 9:11 PM

    R they really going to push a deal through so they can play the lame Hall of Fame game?

  17. jdog21b says: Jul 18, 2011 9:12 PM

    I really can’t grasp them leaving so early if there isn’t an understanding to a deal.

    We have heard during previous discussions how they went into the night and how Arthur Boylan advocated staying later on a couple of occasions. If Boylan was at this meeting, I can’t imagine he let them leave so early if there were issues big enough to prevent the plans for this week.

  18. bleedgreen says: Jul 18, 2011 9:13 PM

    So… why do the players have to vote? The union doesn’t exist, right? They are nothing but a trade organization. And what happens if the players reject the deal via vote (They won’t, but what if?)

    If the deal has a condition that the Union re-certifies, that wouldn’t happen until AFTER the deal is ratified by both parties, so if the head of the ‘trade organization’ was given proper authority to do a deal, what the players say at this point should have little or no merit to the process of getting a deal done, no?

  19. stanklepoot says: Jul 18, 2011 9:15 PM

    What’s the issue? They players reps plan to vote on Wednesday and then pass it on to players, and the owners plan to vote on Thursday. The time up until the players reps meet to vote will be taken up hashing out any last minute details and finalizing the language. They also need to work out the details of the settlement and/or resolution of the lawsuits. It’s tedious, but necessary. I’ll worry when there are reports that the sides are in a standoff over any one issue.

  20. rugdog100 says: Jul 18, 2011 9:19 PM

    Drop your balls.

  21. lovesportsandsurfing says: Jul 18, 2011 9:20 PM

    I hope the lockout goes on forever.

  22. lefthooktv says: Jul 18, 2011 9:56 PM

    [youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_1aa6myFPI&w=560&h=349%5D

  23. tommyf15 says: Jul 18, 2011 10:09 PM

    thetwilightsown says:
    We have power to take control of the game WE MADE THE RICHEST IN THE LAND. We should remind them who’s actually in charge

    You don’t have the power to take or be in charge of anything.

    We’re consumers and nothing more. That’s the reality.

    For example, I could buy lunch at a restaurant five days a week. Do I have any say over whether the restaurant changes their prices, portions, ingredients, employees, or seating?

    NO, I WOULD NOT.

    What is it about sports that make people lose their minds?

  24. mvpanthersfan11 says: Jul 18, 2011 10:22 PM

    I guess you all can blame it on Cam Newton since everyone already hates on him anyways

  25. realitypolice says: Jul 18, 2011 10:37 PM

    bleedgreen says:
    Jul 18, 2011 9:13 PM
    So… why do the players have to vote? The union doesn’t exist, right? They are nothing but a trade organization. And what happens if the players reject the deal via vote (They won’t, but what if?)

    If the deal has a condition that the Union re-certifies, that wouldn’t happen until AFTER the deal is ratified by both parties, so if the head of the ‘trade organization’ was given proper authority to do a deal, what the players say at this point should have little or no merit to the process of getting a deal done, no?
    ==============================

    The players will not vote on the new CBA directly. The agreement will be worded so that the vote of 51% of the players to re-certify the union will also serve to ratify the CBA.

  26. realitypolice says: Jul 18, 2011 10:42 PM

    mook68 says:
    Jul 18, 2011 8:41 PM
    I really doubt that this will get done this week. They have wasted all of this time and they are now trying to cram everything into this short window.
    =============================

    It amazes how so many people on here seem to have this vision of the principles involved in this to be stupid or disorganized or lazy.

    Whatever you think of them personally, none of these people got to where they are in life by being incompetent or foolish.

    They have picked the completion date.

    They identified the remaining issues.

    They have alloted enough time for each issue so that they will have the deal wrapped up by Wednesday evening in time for a Thursday vote.

    Not to sound like a broken record, but this was never going to be done one minute before it had to be. That’s the nature of contentious business negotiations.

  27. realitypolice says: Jul 18, 2011 10:46 PM

    tnturner101 says:
    Jul 18, 2011 8:32 PM
    How will 50% +1 of the players re certify as a union or agree to the new labor deal with players all over the country?
    ==========================

    They have this amazing thing now called the “internet”. It allows people all over the world to communicate instantly.

    Seriously, there are a hundred ways they can do it. They could have every player email their vote by a certain time, they could set up a web site where each player could log in with a password and vote, etc.

    Besides, they only need 51% of the players to vote, because every single one is going to vote “yes”.

  28. vikingsinla says: Jul 18, 2011 10:53 PM

    Just think, if the relocation of the Vikings from MN to LA was agreed upon, the league and the player’s union would have more disputes. Why won’t the player’s union* accept the move??!

  29. PanchoHerreraFanClub says: Jul 18, 2011 11:32 PM

    Oh well, we have more “reporting” that there is going to be a deal. What the heck ever happened to solid reporting? Mike, go to work hacking phones for News Corp, it would be a step up for your career.

  30. bangyourhead4 says: Jul 18, 2011 11:50 PM

    The players are saying to themselves, lets let the owners sweat a little. We will wait to the last second to sign off on the deal. Its part of the game people. Sad but true.

  31. goawayeverybody says: Jul 19, 2011 12:03 AM

    Always put off until tomorrow what you could have done today.

    (or something like that)

  32. sdw2001 says: Jul 19, 2011 12:32 AM

    bleedgreen says:
    Jul 18, 2011 9:13 PM
    So… why do the players have to vote? The union doesn’t exist, right? They are nothing but a trade organization. And what happens if the players reject the deal via vote (They won’t, but what if?)

    If the deal has a condition that the Union re-certifies, that wouldn’t happen until AFTER the deal is ratified by both parties, so if the head of the ‘trade organization’ was given proper authority to do a deal, what the players say at this point should have little or no merit to the process of getting a deal done, no?
    ———————-

    No..and you clearly don’t understand how labor contracts work even at a basic level. The players have to vote. The NFLPA* Executive Committee doesn’t have the authority to accept on their behalf. The players will vote to accept the agreement and re-form the union, so it can be bound by the new CBA. As another poster mentioned…it’s possible this vote will be one and the same, or at least simultaneous. It’s no different than any other union contract. The agreement has to be presented to the members. The only difference here is that said union has to legally re-form at the same time. Of course, this shows that the entire decertification process was a sham to begin with, but that’s another matter.

  33. ehatem says: Jul 19, 2011 12:58 AM

    So as I understand it we’re right back to being at 320 million apart except this time its tied to a one time only type of payment. At least from the player’s perspective. For the owners its about judicial oversight. Fine. Give each time a one time only 10 million dollar credit towards this year’s salary cap that they can use or not use. Use it on a bad contract and get it off the books. Keep it in your back pocket this year in case a retired quarterback decides to pop in uninvited. Whatever. In addition, the 10 players listed in the lawsuit can be franchised but only at a level that reflects the top 5 salaries in the game. Not position, game. Each additional year tack on 25 percent. In return, end judicial oversight of the CBA. Boom, done. Football.

    I will say that I think its nonsense that the players are trying to recoup 320 million from last year. Whose fault is it they lost that money? Is it the owners or the players who ratified the last CBA in which the 320 million was taken away? Last year was uncapped, but still under a CBA. The old CBA didn’t officially end until the very last pick was taken in this year’s draft. Total nonsense, especially when we’re this close to getting the damn thing done.

  34. dewalt2990 says: Jul 19, 2011 7:02 AM

    Sounds like they have the deal done on paper. But the entirety of it has got to pass the player’s eye test. Then it can move onto the owners. No worries.

  35. pftstory says: Jul 19, 2011 7:25 AM

    tnturner101 says:
    Jul 18, 2011 8:32 PM
    How will 50% +1 of the players re certify as a union or agree to the new labor deal with players all over the country?

    I suppose you have not heard of this new thing they have out? Its called the internet. Al gore created it a few years back.

    They have these things called websites. Some are even based on reporting news and rumors about just one sport.

    Maybe they could use that internet thing to get the information to the players.

  36. pftstory says: Jul 19, 2011 7:31 AM

    Realitypolice. Guess I should have finished reading the existing comments before I ened up echoing your thoughts to turner,

  37. vetdana says: Jul 19, 2011 8:31 AM

    I cant wait for Friday…. to see how many of us, who have said “plenty of time yet” and “everything is ok”, are going to have to eat crow !! Training camps are suppose to open Friday plus team meetings. Crunch time is NOW !

  38. thetwilightsown says: Jul 19, 2011 3:49 PM

    tommyf15 says:
    Jul 18, 2011 10:09 PM

    You don’t have the power to take or be in charge of anything.

    We’re consumers and nothing more. That’s the reality.

    For example, I could buy lunch at a restaurant five days a week. Do I have any say over whether the restaurant changes their prices, portions, ingredients, employees, or seating?

    NO, I WOULD NOT.

    What is it about sports that make people lose their minds?
    _________________________________

    It’s unlikely you’ll ever see this – probably too busy telling people what they can and can’t do somewhere else, but never the less:

    You’re wrong.

    No big deal. You’re just like the rest of the sheep: Wrong, weak, easily led.

    Oh and by the way, I manage a bar and restaurant – been doing this sh*t for years. (Yep, just like lots of other mortals.) The customer dictates EVERYTHING. We stop selling an item, we look at why it doesn’t sell and we make adjustments… it’s called a consumer driven market and it’s the backbone of our economy. Never more so than now, when people can get a wild hair up their ass and spend their energy trying to change something they don’t like. (rather than spend that energy reminding people to keep their heads down… like you’re doing here)

    It’s never been more possible. You know what you might consider? Trying.

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