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		<title>By: axespray</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 23:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yo&#039; Brees...

Reggie White, Jerry Kramer, most of the &quot;Drug using drunk&quot; retired guys wouldn&#039;t screw over the rest of the league for themselves....
just saying....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yo&#8217; Brees&#8230;</p>
<p>Reggie White, Jerry Kramer, most of the &#8220;Drug using drunk&#8221; retired guys wouldn&#8217;t screw over the rest of the league for themselves&#8230;.<br />
just saying&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: skoobyfl</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 22:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Drug test all of them before one check goes out, they&#039;ll catch one &amp; pay them $0.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drug test all of them before one check goes out, they&#8217;ll catch one &amp; pay them $0.</p>
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		<title>By: stanklepoot</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 22:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[sj39 says: Jul 19, 2011 2:47 PM

Manning, Brees, and Brady all stand a good chanch of losing their locker rooms this season.
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What does Brady have to do with this? He already has a contract, and I haven&#039;t read or heard anywhere that he&#039;s asking for anything special. Personally, I have nothing against most of these players trying to get a LITTLE something for themselves. They put their butts on the line when they added their names to the lawsuit. In the past, owners have retaliated against certain players because they were upset with the union and those players were reps or union officers. As long as they don&#039;t let things sidetrack the settlement (which I highly doubt, since they&#039;ll have to face their fellow players after this is all over), I have no problem with most of them trying to get a little something in the settlement. I do have a problem with Peyton asking to be exempt from the franchise tag, however. Yes, he put his name on the lawsuit, but immediately after that he ran for cover and acted like he didn&#039;t know what a lawsuit was. At least Brady and Brees  answered questions about the lawsuit. Peyton, however, was so worried about his public image and his advertising deals that he refused to answer a single question about the issue. The only time we heard from him was after the breakthrough when he said it was time to get the deal done. Way to put your butt on the line there Peyton. He just wants the exemption so he can squeeze even more money out of the Colts, as if he hasn&#039;t signed max contracts since day one. He let himself be franchised the last time his contract was up so that he&#039;d have a much higher starting salary when he negotiated this past deal. Now that he&#039;s getting older and has had two neck surgeries, he doesn&#039;t want to risk playing things out a bit and getting injured. He just wants to jump straight to the uber-contract with all of that guaranteed money. Funny thing is, I remember reading posts Colts fans wrote earlier where they said Peyton was such a team guy he&#039;d take a little less to help the team. LMAO on that one then, and even more so now. By the time Peyton is done with the Colts, not only will they not be able to afford a quality backup QB, they won&#039;t be able to afford a defense...oh, wait.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sj39 says: Jul 19, 2011 2:47 PM</p>
<p>Manning, Brees, and Brady all stand a good chanch of losing their locker rooms this season.<br />
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What does Brady have to do with this? He already has a contract, and I haven&#8217;t read or heard anywhere that he&#8217;s asking for anything special. Personally, I have nothing against most of these players trying to get a LITTLE something for themselves. They put their butts on the line when they added their names to the lawsuit. In the past, owners have retaliated against certain players because they were upset with the union and those players were reps or union officers. As long as they don&#8217;t let things sidetrack the settlement (which I highly doubt, since they&#8217;ll have to face their fellow players after this is all over), I have no problem with most of them trying to get a little something in the settlement. I do have a problem with Peyton asking to be exempt from the franchise tag, however. Yes, he put his name on the lawsuit, but immediately after that he ran for cover and acted like he didn&#8217;t know what a lawsuit was. At least Brady and Brees  answered questions about the lawsuit. Peyton, however, was so worried about his public image and his advertising deals that he refused to answer a single question about the issue. The only time we heard from him was after the breakthrough when he said it was time to get the deal done. Way to put your butt on the line there Peyton. He just wants the exemption so he can squeeze even more money out of the Colts, as if he hasn&#8217;t signed max contracts since day one. He let himself be franchised the last time his contract was up so that he&#8217;d have a much higher starting salary when he negotiated this past deal. Now that he&#8217;s getting older and has had two neck surgeries, he doesn&#8217;t want to risk playing things out a bit and getting injured. He just wants to jump straight to the uber-contract with all of that guaranteed money. Funny thing is, I remember reading posts Colts fans wrote earlier where they said Peyton was such a team guy he&#8217;d take a little less to help the team. LMAO on that one then, and even more so now. By the time Peyton is done with the Colts, not only will they not be able to afford a quality backup QB, they won&#8217;t be able to afford a defense&#8230;oh, wait.</p>
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		<title>By: stanklepoot</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 22:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ebenezergrymm says: Jul 19, 2011 2:35 PM

“And what does that sound like? It sounds like precisely what the NFL did when it was supposed to be maxing out the shared TV revenue in 2009, but instead cut its own deal for lockout insurance.”

I knew you couldn’t write an article that long without taking some dig at the owners when the subject clearly is about how greedy the players are.

But guess what.

You’re little lockout insurance jab doesn’t work anymore now that DSmith came out and said he secured lockout insurance for the players.

You should remember that since the article is right here on PFT. From just a few days ago.
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Big difference between the lockout insurance case and the lockout insurance De Smith picked up. In the case of the NFLPA, they&#039;re simply paying a premium for an insurance policy that would pay them in the case of an extended lockout. Just a typical insurance policy, only on a grand scale. In the lockout insurance case, the problem is that the owners were negotiating with the tv networks for revenue they already had a contractual agreement with the players to share. In their capacity as sole negotiator, however, the owners left extra revenue on the table in return for guarantees that would bolster the position of the owners in the case of an extended lockout. In other words, they went behind their partners&#039; backs and made a deal that sacrificed some of their partners&#039; money in order to make a deal that would help them further screw their partners in the upcoming negotiations. Huge difference. Oh, and before there&#039;s a big argument about whether the owners and players are partners, I simply used that term as a quick way to refer to the fact that they had an agreement in place to share the revenue the league took in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ebenezergrymm says: Jul 19, 2011 2:35 PM</p>
<p>“And what does that sound like? It sounds like precisely what the NFL did when it was supposed to be maxing out the shared TV revenue in 2009, but instead cut its own deal for lockout insurance.”</p>
<p>I knew you couldn’t write an article that long without taking some dig at the owners when the subject clearly is about how greedy the players are.</p>
<p>But guess what.</p>
<p>You’re little lockout insurance jab doesn’t work anymore now that DSmith came out and said he secured lockout insurance for the players.</p>
<p>You should remember that since the article is right here on PFT. From just a few days ago.<br />
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Big difference between the lockout insurance case and the lockout insurance De Smith picked up. In the case of the NFLPA, they&#8217;re simply paying a premium for an insurance policy that would pay them in the case of an extended lockout. Just a typical insurance policy, only on a grand scale. In the lockout insurance case, the problem is that the owners were negotiating with the tv networks for revenue they already had a contractual agreement with the players to share. In their capacity as sole negotiator, however, the owners left extra revenue on the table in return for guarantees that would bolster the position of the owners in the case of an extended lockout. In other words, they went behind their partners&#8217; backs and made a deal that sacrificed some of their partners&#8217; money in order to make a deal that would help them further screw their partners in the upcoming negotiations. Huge difference. Oh, and before there&#8217;s a big argument about whether the owners and players are partners, I simply used that term as a quick way to refer to the fact that they had an agreement in place to share the revenue the league took in.</p>
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		<title>By: frankvzappa</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 22:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow.  A chink in the heroic Brees&#039; armor.  We all knew Peyton, Jackson, and Mankins were douches, now Brees joins that list forever.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  A chink in the heroic Brees&#8217; armor.  We all knew Peyton, Jackson, and Mankins were douches, now Brees joins that list forever.</p>
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		<title>By: therillest</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 21:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok, I got my season tickets in the mail yestarday and I aims to use every damn one of them...so everyone needsto get their headsout of their asses and get these boys in camp!! GO JAGS!!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I got my season tickets in the mail yestarday and I aims to use every damn one of them&#8230;so everyone needsto get their headsout of their asses and get these boys in camp!! GO JAGS!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: dewalt2990</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 21:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Peyton: My mommy says my poopies special.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peyton: My mommy says my poopies special.</p>
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		<title>By: jwil444</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 21:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok, can we now stop talking about what great guys manning and brees are?  cant see them holding up a deal though, at least not for long.....their peers would kill them]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, can we now stop talking about what great guys manning and brees are?  cant see them holding up a deal though, at least not for long&#8230;..their peers would kill them</p>
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		<title>By: CKL</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CKL]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 21:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eaglesfan-
We probably will never know the exact truth with Mankins as far as if his gripe was legit or not b/c Pats don&#039;t discuss contracts publicly. All I know is that he called Mr.Kraft a liar and Mr Kraft was reportedly moved enough by it to want an apology. There has also been reports that Mankins WAS offered a pretty competitive deal but again, we will likely never know the truth.
All I&#039;ll say on that is this: The Pats under BB have never paid over what they consider their top value for any player, no matter how beloved. So if Mankins is surprised they won&#039;t make him the highest paid guy at his position in the whole NFL it&#039;s hard to see why. Heck even when they ponyed up the big cash for Seymour&#039;s extension the guy kept bitching. The Pats are STRAIGHT business, 24-7 and the day Brady isn&#039;t worth his salary to them, he&#039;ll be gone too. Say what you will but that&#039;s as fair as it gets meaning guys know what to expect when they go there as FA or re-sign. They make their decision with eyes wide open.

I heard Schefty say on NFL Live that there is absolutely NO  way that Manning &amp; Brees get exempted from the FT, FWIW.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eaglesfan-<br />
We probably will never know the exact truth with Mankins as far as if his gripe was legit or not b/c Pats don&#8217;t discuss contracts publicly. All I know is that he called Mr.Kraft a liar and Mr Kraft was reportedly moved enough by it to want an apology. There has also been reports that Mankins WAS offered a pretty competitive deal but again, we will likely never know the truth.<br />
All I&#8217;ll say on that is this: The Pats under BB have never paid over what they consider their top value for any player, no matter how beloved. So if Mankins is surprised they won&#8217;t make him the highest paid guy at his position in the whole NFL it&#8217;s hard to see why. Heck even when they ponyed up the big cash for Seymour&#8217;s extension the guy kept bitching. The Pats are STRAIGHT business, 24-7 and the day Brady isn&#8217;t worth his salary to them, he&#8217;ll be gone too. Say what you will but that&#8217;s as fair as it gets meaning guys know what to expect when they go there as FA or re-sign. They make their decision with eyes wide open.</p>
<p>I heard Schefty say on NFL Live that there is absolutely NO  way that Manning &amp; Brees get exempted from the FT, FWIW.</p>
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		<title>By: patsandsox</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 21:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Manning doesnt make enough off his stupid commercials? That surprises me. 
Great QB, but I bet if a nickel gets dropped around him he would break arms to get it first. 
The only thing I want to caution is I am not even sure if this is true or is just another reporter trying to create a headline and get people worked up. 
I do seem to remember the Colts owner promising to make Peyton the highest paid player in the NFL as soon as the CBA was resolved so I am not sure why he would be holding things up.
Mankins may have a legit gripe but they way I read this his agent has asked for anything yet.  Infact if you read the entire post the only one that has asked for anything is Jacksons agent.  Thats why I think this whole thing may be BS.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manning doesnt make enough off his stupid commercials? That surprises me.<br />
Great QB, but I bet if a nickel gets dropped around him he would break arms to get it first.<br />
The only thing I want to caution is I am not even sure if this is true or is just another reporter trying to create a headline and get people worked up.<br />
I do seem to remember the Colts owner promising to make Peyton the highest paid player in the NFL as soon as the CBA was resolved so I am not sure why he would be holding things up.<br />
Mankins may have a legit gripe but they way I read this his agent has asked for anything yet.  Infact if you read the entire post the only one that has asked for anything is Jacksons agent.  Thats why I think this whole thing may be BS.</p>
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		<title>By: tamonty67</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 21:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a Chargers fan I can say that Jackson is a complete TOOL!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Chargers fan I can say that Jackson is a complete TOOL!</p>
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		<title>By: aldavisisthenfl</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 21:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brees was always about the money, ask his Mother........]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brees was always about the money, ask his Mother&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: cpinct</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 21:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[cdwains says: 
Jul 19, 2011 2:45 PM 

I am totally with with cdwains on this one.  I do not typically side with big business but in this particular case, my feeling is that the owners are the ones that stand to lose everything.  They are the ones who spent the money on the franchise and pay all the players very well to play a game.  This story exemplifies what the players are all about - and I find it very hard to be in their corner on the issues at stake (and I really would like to be able to side with the players).

Mankins and Jackson - have either of these guys played more than half the games over the past two seasons?  Do we really care if we never see them again?

Brees and Manning - I can&#039;t wait for their offensive lines to &quot;miss&quot; a block as a little payback for looking out for themselves more than all the players that they are supposed to represent.  In fact, I am sure Manning will get up with that whinny look on his face, and that will be a very enjoyable moment for all who remember this lockout.

I love football, especially NFL football, and I hope to be watching it in early September.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cdwains says:<br />
Jul 19, 2011 2:45 PM </p>
<p>I am totally with with cdwains on this one.  I do not typically side with big business but in this particular case, my feeling is that the owners are the ones that stand to lose everything.  They are the ones who spent the money on the franchise and pay all the players very well to play a game.  This story exemplifies what the players are all about &#8211; and I find it very hard to be in their corner on the issues at stake (and I really would like to be able to side with the players).</p>
<p>Mankins and Jackson &#8211; have either of these guys played more than half the games over the past two seasons?  Do we really care if we never see them again?</p>
<p>Brees and Manning &#8211; I can&#8217;t wait for their offensive lines to &#8220;miss&#8221; a block as a little payback for looking out for themselves more than all the players that they are supposed to represent.  In fact, I am sure Manning will get up with that whinny look on his face, and that will be a very enjoyable moment for all who remember this lockout.</p>
<p>I love football, especially NFL football, and I hope to be watching it in early September.</p>
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		<title>By: catman72</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 21:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brees loves New Orleans and felt &quot;called&quot; to be there, he just doesn&#039;t want to be trapped there by a franchise tag when he can more more $ somewhere else... thanks for showing your true colors Drew, LOL]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brees loves New Orleans and felt &#8220;called&#8221; to be there, he just doesn&#8217;t want to be trapped there by a franchise tag when he can more more $ somewhere else&#8230; thanks for showing your true colors Drew, LOL</p>
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		<title>By: hrmlss</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 21:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If this is true, and they &quot;blowed up&quot; the whole deal, with their side deals, I hope they lose all their endorsements. Kind of like making ignorant statements on twitter, people hate you and the Company doesn&#039;t want the PR crap rubbing off on them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this is true, and they &#8220;blowed up&#8221; the whole deal, with their side deals, I hope they lose all their endorsements. Kind of like making ignorant statements on twitter, people hate you and the Company doesn&#8217;t want the PR crap rubbing off on them.</p>
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		<title>By: bsreimer</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 20:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t get me wrong, screw Brees and Peyton. But, Brees&#039; argument may be warranted because he has to deal with The Claymaker and Bursari Raji in a few months....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, screw Brees and Peyton. But, Brees&#8217; argument may be warranted because he has to deal with The Claymaker and Bursari Raji in a few months&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: eaglesfan290</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[eaglesfan290]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 20:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Both Mankins and Jackson lost millions because they held out not because of the Tag. It would be false to say they lost million just because they had the Tag placed on them. The Tag is the average of the top 5 player’s salaries at that position. 

The reason they were pissed is they were both told they would be taken care of and neither the Pats nor Chargers made them a priority! In Mankins case he is a small town guy and felt he had a gentleman’s agreement with Kraft, Mankins actually is a man of principle and for that I respect him. Jackson is an egomaniac and wants to get a long term deal and be a Top paid receiver...................but in reality he isn&#039;t a Top 5 receiver in the league..........so by no stretch did he lose millions. 

The only thing the Tag does in practical terms is retain a player to a team it doesn&#039;t in theory cost him money unless he has a career ending injury in that year. This is why they are both pissed; there is no security in having the Tag placed on a player. Now from an Owner’s perspective keep this in mind when you sign a young player who you see promise in to a long term deal the player out plays that contract and demands to have his contract re-negotiated …………along the same lines there is nothing fair about that. The player signed the deal, he was given long term security, he then outplays the deal refuses to report and then holds out……………………this happens all the time. 

Mankins has a legitimate gripe with Kraft I will give him that Jackson is a spoiled brat!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both Mankins and Jackson lost millions because they held out not because of the Tag. It would be false to say they lost million just because they had the Tag placed on them. The Tag is the average of the top 5 player’s salaries at that position. </p>
<p>The reason they were pissed is they were both told they would be taken care of and neither the Pats nor Chargers made them a priority! In Mankins case he is a small town guy and felt he had a gentleman’s agreement with Kraft, Mankins actually is a man of principle and for that I respect him. Jackson is an egomaniac and wants to get a long term deal and be a Top paid receiver&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.but in reality he isn&#8217;t a Top 5 receiver in the league&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.so by no stretch did he lose millions. </p>
<p>The only thing the Tag does in practical terms is retain a player to a team it doesn&#8217;t in theory cost him money unless he has a career ending injury in that year. This is why they are both pissed; there is no security in having the Tag placed on a player. Now from an Owner’s perspective keep this in mind when you sign a young player who you see promise in to a long term deal the player out plays that contract and demands to have his contract re-negotiated …………along the same lines there is nothing fair about that. The player signed the deal, he was given long term security, he then outplays the deal refuses to report and then holds out……………………this happens all the time. </p>
<p>Mankins has a legitimate gripe with Kraft I will give him that Jackson is a spoiled brat!</p>
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		<title>By: polishkingski</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[polishkingski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 20:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[much to my dissapointment i am really starting to hate peyton manning. yeah, i live my life vicariously thru him, i would love to have been the best of the best in the best league that plays a sport that i have dearly loved since i was five but his lust for money seems to have no end. mark my words, this guys got his eye on bigtime politics when he hangs up the jock. maybe brady can kick his ass as a dem like he did on the field most of the time. peyton will end up g.o.p darling that won`t win when it really matters.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>much to my dissapointment i am really starting to hate peyton manning. yeah, i live my life vicariously thru him, i would love to have been the best of the best in the best league that plays a sport that i have dearly loved since i was five but his lust for money seems to have no end. mark my words, this guys got his eye on bigtime politics when he hangs up the jock. maybe brady can kick his ass as a dem like he did on the field most of the time. peyton will end up g.o.p darling that won`t win when it really matters.</p>
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		<title>By: phillyforlife</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[phillyforlife]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 20:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Give them UFA and sign them at vet minimum  the tag money will look so much better to these guys]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give them UFA and sign them at vet minimum  the tag money will look so much better to these guys</p>
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		<title>By: firstroyal</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[firstroyal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 20:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We’ve believed since we first heard of the “lockout insurance” case that the NFL was in the wrong

god forbid a business does something thats in its best interest]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We’ve believed since we first heard of the “lockout insurance” case that the NFL was in the wrong</p>
<p>god forbid a business does something thats in its best interest</p>
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		<title>By: thefiesty1</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thefiesty1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 20:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DeMo is NO leader.  That&#039;s been the problem all along.  Manning, Brady, et al have enough $$$ so just shut up and sign the deal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DeMo is NO leader.  That&#8217;s been the problem all along.  Manning, Brady, et al have enough $$$ so just shut up and sign the deal.</p>
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		<title>By: gimmeabruschi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gimmeabruschi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 20:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This tells us who is who.

All the Brady haters take note, Tom isn&#039;t trying to throw a monkey wrench into the whole machine for his own self interest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This tells us who is who.</p>
<p>All the Brady haters take note, Tom isn&#8217;t trying to throw a monkey wrench into the whole machine for his own self interest.</p>
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		<title>By: bison4me</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bison4me]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 19:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s time for the other 1890 players to go  A Few Good Men style and order a Code Red on Brees, Manning, Mankins, and Jackson.  Brees in particular has not looked good in the whole process.  The statements he made in regards to the retired players and now him trying to cut a side deal leads me to think this guy is one selfish S.O.B.

It also leads me to believe that all these guys, Brees and Manning more so, could lose their locker rooms.  I know Brady&#039;s name is on the lawsuit, but I haven&#039;t heard him demanding anything.  I used to couldn&#039;t stand Brady, but I have a new found respect for him, IF he isn&#039;t trying to cut any deals.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s time for the other 1890 players to go  A Few Good Men style and order a Code Red on Brees, Manning, Mankins, and Jackson.  Brees in particular has not looked good in the whole process.  The statements he made in regards to the retired players and now him trying to cut a side deal leads me to think this guy is one selfish S.O.B.</p>
<p>It also leads me to believe that all these guys, Brees and Manning more so, could lose their locker rooms.  I know Brady&#8217;s name is on the lawsuit, but I haven&#8217;t heard him demanding anything.  I used to couldn&#8217;t stand Brady, but I have a new found respect for him, IF he isn&#8217;t trying to cut any deals.</p>
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		<title>By: tommyf15</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tommyf15]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 19:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Earlier today, Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports reported that Patriots guard Logan Mankins and Chargers receiver Vincent Jackson have requested either free agency or $10 million each in exchange for their signature on the settlement of the case. &lt;/i&gt;

Both Mankins and Jackson lost millions of dollars last year due to the franchise tag. I don&#039;t blame them for either seeking compensation or moving forward with their lawsuit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Earlier today, Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports reported that Patriots guard Logan Mankins and Chargers receiver Vincent Jackson have requested either free agency or $10 million each in exchange for their signature on the settlement of the case. </i></p>
<p>Both Mankins and Jackson lost millions of dollars last year due to the franchise tag. I don&#8217;t blame them for either seeking compensation or moving forward with their lawsuit.</p>
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		<title>By: dietrich43</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dietrich43]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 19:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Precedent was set with the Reggie White case, where the named plantiffs did get special treatment.

Why didn&#039;t all the players sign?  I&#039;m assuming that the named plantiffs had to spend some time on this action, more than the other players spent (which is probably &#039;none&#039;).  

I think they&#039;re entitled to ask for something.  Cash doesn&#039;t seem appropriate, but getting the White &#039;no franchise tag&#039; treatment is reasonable.  Maybe Peyton should ask for extra-tall hats to cover his sixhead.

Now, if they hold up the CBA by refusing to sign unless they get special treatment, then I&#039;ll bash them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Precedent was set with the Reggie White case, where the named plantiffs did get special treatment.</p>
<p>Why didn&#8217;t all the players sign?  I&#8217;m assuming that the named plantiffs had to spend some time on this action, more than the other players spent (which is probably &#8216;none&#8217;).  </p>
<p>I think they&#8217;re entitled to ask for something.  Cash doesn&#8217;t seem appropriate, but getting the White &#8216;no franchise tag&#8217; treatment is reasonable.  Maybe Peyton should ask for extra-tall hats to cover his sixhead.</p>
<p>Now, if they hold up the CBA by refusing to sign unless they get special treatment, then I&#8217;ll bash them.</p>
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		<title>By: homelanddefense</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[homelanddefense]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 19:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;patriotsdefense says: Jul 19, 2011 3:13 PM

This is why Tom Brady’s name was first on that list. Love him or hate him he’s a team first guy.&quot;


Yeah it probably has nothing to do with the fact his name comes first alphabetically.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;patriotsdefense says: Jul 19, 2011 3:13 PM</p>
<p>This is why Tom Brady’s name was first on that list. Love him or hate him he’s a team first guy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah it probably has nothing to do with the fact his name comes first alphabetically&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: silverhornet</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[silverhornet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 19:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But these guys are only trying to do what is best for their families...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But these guys are only trying to do what is best for their families&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: garyln7</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[garyln7]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 19:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well said Mike....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Mike&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: kwalk4780</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kwalk4780]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 19:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Im sick of the innocent Drew Brees crap.  Dude is greedy as the rest of us.  No wonder he wanted part of the negotiations last week.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im sick of the innocent Drew Brees crap.  Dude is greedy as the rest of us.  No wonder he wanted part of the negotiations last week.</p>
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		<title>By: BroncoNick</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BroncoNick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 19:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow... When will enough be enough??? None of these guys are hurting for money right now....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230; When will enough be enough??? None of these guys are hurting for money right now&#8230;.</p>
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