Comments on: Players: Owners tried to slip items into CBA

By: mogogo1

mogogo1 — Fri, 22 Jul 2011 17:39:41 +0000

If there were things added, then the players have every right to be pissed. Problem is, none of these angry players are mentioning any specifics, which leads me to believe they don’t personally know what these “things” are but are. It’s becoming obvious that many of these players don’t know what the union negotiated on their behalf. And that’s an issue between them and the union.

By: peanutbutter&jelly

peanutbutter&jelly — Fri, 22 Jul 2011 15:48:20 +0000

i have tried to find all the info i can on this issue and the best i have come up with is that certian things in the agreement revert back to the previous cba IF the nflpa doesn’t sign by 7/30/11 so i ask whats the effin problem? this deal has been agreed on and there are no changes to it provided it is signed by 7/30 so the best i can tell is the nflpa has gotten thier panties in a bunch over being told how long they have before the deal changes and i don’t blame the owners for this, to much b.s. has went on for to long and the owners understand the average fans anger over it. so in short the owners are saying sign this agreement and lets get this thing started and the nflpa is one more time trying to screw this up.and with the exception of a handful a-hole players i bet the vast majority of players want to get going and people like kessler & smith are going to mess this up so i think the players that want to play need to get that message to these guys or get rid of them fast before they lose the season and even more fans

By: lawyermalloy

lawyermalloy — Fri, 22 Jul 2011 13:12:26 +0000

The players are absolutely full of “doodie”; nothing was added that wasn’t agreed to in principle by “Smitty” AND the executive committee if the NFLPA!

By: adstout

adstout — Fri, 22 Jul 2011 13:07:31 +0000

I’m reposting this post just because its the first post i’ve read that made sense. I’m convinced that 95% of the posters/fans have no clue whats going on with the new CBA and just whine that they want football.

If anything these posts are proving how dumb football fans really are! …. except for the below post. Summed up what i’m thinking.

mavajo says: Jul 21, 2011 9:32 PM

So let me get this straight. The owners have a tentative agreement with the players. So then the owners take that agreement, add multiple things to it that solely benefit the owners, and then vote that they all agree with themselves on this new agreement that they just created…and somehow the players are the bad guys here for not agreeing to that?

Unbelieveable. Fans are idiots.

And as another poster said…

Are you telling me that if you had a handshake agreement on a new contract with your boss, but the contract he actually sent you to sign had a bunch of stuff in it you had never even discussed, you would sign it?

If you say yes, you are either a liar or an idiot.

And from the looks of it, most fans are idiots.

By: riverhorsey

riverhorsey — Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:54:59 +0000

I think the fans need to have our attorney look at the agreement and then we vote on it.

By: broncoway

broncoway — Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:44:15 +0000

What exactly did the owners slip in?

I am sure there arent things in there that are that big of a deal. There are things though. Yeah, I am trying to find out what they slipped in there.

Look, this is a 10 year deal.

It is called………………….DUE DILLIGENCE.

We are crazy if we think the players werent going to read everything before signing anything. Havent you all learned to never do that? Ever?

They have till Tuesday. Guess what? The owners could have ratified this deal 2 years ago. They waited till the 11th hour as well. You all think the players won’t?

Yeah it is frustrating. It will get done. That is my prediction.

By: Derty Ernie

Derty Ernie — Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:41:44 +0000

First you need to understand something. There are a lot of issues on both sides being discussed. Some are large and hold up the process the rest are ‘wannabee’s’.
It is not at all unusual for one side, management to agree in principal to the big issues, usually involving money, and not have all the wannabee issues resolved. They put these into the contract with the big issues, hand it to the players, or other side and then in principal the players agree with the big ticket items, accecpt, reject or modify the wannabe’s and they go back to the owners for final approval.
This idea that the owners blind sided the players by adding things is foolish. Of course they did, management always does this.
That’s why they refer to this as ‘negotiating’.
Only the real important big ticket items remain intact.

By: abninf

abninf — Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:35:51 +0000

thephantomstranger says: Jul 21, 2011 9:35 PM

Owners suck. Who’s with me?
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Looks like a minority are with you.

By: panther17

panther17 — Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:28:50 +0000

A tweet does not make true. Show the legal docs. Players had a stance of “show me the books” “open up the books”. Well show the legal docs you received that are different then what you verbally agreed upon.

Until then, this is all just saving face and PR move.

I don’t trust what comes out of the mouths of either sides.

By: m2karateman

m2karateman — Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:22:26 +0000

It’s all a matter of what exactly did the owners put into the deal.
Were they trying to protect themselves against the Brady Anti-Trust suit?
Were they trying to protect themselves against future suits in case the players don’t recertify the NFLPA?
Were they trying to have provisions added in case the players delay their approval and force the reduction of pre-season games this year?

If the answer is yes to any of the above, the owners are not at fault. IF the players were truly interested in getting this done, they’d have voted on approving the deal BEFORE the owners, instead of waiting for the owners to approve.

Regardless, everyone involved in this need to act like grownups instead of pre-schoolers playing in a sandbox throwing dirt all over each other.

By: moochzilla

moochzilla — Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:05:22 +0000

“The owners slipped in language that if recertification didn’t happen by July 30…. the contract reverts to old rules on several issues for 10 years.”

That’s what, in negotiations, we call a “poison pill”.

Goodell and the owners have proven, once again, that they have NO interest in a 2011-2012 season.

Goodell has, as a commish and a man, proven himself to be a cynical liar with no respect for the fans. He mischaracterized what happened when he held that press conference. Plain and simple.

He’s the mailboy son of a hack politician. And he’s acting like a hack politician.

I’m just waiting for them to start talking about an 18 game season again!

By: bunjy96

bunjy96 — Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:42:07 +0000

omething justdoesn’t add up.

If the players said they didn’t see the documents and that’s why they couldn’t vote, then howdo they know “things were in there that were never voted on”he players need to get their stories straight.

DeSmith has lost control.

By: wydok

wydok — Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:13:54 +0000

So…no specifics on WHAT was slipped in, then?

By: unkleruckus

unkleruckus — Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:06:42 +0000

Players are stupid, Players are idiots, Players can’t read..blah blah blah. Yet they make more $$ than 99% of the posters on this site, many of which wear jerseys with the players names on them! And some of you have the nerve to refer to the players as “Losers”??!!SMH

By: voiceofrealism

voiceofrealism — Fri, 22 Jul 2011 10:37:48 +0000

I’m sure the players have no idea what’s in the CBA. I’m sure they never read it. Like most unions the members blindly believe whatever their leaders tell them. So their leaders can continue to grandstand and drag this thing out. Players want to be partners in the NFL. Players are just race horses. Save your game playing for the field.

By: dennis2488

dennis2488 — Fri, 22 Jul 2011 10:34:16 +0000

im not sure how people are bashing the players after just reading this small article. the nfl’s pr firm clearly told the owners to hold a very public vote before the cba was finished to get support on their side. why is everybody so jealous that workers are in a union and get to bargain for rights? im not in a union but that doesnt mean i have a jealous hatred for everybody who is. one of the leagues own owners has sued the the nfl for antitrust practices. donald trump(who hates federal regulators) has even sued the nfl for antitrust. they both won. when are people going to stop drinking the NFL’s kool-aid?

By: texline1

texline1 — Fri, 22 Jul 2011 10:23:58 +0000

What people don’t realize is, most fans don’t care if the contract says that the players are to be taken out and shot after every game, as long as they can be entertained by football. They don’t care that retired players rarely make it to 60 years old, or that the owners want to actually own them. Fans can’t see past the nose on their face and their first thought is always “How does this affect me and my entertainment?” It is just like the days of gladiators. Get in there and kill somebody or get killed yourself so we can be entertained. What a pathetic world we live in.

By: flakazoid

flakazoid — Fri, 22 Jul 2011 07:54:40 +0000

I just don’t care anymore. I’ve had it. I’m going to take all that time I waste watching the Steelers beat the crap out of everyone [for the most part] and spend it with my kids!

Done!

Finished!

By: kenudo

kenudo — Fri, 22 Jul 2011 07:27:33 +0000

Am I the only one that thinks the players are just stalling because their lazy asses don’t want to have a full training camp? That and they think they’re worth a lot more than they really are.

By: schemefactory

schemefactory — Fri, 22 Jul 2011 05:12:01 +0000

usually we hear about the players who are trying to slip one in when they least expect it….

By: golions1

golions1 — Fri, 22 Jul 2011 05:07:23 +0000

If the players had voted first, the owners wouldn’t have been able to make changes. If you believe that the owners did make changes.

By: whitetail28

whitetail28 — Fri, 22 Jul 2011 05:06:47 +0000

mavjo.. Yeah we are all stupid. It couldnt be that the players are just responding to the owners calling them out earlier in the day. It couldnt be that the union reps were misleading the players. Cause Im sure that the owners took out their erasers and changed what the two sides have drawn up and agreed upon.
Lets be real here, if the players didnt like what they saw it was because D Smith wasnt telling them the whole truth.
This is a power play. Pure posturing. although not a good sign at this point.

By: mossholder

mossholder — Fri, 22 Jul 2011 04:36:58 +0000

Oh brother…….this is worse than old ladys fighting over a Majong game!
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I’d rather watch old ladies fight over a Majong game than this B.S. at least that has some comic relief. This is just fking ridiculous

By: steelcity09

steelcity09 — Fri, 22 Jul 2011 04:13:56 +0000

Dear D-Smith, Mr. Kessler, and NFLPA,

You all look like complete under educated fools tonight. The left hand does not appear to know what the right hand is doing in the NFLPA operation!

You got many players tweeting nonsensical things about this, while some Reps saying they did not see a deal and do not know what you are voting on, while other Reps say that the language was changed and that the owners were trying to sneak things in!!! Really? Didnt see it or read it but yet know the language was changed?

Do you all realize how dumb the NFLPA looks tonight? Poorly represented IMO. Too much posturing and wasted time. This could have been done long ago but De Smith and Kevin Mawaaaa wanted to talk tough instead of speaking professionally, properly, and with class.

I know I know, you are close, but theres still a lot of work to get done, right? Well guess what? I AM DONE. TONIGHT WAS THE LAST STRAW FOR ME, and I am sure more will follow the longer you clowns do not settle a new CBA. I will not be attending any games this season nor will I be renewing my NFL Sunday Ticket.

Way too prolong this thing too long and screw things up even worse than anyone ever thought!

By: silverhornet

silverhornet — Fri, 22 Jul 2011 04:09:14 +0000

When pressed on NFLN by Rich Eisen exactly what did the owners slip into the agreement, Heath Evans couldn’t say… well there’s a shocker… Crap rolls downhill. It’s up to the leaders at the top, De Smith and his player reps to communicate it to the players in a form that they MAY BE ABLE to understand. Since this particular player, who is fairly intelligent mind you, couldn’t articulate the specific area of discontent, one would have to conclude that once again the NFLPA leadership has failed miserably in communicating their talking points.

By: hmfic1

hmfic1 — Fri, 22 Jul 2011 04:01:47 +0000

I thought something was fishy when Mike Brown voted for the CBA. He doesn’t vote for anything unless he’s making money. MikeBrown$uck$

By: txbikerguy1961

txbikerguy1961 — Fri, 22 Jul 2011 03:48:28 +0000

I’m just wondering how Chester Pitts’ comments regarding “2 full weeks” until any deal is signed is going to play with the mediator? Is it just me, or does it sound like the players are no longer (if they ever were) negotiating in good faith?

By: dave1961

dave1961 — Fri, 22 Jul 2011 03:43:26 +0000

Notice players are coming forward on NFL network… yet the commissioner and the owners all went into hiding after trying to pull a fast one on everyone….32 crooks in America….just like Art Modell they do something shady…. then slip away in the night…..probably America’s favorite jackass Jerry Jones idea.

By: dave1961

dave1961 — Fri, 22 Jul 2011 03:37:34 +0000

The Owners used the media as their PR machine and had them squawking about Brady plaintiffs making power grabs, when in reality the billionaire owners tried to break federal law. Employers can not force players to reform their union or punish them for not doing it timely.

The owners slipped in language that if recertification didn’t happen by July 30…. the contract reverts to old rules on several issues for 10 years.

Goes to show you never believe billionaires or corporation…. they ruin everything they touch because they are greedy….. can’t trust the rich and the crooked.

By: gimmeabruschi

gimmeabruschi — Fri, 22 Jul 2011 03:32:52 +0000

From the start,

The owners wanted to keep negotiating;

but the players walk out, “de-certify” (yet still act as a union), then go crying to the courts.

The owners welcome them back to the table they have been waiting at the whole time, after the players got shot down in court trying to remove the lockout;

but as a deal through very tough negotiation gets very close, suddenly the players make a last minute money power play and individual players grab for special treatment.

The deal is offered to the players, but they won’t vote on it.

The owners overwhelmingly vote to play football again;

and the players wildly claim the owners added things to the contract, something I have never even heard of the most despicable employers on Earth doing.

See the pattern?

The players suck.