Dayton leaves door open for a Vikings stadium special session

AP

The Minnesota Legislature has, via a special session, solved the state’s budget mess.  But the Vikings stadium situation continues to be unresolved as the team enters the lame-duck season of its Metrodome lease.

On Tuesday, Governor Mark Dayton expressed reluctance to call a second special session before the Legislature returns to its normal schedule in 2012.  On Wednesday, he seemed to hint that, with the right bill to present to the politicians, perhaps he would.

Dayton called the proposed plan to build a stadium in Ramsey County “incomplete and unsatisfactory,” according to the Associated Press.  But Dayton said that he will “seriously consider” bringing the Legislature back if/when he’s presented with a stadium bill that represents a “good deal for Minnesota.”

So there you have it.  Unless the powers-that-be can conjure up a “good deal for Minnesota,” the Vikings will be saying “good bye to Minnesota.”

96 responses to “Dayton leaves door open for a Vikings stadium special session

  1. as much as i hate the viking’s this is bad for business, seriously… i don’t want to have to change my name to bears suck! nfc north won’t be the same, get it done minny!( stop being cheap bastards)

  2. See ya vikes. We’ll miss great moments like these:

    41-Donut
    Love boat
    vikes miss draft clock
    NFC championship Game knee
    wizzinator
    12 men in the huddle
    walker trade
    favre pass across the body
    denny book/lawsuit against owners
    denny harrassment suit
    d. underwood
    moss trying to get posse on field
    moss I play when I want to play

    and who can forget?

    4 Super Bowl losses

    Seriously, do you really care if they leave? Why?

  3. The Vikings aren’t leaving and I’m sick of PFT and this crap and people that don’t live here believe in this BS reporting they do. It bothers me till no end. This story is about getting new damn turf, that’s it. They throw in this LA crap and everyone around the country believes it. I live in Minneapolis and know exactly what’s going on. It will be brought for proposal in a second session and will pass if not then, then next spring. They are talking to the Vikings right now to sign a 1 year more lease and will guarantee them they will pass the new stadium bill. Where is that news? Why do they keep deleting my comments and links? I hate this site, it’s like the TMZ of football. Pure gossip and nonsense to stir the pot. When this is finally passed they will get non stop emails from me for at least 3 years.

  4. Really not that hard. Minnesota pays 300 million, Ramsey county/Arden Hills pay 300 million, Vikings/NFL kick in 400 million. I thought that was allegedly the proposed deal.

    Hint to Zygi: drop the “r” word for once. Second legislative session would be called before you can say “Los Ang….”

  5. Don’t you mean unless they conjure up a good deal for billionaire Zygi?

    He’s demanding that his serfs pay him homage. How can anyone argue with that? On your knees before your betters, unworthy Minnesota dogs.

  6. Too bad, Vikes fans. Inevitable result of living in a liberal state. Spending is so much fun till you’re bankrupt.

  7. So long farewell auf weidersehen goodbye!

    Hopefully this means the Duluth station will show more Packers games when the Queens move.

    Welcome St. Louis Rams to the NFC north!

  8. dayton inherited a terrible situation in MN from former govenor (and current GOP presidential hopeful) pawlenty. i cannot blame him for not forcing the vikings issue with all the problems that needed to be worked out to get the state running again. i believe that he will open it up again in the fall to make sure something gets done for the vikes.
    is a little disconcerting that he said the offer presented was incomplete and unsatisfactory because the vikings obviously thought they had it all worked out. they were saying a deal was pretty much done about a week ago and were just waiting for the budget debate to be over.
    they have done everything they can to get this stadium issue resolved, i hope that they continue to be patient. even if a deal isn’t done in a special session this fall it is still possible that a stadium bill would be passed in the 2012 session but at that point it is true the vikes would be the proverbial ‘free agent.’

  9. If I were LA , or that guy that is trying to get the team there, the sun wouldn’t rise before I had the Vikings out of Minnesota. Not the fans fault, but blame Dayton; Ziggi gave the state chance after chance after chance.

  10. I wish people would stop calling me obsessed with the Vikings. I hate them and it’s not just because of what they did to me when I was young. It’s not my fault! It’s not my fault!

  11. Hey guys….. read something else besides PFT, the Vikings aren’t moving anywhere…. Why do people buy into this crap… How come they never report the real news…like the fact they are going to sign another year lease for a guarantee on a stadium bill pass. The Vikings aren’t leaving. I have posted like 6 links that keep getting deleted for some reason…. I wonder why????

  12. I thought when those guys invited me out to dinner and said they were Vikings that they were really Vikings. That whole night was unspeakable, it was a very good dinner but I feel so ashamed about what happened afterward. But I’ll never forgive them or the real Vikings either for that matter. My parents disowned me and venting my rage on the Vikings is the only job I’ve been able to get since that horrible night in Madison.

  13. @ mdnittlion,

    I believe the Vikings have sold out every game since the start of the 1998 season. It’s not like the fans are neglecting the team . The people of Minny do care. FYI Gov. Dayton campaigned, in part, on getting a stadium built for the Vikings. Just wanted to clear things up a bit for you. Vikings fans are dying for this stadium to get built. We’ve been stuck in the diseased dome too long!!!

  14. Many people to blame but no one talks about a business leaving the state that is in a nine billion dollar industry. For a state that need revenue and an economic boost that is horrible business.

    Good or bad, our government is set up to help the wealthy.

  15. Don’t get to riled about what Mark Dayton says. Google him you’ll see he is heavily mediated for mental illnesses. When he was a US Senator he emptied his Senate office because he was afraid. No other Senator did what he did.

    He’ll change his mind a couple more times.

  16. I like how this is going. Kinda like watching my dog chase its tail. Always gets close but in the end misses out.

  17. Still, in spite of the shame, every time I think of those strong arms around my waist… ooo la la…

  18. @carlieatschmidt

    That’s cute. Make fun of kids who have been abused. Typical viking turd.

    Although, I’m actually glad you have this website you can use to “act out.” Probably goes a long way to saving a kid or two from a whole lot of pain.

  19. @daz

    They are talking to the Vikings right now to sign a 1 year more lease and will guarantee them they will pass the new stadium bill. Where is that news?

    ___

    Really? Who is talking to the vikings? Why would the vikings do this? the only leverage they have is threatening to leave? Why would they sign a short-term lease? And what magical means are you using to build a stadium in 1 year? Why don’t you cite a source? And the voices in your head don’t count..

  20. 41-Donut
    Love boat
    vikes miss draft clock
    NFC championship Game knee
    wizzinator
    12 men in the huddle
    walker trade
    favre pass across the body
    denny book/lawsuit against owners
    denny harrassment suit
    d. underwood
    moss trying to get posse on field
    moss I play when I want to play

    and who can forget?

    4 Super Bowl losses

    The Minnesota Vikings—making the Packers look superior by the minute………!

  21. We have to be understanding with Carl Gerbilshidt. One can only imagine the miserable existence this terd has where his only happiness comes from mean spirited swipes at all Vikings related stories.

  22. krow101 says: Jul 20, 2011 8:44 PM

    Don’t you mean unless they conjure up a good deal for billionaire Zygi?

    Another genius. Buddy, you do realize that major corporations are given all sorts of tax incentives, yes at taxpayer’s expense, so they do not move their companies to other states and/or countries, right?

    I’m sure you also realize that this is not “welfare” for a billionaire but more a state “loan” that is payed back over a 30 year period with interest and where the government actually makes money, just like they did with the Metrodome, right?

    And finally, you do realize that the county tax that is proposed is going to be based on usage of the facility so the people going and enjoying the games will be the major people supporting it with their share of “stadium tax”, right?

    No, you didn’t know any of this? Then why the ***k are you opening your stu pid trap?

  23. I hate you, Vikings, and yet I can’t stop thinking about you. For I am carlgerbschmidt. And, no matter what, we’ll always have Oshkosh.

  24. @carlieatschmidt

    Your imagery is a little too vivid to be made up. Something must have happened at some point. You really should talk to somebody about this.

    Maybe you and locutus can hug it out.

  25. dogsweat1 says:
    Jul 20, 2011 10:10 PM
    41-Donut
    Love boat
    vikes miss draft clock
    NFC championship Game knee
    wizzinator
    12 men in the huddle
    walker trade
    favre pass across the body
    denny book/lawsuit against owners
    denny harrassment suit
    d. underwood
    moss trying to get posse on field
    moss I play when I want to play

    and who can forget?

    4 Super Bowl losses

    The Minnesota Vikings—making the Packers look superior by the minute………!

    **Please do not forget***
    Jim Marshall running the wrong way
    Jim McMahon bombing on Monday night
    Arizona Cardinals last second TD
    Antonio Freeman catch off his head
    Tommy “DWI” Kramer
    Darrin Nelson Drop
    Ticket Scalper Tice

    In spite of all this…we still love the Vikings. Now that is loyalty.

  26. All you non Viking fans who know absolutely nothing about the state of Minnesota ….just shut up!!! Your making yourselves look like true idiots….

  27. Incomplete and Unsatisfactory?? What in the wide-wide-world of sports else did Ziggy have to do other then put it in MPLS?? Don’t sink the Vikings ship in Minnesota because Minneapolis lawmakers sat on their ass for years and did nothing! When Ziggy broke an agreement with Blaine it was because MPLS city leaders and business leaders persueded him back! Then all they did was build Target Field and become the most bicycley city and the most artsy city and do nothing for the Vikings. They introduced nothing workable on any bill that had almost anything to do with keeping the Vikings in Minnesota!! The only one’s trying to keep the Vikings in MPLS were MSFC because now it’s the lone tenant! And now Dayton says incomplete because it’s Arden Hills and not Minneapolis, that’s the foul smell of pure BS!! Well all know damn well this bill would’ve been taken into consideration if it were downtown!

  28. Yes, I am carlgerbschmidt! Always here with a smile on my greasy lips and a jiggle in my jowls! Don’t think of me as a lonely, morbidly obese, middle aged man with an unnatural interest in all things Vikings! Think of me as carl, king of the doublewides!

  29. DAYTON , YOU KNEW THIS WAS COMMING, not like i expect ypu tp be reading this.
    BUT if you ” the state” can tax things sold at th staduim, then you should put money into it.
    OTHERWISE

  30. There is a true diffiance between Viking fans and other fans ….it’s called having respect and pride for your team after many years of heartbreak and never ever wanting to give up being a Viking fan!!! We have one of the strongest fan bases out there for life!!!! SKOL to all of you on here Vikes will get their stadium ….then all the idiots talking cheap talk because it makes them feel better about themselves will probably criticize the new stadium because that is all they know how to react…..idiots!!!

  31. WOW, got cut off, and thats a mess,,, bascaily was saying , was IF THE STATE WANTS TO TAX EVERYTHING AT THE STADIUM, THEN THE STATE SHOULD FORK UF THE CASH , otherwise , SHUT THE F— UP, and we can all wacth them move to LAKER COUNTRY” OURS BTW”

  32. @ voice of reason,

    They keep deleting my comments and links. Ask them..( at least 7 now) Why do that? because it ensures the team here. But everyone can keep talking they really aren’t leaving. Drink the PFT kool aid while they delete all my posts and links give for the 7th time in 3 hours.

  33. locutus says:Jul 20, 2011 10:22 PM

    krow101 says: Jul 20, 2011 8:44 PM

    Don’t you mean unless they conjure up a good deal for billionaire Zygi?

    Another genius. Buddy, you do realize that major corporations are given all sorts of tax incentives, yes at taxpayer’s expense, so they do not move their companies to other states and/or countries, right?

    I’m sure you also realize that this is not “welfare” for a billionaire but more a state “loan” that is payed back over a 30 year period with interest and where the government actually makes money, just like they did with the Metrodome, right?

    And finally, you do realize that the county tax that is proposed is going to be based on usage of the facility so the people going and enjoying the games will be the major people supporting it with their share of “stadium tax”, right?

    No, you didn’t know any of this? Then why the ***k are you opening your stu pid trap?
    ____________

    Hey Locutus, I have a question.

    If it’s such a great deal, why has it been 10 years with no progress? Seems like a slam dunk great deal for minny the way you describe it. I don’t understand why everybody just isn’t begging to get the deal done with the vikes? Please enlighten me. Thanks.

  34. For I am carlgerbschmidt and I live to loathe you, Minnesota Vikings! And yet, I find you strangely attractive. Especially you, Visanthe, with your beguiling ways. Your lips say no no, but your eyes say yes yes!

  35. @ TB. It’s not the fans here. They are screaming new stadium.. It’s the state budget shutdown, they were worried about a backlash if they passed something like that right away. Since they keep deleting my links go look at twin cities dot com and look at the Tom Powers article under the Vikings section. They have deleted that link the 7 times I have posted it now. It’s getting done, it’s just a matter of time.

  36. I am a 16 year season ticket holder-I follow every piece of news about this-where in the HELL do you guys get your bogus info that the Vikings are going to sign a one year extension at the MetroDump??? I have checked both newspapers websites, all four local news stations and their websites, the local KFAN sports radio website and there is NO mention of any of this crap you guys are talking about. Ramsey County commisioner Tony Bennett was quoted saying the Vikings are NOT HAPPY and thinks they will pack up and leave-just for reference he talks to the Wilf’s everyday-I highly doubt he would say that unless they said something something about that.
    and for you people on here that don’t get who carl gerbschmidt is-it’s a ficticious person that calls the Dan Barrerio show on KFAN in the cities-who is a big Packers geek who gets angry and talks like he is retarded

  37. In spite of all this…we still love the Vikings. Now that is loyalty.

    Yes.

    Packer Fans get to see that loyalty when they show up at the Metrodome and the majority are for the Green and Gold.

  38. carlgerbschmidt says:
    Jul 20, 2011 8:28 PM
    See ya vikes. We’ll miss great moments like these:

    41-Donut
    Love boat
    vikes miss draft clock
    NFC championship Game knee
    wizzinator
    12 men in the huddle
    walker trade
    favre pass across the body
    denny book/lawsuit against owners
    denny harrassment suit
    d. underwood
    moss trying to get posse on field
    moss I play when I want to play

    and who can forget?

    4 Super Bowl losses

    Seriously, do you really care if they leave? Why?

    Because they’re my team. Is it that hard to understand?

  39. i think most of us would still be viking fans if they moved but the bigger picture is, what would be lost in the local economy if they were to leave, i dont know the numbers but without a doubt minneapolis/minnesota would lose millions in revenue…..i dont see these clowns we elected letting that happen.

  40. to locutus

    “Another genius. I’m sure you also realize that this is not “welfare” for a billionaire but more a state “loan” that is payed back over a 30 year period … Then why the ***k are you opening your stu pid trap?”

    Your servility and devotion to your masters has been well noted. It’s refreshing to see a serf who instinctively knows his place. Now go forth and spread the word like the devoted servant you are. Well done. *pat on the head*

  41. tombradysponytail says: Jul 20, 2011 11:07 PM

    Hey Locutus, I have a question.

    If it’s such a great deal, why has it been 10 years with no progress? Seems like a slam dunk great deal for minny the way you describe it. I don’t understand why everybody just isn’t begging to get the deal done with the vikes? Please enlighten me. Thanks.

    Because people are gullible and indoctrinated into thinking that the dreaded “tax” word is worse than death. Politicians use it to make political hay and people fall for it, apparently like you. It happens all the time and now blows the horns when it involves corporations and other businesses. Yet, since the NFL is high profile, they can’t sweep it under the rug like they did with 3M and others. It surprises me ( not really) just how stupid people can be.

  42. krow101 says: Jul 21, 2011 5:30 AM

    Your servility and devotion to your masters has been well noted. It’s refreshing to see a serf who instinctively knows his place. Now go forth and spread the word like the devoted servant you are. Well done. *pat on the head*

    Yes, closed minded and stu pid. Either understand the entire process or s t f u about it with your deadbeat rallying cry of “no welfare for billionaires”. Your ig norance is astounding and cannot be hidden by a short, condescending, ad hominem filled comment. In the real world, apparently one you do not live in, ideas are discussed and defended with reason and logic. Not childish pap.

  43. Good deal for MN, like no Vikings?

    These clowns said they’d get a deal done. They better get to doing it. I don’t care if they have to work overtime. It is their own incompetence that has led them this far so how are we supposed to feel sorry for them having to work almost as many hours as normal people to fix their mess?

  44. locutus falls to his knees …

    Yes, closed minded and stu pid. …Your ig norance is astounding and cannot be hidden by a short, condescending, ad hominem filled comment. In the real world, apparently one you do not live in, ideas are discussed and defended with reason and logic. Not childish pap…

    That’s the spirit. Defend your masters to the last. I’m glad you can do so without descending to ‘condescending, ad hominem filled’ comments. You have drunk the Kool-aid … or perhaps it’s tea … but no matter, you are what you are. Good doggy… good doggy. Now hurry along … the billionaire’s toilet needs cleaning. And you’re just the fellow for the job.

  45. If I were Zygi Wilf I would not sign any lease extension for the Metrodome until there is a signed deal with the powers that be, including the governor and the legislature.

    The Viking organization, going back to the previous owner, has jumped through every hoop the powers that be requested of them…all along buying into the promise that “you will have your turn…be patient.” Well, times up! The lease on the Metrodome ends this year!!

    Yes, I know that the financial situation in Minnesota is a god-awful mess. Yes, I know that the government has other priorities. The problem is, since 1991, through some pretty lucrative financial times, the Minnesota government has said to the Vikings, “be patient…your turn will come.” Well, a stadium should have been built 10 years ago!!!

    If the Wilf’s keep the team in Minnesota, I hope that they build an open air stadium with their own money and cut the state of Minnesota completely out of the deal. Oh yeah, they should pay any taxes owed the state, completely using pennies only!!!

  46. @ticewasbetter, I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. Watch, if this does come back around this fall or 2012 or whenever, it will be in Minneapolis, either on the Farmer’s Market site or a rennovation of the Dome.

    Dayton’s 180 degree change of heart regarding the Arden Hills deal, combined with the somewhat surreal “Relax, everything will be ok. *wink wink*” quotes from Ted Mondale tell me something is brewing in Minneapolis.

    @dazdillinger213 — The Tom Powers article you keep linking to is an OPINION piece, and a dissenting opinion at that. I’ve just scoured Strib, Pi Press, MinnPost, KFAN, and the NFC North Blog at ESPN, and no one is sharing Powers’ flippant opinion. You really take Powers seriously with quotes like “Oooooo, I’m scared” and “We’re in, like, the sixth inning of this whole process. ”

    Honestly, like, Tom, like, you’re just pulling this out of your like, arse.

    Also, nowhere in that piece does Powers claim that the Vikings are negotiating with the state to extend the dome lease 1 year on condition of a “promise” that a stadium deal will get done in 2012. So I guess you’re pulling that, like, out of your, like, arse.

  47. krow101 says:
    Jul 21, 2011 8:46 AM

    That’s the spirit. Defend your masters to the last. I’m glad you can do so without descending to ‘condescending, ad hominem filled’ comments. You have drunk the Kool-aid … or perhaps it’s tea … but no matter, you are what you are. Good doggy… good doggy. Now hurry along … the billionaire’s toilet needs cleaning. And you’re just the fellow for the job.

    Yes, and yet again no response to the actual facts of the stadium situation. Better to address envy filled strawman arguments with the dead beat rallying cry. Lol Funny as well how your managed to convolute just who is the obedient one; me who is well aware of the financial implications of the stadium issue or you “krows” out the dead beat rallying cry like the best of them! LOL

    Please, at least do yourself the favor of learning what ad hominem means. I know you do love to fancy yourself as “learned”, but for those of us who know, well…

  48. to me it would be the dumbest idea EVER to try and put another stadium in downtown-I am old enough to remember tailgaiting at the Met in Bloomington-some of my favorite memories.
    Why would the Wilf’s give up the chance to make money on parking???? Mpls sat on their hands for 10 years and now cry foul when someone else actually steps up and puts a plan together?? Hey Mpls…..GO F YOURSELVES!!!

  49. locutus

    A wild guess on my part, but I bet people who disagree with you are always stupid. Yeah … in fact I’m sure they are. But don’t let me take away from your Fox News time … off you go … Rush will be on soon.

  50. Wow, sorry I missed all the fun. The fact is that the Vikings and Arden Hills have their acts together but the state has no earthly idea how they’re going to come up with the $300 million they promised. Dayton has never had an idea in his life, other than “tax the rich.” Their original plan was an additional sales tax on sports memorabilia, which will bring in about half of what they projected, and an additional income tax on NFL players who play in the stadium, which is as unconstitutional as you can get. As soon as someone can come up with a workable idea for how the state can come up with its share (racino, anyone?), they will schedule the special session and the deal will be done. I’m sure there are also many people who are holding out hope for another downtown stadium, but Hennepin County isn’t going to pay for it and Minneapolis isn’t going to pay for it, so it isn’t going to happen.

  51. @krow101 –

    How about offering something up to support your opinion? Maybe turn off MSNBC and take a break from Al Franken’s re-election campaign and read a book on basic economics.

  52. krow101 says:

    A wild guess on my part, but I bet people who disagree with you are always stupid. Yeah … in fact I’m sure they are. But don’t let me take away from your Fox News time … off you go … Rush will be on soon.

    Add non sequiturs to your list of strawman arguments and ad hominems. I certainly hope you aren’t formerly educated because that would be a damning indictment on the education system.

    No, you would be wrong (yet again) in thinking that I believe myself to be always right and others who disagree always wrong. But then, that is the dichotomous, black/white thinking of many in the US as they do not have either the intelligence nor the interest to understand concepts and simply parrot what is that is fed them on the tube. I do not watch Fox nor Limbaugh but I do find it humorous that somehow that would be a condemnation of my opinion on the stadium issue, that has nothing to do with Fox nor Limbaugh.

    Do yourself the favor of educating yourself before spouting nonsense. Understand the stadium issue and, if I have missed something or have mistaken a point, then clarify it for me/us. Nonsensical talking points do not constitute debate.

  53. thephantomstranger says:
    Jul 21, 2011 12:07 PM
    @carlieatschmidt –

    I like to make fun of Carl as much as anyone, but let’s try to class it up a little, okay?

    Phantom, I can honestly say I agree with 99% of your comments and opinions. This happens to fall under the 1%. Carl is a malicious tr oll that finds pleasure in other’s misery, especially everything Viking related. Other Packer fans above were civil and even when barbing us, mainted some dignity and decorum. He deserves no civility nor respect and, in reality, should be banned from commenting. He is worse than that other lo ser than finally got the hint and stopped commenting. I forget his handle.

  54. thephantomstranger says:

    @carlieatschmidt –

    I like to make fun of Carl as much as anyone, but let’s try to class it up a little, okay?
    ___________________________________

    I agree with phantom! A line was crossed with your posts. Let’s talk about football…Let’s talk about the stadium…but let’s try some class and civility…it’ll drive Carl nuts!!

  55. Thank you for defending me Phantom Stranger but it’s no use, I am used to scorn and pain for I am carlgerbschmidt. Every day when I wake up and the Vikings are still there a little piece of me dies.

    And Visanthe does not love me so my heart she is broken. I wish to enlist in the Foreign Legion so I may forget.

    But wait! Is that Visanthe walking to his car? Yes! Visanthe my little love bundle, wait for me! Stop running my little peanut brittle, it is I, carlgerbschmidt! We must stoke the fire of passion!

    I strafe you with the ack-ack of love, flowerpot! Come back!

  56. carlieatschmidt says:
    Jul 21, 2011 1:15 PM
    Thank you for defending me Phantom Stranger but it’s no use, I am used to scorn and pain for I am carlgerbschmidt. Every day when I wake up and the Vikings are still there a little piece of me dies.

    And Visanthe does not love me so my heart she is broken. I wish to enlist in the Foreign Legion so I may forget.

    But wait! Is that Visanthe walking to his car? Yes! Visanthe my little love bundle, wait for me! Stop running my little peanut brittle, it is I, carlgerbschmidt! We must stoke the fire of passion!

    I strafe you with the ack-ack of love, flowerpot! Come back!
    ___________________________________

    You are obviously a very creative writer. However, this has gone on long enough. If you are a Vikings fan, then don’t stoop to this level. It’s not classy. As much as I detest some of the things the real Carl writes, he doesn’t deserve what you are doing.

  57. @locutus –

    Even though we’ve chased away most of them, I think there are still a lot of Packer fans commenting on here that border on the classless (tombradysponytail, locutusthebusybody, and phantomthebusybody spring to mind). I think Carl is delusional, overly enthusiastic, and sometimes forgets the difference between friendly ribbing and stomping on an open wound, but what can I say? He entertains me to no end. I’d hate to chase him away.

  58. Okay but first he has to say “I was wrong to so obsessively hate on the Vikings every moment of the day and night. I have seen the errors of my ways and I’m very, very sorry. Whew, actually it feels really good getting that off my chest. I feel like a new man! Maybe it IS possible for me to go through life without venting rage about a football team 24 hours a day! Maybe I can find a new, healthy and socially acceptable hobby to occupy my time and start becoming a productive member of society!”

    He has to say it exactly like that tho and be sincere.

  59. Plus I think I should still be allowed to share some of carlgerbschmidt’s daily adventures if he doesn’t mind and I do it in a joking way and try not to hurt his feelings right? Come on, who’s with me!

  60. @carlie
    Is your manic, psychotic episode over? Are the meds starting to work? Show me one thing in my first post above that is not true? I simply asked a question, why would anyone care about such a ridicululous franchise? Some gave an answer, you went on a manic rant. Hope you’re feeling better now though, you seem to have calmed down a bit.

  61. thephantomstranger says:
    Jul 21, 2011 1:39 PM
    @locutus –

    Even though we’ve chased away most of them, I think there are still a lot of Packer fans commenting on here that border on the classless (tombradysponytail, locutusthebusybody, and phantomthebusybody spring to mind).
    ________

    Chased us away? From what? “Your” post? Is it “yours” because it is about a team you cheer for? Since you’re both such freedom-loving capitalists, I’d think first amendment rights would mean a little more to you.

    And, funny, the “classless” posters seem to also be the ones that disagree with you. At least I assume they do since their usernames have your names and “busybody” in them. Can’t really say that I know where Tom stands…

  62. carlgerbschmidt says:
    Jul 21, 2011 2:19 PM
    why would anyone care about such a ridicululous franchise?
    _____________

    I care about it because they’re the team I grew up with, I stick with them through the good and the bad, they consistently have an above average team (no quarter-century valleys like some teams I could name; hint: it begins with a “g” and ends with an “ay”), and there’s never a dull moment.

    Now what’s your excuse?

  63. carlgerbschmidt says:
    Jul 21, 2011 3:08 PM
    Chased us away? From what? “Your” post? Is it “yours” because it is about a team you cheer for? Since you’re both such freedom-loving capitalists, I’d think first amendment rights would mean a little more to you.

    And, funny, the “classless” posters seem to also be the ones that disagree with you. At least I assume they do since their usernames have your names and “busybody” in them. Can’t really say that I know where Tom stands…
    ____________

    Speaking for myself, I encourage everyone to share their opinions on whatever story they want. To my knowledge, I haven’t done anything to prevent that. Unfortunately, some commenters have chosen to give it up when faced with the magnitude of our logic and wit. Congratulations on not recognizing when you’ve been bested.

    To quote you, “Just bring it!”

  64. thephantomstranger says:
    Jul 21, 2011 3:13 PM
    carlgerbschmidt says:
    Jul 21, 2011 2:19 PM
    why would anyone care about such a ridicululous franchise?
    _____________

    I care about it because they’re the team I grew up with, I stick with them through the good and the bad, they consistently have an above average team (no quarter-century valleys like some teams I could name; hint: it begins with a “g” and ends with an “ay”), and there’s never a dull moment.

    Now what’s your excuse?

    ________

    That’s a fine answer. It’s not like I’m saying you CAN’T care about them. OR aren’t ALLOWED to care about them.

    Or, that Carlieat CAN’T post dozens of rants talking about what can only be described as borderline child abuse and Visanthe Shiancoe h*m*erotica. Well, actually that last one probably shouldn’t be allowed, but we live in America so just about anything goes.

    Why are you all so angry?

  65. Carl,
    I have been a Vikings fan since 1968, when I was the tender age of 7 years old. I have been a fan through thick and thin. I will cease being a Vikings fan when either I cease to exist or the Minnesota Vikings cease to exist. Being a fan of any sports franchise is not a rational thing. It’s highly emotional, because sports, especially football, is highly emotional.

    I have not yet had the chance to visit Minnesota and see my Vikings play a home game. I did see them several years ago when they played and beat the Redskins!!

    As I have said before, my son, whom I love very much, became attached to the Packers when he was a lad of 6 years old. One of the great joys of my life was taking him to Lambeau Field to see the Packers play the Patriots in a pre-Season game. The Green Bay fans we were sitting with couldn’t have been more gracious to me when my son innocently alerted them that I was a Vikings fan.

    Those fans that I met were proud of their team, their community…rightly so. They were also gracious and hospitable. It is this kind of dynamic I would like to see happen here on PFT between Packers and Vikings fans.

    We don’t have to keep picking each others scars!!

    I would like to propose a truce, with the hope that we can extend a hand to one another through cyberspace…and make our rivalry more sportsman like and good natured. I guess I want to know if you think it is even possible? I’m not talking EVERY Viking fan or EVERY Packer fan…I’m just talking about you and me. What do you say?

  66. @vadog

    Accepted. I have no problems with you and congratulations on raising a fine son.

    In all honesty, I have no problems with any viking fans. Harghis bugs me, but he seems to have that effect on a lot of people. I really don’t even have a problem with carlieat, either. I am concerned about him though – having such vitrolic, dark, and disturbing content so at the ready cannot be a healthy thing.

  67. Thanks Carl. You’re a good sport. Tell you what. I’ll make you a deal. I will continue to call out Vikings fans that cross a line, such as I did with carlieat, if you would do the same with some of the more mean-spirited Packer fans? I realize we probably won’t change anyones behavior, but you never know.

  68. Yes, I am cargerbschmidt, the locksmith of love! And you, Visanthe, you are the corned beef to my cabbage! Come, my turkish taffy, I have found a trysting spot for us. Wait! The corned beef does not run away from the cabbage!

  69. for all the idiots talking about what a great investment by the state this would be, look no further than Target Field. 90% of the construction went to out of state bidders. all that was left was low paying seasonal service sector jobs that cannot serve as the basis for a quality economy.

    Sports venues dont bring increased spending to the region either. Those who buy tickets to the games or events are simply redirecting the money they would have spent elsewhere, such as concerts or movies, if the stadium didn’t exist. Rrevenues that flow to professional sports teams are less likely to remain in the local economy because owners and players do not spend a large percentage of their money locally.

    city officials fail to consider, and paid consultants often don’t mention, all of the costs involved. Besides costs of land acquisition, construction, debt service and operation and maintenance, there are the costs of relocating businesses, police and ambulance services for public events, infrastructure improvements, such as highway interchanges, new roads and water and sewer lines, and tax losses that result from property tax abatements on the land used for the new facilities.

    Stop beggin Zygi and pay your own damn bills

  70. Awww, Carl made a freind. How sweet.

    VA- Impossible to change anyone on this site, it’s built around trash talk.

    Carl will turn on you in a matter of days, he can’t help himself.

    There is an old saying that goes-

    You can’t polish a turd.

    This is Carl in a nutshell.

  71. allday24 says: Jul 21, 2011 5:29 PM

    for all the idiots talking about what a great investment by the state this would be, look no further than Target Field. 90% of the construction went to out of state bidders. all that was left was low paying seasonal service sector jobs that cannot serve as the basis for a quality economy.

    If true, which is doubtful, then maybe the local firms should have been more competitive. Don’t you think?

    Sports venues dont bring increased spending to the region either. Those who buy tickets to the games or events are simply redirecting the money they would have spent elsewhere, such as concerts or movies, if the stadium didn’t exist.

    Absolutely wrong. Many companies and businesses rely on such increase in seasonal business. As well, people are flipping a coin in order to decide whether to go a watch the Vikings or the ballet. Many people that are avid or even less than avid football/sports fans will not use that extra money on “other” things. They make the sacrifice to go to their teams games.

    Besides costs of land acquisition, construction, debt service and operation and maintenance, there are the costs of relocating businesses, police and ambulance services for public events, infrastructure improvements, such as highway interchanges, new roads and water and sewer lines, and tax losses that result from property tax abatements on the land used for the new facilities.

    Those are positives for the region, doofus. Not to mention that would be a nidus for increased migration into an area that has better social/government services. Not many people want to live in sparsely populated areas but if it appears an area is being rejuvenated, that attracts people.

  72. @ vkngs77 says:

    I believe the Vikings have sold out every game since the start of the 1998 season. It’s not like the fans are neglecting the team . The people of Minny do care. FYI Gov. Dayton campaigned, in part, on getting a stadium built for the Vikings. Just wanted to clear things up a bit for you. Vikings fans are dying for this stadium to get built. We’ve been stuck in the diseased dome too long!!!

    —————————————————-

    First off selling tickets, doesn’t mean crap. We live in a democracy, if people in your state choose to vote for a guy that isn’t putting the stadium up for a budget debate cause he doesn’t think it’s important, than by extension this constituents don’t think it’s important. That’s how government works if Minny fans were beating down the doors about the situation then the governor might have cared more, but he doesn’t have to cause that’s not the case. Sorry if I was the only one paying attention in civics class.

  73. Welcome back to Pervy!

    Got your wings clipped and you’ve toned it down?

    I can smell you from a mile away!

  74. paulharghis says:Jul 21, 2011 5:54 PM

    Awww, Carl made a freind. How sweet.

    VA- Impossible to change anyone on this site, it’s built around trash talk.

    Carl will turn on you in a matter of days, he can’t help himself.

    There is an old saying that goes-

    You can’t polish a turd.

    This is Carl in a nutshell.
    _______________

    I’m pretty sure nobody was talking to you. Why always so negative? If you have problems why don’t you go solve them? I’m going to go out on a limb and say Supersuckers isn’t missing your friendship much.

    Don’t you have people to lecture on the positive economics of public funding for NFL stadiums?

  75. carlgerbschmidt says:
    Jul 21, 2011 9:07 PM
    paulharghis says:Jul 21, 2011 5:54 PM

    Awww, Carl made a freind. How sweet.

    VA- Impossible to change anyone on this site, it’s built around trash talk.

    Carl will turn on you in a matter of days, he can’t help himself.

    There is an old saying that goes-

    You can’t polish a turd.

    This is Carl in a nutshell.
    _______________

    I’m pretty sure nobody was talking to you. Why always so negative? If you have problems why don’t you go solve them? I’m going to go out on a limb and say Supersuckers isn’t missing your friendship much.

    Don’t you have people to lecture on the positive economics of public funding for NFL stadiums?

    ===================================
    Are you trying to take away my 1st amendmant rights now?
    I can post on whatever I like. I can give this guy advice. If you don’t like it, it’s too bad.

    I could care less what Supersuckers feels about the situation.
    I’m not always negative. I just always disagree with you. You are a pretentious typical Packer fan.

    As long as we are agreeing with you on all your grandiose packer talk, we are good fans. The minute we want to have our own opinion, then we are negative and jerks. You Packer fans think it’s ok to say whatever you want about the Bears and the Vikings, yet when we retaliate, we are negative and idiots.

    The hypocritical double standard is naseous and you are the prime offender.

    Go back and reread your vikings history crap, that’s supposed to be funny, vut god forbid anyone cut the Packers down.

    Something about glass houses comes to mind.

    You are more like me than you think you are.

  76. How exactly would it be possible for me to take away your 1st amendment rights? Anyway, you’re always negative and idiotic, doesn’t matter what you’re posting about. Even when you’re right, you’re generally unpleasant.

    It’s my opinion that you would be better off if you tried to learn something from what happened with Supersuckers. Or not, I don’t care. You’re a putz, even on those few occasions when you’re right, you’re still a putz.

  77. @paul

    Actually, I can think of one difference. I don’t click the little thumbs up after I make my post.

  78. Good Morning Carl…Good Morning Paul!

    Paul, is “retaliation” really worth it? It seems to only raise posters’ ire, and lower the quality of discussion, imo. You’re just egging him on. It’s not worth it.

    Aren’t you guys tired of rehashing stuff with all this name calling? C’mon now. We can have conversations about the teams that we love, even trash-talk a little, without making it personal!

  79. Carl:

    That you pay attention to the thumbs up and down part of this site is laughable.
    Why do you care what a total stranger thinks about you?
    Super and I were friends offline, to compare the 2 situations is idiotic.

    Putz? Unpleasent? Lmao……

    Fish in a barrel.

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