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		<title>By: southbeachtalent</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/21/nflpa-rep-we-didnt-see-owners-proposal-before-conference-call/#comment-1138191</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[southbeachtalent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 13:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1historian,

I agree with the point that the players need time to digest this information, and that the owners played it perfectly (hence their success). But I will also say that the players comments and accusations sound ridiculous. It seems as if they&#039;re dragging their feet. They must have some idea of what the contract consists of, at least the main points? Their comments to the media seem really mis-informed and quite honestly just dumb. Every player insists that this process can take weeks when they know that they don&#039;t have weeks to complete this process. 

I&#039;ll admit that I did feel as if the owners were pressing the issue, actually presenting a timeline to the press on what the other side was going to do. But when I saw the players reaction I swayed back to the owners side. They acted childish and seem to think the American public is dumb and naive. Don&#039;t say you haven&#039;t seen the contract! It makes your union look incompetent! Why would you have a meeting over an agreement that no one seems to have handy? That’s plain ridiculous. What they should have said and only said was that they needed some time to look over the proposed terms and would be coming to  a vote when they felt they had fully understood the agreement. Plain and simple. 

At the end of the day it comes down to educated, well versed businessmen vs. jocks. Guess who&#039;s winning?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1historian,</p>
<p>I agree with the point that the players need time to digest this information, and that the owners played it perfectly (hence their success). But I will also say that the players comments and accusations sound ridiculous. It seems as if they&#8217;re dragging their feet. They must have some idea of what the contract consists of, at least the main points? Their comments to the media seem really mis-informed and quite honestly just dumb. Every player insists that this process can take weeks when they know that they don&#8217;t have weeks to complete this process. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll admit that I did feel as if the owners were pressing the issue, actually presenting a timeline to the press on what the other side was going to do. But when I saw the players reaction I swayed back to the owners side. They acted childish and seem to think the American public is dumb and naive. Don&#8217;t say you haven&#8217;t seen the contract! It makes your union look incompetent! Why would you have a meeting over an agreement that no one seems to have handy? That’s plain ridiculous. What they should have said and only said was that they needed some time to look over the proposed terms and would be coming to  a vote when they felt they had fully understood the agreement. Plain and simple. </p>
<p>At the end of the day it comes down to educated, well versed businessmen vs. jocks. Guess who&#8217;s winning?</p>
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		<title>By: m2karateman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[m2karateman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Those of you getting mad at the owners now, stop.  While we don&#039;t know the exact nature of what the differences were in the proposed CBA, I have to believe that what the owners did was protect themselves in case:

A) The players as part of the Brady Anti-Trust suit chose NOT to settle the case after the owners approved the agreement

and

B) The players chose not to recertify the NFLPA after the owners approved the agreement.

This all came about because the players want things THEIR way, and wanted the owners to approve the agreement before they did.  Don&#039;t blame the owners for trying to protect themselves.  

If these were the provisions, along with possibly a reduction in the salary cap this year if the players forced the reduction of pre-season games, then I don&#039;t blame the owners one bit and neither should anyone else.

HOWEVER, if the owners tried to hide some other things not related to the above, then I blame them for not getting the deal done.  It&#039;s all a matter of exactly what the deal proposal contained.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those of you getting mad at the owners now, stop.  While we don&#8217;t know the exact nature of what the differences were in the proposed CBA, I have to believe that what the owners did was protect themselves in case:</p>
<p>A) The players as part of the Brady Anti-Trust suit chose NOT to settle the case after the owners approved the agreement</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>B) The players chose not to recertify the NFLPA after the owners approved the agreement.</p>
<p>This all came about because the players want things THEIR way, and wanted the owners to approve the agreement before they did.  Don&#8217;t blame the owners for trying to protect themselves.  </p>
<p>If these were the provisions, along with possibly a reduction in the salary cap this year if the players forced the reduction of pre-season games, then I don&#8217;t blame the owners one bit and neither should anyone else.</p>
<p>HOWEVER, if the owners tried to hide some other things not related to the above, then I blame them for not getting the deal done.  It&#8217;s all a matter of exactly what the deal proposal contained.</p>
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		<title>By: melikefootball</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[melikefootball]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess Smith hadhis hat pulled down over his eyes.  He is their rep and they did not know, give me a break.  Players are showing their true selves total GREED. We watch college games with no all premo players and enjoy it we can watch replacement players in the NFL and enjoy as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess Smith hadhis hat pulled down over his eyes.  He is their rep and they did not know, give me a break.  Players are showing their true selves total GREED. We watch college games with no all premo players and enjoy it we can watch replacement players in the NFL and enjoy as well.</p>
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		<title>By: dave20109</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dave20109]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All of these headlines appear to be crap.  If the owners changed anything in the &quot;deal&quot; they approved from what had been agreed to.  The headlines should read- &quot;owners publicly make counter offer&quot;.

This strategy by the owners may be nothing short of brilliant.  Let the players think they have an agreement. Make changes (if they did).  Build dissension in the player ranks.  

The players don&#039;t want to miss paychecks.  While I find the $200 million per preseason week hard to believe, those lost preseason dollars would require the parties to negotiate a new salary cap number for this year.  I predict the players will give in to many of the owners&#039; changes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of these headlines appear to be crap.  If the owners changed anything in the &#8220;deal&#8221; they approved from what had been agreed to.  The headlines should read- &#8220;owners publicly make counter offer&#8221;.</p>
<p>This strategy by the owners may be nothing short of brilliant.  Let the players think they have an agreement. Make changes (if they did).  Build dissension in the player ranks.  </p>
<p>The players don&#8217;t want to miss paychecks.  While I find the $200 million per preseason week hard to believe, those lost preseason dollars would require the parties to negotiate a new salary cap number for this year.  I predict the players will give in to many of the owners&#8217; changes.</p>
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		<title>By: rabiddawg19</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rabiddawg19]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[weren&#039;t the players supposed to vote on &quot;the deal&quot; on wednesday?  shouldn&#039;t they have already SEEN the deal as of tuesday/wednesday???  if they had their poop in a group, then they should have been able to go over things and ratify the agreement.  Then the owners would have had to agree to the deal the PLAYERS already ratified leaving no chance for any of the &quot;mystery terms&quot; that these guys supposedly threw in.  something stinks about this...badly.

i was planning on going to a game or two this year.  that&#039;s no longer the case.  it&#039;s time fans showed them who really holds the power when it comes to this.  

btw, bcdc26, classic and well done.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>weren&#8217;t the players supposed to vote on &#8220;the deal&#8221; on wednesday?  shouldn&#8217;t they have already SEEN the deal as of tuesday/wednesday???  if they had their poop in a group, then they should have been able to go over things and ratify the agreement.  Then the owners would have had to agree to the deal the PLAYERS already ratified leaving no chance for any of the &#8220;mystery terms&#8221; that these guys supposedly threw in.  something stinks about this&#8230;badly.</p>
<p>i was planning on going to a game or two this year.  that&#8217;s no longer the case.  it&#8217;s time fans showed them who really holds the power when it comes to this.  </p>
<p>btw, bcdc26, classic and well done.</p>
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		<title>By: moochzilla</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[moochzilla]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not gong to say Goodell lied (again, as he has numerous times) but he certainly misled the fans with that press conference.

It was made to seem that the CBA they were sending over was the direct result of negotiations between them and D Smith.  In fact, it wasn&#039;t.

Bad faith.  Cynical PR play.  

Once again, Roger treats the fans like they&#039;re stupid. He has zero respect for us.  Which is about what I&#039;d come to expect.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not gong to say Goodell lied (again, as he has numerous times) but he certainly misled the fans with that press conference.</p>
<p>It was made to seem that the CBA they were sending over was the direct result of negotiations between them and D Smith.  In fact, it wasn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Bad faith.  Cynical PR play.  </p>
<p>Once again, Roger treats the fans like they&#8217;re stupid. He has zero respect for us.  Which is about what I&#8217;d come to expect.</p>
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		<title>By: hendawg21</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hendawg21]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The NFLPAsses and the players are so full of BULLSH*T... I mean come on now the football season has been over how long now??? You&#039;ve had how long to get this done???? But no everyone wanted to drag this out try to make the otherside look bad, well you know what you all look like donkey doo right about now. Through this entire thing we heard nothing from the players and the NFLPA but blame, blame, blame in other words poor me, me, me you know what just shut the F up it&#039;s a game not a livelyhood the real world starts after the game when you must get a real job...that&#039;s if you&#039;ve blown are your money before then which most have and do...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NFLPAsses and the players are so full of BULLSH*T&#8230; I mean come on now the football season has been over how long now??? You&#8217;ve had how long to get this done???? But no everyone wanted to drag this out try to make the otherside look bad, well you know what you all look like donkey doo right about now. Through this entire thing we heard nothing from the players and the NFLPA but blame, blame, blame in other words poor me, me, me you know what just shut the F up it&#8217;s a game not a livelyhood the real world starts after the game when you must get a real job&#8230;that&#8217;s if you&#8217;ve blown are your money before then which most have and do&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: lawyermalloy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lawyermalloy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After reading some of the &quot;tweets&quot; from players, i&#039;m convinced that it&#039;s nothing but paranoia that &quot;the man&quot; is taking them. Smitty needs to communicate better with some of these idiots!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading some of the &#8220;tweets&#8221; from players, i&#8217;m convinced that it&#8217;s nothing but paranoia that &#8220;the man&#8221; is taking them. Smitty needs to communicate better with some of these idiots!</p>
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		<title>By: ejmat2</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ejmat2]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The funny thing here is the players choose the reps and hire DeSmith.  That being said, if they don&#039;t trust the person they hired then why not fire him?  

It is just another tactic for the players to delay this and get as much out of this as possible.  It is clear to me who the greedy people are in this case.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The funny thing here is the players choose the reps and hire DeSmith.  That being said, if they don&#8217;t trust the person they hired then why not fire him?  </p>
<p>It is just another tactic for the players to delay this and get as much out of this as possible.  It is clear to me who the greedy people are in this case.</p>
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		<title>By: 1historian</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[1historian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steelcity09: &quot;I will not be attending any games this season nor will I be renewing my NFL Sunday Ticket.&quot;

Right]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steelcity09: &#8220;I will not be attending any games this season nor will I be renewing my NFL Sunday Ticket.&#8221;</p>
<p>Right</p>
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		<title>By: 1historian</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[1historian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Remember those stories yesterday about Mankins and the other guy demanding 10 mil? 
Never happened.
Wanna take some bets on the owners&#039; having planted that story with some scribe who wanted to get a story -  ANY story on line? 

(It&#039;s a restless night out on the prairie, the cattle are nervous, and ANYTHING could set off a stampede.) 

Yeah I know that it&#039;s billionaires arguing with millionaires, a lot of whom are NOT too bright but are athletically gifted - which is WHY they are millionaires, but don&#039;t forget WHOSE money they are arguing over - yours.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember those stories yesterday about Mankins and the other guy demanding 10 mil?<br />
Never happened.<br />
Wanna take some bets on the owners&#8217; having planted that story with some scribe who wanted to get a story &#8211;  ANY story on line? </p>
<p>(It&#8217;s a restless night out on the prairie, the cattle are nervous, and ANYTHING could set off a stampede.) </p>
<p>Yeah I know that it&#8217;s billionaires arguing with millionaires, a lot of whom are NOT too bright but are athletically gifted &#8211; which is WHY they are millionaires, but don&#8217;t forget WHOSE money they are arguing over &#8211; yours.</p>
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		<title>By: jagerbmb</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jagerbmb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a bunch of Horse manure by the Players. They had the chance to vote on the proposal before the owners and dropped the f-ing ball. Just like they have dropped the ball the entire time. The Players walked away from the bargaining table to begin with. The players filed a BS lawsuit that would completely F up the NFL as we know it, even though they said they didn&#039;t really want what that lawsuit would bring. Players bragged about how good their last deal was. The Players brag about how they enjoy not having to go to work. I hope the NFL ends the lockout and hires people that want to go to work. F the Players and their BS.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a bunch of Horse manure by the Players. They had the chance to vote on the proposal before the owners and dropped the f-ing ball. Just like they have dropped the ball the entire time. The Players walked away from the bargaining table to begin with. The players filed a BS lawsuit that would completely F up the NFL as we know it, even though they said they didn&#8217;t really want what that lawsuit would bring. Players bragged about how good their last deal was. The Players brag about how they enjoy not having to go to work. I hope the NFL ends the lockout and hires people that want to go to work. F the Players and their BS.</p>
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		<title>By: bhester1906</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bhester1906]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 10:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Patience people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patience people.</p>
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		<title>By: eagleswin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[eagleswin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 10:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The real question the player supporters should be asking themselves is how many of the player reps say they hadn&#039;t seen any deal before the conference call.  

The players were initially expected to vote on the deal wednesday night.  Therefore, the NFLPA had a chance to vote first on the deal.  That means the NFLPA leaders had the CBA in their hands at a minimum 24-48 hours before the owners voted on it.  

It&#039;s very simple.  The NFLPA lawyers didn&#039;t disseminate the document.  The result is what you see now.  It&#039;s not our fault the NFLPA cries, it&#039;s the evil owners.

Look no further than your leadership and stop blaming others for your mistakes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real question the player supporters should be asking themselves is how many of the player reps say they hadn&#8217;t seen any deal before the conference call.  </p>
<p>The players were initially expected to vote on the deal wednesday night.  Therefore, the NFLPA had a chance to vote first on the deal.  That means the NFLPA leaders had the CBA in their hands at a minimum 24-48 hours before the owners voted on it.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s very simple.  The NFLPA lawyers didn&#8217;t disseminate the document.  The result is what you see now.  It&#8217;s not our fault the NFLPA cries, it&#8217;s the evil owners.</p>
<p>Look no further than your leadership and stop blaming others for your mistakes.</p>
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		<title>By: 1historian</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[1historian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 10:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One more thing - There is an obvious feeding frenzy going on here, which means that in their haste to get their stories on line the press - never too careful in ANY case - will be even LESS so now. Don&#039;t fool yourselves into thinking that the owners don&#039;t know that and are not using the press.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing &#8211; There is an obvious feeding frenzy going on here, which means that in their haste to get their stories on line the press &#8211; never too careful in ANY case &#8211; will be even LESS so now. Don&#8217;t fool yourselves into thinking that the owners don&#8217;t know that and are not using the press.</p>
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		<title>By: 1historian</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[1historian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 10:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The owners have got the deal THEY want with this CBA and they are using the media to pressure the players into accepting it without really understanding it.

Judging from these posts it is working.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The owners have got the deal THEY want with this CBA and they are using the media to pressure the players into accepting it without really understanding it.</p>
<p>Judging from these posts it is working.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Ross]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 07:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I’m just amazed that they still haven’t been able to get a deal done. I thought Thursday was the day. Well, I guess not. There’s still a lot of things unsettled and Peter King said we are looking a mayhem filled weekend. I’ve definitely gotten tired of this but the prospect of the NFL season upon us is too much not to be excited about. It’s going to be interesting to see how things pan out over the weekend and when a deal does get done. 

http://chrisross91.wordpress.com/2011/07/22/the-mirage-of-plaxico-burress/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m just amazed that they still haven’t been able to get a deal done. I thought Thursday was the day. Well, I guess not. There’s still a lot of things unsettled and Peter King said we are looking a mayhem filled weekend. I’ve definitely gotten tired of this but the prospect of the NFL season upon us is too much not to be excited about. It’s going to be interesting to see how things pan out over the weekend and when a deal does get done. </p>
<p><a href="http://chrisross91.wordpress.com/2011/07/22/the-mirage-of-plaxico-burress/" rel="nofollow">http://chrisross91.wordpress.com/2011/07/22/the-mirage-of-plaxico-burress/</a></p>
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		<title>By: dafranchize</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 07:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gene Upshaw is rolling over in his grave. 

He&#039;s got to be saying I gave this idiot (Demaurice Smith) a play by play on how to work with these owners and how to work the players and this is how to turned out?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gene Upshaw is rolling over in his grave. </p>
<p>He&#8217;s got to be saying I gave this idiot (Demaurice Smith) a play by play on how to work with these owners and how to work the players and this is how to turned out?</p>
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		<title>By: jayniner</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 05:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So let&#039;s get this straight....

The players are entitled to 48% of all revenue generated by the NFL(including preseason).

So they&#039;re dragging this out to prove a point, you&#039;re screwing yourselves.

I think that makes this a lose-lose-lose(the 3rd lose is for us fans who are f***ing tired of this, yeah, you know the ones that ultimately pay for this)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So let&#8217;s get this straight&#8230;.</p>
<p>The players are entitled to 48% of all revenue generated by the NFL(including preseason).</p>
<p>So they&#8217;re dragging this out to prove a point, you&#8217;re screwing yourselves.</p>
<p>I think that makes this a lose-lose-lose(the 3rd lose is for us fans who are f***ing tired of this, yeah, you know the ones that ultimately pay for this)</p>
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		<title>By: mathsimillion</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mathsimillion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 05:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Looks like the owners trust the guy they hired to be in charge of this (Goodell) and the players don&#039;t so much.

I find it hard to believe that 32 owners (I guess 31 since Skeletor probably couldn&#039;t read it) read this 600 page document and signed off on it in the same amount of time the 32 players reps couldn&#039;t even get a hold of it much less muddle through it.  

This is just a sign of the players not being organized and being very uneducated when it comes to these types of things.  It also points to the poor leadership in their organization.  They have nobody to blame but themselves really.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like the owners trust the guy they hired to be in charge of this (Goodell) and the players don&#8217;t so much.</p>
<p>I find it hard to believe that 32 owners (I guess 31 since Skeletor probably couldn&#8217;t read it) read this 600 page document and signed off on it in the same amount of time the 32 players reps couldn&#8217;t even get a hold of it much less muddle through it.  </p>
<p>This is just a sign of the players not being organized and being very uneducated when it comes to these types of things.  It also points to the poor leadership in their organization.  They have nobody to blame but themselves really.</p>
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		<title>By: mathsimillion</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mathsimillion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 05:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They didn&#039;t see it before the conference call?  Sounds like that&#039;s your union chief&#039;s fault for not getting it out to you because I guarantee you he and his lawyers had seen it already.  

Hold the right people responsible for once.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They didn&#8217;t see it before the conference call?  Sounds like that&#8217;s your union chief&#8217;s fault for not getting it out to you because I guarantee you he and his lawyers had seen it already.  </p>
<p>Hold the right people responsible for once.</p>
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		<title>By: bigbadjohneaglesnm</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 05:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cmon players stop dropping the ball!! What you got Braylon Edwards hands now!!!!! It&#039;s crunch time! Time to step up in the clutch, don&#039;t pull a Tony Romo!! You got the owners at yer feet! don&#039;t get excited Rex Ryan! We can do some stupid celebration when its done, we&#039;ll have OchoCinco help! Don&#039;t start celebrating to early.... DeSean Jackson!! (hard to say that one I love my EAGLES!!!) You gotta know when to say enough is enough. (Brett Favre) After all like Herm Edwards once said &quot;YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!!&quot; But you gotta have a game to play!!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cmon players stop dropping the ball!! What you got Braylon Edwards hands now!!!!! It&#8217;s crunch time! Time to step up in the clutch, don&#8217;t pull a Tony Romo!! You got the owners at yer feet! don&#8217;t get excited Rex Ryan! We can do some stupid celebration when its done, we&#8217;ll have OchoCinco help! Don&#8217;t start celebrating to early&#8230;. DeSean Jackson!! (hard to say that one I love my EAGLES!!!) You gotta know when to say enough is enough. (Brett Favre) After all like Herm Edwards once said &#8220;YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!!&#8221; But you gotta have a game to play!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: liontomyself</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[liontomyself]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 05:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[gimmeabruschi says:Jul 22, 2011 12:03 AM 

This had been a close game until the 4th quarter.


_________________

I thought the lockout was still on?????
I did not know my Leos were actually playing tonight.......

I kid, 4th quarter has not been too bad in the last year......

Just wanted to give props for a great post!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gimmeabruschi says:Jul 22, 2011 12:03 AM </p>
<p>This had been a close game until the 4th quarter.</p>
<p>_________________</p>
<p>I thought the lockout was still on?????<br />
I did not know my Leos were actually playing tonight&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>I kid, 4th quarter has not been too bad in the last year&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Just wanted to give props for a great post!</p>
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		<title>By: eaglesfanxx</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[eaglesfanxx]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 05:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#039;ve established that the players can&#039;t communicate well.

Why don&#039;t all 32 player reps stay in DC until they&#039;re able to read the proposal?

Why is it so hard to keep all 1900 players up to speed on the negotioations?

The players don&#039;t have a sense of urgency.  They&#039;re too lazy to follow the negotioations.  

The NFL players are unorganized and they&#039;re not acting like professionals! 

The owners have won the PR battle, primarily due to the players inabiltity to communicate and a general lack of urgency.

Way to go, NFLPA.  You&#039;ve officially lost the respect of the fans.   

I&#039;m surprised the players are so stupid.  I knew they weren&#039;t intellectuals, but this is ridiculous!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve established that the players can&#8217;t communicate well.</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t all 32 player reps stay in DC until they&#8217;re able to read the proposal?</p>
<p>Why is it so hard to keep all 1900 players up to speed on the negotioations?</p>
<p>The players don&#8217;t have a sense of urgency.  They&#8217;re too lazy to follow the negotioations.  </p>
<p>The NFL players are unorganized and they&#8217;re not acting like professionals! </p>
<p>The owners have won the PR battle, primarily due to the players inabiltity to communicate and a general lack of urgency.</p>
<p>Way to go, NFLPA.  You&#8217;ve officially lost the respect of the fans.   </p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised the players are so stupid.  I knew they weren&#8217;t intellectuals, but this is ridiculous!</p>
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		<title>By: raiduhdude</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 04:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LOL @ the players. SMH.]]></description>
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		<title>By: ronnie89</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ronnie89]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 04:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Go Broncos!!]]></description>
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		<title>By: beachdoher</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[beachdoher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 04:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[come on mike, its time to intervene...i just came home from a nice warm summer day and and i see all these stupid headlines.....you are the man to make this happen...talk sense into these fools, let them know that we rely on them to improve our quality of life]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>come on mike, its time to intervene&#8230;i just came home from a nice warm summer day and and i see all these stupid headlines&#8230;..you are the man to make this happen&#8230;talk sense into these fools, let them know that we rely on them to improve our quality of life</p>
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		<title>By: kwalaron</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kwalaron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 04:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know I&#039;m as big as an NFL fan as the next guy, but I&#039;m sick and tired of all this already.  Just agree to the deal that is given to you.  The NFLPA achieved it&#039;s goal.  You have a lot of positive things going for you inside this deal.  The players are payed a great deal of money for the gift you were given.  All of us &quot;fans&quot; strugle every single day.  We would do anything to have a salary like you guys do for one year.  Alot of these players need to realize when it comes down to it you aren&#039;t higher than you think you are.  You are an employee or sombody else.  Even though alot of you make millions you still are sombodies employee, someone that makes billions.  Be thankful for what you have and are receiving because one day you won&#039;t be getting paid like that anymore.  If all of us &quot;fans&quot; can feed our families and live a life for 40-50 K a year, a lot of folks even less.  Then making a million or close to a year can get you a lot.  Live within your means, learn how to handle your money.  NFLPA achieved alot and kudos to you, but you have to know that point when enough is enough.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know I&#8217;m as big as an NFL fan as the next guy, but I&#8217;m sick and tired of all this already.  Just agree to the deal that is given to you.  The NFLPA achieved it&#8217;s goal.  You have a lot of positive things going for you inside this deal.  The players are payed a great deal of money for the gift you were given.  All of us &#8220;fans&#8221; strugle every single day.  We would do anything to have a salary like you guys do for one year.  Alot of these players need to realize when it comes down to it you aren&#8217;t higher than you think you are.  You are an employee or sombody else.  Even though alot of you make millions you still are sombodies employee, someone that makes billions.  Be thankful for what you have and are receiving because one day you won&#8217;t be getting paid like that anymore.  If all of us &#8220;fans&#8221; can feed our families and live a life for 40-50 K a year, a lot of folks even less.  Then making a million or close to a year can get you a lot.  Live within your means, learn how to handle your money.  NFLPA achieved alot and kudos to you, but you have to know that point when enough is enough.</p>
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		<title>By: liontomyself</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[liontomyself]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 04:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Best post EVER!!!!

&quot;You’re not out there saving lives, curing diseases or really risking your lives. You’re a bunch of clowns set to amuse our society. That’s it. And I don’t want to hear the “they put themselves at so much physical risk” line either. Personally I don’t think they’re putting themselves at enough risk for the money they make. The game hasn’t evolved since it’s inception, just the opposite. These players think they’ve got it bad? Put a thin layer of leather padding on your head and play with broken bones like the men who created this sport. You want to cry about concussions? Then don’t play. &quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Best post EVER!!!!</p>
<p>&#8220;You’re not out there saving lives, curing diseases or really risking your lives. You’re a bunch of clowns set to amuse our society. That’s it. And I don’t want to hear the “they put themselves at so much physical risk” line either. Personally I don’t think they’re putting themselves at enough risk for the money they make. The game hasn’t evolved since it’s inception, just the opposite. These players think they’ve got it bad? Put a thin layer of leather padding on your head and play with broken bones like the men who created this sport. You want to cry about concussions? Then don’t play. &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: bigbadjohneaglesnm</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 04:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PR GAME NFL VS. NFLPA*
1st quarter:
Players dominate make owners look Greedy!!
2nd quarter: 
Owners seem to be getting blown out!!
3rd quarter:
Owners show signs of life!!
4th quarter: 
Owners fight back tie it up! We head to.....
OVERTIME:
Players come out strong, in field goal range... Wait DO YOU BELIEVE IN MIRICLES!!!! NFLPA** fumbles owners pick up the ball n head the other way!!!! HE COULD GO ALL THE WAY...... We may never know!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PR GAME NFL VS. NFLPA*<br />
1st quarter:<br />
Players dominate make owners look Greedy!!<br />
2nd quarter:<br />
Owners seem to be getting blown out!!<br />
3rd quarter:<br />
Owners show signs of life!!<br />
4th quarter:<br />
Owners fight back tie it up! We head to&#8230;..<br />
OVERTIME:<br />
Players come out strong, in field goal range&#8230; Wait DO YOU BELIEVE IN MIRICLES!!!! NFLPA** fumbles owners pick up the ball n head the other way!!!! HE COULD GO ALL THE WAY&#8230;&#8230; We may never know!</p>
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