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Packers presidents says the NFL has “put our pens down”

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The headline seems a lot more ominous than the content of Packers president Mark Murphy’s quote.  The Green Bay Press-Gazette declares that Murphy said “NFL owners are done negotiating.”

The reality is a bit more tame.

We’ve put our pens down,” Murphy said, per Kareem Copeland of the Press-Gazette.  “We’ve negotiated in good faith with the union.  We’ve reached an agreement on all the key points. . . .  They know what we ratified and they’re voting to ratify the same thing.”

Yes, but the players contend that the league slipped some stuff in the deal that the players didn’t know about.  (Of course, the players also said that they didn’t get the final deal in their hands before they were expected to vote on it.)

We’d be more concerned about Murphy’s comments if he’d made them today.  He didn’t.  They came last night.  And as long as any further negotiation doesn’t involve key points, it shouldn’t be an issue.

Moreover, the deal that the owners approved contemplates further negotiation as to the matters necessarily reserved to the province of a union, such as the drug-testing program, the personal conduct policy, and other issues of that nature.

But the league must tread carefully from this point forward with the tough talk.  Of all people, Murphy (a former player) should understand how players will react if they believe they’re being forced to do something.

Hell, they’ll react the same way that most of the rest of us would react.

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  1. waldoampere says: Jul 22, 2011 1:23 PM

    Why can’t he keep his mouth shut rather than trying to antagonize the players before they vote?

  2. deadeye says: Jul 22, 2011 1:23 PM

    “But the league must tread carefully from this point forward with the tough talk. Of all people, Murphy (a former player) should understand how players will react if they believe they’re being forced to do something.”

    ===========================

    The players have talking tough the whole time. I guess they can dish it out, but can’t take it.

  3. bhindenemylines says: Jul 22, 2011 1:23 PM

    For once I am on the owner’s side.

    Stopr screwing around players. Do what you need to do to reconstitute the union and get the deal done.

    Enough already!!!

  4. rollerino1 says: Jul 22, 2011 1:25 PM

    I can understand the players not wanting to be coerced into a deal, but they also need to realize that they are in an inferior position to the owners(billionaires). I’m not suggesting that they agree to a bad deal, but the owners and their army of lawyers are always going to be one step ahead of the game.

  5. downsouth49er says: Jul 22, 2011 1:25 PM

    I don’t know what to think of this situation anymore. On one hand the players are saying they didn’t have the proposal to vote on, and on the other hand they are saying the owners tried to slip in new items. Everybody’s fighting over the fans money, yet the fans have no say so and isn’t even being considered.

  6. alphaq2 says: Jul 22, 2011 1:26 PM

    (Of course, the players also said that they didn’t get the final deal in their hands before they were expected to vote on it.)…

    This sounds highly unlikely. How do you vote on something if you don’t know what you’re voting on. I seriously doubt this is true.

  7. jcustunner says: Jul 22, 2011 1:28 PM

    Mike, your headline doesn’t work. “Presidents says” doesn’t work.

  8. twitter:Chapman_Jamie says: Jul 22, 2011 1:29 PM

    I am surprised more owners are speaking out. It shows you how professional they are keeping things in house.

  9. berniemadoffsides says: Jul 22, 2011 1:30 PM

    “We pick things up, we put them down”

  10. eaglebobby says: Jul 22, 2011 1:30 PM

    I’d still like to know from the players what the owners tried to slip into the agreement at the last minute. No player has come forward with that info–possibly because they’ve been made to look like idiots?? And of course, you being pro-player during this whole mess hasn’t provided any info.

  11. hansenbrothers says: Jul 22, 2011 1:31 PM

    I think De is spinning this to get more publicity, and to try to stick it to the owners and cost them some preseason game money. This is the best deal that the players are going to get. If the seven year opt out and how to vote to recertify are their only complaints, then they need to get over it and take the deal. I will be disgusted with the NFLPA* if they don’t ratify this.

  12. readimgram1 says: Jul 22, 2011 1:32 PM

    “and they’re voting to ratify the same thing”

    No they are not…

  13. zaggs says: Jul 22, 2011 1:33 PM

    Yet, we still have no clue what exactly the players are accusing the owners of “slipping in”.

  14. riverhorsey says: Jul 22, 2011 1:34 PM

    “Yes, but the players contend that the league slipped some stuff in the deal that the players didn’t know about.”

    Well boys your lead attorney didn’t say a word about it.

    This sounds more like a bunch of players all wanting to be the head chef.

  15. ju302225 says: Jul 22, 2011 1:34 PM

    With all that money Murphy has, you would think he could fix that gap…..

  16. bucngator says: Jul 22, 2011 1:34 PM

    But the league must tread carefully from this point forward with the tough talk. Of all people, Murphy (a former player) should understand how players will react if they believe they’re being forced to do something.

    __________________________________

    The players are pointing a gun at their own head, and trying their best to convince us, if noone will pander to their absurd reasoning…… they’re gonna shoot!!

    Actually, it’s just the opposite Mike…… It’s time for the owners to take the kid gloves off that they’ve been using to address the players and let them know that if the deadline passes…….. they won’t be available for further negotiation till next March… a bruised ego is much better than a busted up checking account!!

    ….I’ll bet 95% of the owners can devote more time and attention to other business intrests until then……. how many players could say the same??…. 5% or less, would be my guess!!

  17. beckzhere says: Jul 22, 2011 1:35 PM

    Just how much longer can we possibly drag this out. Seriously.

  18. steelernfl says: Jul 22, 2011 1:35 PM

    This crap with Murphy is irrelavent. Its fact that Kevin Mawae has an axe to grind with the NFL and would like to imprint his mug on everything NFL at the expense of the players. Football fans know this. Its also fact Kessler would love to make a name for himself also at the expense of the players. These two people are hiding behind the cba to get the help of others to do their dirty work. Who out there believes that the majority of players know or even care to know or even comprehend the magnitude of the cba ? The Players are being spoon fed a little info and a lot of bullcrap to prolong these two stooges agenda.

  19. m2karateman says: Jul 22, 2011 1:38 PM

    alphaq2 says:
    Jul 22, 2011 1:26 PM
    (Of course, the players also said that they didn’t get the final deal in their hands before they were expected to vote on it.)…

    This sounds highly unlikely. How do you vote on something if you don’t know what you’re voting on. I seriously doubt this is true.
    ———————————————————-
    Need I remind you of the clusterphuck that was the Obama Healthcare Bill, and how most of the politicians were told that to find out what’s in it, they had to approve it first.

    So much for your highly unlikely.

    The issue is that the players representatives did a POOR job of communicating things, and have basically stalled this thing. It is the representatives telling the players that the owners pulled a fast one….and most of them were NOT part of the negotiations. DeMaurice Smith is the one that should be doing the talking on this.

  20. c09f says: Jul 22, 2011 1:39 PM

    The players need to be very careful here. Right or wrong, shady or not, the owners have voted to start football as soon as tomorrow, while the players are fighting for what seems to be petty junk.

    If we get to Monday with no vote by the players, the public will turn on them so fast.

  21. actiondanwi says: Jul 22, 2011 1:40 PM

    We have crossed the Rubicon!

  22. marader78 says: Jul 22, 2011 1:41 PM

    Im so done with the players at this point…bring in replacement players and lets play football.The spoiled brats can watch from home with the rest of us.

  23. johnnyjagfan says: Jul 22, 2011 1:43 PM

    I miss the days of Mike Kenn representing the players.

  24. waitingguilty says: Jul 22, 2011 1:44 PM

    I finally see what this has come down to…

    A group of 32 owners who understand how business works and who know how to get things done in a unified and coherent manner under 1 voice and direction.

    And…

    A mostly clueless group of 2,000 players, all with a different agenda, a twitter account, way too much free time and not enough business savvy to run a lemonade stand..

    Now tell me, who should take the lead in getting things done? The players are being ridiculous here and I guarantee you there is a big group of fat veterans who are simply dragging this out to avoid going to camp on time.

    NFLPA leadership needs to step up to the plate, get the players to quit making public comments and finish this up.

    As is, it reminds me of a group of kids (players) who want chocolate ice cream…so the parents (owners) get them chocolate ice cream…BUT NO…the kids whine and cry because they did not get to order the chocolate ice cream THEMSELVES. So the parents have to step aside and let the babies up to the counter to order the SAME chocolate ice cream they had in the first place.

    Enough with the macho act…trust your leaders and vote on the package they negotiated…..

    Remember the immortal words of Tommy Boy…There are 2 ways to get a look at a T-Bone…

  25. thephantomstranger says: Jul 22, 2011 1:47 PM

    If the owners snuck some extra stuff in there that hasn’t been negotiated, they’re geniuses because they figured every fan would blame the players if they didn’t ratify it immediately. The comments on PFT confirm that the strategy worked.

  26. gregjennings85 says: Jul 22, 2011 1:48 PM

    Big fan of the players in this, but I have to say, at this point, unless they slipped in something toxic, it’s high-time to make a deal.

  27. psychoraider904 says: Jul 22, 2011 1:48 PM

    I wish they’d lock these guys out for the year. Let them take their college educations and get a real 9 to 5 like the rest of us. Then we’ll see how much they complain about compenstaion. If I went in to my bosses office and started making demands I’d be fired. I’m sick of hearing these guys complain. Owners, please lock these punks out for the year.

  28. heyguru1969 says: Jul 22, 2011 1:52 PM

    My boss slips new procedures and work in all the time without explaining it to me. He’s the boss and I work here. Typically, I don’t go to the press with it. I do it because that’s who signs my paycheck, and I’m happy to be gainfully employed. Those that play a game for a living and become millinaires doing so should take the same approach. Not that I’m on the owners’ side because they’ve been putzes through this too, but c’mon NFLPA:

    Step 1) Remove head from ass

    Repeat as necessary

  29. skimbell says: Jul 22, 2011 1:52 PM

    “alphaq2 says:
    Jul 22, 2011 1:26 PM
    …How do you vote on something if you don’t know what you’re voting on…”

    Gee, I don’t know. Maybe we could ask our elected fools in D.C. how we got obamacare!

  30. xinellum says: Jul 22, 2011 1:52 PM

    As reported earlier, veteran players, afraid of losing their jobs to rookies, are trying to knock two weeks off of training camp so they won’t lose their jobs and have no income at all. The battle is player against player now and has nothing to do with the owners. It is now veteran players fighting younger and rookie players to see which ones will get what and how they can trash the process to keep rookies and younger players on the bench for as long as possible so they don’t lose their income completely. It was bad enough that the union, player reps and De Smith negotiated away the rookies income by limiting the rookie wage scale but now they are trying to make it so the younger players have no chance to make it this year at all. Seems to me if I was a younger player, I would be hammering the Executive Committee for a vote and not let the veterans ruin my chance to become a professional football player. De Smith had better get control of this situation before he no longer has the votes to reconstitute the union because if I was a younger player, these veteran union leaders wouldn’t get the chance to F me again.

  31. steelcity09 says: Jul 22, 2011 1:53 PM

    I have a good idea of the collective bargaining process so let me explain and offer my opinion of what happened:

    (The media speculation on this has been horrible and sad at the same time.)

    1. Almost all of the 1800 players really DON’T have any idea what is going on. They werent part of any negotiations. (So Stallworth and Evans giving phone interviews talking about this is absurd. Those two were not involved in anything and they are not even player representatives. They have no idea what they are talking about and should be muzzled by D. Smith.)

    The only players who really know what is going on and know the inter workings of the CBA proposed are the ones on the negotiating team (Jeff Saturday, Dominique Foxworth, Charlie Batch, and the few others.) Thats it!

    It appeared that D Smith and this negotiating team got what they thought was a fair deal this week and called the 32 player reps in to look at it and vote on it on Wednesday. (If D Smith and the negotiating team thought they had a good deal then this shouldve been a no brainer to pass. These guys wouldnt have been called in to vote otherwise IMO.) For whatever reason the 32 reps did not vote “yes” on it despite it being presented to them as a “good deal.”

    I am sure this stunned the owners because they were under the assumption from the NFLPA negotiating team that both parties thought they had a fair deal. It obviously ticked the owners off too as they carried forward with their plans to ratify the agreement Thursday. It appeared that the phone conversation between D Smith and the Commish yesterday D Smith trying to get more things changed in the CBA. Obviously the owners and the commish refused being they thought both parties had agreed to a fair deal, so they ratified it.

    That is essentially what happened. That is why you have player reps saying they were hoodwinked or didnt get what they wanted,etc……because the owners passed the deal that D Smith and the negotiating team thought was fair, not the ones the player reps wanted to be passed (It is really shocking the player reps did not listen to D Smith on this. It clearly indicates there is in house fighting going on now. It seems these reps have a problem with league discipline issues, which to have this brought up at this point is unbelievable). Nevertheless, this debacle ultimately falls on D Smith and the negotiating team because they failed to convince the player reps to accept this deal.

    So like I said, the negotiating team knows everything , but that is only a handful of guys. The 32 reps know the main parts of the new CBA proposed by the owners. The rest of the players really do not know anything other than what their buddies may have told them……that is why Heath Evans really needs to be quite!

  32. nineroutsider says: Jul 22, 2011 1:53 PM

    For a bunch of billionaires, the NFL ownership is not very savvy. They are going to get slow played on this one and its their own fault. This isn’t a pro-player rant, I am just disappointed in how the NFL has let events unfold. They could have done much better than they have.

  33. bunjy96 says: Jul 22, 2011 1:58 PM

    Haven’t heard DeSmith nor Kessler say anything was “slipped in” or they would all over it a shouting to the roof tops.

    Its just a couple of player reps who have an axe to grind and the President who has a chain saw, who are whining.

    The deal is done.

    Just sign the damn thing instead of posturing. The longer this goes on, the players support, what little there was, will dwindle to nothing.

    The ball is clearly in the players court and the media and the fans will be unmerciful
    the longer it goes on. Rightfully so.

    What union do you know of that doesn’t blindly follow their chosen leaders. Hoffa will turn over in his grave at Giants Stadium if he saw this. Guess DeSmith just doesn’t have the clout.

  34. berniemadoffsides says: Jul 22, 2011 1:59 PM

    If you let all 1,800 or so players vote right now, I’m willing to bet 70%+ approve the deal that’s on the table.

    Then there will be about 20% who won’t approve it, and they’re the Breeses, Mannings, and Jacksons of the league.

    The other 4.99% won’t vote because they’ll be in prison because of a DUI.

    And Kenny Britt will in hiding from the FBI after he robs a bank for the grand finale of his lockout crime spree… so I guess he won’t vote, either.

  35. Packernet says: Jul 22, 2011 1:59 PM

    Sometimes you have to use force. Especially when dealing with the less intelligent.

  36. bunjy96 says: Jul 22, 2011 2:00 PM

    P.S.

    What union member reads all the finite details of a 200 page contract?

    Be realistic.

  37. bray72 says: Jul 22, 2011 2:02 PM

    Pretty disgusting reporting. The owners are 32 in total, and each has been intimately involved with the negotiations all along. Players number almost 1700 and most have not been close to the negotiations.
    It’s impossible that Goodell took a deal to the owners without the union’s approval at the leadership level. Getting 1700 players to understand and accept is a tougher prospect. That takes some time and each player wants to “renegotiate” his own hotbutton.
    Give the thing a little time and patience without all this devisive rhetoric.

  38. johnnyg938 says: Jul 22, 2011 2:02 PM

    Looks like Fantasy Football will end up with the Replacement Players… I’m sooo over the Players in this instance.. I love the game of Football and if it has to be without the Players… “It is what it is”… Bring on them Replacements…

  39. drstrangelust says: Jul 22, 2011 2:14 PM

    Packers still suck!

  40. src3346 says: Jul 22, 2011 2:15 PM

    Maybe I missed something, but I thought this negotiation was held under the guidance of the court.(See Judge Boylan)If that was the case he should be stepping in tomake sure that these issues remain directed toward this coming to an end. The players had representation in all of these meetings. Now they are claiming that they have no knowledge as to what is in the agreement. Someone should have taken notes, that is, if they can write.

  41. jerruhjones says: Jul 22, 2011 2:24 PM

    Just do away with the NFL and let all these guys (owners too) get real jobs and have to make a living like the rest of us!

  42. gregjennings85 says: Jul 22, 2011 2:31 PM

    drstrangelust:

    “Packers still suck!”

    _______________________________

    If by, “still suck”, you mean, “are reigning World Champions!”, then yes, I agree wholeheartedly.

  43. nflfan101 says: Jul 22, 2011 2:32 PM

    Does PFT ever get tired of carrying the players’ water?

    Just what changes did the owners slip into the agreement that the players did not know about?

    The answer is none. At least no one has pointed to single change. This is all BS.

    If the player reps did not know what was in the agreement or did not have a copy of the agreement, it is D. Smith’s fault.

  44. powderedme says: Jul 22, 2011 2:32 PM

    “Packers presidents says the NFL has “put our pens down”

    The players are definitely being the chumps at this point, but this is the wrong attitude for the owners to have if they’re looking to get a deal done.

  45. mvp43 says: Jul 22, 2011 2:36 PM

    Isn’t that the dude from the MAD Magazine cover?

  46. klunge says: Jul 22, 2011 2:41 PM

    bray72 says:
    Getting 1700 players to understand and accept is a tougher prospect. That takes some time and each player wants to “renegotiate” his own hotbutton.
    —————————————–
    Each player does not 7 should not have that option. That’s the whole point of collective bargaining, some give and take on many issues until you meet in the middle. Always someone will get bent that their personal agenda wasn’t top on everyone else’s list, but tough luck for them.
    As to taking time for all of them to understand, well…most couldn’t get a grasp of the finite details no matter how much time you gave them. That’s what the elected leaders are for, to tell rank and file it’s good or not good.
    All that aside, it’s preposterous these highly compensated crybabies are still posturing that they suffer “unfair” labor conditions. What’s unfair is that we can’t all line up and take turns kicking these guys in the nuts.

  47. melikefootball says: Jul 22, 2011 2:57 PM

    Oh how I hope the owners stick to their guns and throw the pens away. Listening to all the sports shows today—totally unbelievable, the players are now in the dark and want more changes. You could just screeeeeeeem!!!!!

  48. xxbomberxx says: Jul 22, 2011 3:05 PM

    I dont understand how any fan can be pro-owners…. If you like the owners so much how about you just watch Jerry Jones try to cover Arthur Blank while Al Davis is trying to throw a 50 yard bomb, the players make the NFL what it is…. and the next time your favorite player goes to a different team for the $$$$ dont cry about it, just root for your owner…

  49. silverhornet says: Jul 22, 2011 3:18 PM

    side note, that’s a real bad hair peace this guy has. I’m fairly certain when he gets onto an airplane, the flight attendant says “sir, no pets are allowed on this flight.”

  50. thephantomstranger says: Jul 22, 2011 3:28 PM

    alphaq2 says:
    Jul 22, 2011 1:26 PM
    This sounds highly unlikely. How do you vote on something if you don’t know what you’re voting on. I seriously doubt this is true.
    _____________

    Apparently you’re not familiar with the U.S. Congress. On the 2,000-page Obamacare bill, Nancy Pelosi said, “We have to pass this bill so we can find out what’s in it.”

  51. carlgerbschmidt says: Jul 22, 2011 3:41 PM

    Just be patient, give it a little more time, Mark Murphy and the boys will be sure to let this through eventually. This is just all part of the plan. The longer this takes (without impacting the start of the regular season of course), the less time the other teams have to prepare for the season, the greater the Advantage for the Pack in repeating.

    It’s pure genius.

  52. whitetail28 says: Jul 22, 2011 3:42 PM

    Really?? The players are backed in a corner??? I don t think so. Quite the opposite. Their whole plan is to drag it as long as possible as the owners are way worse off then the players if they start missing games. They are trying to use that as leverage and the owners sooner or later have to say enough is enough and put their pens down. Great play by the owners.
    Players…You are wrtong in trying to force the owners into giving you more by dragging this on into the season.

  53. granadafan says: Jul 22, 2011 3:42 PM

    “Packers presidents says the NFL has “put our PENS down”

    ————————————————————————————————

    Brett Favre completely misread that quote and is now preparing to send a text message.

  54. pakrbakr76 says: Jul 22, 2011 3:45 PM

    Just be patient, give it a little more time, Mark Murphy and the boys will be sure to let this through eventually. This is just all part of the plan. The longer this takes (without impacting the start of the regular season of course), the less time the other teams have to prepare for the season, the greater the Advantage for the Pack in repeating.

    It’s pure genius.

    ++++++

    You must have read that article on NFL.com earlier :)

    GO PACK!

  55. seabike1234 says: Jul 22, 2011 3:46 PM

    Mark Murphy wouldn’t know the truth if it hit him is the face! Owner have not come close to bargaining in good faith!

  56. tommyf15 says: Jul 22, 2011 3:54 PM

    bucngator says:
    It’s time for the owners to take the kid gloves off that they’ve been using to address the players and let them know that if the deadline passes…….. they won’t be available for further negotiation till next March… a bruised ego is much better than a busted up checking account!!

    You’d think someone that follows the labor strife would actually KNOW something about it.

    The owners have been ordered in court to negotiate in good faith with the players and a federal mediator is present in negotiations to make sure of that.

    So if the owners take your advice they’d all be hit with contempt of court charges, and would likely get pummeled in the anti-trust suit. Oh, and another league would start up, cutting into the revenues, and thus the values of the current NFL teams.

    I read some of these comments and honestly, I wonder what it would be like observing how some posters deal with problems in real life.

  57. gregjennings85 says: Jul 22, 2011 5:16 PM

    “Murphy was the Redskins representative to the NFL Players Association. He played a visible role in the players’ strike that caused the cancellation of seven games during the 1982 season. He suspected that the Redskins’ decision to release him after the 1983 season and the reluctance of any other team to sign him was retribution for his union activity.”

    -From his wikipedia page

  58. paulharghis says: Jul 22, 2011 6:13 PM

    carlgerbschmidt says:
    Jul 22, 2011 3:41 PM
    Just be patient, give it a little more time, Mark Murphy and the boys will be sure to let this through eventually. This is just all part of the plan. The longer this takes (without impacting the start of the regular season of course), the less time the other teams have to prepare for the season, the greater the Advantage for the Pack in repeating.

    It’s pure genius.

    ==============================
    Yet another in the long line of nonsensical ramblings of Carl the gerbil.

    Because the Packers last played a game 6 months ago, when others played their last games 4-5 months ago……wait for it…………
    That means the Packers are going to repeat!

    Ugh!!!!!! What kind of convoluted logic is that?
    Are you 12?!
    I thought Jimmy Smith and Bob Nelson were dumb.
    You my window licking freind, take the cake.

    The sad thing about this is that you are serious.

  59. carlgerbschmidt says: Jul 22, 2011 8:57 PM

    It must be nice to always believe you know better, to always think you’re the smartest person in the room.

  60. thephantomstranger says: Jul 23, 2011 9:33 AM

    paulharghis says:
    Jul 22, 2011 6:13 PM
    carlgerbschmidt says:
    Jul 22, 2011 3:41 PM
    Just be patient, give it a little more time, Mark Murphy and the boys will be sure to let this through eventually. This is just all part of the plan. The longer this takes (without impacting the start of the regular season of course), the less time the other teams have to prepare for the season, the greater the Advantage for the Pack in repeating.

    It’s pure genius.

    ==============================
    Yet another in the long line of nonsensical ramblings of Carl the gerbil.

    Because the Packers last played a game 6 months ago, when others played their last games 4-5 months ago……wait for it…………
    That means the Packers are going to repeat!

    Ugh!!!!!! What kind of convoluted logic is that?
    Are you 12?!
    I thought Jimmy Smith and Bob Nelson were dumb.
    You my window licking freind, take the cake.

    The sad thing about this is that you are serious.
    ______________

    I was cheering along at the attack on Carl, but dude, you’ve gotta do better than that. The Packers played their last game more recently than other teams. Others stopped playing 7-8 months ago, not 4-5 months ago.

    And don’t call people dumb while you’re misspelling “friend.” This is the second time so it’s becoming a trend. Are you just trying to prove you’re not me?

  61. paulharghis says: Jul 23, 2011 2:26 PM

    Phantom:

    Thanks teach.

    Though I thought you said you weren’t part of the grammar police. Hmm weird.

    All that was lost on Carl though.

  62. carlieatschmidt says: Jul 24, 2011 12:33 AM

    Visanthe completes me.

  63. carlgerbschmidt says: Jul 25, 2011 9:49 AM

    @paulharghis – you’re like my little puppet. I know what you’re going to say before you do.
    @carlie – you’re twisted, man. Some of your stuff is actually funny, but most of it is just a little too perverse and close to the surface to be healthy. I hope you’re okay.

  64. thephantomstranger says: Jul 25, 2011 11:08 AM

    Spelling isn’t grammar.

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