It’s way more than semantics. It’s illegal in many states to sell a ticket to a sporting event at more than face value. Thus, as a season ticket holder, if I am unable to make a game I can only charge face value if I don’t want to break the law and risk losing my season ticket account that I have had for over 20 years.

Also, the Patriots only allow their season ticket holders to sell their tickets through the team’s official ticket exchange network…at face value. So, if your proposal was adopted, and I wish it was, I would be able to get fair value for my tickets based on their value as a regular season ticket. That’s all I ask as a season ticket holder.

As far as blaming fans for attending a game that they love goes, many of us aren’t front runners like they are in Miami. We support our team in New England, as evidenced by 17 straight years of sell outs. You can thank us diehards for subsidizing YOUR team under the proposed luxury tax system in the new CBA. It’s cool though, the cold weather blue states are used to subsidizing the sunbelt red states anyway. It’s nothing new.

“FinFan68 says:
Jul 23, 2011 12:10 AM
@mcarey032:
It is a symantics issue/bad marketing by the owners that has you mad. If you pay $1000 for season tix, you equate that to $100 each game. The owners could charge $112.50 for the 8 reg season games and $50 for each of the two pre season games. You would still be paying the $1000 for the season tix but at least you get the preseason games for less than 1/2 price. You are mad because they print the same amount on each ticket. If you are mad about the hight cost of season tix…blame the fans next to you, not the owners. If nobody bought tix, the price would come down; it’s supply vs. demand not owner price gouging. Concessions/parking fees are another matter “

I don’t care about being rich and sure I would want a fair salary for my job even doing something I loved. But from the details I have seen of what the players have gotten in this deal (provided they are all accurate), I cannot FATHOM why they would want to say no to it after they have time to read it over. There’s something called the law of diminishing returns that I believe basically states that at a certain point, working harder or doing “X” more won’t provide you with a proportional rate of increase on the other end. IMO, it’s time for the player’s side to realize that is now. The owners, by approving the deal, already have.

Don’t be so innocent and naive — have you ever heard of Al Davis and Mike Brown (just to name a couple) – they can be as vindictive as they come. Do some thinking before you start calling someone else out. If you don’t know these two owners then you’re the one who knows nothing about football

The new proposal would stay exactly the same, but would be deemed rejected by the players if they fail to hold a vote on the proposal by Midnight, Monday July 25th.

Put the fire to the player reps to get their guys in line for a vote. They can vote on this thing NOW! They only need 50% plus one vote.

They already dropped the soap in the shower…you think they are going to intentionally drop it again?

Let’s hope the owners are “taking names”. Some of these guys have already played their last game in the NFL without knowing it. Or, who knows, they could be traded somewhere they might not like to be or just rot away “on the bench”. Of course things would have to be done in a fashion that can withstand a lawsuit or intervention by, ugh, the ACLU or the NLRB.

The way some of these players and “union” reps have comported themselves with their immature and childish speaking and twitter outbursts is absolutely disgusting. The owners, in spite of whatever they are trying to bargain for in the new CBA, have not taken the same road in the public sense when speaking as have the players. I think some of these players will rue the day that they publicly villified the owners – and they will have brought it upon themselves

You’re right on the money, but the ignorance out there is truly astounding.

Play the delay game 3 weeks and we’ll have a 4 week preseason and a 13 week regular season.

In the past there were as few as 12 regular season games and as many as 6 preseason games.

The players argued that they would be irrepairably harmed by moving to 18 games… let’s see how they feel about reducing it to 12 games (and 12 game checks).

Get their asses to work.

I don’t care if they cancel the first two pre-season games as we all know it’s the 3rd and 4th games that start to mean something for what will mould the team for the season ahead.

If I am starting out in the NFL, I wouldn’t vote yes on this CBA proposal before I know all the facts. Remember this will affect these players for 10 years, plus years afterwards. Yeah, I’d think I would want to get it right or be miserable for a decade.

I say take your time players. It’s not like I give a damn about the first two pre-season games anyway.

To football fans, it is not just about games in September. It is also the excitement of free agents and trades. It is also about checking team websites after OTA’s and mini-camps to see who impressed the coaches. Fans want to see their teams get better, they want to wonder if the new rookie or new veteran will be the final piece to our superbowl.

The players have do not care about fans or the product on the field, all they care about is their pay check.

Of course NFL players make fun of fans, especially the crossovers from NASCAR and Pro Wrasslin’.

What do the players owe fans that the owners don’t? The fans will pay-up. Yes, they will.

Please understand that the above comment was meant sarcastically.