Trying to explain the delay in player vote

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So everyone expected the NFL players to vote on a possible deal to end the lockout on Wednesday, and it didn’t happen.

Since I’m not smart enough to understand why this might have happened, let’s collect a few reports from around the league to make sense of things.

From Alex Marvez: “Source told FOXSports.com delay stemmed from volume of CBA material that must be reviewed.  That’s a lot of stuff to digest in one afternoon.”

Mark Maske of the Washington Post passed along the same reason, with very similar wording from the players’ side.

That would seem to indicate the delay isn’t a huge concern.  Yet.

One “key NFL source” thought the delay raised a “warning flag” according to Daniel Kaplan of Sports Business Journal.

Most interesting was a series of tweets from Jim Trotter of SI.com.  He writes that the players voted to “conditionally approve” the deal pending resolution of a few key items.   NFLPA* class counsel will reportedly continue to work with the NFL in hopes of having agreement before NFL owners vote tomorrow.

“The players vote is conditional, meaning they’re prepared to forward the settlement if certain issues can be resolved with the owners.  One of the issues presumably is the $320 million the players lost in benefits last season during the uncapped year,” Trotter writes.

Chris Mortensen of ESPN echoed the idea, saying the players gave De Smith a “vote of confidence” to finish deal points.  A final vote could take place via conference call.

So what do we make of all this?

The deal isn’t done until it’s done.  Apparently, some negotiations remain.   This is a thorny, complicated process that is tough to hammer through quickly.

If the players truly left things in the hands of DeMaurice Smith, we cautiously doubt it’s anything to fret over.  Smith is the one that brought the 32 player reps together because he had a deal he wanted to present to them.  He’s clearly confident in a deal.

Whatever the “certain issues” are, we’d imagine they can be resolved.

We’ve waited this long.  What’s another day?  (Hopefully.)

UPDATE:  Mike Freeman of CBSSports.com broke it down beautifully on Twitter:

“This is the deal: vote on CBA–no. Vote to settle lawsuit–sorta yes.  CBA by end of week–hell yes.  So calm your asses down, people.”

86 responses to “Trying to explain the delay in player vote

  1. I hear what is holding it up is they want the Packers to relinquish their Subpar Bowl win for cheating. If they agree it is a done deal.

    Wisconsin fears the worst if that happens so they are fighting it tooth and nail.

  2. “If the players truly left things in the hands of DeMaurice Smith, ……..”
    —————————
    Uh-oh !
    Leaving things in the hands of De Smith means one thing.

    The Finger.

  3. Didn’t they say this morning there might not be a vote soon. If it wasn’t good for the players it wouldn’t happen? It sounds as if the reporters are disappointed but I don’t think it matters to anyone but them.

  4. The OWNERS lockedout the Players.
    The OWNERS set a July 21 day for deal to get done.
    The PLAYERS do nto care if league losses PRESEAON MONEY!
    The Players want 2 preseason games this year.
    The DEAL WILL NOT GET DONE UNTIL SEPT 27!!!

  5. “Whatever the “certain issues” are, we’d imagine they can be resolved.

    We’ve waited this long. What’s another day? (Hopefully.)”
    ————————————

    So in other words, you just spent all that time thinking and typing up 13 paragraphs for this story, only to say what you’ve been saying since March 3, 2011, which is, “a deal is close.”

    Nice.

    I’ll nominate you for a Pulitzer.

  6. The owners are gonna end up paying the $320 million just to get this over with. Better to lose $320 mill than losing Billions…. Get the deal done D-Bags

  7. By the sound of things, the players signed off on the terms of the CBA. The problem is that there were unresolved issues with the global court settlement (anti-trust case, lockout insurance case). The conditional approval frees them up to accept total package once these settlement issues are finalized. So, the great news is that the players seem to be agreeing to the terms of the CBA. They just need to finalize the settlement of the lawsuits before things become official.

  8. Why do they think they are owed this 320 million? The greed of the players knows no bounds!

  9. How about you just STFU and dont report a thing until a deal is official.. like REALLY Official, not kinda or almost official.

    Jesus this whole reporting on the CBA ordeal has made media reporters look foolish from the get go. Its been 3 months of this garbage reports because you all strive the break the news first just to backtrack an hour later.

    I’m in the wrong business.. weather and media “reporting” (aka guessing) is where its at.

  10. Uh? Where are all these issues randomly coming from?

    If it’s too much to take in for “one afternoon”, then stay longer.. the players aren’t doing anything?

    You have had months to act like you want to sue for 10 million, or become lazier.

    Shane Falco anyone?

  11. What’s another day?? Umm ya know, hopin and prayin that this damn deal will get done w/ all the optimisim then gettin the cold water bath every evening!

  12. DRAMA QUEENS. If the player reps had only spent thier free time preparing with HOOKED ON PHONICS, they could have gone over the document. They are asking for money that was never promised to them. That borders on extortion.

  13. It makes sense to me that they need some time to read it and think it over. Why rush into a vote? This isn’t a big deal to me and totally understandable.

  14. UPDATE: Mike Freeman of CBSSports.com broke it down beautifully on Twitter:

    “This is the deal: vote on CBA–no. Vote to settle lawsuit–sorta yes. CBA by end of week–hell yes. So calm your asses down, people.”

    Tell you what Mike go @#$% yourself. The fanbase of this sport has had enough of this garbage, and enough is enough. I do not think you fully realize the rage building here. You are obviously an out of touch media D-bag of the lowest sort. You helped build this media mess, and now we need to calm down per your advice?
    Well here is something for you Mike.

    (Middle finger extended high in the air)

  15. No explanation necessary…its called the lack of ability (on the part of the players) to realize that everyday that goes by they are alienating the fans. Then again I dont think they really care, no matter what smoke they try to blow up an orafice. LETS GET THIS DONE!!!!!

  16. How much do you want to bet that if you gave the players the opportunity to approve the deal without even looking at it, there would already be enough votes to pass it (or close to it)?

    Then sit down with the rest who want to go over it and have them vote after.

    Guarantee that after that, there are enough votes to pass it.

    Why drag it out?

  17. The players don’t understand any of the lawyers mumble jumble. Like I didn’t see that one coming. So they need a lawyer to translate to a normal person. Then normal talker to translate to football player talk.

  18. So how many of the players do you really think will read the CBA anyway?
    “That’s a lot of stuff to digest in one afternoon.”….
    The only way they could digest it, is if the ate the paper it was printed on.

  19. These players obviously don’t care to much about a season this year. Freaking BUMS! This has been drawn out waaay to long. If they cared this would have been taken care of immediately. It truly makes you understand why the owners don’t want to give these morons to much of the cut.

  20. The owners’ failure to fully understand the CBA in 2006 is the reason we’re in this mess, so why wouldn’t the players take the time to fully vet the proposal? The same goes for the owners tomorrow. Read it. Understand it. And if you can live with it, sign it. After that, at least ten years should elapse before we’re forced to read tired phrases about “millionaires versus billionaires” and anything to do with the killing of a “golden goose.”

  21. if they turn it down,the players will look like the greedy ones! i think they are at the point where they have to accept it since it’s gone this far!

  22. I have been said for a long time the players are playing cat & mouse game.
    Owners: call for “replacement players” and you will see how the tone game will change Immediately.

  23. snoop24 says: Jul 20, 2011 5:45 PM

    I hear what is holding it up is they want the Packers to relinquish their Subpar Bowl win for cheating. If they agree it is a done deal.

    Wisconsin fears the worst if that happens so they are fighting it tooth and nail.

    ——————

    The hell? I was born in Pittsburgh and even I don’t think the Packers won by cheating. They won because they made 3 big plays on defense. They won that one fairly.

    Anyways, the players need to hurry the hell up. Sign the dotted line and get to practice already.

  24. I suppose the league “darlings” (Brady,Manning & Brees) want to get special treatment before they agree to let their teammates vote on it…

  25. I’ll calm down when I stop getting conflicting media reports every day from this site and my team gets on the field and off their high horse legal platform. They better take their time because you know the owners are better at ‘the language’ of the deal.

  26. It’s hard to read through so many documents when your lips can only move only so fast. That’s not even mentioning the required cartoon drawins and puppet demonstrations necessary to explain and clarify much of the information.

  27. My bet is Kessler is pushing his agenda on the reps all this time while he was not allowed in the talks.
    This is Kessler’s final push to kill the deal and kill the NFL.

  28. By the end of the day Friday there still won’t be a deal and both sides will take the weekend off while this thing drags into the next several weeks.

  29. this needs to hurry up, i heard if this isn’t sorted by august were not gonna get our london game this year, and I WANT MY LONDON GAME.

  30. link49 says:
    Owners: call for “replacement players” and you will see how the tone game will change Immediately.

    Sorry, but it’s illegal for the Owner’s Union to bring in replacement players during a lockout.

    Immediately.

  31. Its a stare down. The players want the owners to accept 1st. Then they look like the winners. If this don’t happen it could go on til next week.

  32. I love the way so many on here are questioning the intelligence of the players. It couldn’t possibly be because 80% of the league is African-American could it?Nah

  33. @link49
    By now at least, even with the idiotic “reporters” that have been covering this fight since the start confusing people as much as informing them, all fans should have come to understand by now that the owners can’t use scab players because they (the owners) , are preventing (locking out) the players from coming to work. So threatening to do something the NLRB would not allow them to ever do would be pretty damn pointless.

  34. “I love the way so many on here are questioning the intelligence of the players. It couldn’t possibly be because 80% of the league is African-American could it?Nah”

    Yeah. Cause when there were more white players we all thought they were sooooo smart.

  35. Maybe they are afraid there is a clause in there that will let the NFL kidnap them and use them for human centipede experiments.

  36. The reason it’s taking so long is that when it came time to explain the complicated settlement issues to the players, someone on their end f’ed up and forgot the crayons.

  37. snoop24 says: Jul 20, 2011 5:45 PM

    I hear what is holding it up is they want the Packers to relinquish their Subpar Bowl win for cheating. If they agree it is a done deal.

    Wisconsin fears the worst if that happens so they are fighting it tooth and nail.

    ==============================

    I would love to hear how you think they cheated. (wow)

  38. “I love the way so many on here are questioning the intelligence of the players. It couldn’t possibly be because 80% of the league is African-American could it?Nah”

    =============================

    No, it’s because 80% of the league is brain damaged, and brain damage knows no racial boundaries.

  39. Anyone else beginning to wonder whether or not these reporters really know what the hell is going on?

  40. The players seem to be acting as if they are completely unaware of the details of this CBA.

    Interesting.

    For them to be demanding the 320 mill would be the equilavent of the owners demanding their 52% cut of the pie to be retroactive.

  41. It does concern me that both sides keep taking off weekends and leaving in the evening like it is a 9-5 deal here. These people should be pulling all nighters and working weekends to get this thing done. Instead of going out for dinner order delivery and stay in there until this is over with so everyone can move on from this.

  42. wizahdry says:
    It does concern me that both sides keep taking off weekends and leaving in the evening like it is a 9-5 deal here. These people should be pulling all nighters and working weekends to get this thing done.

    Typically, the more hours you put into something- construction, accounting, transportation, etc- the quicker you can reach those goals.

    A negotiation is different, and sometimes it really is best for all sides to regroup.

  43. It’s a multi-billion dollar business that is fairly unique. It’s not like going in and asking for a raise or a better parking spot. It’s complicated as hell. Another day is meaningless.

  44. college football is gonna be awesome this year! i’ll be busy cleaning my bathroom on sunday’s. F-off nflpa and nfl, and the idiot who said the packers cheated in the SB.

  45. It simple people…you have 32 football players trying to read a 500 page legal document…

    They’re used to having a smart kid do this for them. They probably spent half the afternoon at Barnes & Noble looking for CBA Cliff’s Notes.

  46. The Packers will be reporting on Saturday wheather there’s a new CBA or not. Uncle Ted Thompson and Mike “Fred Flintstone” McCarthy will be there fo sure.

  47. The Packers will be reporting on Saturday whether there’s a new CBA or not. Uncle Ted Thompson and Mike “Fred Flintstone” McCarthy will be there fo sure.

  48. I fail to see how the players “lost” $320 M that deserves to be paid back. The CBA provided for an uncapped season (which included no salary floor) and the owners simply took advantage of the rules in place at the time as they were allowed to do.

    If a few owners had gotten into huge bidding wars over players and the players had received more than 52% of the pie during the uncapped year, would they be lining up to pay back the extra money and benefits they received.

    This discussion of the $320M makes it sound as though this issue never came up or was addressed in the course of negotiations which seems highly unlikely, unless the negotiators and lawyers were dumb enough to believe that the players wouldn’t care about hundreds of millions of dollars.

  49. If a deal is not done by the end of the week I’m sorely tempted to boycott the entire season. I’m not going to support a league that takes a big dump on it’s fan base for the sake of their own pocket book.

  50. twitter:Chapman_Jamie says: Jul 20, 2011 5:51 PM

    Why do they think they are owed this 320 million? The greed of the players knows no bounds!
    __________________________
    the $320 million represents the amount of benefits that the players lost is the uncapped year. So, they’re not actually owed the money. It’s a case where the players got a great overall deal last time out, but dropped the ball on the terms of what would happen if the owners opted out. the players did, however, win the lockout insurance case. So, why not knock out two issues in one move by settling the lockout insurance case for, I don’t know, $320 million? It represents $10 million per team, and wouldn’t cost them anything more than what they would have paid last year in a normal year. It would also dispose of the lockout insurance case, which could cost them even more if they wait for Doty to rule on the damages. Also, if you want to talk about greed, take a look at how far below the cap teams like the Bengals and Bucs are going to be. We’re talking about $50 million each. Between not having to pay for the normal benefits package, taking advantage of the temporary delay in free agency, and the teams that spent under the normal salary floor, the owners used every trick and loophole in the book to pocket as much money as possible last year. I didn’t hear too many people complaining about that. Now, when the players are trying to get just a part of that back, all of a sudden they’re the living embodiment of greed? A little perspective please. Both sides use the rules to gain as much for themselves as possible. Either accept it, or condemn both sides equally.

  51. maverick5266 says: Jul 20, 2011 5:59 PM

    UPDATE: Mike Freeman of CBSSports.com broke it down beautifully on Twitter:

    “This is the deal: vote on CBA–no. Vote to settle lawsuit–sorta yes. CBA by end of week–hell yes. So calm your asses down, people.”

    Tell you what Mike go @#$% yourself. The fanbase of this sport has had enough of this garbage, and enough is enough. I do not think you fully realize the rage building here. You are obviously an out of touch media D-bag of the lowest sort. You helped build this media mess, and now we need to calm down per your advice?
    Well here is something for you Mike.

    (Middle finger extended high in the air)
    _______________________
    Hey brainiac, way to jump all over someone with absolutely no idea what the context was in which that comment was made. It was a tweet, and most likely made in response to a massive number of frantic (and in some cases using language every bit as abusive as yours) tweets sent to him. This was most likely his exasperated response to his twitter followers to let them know that everything hasn’t fallen apart and that there’s no reason to panic.

  52. deadmanwalking47 says: Jul 20, 2011 6:03 PM

    if they turn it down,the players will look like the greedy ones! i think they are at the point where they have to accept it since it’s gone this far!
    _________________________
    Who cares? For all the angry talk, once the deal is done and the season starts, the fans will still be there. I don’t care how many internet tough guys rant and rave, the NFL will continue to increase its revenue, and both the owners and players will make more money. As for the players being “the greedy ones!”, it was the owners that opted out of the old CBA and demanded a larger share of the revenue…and they’re going to get it. and before an endless group of pro-owner people make a serious of obvious points, yes the owners had the right to do so. The same is true for the players here. They have the right to not sign off on a deal until they know what all is in the deal. Oh, btw, it’s kind of hard to give absolute approval of an incomplete offer. The offer that was sent to the players left issues like the settlement of the anti-trust case and the lockout insurance case still unfinished. That’s why the Executive Committee gave its conditional approval, clearing the way for a quick final approval once those issues are dealt with. Giving full approval of the deal they had before them today would be like you dropping your car off at the mechanic and leaving him with a blank check. Yeah, you’ll get your car fixed, but you have no idea what it’s going to cost you until it’s too late.

  53. Question to anyone with a brain: Why should the owners give the $320M for last years benefits, i.e. 401K payments, when they chose to opt out of the CBA in 2009 (?), as written into that agreement was their right, and in return the players recieved an uncapped year in 2010? That was the signed-off agreement by both the players and owners – each gave up something for that uncapped year. Now the players (or lawyers) seem to thing that they can demand payment for something that they gave up in the previous CBA! They are still trying to play a leverage game when there is none.

    I sympathize with the older retired NFL players (pre 1980), they are the ones that real need the extra $$, not the greety current players who if they invest their $ properly they should be fine well after they are done playing, unlike those that made the league what it is today!

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