Takeo Spikes says there will be a vote “when a fair deal is reached”

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Appearing this morning on ESPN’s SportsCenter, 49ers linebacker and NFLPA* representative Takeo Spikes talked about the timetable for a vote on the proposed CBA, which was approved Thursday by NFL owners.

“I expect a vote to happen when a fair deal is reached,” Spikes told Hannah Storm.

And that makes us even more confused about the somewhat bizarre gatekeeping function being performed by the Executive Committee and board of player representatives of a supposedly toothless trade association.  Why should a small subset of all players have the ability to block a vote that hinges only on a simple majority of all players?

Moreover, how will the Executive Committee and board of player representatives decide what is and isn’t “fair,” and thus what should be passed along to the rank-and-file for a vote?  Will it ride on a simple majority vote of the leadership?  Or must they agree unanimously, like a jury at a criminal trial?

We’re fully prepared to respect the process, but it’s possible that these guys have too much power.  And some of it may be going to their heads.  If NFLPA* executive director DeMaurice Smith recommends the deal, then all players should have the right to vote on the deal.  If 50 percent plus one agree, it doesn’t matter if 50 percent minus one disagree.

That’s the point we’ve been making for the past two days.  The players hired De Smith to negotiate the labor deal.  Once he recommends the deal, the players need to act on that recommendation.  Or they need to get a new executive director.

Meanwhile, it’s hard not to wonder whether some of the aging veterans who are in this position of power over the rest of the players are hoping to tap the brakes for a couple of weeks to reduce the opportunities of young players to bump them from the starting lineup — and/or from the roster.  Why should a guy care about the players losing 48 percent of the $200 million per week that will be forfeited when preseason games are canceled if the guy is more concerned about losing 100 percent of his NFL salary for 2011, and possibly beyond, if that fourth-round draft pick has enough time to show that he can do the job better, and cheaper, than the veteran?

UPDATE:  One of the concerns Spikes raised about the proposed deal is the impact down the road of inflation.  On a deal that pays the players 48 percent.  Of the gross.

109 responses to “Takeo Spikes says there will be a vote “when a fair deal is reached”

  1. Why do the Players keep trying to piss into the wind? And why so many defensive players complaining about an audible getting called on them?

  2. I thought all of this was agreed upon. I’m having a hard time figuring out what’s so unfair about the deal. But i’m no expert, so…whatever.

  3. Btwn ESPN, Twitter, NFL Network, blogs, etc. I’ve heard too many players saying very different things.. These guys need to fall in line with what De Smith has put together for them

  4. The point is the deal is more than fair. The players made out in just about every single facet of the deal. It’s ridiculous! The players are the greedy ones. Yes I agree the owners show their share of greediness. But truth of the matter here is the players are wanting to take a country after being given a state. They are all about taking and no give.

  5. We should have seen this coming guys. Convincing 32 savvy, and very successful businesspeople is one thing. These guys have worked with contracts all their lives. Convincing 1900 players from all walks of life with little business experience is one thing. De Smith or someone just needs to make them feel comfortable, and hopefully this will get done this weekend. The palyers have until tuesday to vote – and then 3 days after to keep negotiating. PLEASE FINISH THIS!

  6. These fools better pipe down because they’re pissing on the hopes of a lot of fans that expected FA signings and news coming this weekend.

    I am definitely one of those fans, and I’ll tell you that comments like this are ensuring that if I do buy another NFL jersey down the road, it won’t have the name of any of these deal blocking clowns on it.

  7. To many chiefs, not enough indians in the NFLPA. Unfortunately, each chief wants their own pound of flesh from the owners and could care less about the other chiefs.

  8. Players are getting 48% of revenue. That’s a huge win for them. They want sympathy from us when their negotiations points were less practice and it appears they’d be willing to give up millions just to not play PS games? They have a fair deal now. They need to stop whining and play.

  9. This is why owners own and players play.

    The next time players in any league threaten to form their own league remember this moment and have a good laugh.

  10. UPDATE: One of the concerns Spikes raised about the proposed deal is the impact down the road of inflation. On a deal that pays the players 48 percent. Of the gross.

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    I hardly think inflation is something that people making a few hundred grand a year should be worried about. Sign or GTFO!

  11. Listening to Mike and Mike and Takeo Spikes(a NFLPA rep) sounds like a damn baby. I’ve been for the players thru this lockout but they need to stop crying about the owners hurting their feelings and get the deal done.

  12. What does he mean .. Fair deal reached..
    De Smith and the player reps already did the deal.
    The players chose them and they delivered.
    NOW VOTE AND GET THIS THING DONE.

  13. If you would ask Spikes what isn’t “fair” about the deal proposed by the owners, he would no doubt not have an answer, other than “We haven’t had a chance to look at it yet”. So look at it already!

  14. That’s an excellent point there at the end regarding the veteran players and what their possible motives may be in delaying the vote. The players have a lot of kinks to work out with themselves and it’s De Smith’s job to help the process along. Today is a HUGE day for the future of the NFLPA*.

  15. Left hand has no idea what the right hand is doing.
    Piss poor union leadership by d. Smith and the nflpa.

  16. Why are most of the people on this site “anti-players” side—is it that big of a surprise that both sides in a dispute are going to do what’s best for them?

    And would you be any different?

    The players are out there getting concussions and entertaining us, and the owners are sitting in luxury boxes and charging us $9 for a beer. I kind sympathize with the players.

  17. plus, players cant settle this early, lets hold out so we can cut down on training camp???
    I would love to see the owners pull their offer from the table and close the season!! i can survive without these money grabbing idiots.
    bring on college football!!!

  18. It is so strange to me that fans seem to be playing right into the hands of the owners.

    It is clear what has happenes. In Wednesday and Thursday meetings the players were given one version of the cba that they approved of. Yesterday, owners voted on a different version that players have grievances with.

    Now, just because it was the first sign of daylight in four months, fans are angry that the players don’t want to fet screwed.

    Open your f****** eyes people, the players are just trying to do right by themselves.

    Now here comes a flood of morons commenting on why the players should sign the deal regardless of the fact that we still don’t know what was changed or how it affects the players or the game that we love.

  19. You can’t make this stuff up.

    Under such awful working conditions, it’s too bad the overwhelming majority of these guys didn’t take advantage of the free college education they were given so they could go out in the real world and get a job where we all know that “a fair deal is reached” all the time.

    Enough is enough and I for one no longer care if there’s football this year or not. Somehow, we as a nation will survive such a brutal national nightmare. I think we all have better things to worry about…….

  20. It’s clear to me that they are trying to drag it out in order to get an additional settlement for Mr Brees, Mankins, etc…

    This is a last final squeeze to get the named plantiffs and their agents/lawyers some $$$.

  21. Too many players offering up opinions on stuff they are not even informed of – this is a very disorganized situation.
    Why doe they just shut the f up and demand D Smith make some sort of statement to clear this crapola up???

  22. Inflation? Prices will go up with inflation – price increases ARE inflation. You’re going to get 48% of revenue that increases with inflation (or, contributes to inflation, if you like).

    Shouldn’t the players have learned this during their 4 years of free college?

  23. What inflation!?!?! I guess he should have taken Economics! Ugh, it will be absorbed by the consumer of the product. This is scary. This World should be run by MBA’s and in LL.M’s.

  24. “I hardly think inflation is something that people making a few hundred grand a year should be worried about. Sign or GTFO!”

    Or something that people who are paid by % of gross revenue, as opposed to a set yearly rate, should be worried about.

  25. tbabyy25 says:
    Jul 22, 2011 10:22 AM
    It is clear what has happenes. In Wednesday and Thursday meetings the players were given one version of the cba that they approved of. Yesterday, owners voted on a different version that players have grievances with.

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    Let’s see if you can explain what the arrogant twitter-happy players and their reps couldn’t explain last night:
    What was different with Thursday’s version vs. Wednesday’s, with specifics please?

  26. vote on what is there. If it passes okay if it doesn’t then you have to hire a new leader, exeutive committee and lawyers. Pretty soon, Kessler, will have to be doing double duty shafting both the NFL and NBA, so he may need to clear some space on his calendar. After all, so many owners to f over, so many fans to stick it to, so much money to be fleeced and so little time to do it.

  27. Players are splitting hairs on legal language. I understand the need to make sure you’re getting every last penny you can, but honestly the players make it seem like they’re still pretty far apart when they’ve been given nearly everything they asked for as it is… This is just infuriating. You’re complaining about a timeline to recertify? WHY? Because you’re too lazy to actually DO something on time for everyone to still make money? I could care less if you feel “pressured”. Get it done.

  28. I think that does need to be said…

    If you need football SO badly that you expect people to sign a 10 year deal without reading it, you have a problem.

  29. Just do the vote, I am pretty sure there will be a majority. However we will then have to listen to players who voted against it cry and complain for the next month.

  30. tbabyy25 says:
    Jul 22, 2011 10:22 AM

    It is clear what has happenes. In Wednesday and Thursday meetings the players were given one version of the cba that they approved of. Yesterday, owners voted on a different version that players have grievances with.

    One quick question. If the NFLPA had a version of the CBA proposal (whichever version you think they had), why had none of the players nor many of the player reps seen it before the conference call Thursday night?

    None of the players seem to know what was changed. None of the players appear to have seen any version of the CBA proposal before the conference call. Yet this is the owners fault, got it.

  31. I’m not buying the NFLPA* version. They’ve been negotiating on the same points for months, much has been written about what they already agreed to, hell, there have been numerous articles spelling out the damn agreement in excruciating detail on the internet written by every NFL writer known to man. How the hell could they not know what’s in the document? Then they said, well, we got the supplemental docs after we finished the conference call. Perhaps the five or six players in that room that can actually read will figure out that it’s the same deal they’ve been working on for months and ratify it today. But I’m not holding my breath.

  32. I was for the players when this all began. However, it is clearly obvious in the Nflpa that the left hand has no idea what the right hand is doing. Ridiculous nonsensical statements and posturing.
    Piss poor union leadership by d. Smith and the nflpa.

  33. I’ll say Takeo didn’t major in economics or math when he went to college?! Quit crying & whining you bunch of overpaid babies. A few idiots are holding up the process, then push them out of the way!! Let’s go!!

  34. UPDATE: One of the concerns Spikes raised about the proposed deal is the impact down the road of inflation. On a deal that pays the players 48 percent. Of the gross. Does inflation not affect the owners??

  35. Everyone just keeps on saying they got ‘hoodwinked’ ‘not fair deal’ ‘power play’ ‘owners pulled a fast one’; not one person on the players side seem to know what the problem is; its like they have been spoon fed wha to say or just do not know what the hell is going on. Here are the facts;

    They elected a leader to negotiate for them.
    They elected player reps that were present at the meeting.
    These people are suppose to keep all the players informed about what was talked and agreed upon.

    Can one person (D… smith…anyone) stand up and explain to these sh..heads what the CBA actually has so that they can take a vote? or just send it back to the owners for negotiation and call the season off!!!!

    Its like these players do not want to go back to work (happens to best of us…when you get used to spending all the money)!!!

    This goes on for another week, we as the NATION SHOULD CALL A TOTAL BOYCOTT; NOT to watch NFL on TV or go to stadiums. Make it a $9 sport and not $9 Bil….

  36. @imjinbrdgr: “Isn’t 48% still 48% whether there is inflation or not?”

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    That’s at least a sixth grade math concept, you can’t expect them to know that.

  37. Mawae and Spikes. Why do these guys even have a say? Both are done in this league. Please can I hear from some player that matters!!!!!!!!

  38. I thought the playes all were ready to play football and the owners were locking them out?? Didn’t they say they were happy with the previous deal and, since the things like discipline, etc. were all in the previous deal what is the problem? Could it be that the players were lying when they said the previous deal was ok???

    While we are at it, just stop with this “oh, you evil owners, you are putting pressure n the poor itty bitty players” crap. The owners have signed a deal in which they gave up many concessions (18 game season, less practice & hitting, more benefits, etc.). Either the players sign or they should just tell them to suck wind and see them next year (while we will let this alleged trade association explain how an Executive Committee — most of which are not plaintiffs in the lawsuit — gets to determine its settlement if there is no union)!

  39. Exactly Typhilly!! These guys wanted to play BIG BOY and do business with their crooked lawyer. Now you have business, and that has nothing to do with your poor feelings. Gotta a lot to learn about business sonny.
    You got to have thick skin to do the type of real business the owner do daily. Maybe thats why the players fail at all their business attemps they attempt after they retire from football. Its funny, the show ‘Hard Knocks’ is a bunch of kids playing around in the locker room and on the football field, when the real hard knocks are the businessmen running the show. Doing business is a damn tough business folks. Lets hope these kids making millions learn a valuable lesson here. Instead of scouling like they just got spanked which is what many of them really need.
    I feel bad for the owners and coaches dealing with these spoiled brats day after day.

  40. It now is starting to appear how unorganized the NFLPA executive committee really is and how we are getting multiple reports from different members who have issues with the owners proposal.

    Information leaks have shown that the players are uninformed on some issues and have not been updated during the progress of the negotiation.

    Rest assured the owners and it’s legal staff are very aware of the unrest within the players organization and will take full advantage to apply pressure to assure a deal is ratified soom.

  41. It surprises me that so many think the players should sign a deal they think is unfair……I wouldn’t trust the billionaires for one second. I would make sure to read everything in that agreement before signing anything, the fans are going to have to be patient, this is a billion dollar business and it will take time to come together. anytime 31 owners agree on something then your getting screwed somewhere, find out what it is and can you agree with it, if not that back to the table for more talks……

  42. These antics continue to show how stupid and greedy the players are. The rookie minimum salary is targeted to be 340k this year. The average median household income in the US is around $50k. So that means two people working for ~7 years to make the same as the lowest paid rookie football player will make in one season of playing a game. Pass the damn CBA and get back to living your privileged lifestyle you jack wagons.

  43. I watched the interview on ESPN this morning, as well as another one on NFL Network. The players are a bunch of Greedy (you fill in the blank).

    No one can convince me that the players need 1 cent of the profits of the owners, they sign a contract. They are employees, I can’t ask my owner to give me part of his profitsn I wouldn’t even imagine it… He is the owner. He goes through hoops to make his business profitable. I work for him.

    I can’t fathim why they are doing this… They make enough. PERIOD! I don’t know how I will like watching football again… I have lost all respect for the players… They are ruining the game!

    By the way… For all you “pro-players” fans… With all this new money going to the players, the owners will want to re-coop some of the money, higher ticket prices, higher apperal, and you think $8 was high for a beer at the game before???

  44. tbabyy25 says:Jul 22, 2011 10:22 AM

    It is so strange to me that fans seem to be playing right into the hands of the owners.

    It is clear what has happenes. In Wednesday and Thursday meetings the players were given one version of the cba that they approved of. Yesterday, owners voted on a different version that players have grievances with.

    Now, just because it was the first sign of daylight in four months, fans are angry that the players don’t want to fet screwed.

    Open your f****** eyes people, the players are just trying to do right by themselves.

    Now here comes a flood of morons commenting on why the players should sign the deal regardless of the fact that we still don’t know what was changed or how it affects the players or the game that we love.

    ________________________________–_
    I know some of the Players read this Site….
    I’ll just Assume YOU are one of them….
    So how about your real name & the team you play for ?????

  45. Where was this contingent of supposed leaders when the negotiations were ongoing? Why weren’t they staying up on the bargaining process? Unless the owners actually snuck in new items that have an effect on the players, nothing here should be a surprise because Smith and the others were there every step of the way. If they couldn’t be bothered to participate in the ongoing negotiations, these losers shouldn’t be able to say “Hey, slow down, let me read what I’m signing here, I haven’t even seen this yet!”

  46. The main “change” to the CBA that the players are complaining about is the timeline in which the NFLPA* has to recertify as a union. No one is getting tricked or scammed. It’s hardly a huge PR play. The players entire argument is “YOU can’t tell us what to do”. Really guys? The entire business model for the NFL as far as players are concerned is based on the premise that you become a union. And you want to drag your feet just because you don’t like being told what to do. You knew from day 1 that you would have to become a union eventually for everything to work. I hardly have any sympathy for the players here. Most of the people complaining haven’t actually SEEN the document they’re complaining about. You agreed to let 32 men and DeMo represent you. They did that. Now you’re complaining about the product.

  47. Now, you goons who have been dogging De Smith for months are begging for the players to trust him, for gods sake.

    The owners approved their own deal, not the players! The owners were the one’s pimping the lockout, so I say let the owners stew in their own body fluids while the players carefully review all the details of the contract; one and thirty two all.

    The owners say, ‘trust me’. Right……

  48. Um, isn’t 48% of gross still 48% of gross regardless of the rate of inflation down the road?

    WTF?

  49. Like MF said – D Smith is who the players elected to represent them. They should trust his recommendation. Roger said in press conference that he talked to D 20 minutes ago and he is going to handle his business. Supposedly they talked for an hour. I believe it was his understanding that they had a deal that each side was going to present to their contingents. So what happened???? Jeff Kessler emailed reps saying “we are not going by their timeline, we haven’t seen the version the owners voted on, they put new stuff in, they are trying to pull a fast one”. Then players took to twitter proclaiming bad faith.
    Smells like Jeffrey.

  50. These guys are looking for true idiots right now. Who exactly is leading these guys? Is it Smith? Or are the players calling the shots? what the hell are they paying Smith and the lawyers for?

    The players are really screwing this one up. Someone better get a handle on this (and it SHOULD BE Smith).

    This is so ridiculous right now. I has been objective up to this point. I’m with the owners from here on out.

  51. tbabyy25 says:
    It is clear what has happenes. In Wednesday and Thursday meetings the players were given one version of the cba that they approved of. Yesterday, owners voted on a different version that players have grievances with.
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    Is it clear? Do you have an inside scoop to this that the rest of us don’t? Care to share a link that actually proves this?

    You tell everyone else to open their eyes. How about you? Your point is strictly your own theory with absolutely no validity.

  52. Inflation? Really?

    I’ve never heard of a job in which the salary was indexed to inflation in any way.

    Also, it’s a set percentage, not a dollar amount. That automatically adjusts regardless of inflation.

    If the dollar is worth a 10th of what it is now, it means the gross is ~$90billion, and the salary cap is $1.2billion, and you’re essentially making the same amount…

  53. I’m willing to bet a lot of money that Spikes (and the majority of the league if not all) has no idea what the hell inflation means.

  54. I know that the players with inflated egos and inflated images of self-worth love to hear themselves talk, tweet, get interviewed and be coddled, pampered and overpaid, but for the love of g-d … can’t these guys just designate a single spokesman and let that guy speak for where everything is … and isn’t that person De Smith? What they hell are the rest of clowns throwing their two cents worth in everytime a mic is put in front of them. All they’re doing is undermining their own leadership. Too many cooks spoil the broth!!

  55. You would think a group of “team” players would understand what that concept is. Here at crunch time they are thinking of themselves only!

  56. Spikes’ concern about “inflation” just shows that much of the backlash yesterday was due to being uninformed, which led to speaking without thinking. Heath Evans also confirmed this when he was on the NFL Network last night and could not articulate one thing that the owners “slipped” in.

    It seems to me the players made out pretty good with getting 55% of the TV money, which is the pot that stands to grow the most. They also got the cap cash spend floor, a mere 99% for the next two years, 95% thereafter. Lifetime health insurance. Fewer off-season activities. Fewer padded practices.

    This whole thing just seems to be ok, we have agreed to build a house, how big it will be, how many rooms, etc. But then the owners decided they wanted to paint a room blue. The players then were pissed because the owners never said they were going to paint a room blue.

    If all this is because the players are being “forced” to re-certify, that is ridiculous. Recertification had to be a basic assumption of everyone involved in the negotiation, or otherwise, everyone was just wasting their time. They knew they would have to re-certify all along. Why were steps not taken before yesterday to ensure that could be done quickly? I am sorry players, but the owners are not going to end the lockout without some assurance that you will re-certify. Without recertification THERE IS NO CBA! So don’t give me this what the owners are proposing is illegal, there making us look bad to the public, there forcing us into a bad deal.

  57. @moochzilla says: Jul 22, 2011 10:28 AM

    I think that does need to be said…

    If you need football SO badly that you expect people to sign a 10 year deal without reading it, you have a problem.

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    Mooch – it is a “collective” bargaining agreement. They are not individually bargaining with the owners, so really, their individual opinions don’t matter. What matters is the collective opinion of the whole. Truthfully, not all of the players need to read the agreement. Their representatives need to summarize the key points of the document, determine if there is consensus for a vote, and then take the vote. If 50% + 1 player votes in favor of it it is a deal even if the rest of the players feel there are issues.

  58. Can someone explain to me why the players deserve a cut of NFL Revenue? They sign a multi million dollar deal to play football….isn’t that enough? That is what they are paid to do and agreed to do, why should they get a cut? Regardless of what Spikes says, I’m sure if you tested his intelligence he would end up being somewhere around a 6th grade level.

  59. I have lost a lot of respect for the players through this whole process.

    At this point I would not lose any sleep if the owner’s canceled the season; refused to employ any of the existing players and then started over with rookies next year.

    A bit of hyperbole there. The players seem to have gotten a pretty sweet deal. Better than any other job I know of… 48% of the revenue before overhead???

    The problem is not a lot of the players are very smart. It is probably very difficult to try to explain the meat of the agreement to 1500 guys many of whom read at a 4th grade level.

  60. Apparently your negotiating committee and leaders did not keep your 32 reps as clearly up to date with what they were agreeing to as the leagues negotiating team and leaders kept the 32 owners.

    For all the accusations and mud slinging from players who, when asked to give specifics, admit that they personally have not seen the documents I say this:

    I stand 100% behind the owners telling these idiots to pack sand and close shop for the season!

    If you want to make accusations of “hoodwinked, bamboozled, trying to slip things in that weren’t agreed upon”….SHOW THE OWNERS YOUR POINTS OR THE OWNERS SHOULD WITHDRAW THE CONTRACT AND CLOSE THE DOORS FOR THE SEASON.

    By next year you will have had time to have a reading tutor explain to you the complex words of “and, or” that are contained in the document. And just maybe you will have enough knowledge to vote then!

  61. Doesn’t the fact that there is no union effect the communication between player rep and player?

    Answer: Yes

    Solution: STFU and let your ELECTED leader negotiate your deal. The players did the same GD thing in 06 when they ratified and sent the document to the owner with Upshaw saying “Sign it or I’m going to Hawai’i.” The players don’t needto go through this thing with a fine toothed comb, De Smith DID IT ALREADY!

  62. ”Why should a small subset of all players have the ability to block a vote that hinges only on a simple majority of all players?”

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    That is how representative government functions. People elect an individual to represent them and vote on their behalf. When these representatives are satisfied, they will accept a deal.

  63. tbabyy25 says: Jul 22, 2011 10:22 AM

    It is so strange to me that fans seem to be playing right into the hands of the owners.

    It is clear what has happenes. In Wednesday and Thursday meetings the players were given one version of the cba that they approved of. Yesterday, owners voted on a different version that players have grievances with.

    Now, just because it was the first sign of daylight in four months, fans are angry that the players don’t want to fet screwed.

    Open your f****** eyes people, the players are just trying to do right by themselves.

    Now here comes a flood of morons commenting on why the players should sign the deal regardless of the fact that we still don’t know what was changed or how it affects the players or the game that we love.

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    Players and those who sided with the players argument was, “Where’s the proof? Open the books. Prove it.”

    Now were supposed to believe the a small group of a group of people who can’t all get their story straight? Where’s the proof? Players say the owners changed the CBA that was agreed upon. What was changed? Reveal the CBA highlighting the differences. Show us your not stalling.

  64. brownsfn writes:

    “I am really starting to HATE these ignorant a** players…”

    I write:

    Oh really? What about the ignorant a** fans who haven’t seen one single shred of the deal that these guys are trying to understand before they affix their signatures to it and make it binding?

    Put your emotions aside for a second and think about it.

    This is a ten year deal that contained add-ons written in legal-ese that would make anybody’s head spin. Once signed, you can’t turn back.

    Do you really expect these guys to blindly sign it on behalf of themselves and all players who play for the next ten years, and who will have to sit down at the negotiating table at the end of that ten years.

    They can’t just sign because brownsfn wants his football in July.

    My 15 yr. old neices have thicker skin than some of you crybabies.

    It’s embarrassing.

  65. brownsfn writes:

    “I am really starting to HATE these ignorant a** players…”

    I write:

    Oh really? What about the ignorant a** fans who haven’t seen one single shred of the deal that these guys are trying to understand before they affix their signatures to it and make it binding?

    Put your emotions aside for a second and think about it.

    This is a ten year deal that contained add-ons written in legal-ese that would make anybody’s head spin. Once signed, you can’t turn back.

    Do you really expect these guys to blindly sign it on behalf of themselves and all players who play for the next ten years, and who will have to sit down at the negotiating table at the end of that ten years?

    They can’t just sign because brownsfn wants his football in July.

    My 15 yr. old neices have thicker skin than some of you crybabies.

    It’s embarrassing.

  66. Enough of this BS, let’s play some football. For most of us who make less than 6 figures a year there is not alot of sympathy here.

    The fans end up being the loser because somehow these players do not “Play to win the Game” It’s more about “Show me the Money”.

  67. Worried about inflation??? Who isn’t.

    Talk to the knuckleheads in Washington, D.C. who keep printing money. Not to the NFL owners.

    Sign the damn deal!

  68. I don’t have an issue with the NFLPA* being thorough and double checking all of the language before reccomending a vote. That’s just good business. But that isn’t really the issue here. The problem is that players who haven’t looked at the document are making it a PR battle instead of talking to their people to find out what is in the deal. If the majority of 1900 men don’t like the terms in the deal that the people they hired contributed in making then let it show in a vote. Inform the players what the deal entails, and take a vote. It’s that simple.

  69. Nice post Saturn. A lot of the post by people who think the players should just sign whatever is put in front of them are a joke. In a country in the shape it’s in now because of a bunch of people who signed mortgages without understanding the contract, credit card agreements without understanding, supported NAFTA without understanding and lost half of their life savings in the market because they didn’t understand the real game being played. Now they want others to just trust and go along too. Some will never learn.

  70. @saturn

    They elected a man to negotaite their deal. He’s worked out a deal. The lawyers have worked out the language. That’s the story.

    Do you think that all of the owners are privy to every shred the new CBA/settlement? Nope, but they trust their ELECTED leader/lawyers. The players need to do the same freaking thing and you know what, I agree with browns fan, these turd burgers running their mouth through the media seems like a bunch of 15 year old girls who didn’t get their way.

    THAT’S embarassing.

  71. I’m no financial wizard but wouldn’t 48% of net account for inflation. I mean 48% is 48% doesn’t matter if it’s 1$ or 100 billion they still get 48%. Right?

  72. Actually packerfantastic, the laws of agency prohibit ratifiaction without prior agreement. Since the players are no longer a Union the trade association can only make recommendations but full ratification must be made by the player or his legal agent, the Union. That is why they need to have 51% of the 1900 players and not their team representatives that possess no legal authority.

    This has all been overly complicated by the dissolution of the Union, if they had sought from the beginning to bargin collectively in good faith and not seek legal resolution through the courts, this could have been resolved by now.

    You can’t really blame the players, but they do need to accept responsibility for listening to “representatives” they may not have their best interests in mind.

    Lawyers seek litigation. Businessmen seek compromise.

  73. dcbronco says: Jul 22, 2011 11:07 AM

    Nice post Saturn. A lot of the post by people who think the players should just sign whatever is put in front of them are a joke. In a country in the shape it’s in now because of a bunch of people who signed mortgages without understanding the contract, credit card agreements without understanding, supported NAFTA without understanding and lost half of their life savings in the market because they didn’t understand the real game being played. Now they want others to just trust and go along too. Some will never learn.

    _____________________________________

    There’s some truth to this. Too bad the article we are commenting on is with a player stating the delay is “the owners added stuff to the deal” not “we need time to look over the deal before signing” though.

  74. stonedolphin89 says:
    Jul 22, 2011 10:41 AM
    The main “change” to the CBA that the players are complaining about is the timeline in which the NFLPA* has to recertify as a union. No one is getting tricked or scammed. It’s hardly a huge PR play. The players entire argument is “YOU can’t tell us what to do”.
    _______________________________
    That is exactly the impression I got from Spikes and Evans today. They were BOTH asked what ticked them off/what was new and they BOTH said the timeline.
    SERIOUSLY??? This is a just a TESTOSTERONE PROBLEM NOW????
    Come on guys, if that’s your big issue it’s time to sit down, read the thing and stop tweeting/giving interviews until you DO read it.
    So basically I think that De either never discussed a timeline with Roger or De did not convey it properly to the players that there was a timeline discussed.

  75. smarks82 – That is my understanding. Fairly basic concept.

    Spikes must not have spent too much time in the classroom while at Auburn. The opportunity to get a stellar SEC education must have escaped him. And to think the 49ers elected him their player rep. That wisdom may be an indication of why they finish where they do.

  76. davem23 says: Jul 22, 2011 11:08 AM

    Actually packerfantastic, the laws of agency prohibit ratifiaction without prior agreement. Since the players are no longer a Union the trade association can only make recommendations but full ratification must be made by the player or his legal agent, the Union. That is why they need to have 51% of the 1900 players and not their team representatives that possess no legal authority.

    This has all been overly complicated by the dissolution of the Union, if they had sought from the beginning to bargin collectively in good faith and not seek legal resolution through the courts, this could have been resolved by now.

    You can’t really blame the players, but they do need to accept responsibility for listening to “representatives” they may not have their best interests in mind.

    Lawyers seek litigation. Businessmen seek compromise.
    ————————–
    @ Dave – my point is that, whether the union currently exists or not, the players are not bargaining individually with the owners, but collectively. And, they have elected individuals to represent them in that bargaining. I wasn’t implying that those representatives should vote on this for the players. My point was that each player doesn’t need to read the entire agreement themselves. The agreement is a bunch of legal language that the common person isn’t familiar with reading. They need their appointed representatives to provide them the key points so they (all of the players) can make a decision to re-certify and vote on the deal. Some players are being vocal about this being an unfair deal, but if 50% + 1 vote for, then it is THE deal that they will need to work under for the next 10 years, even if there are 50% -1 who think it is garbage.

  77. saturn1111 says:
    Jul 22, 2011 10:59 AM
    Do you really expect these guys to blindly sign it on behalf of themselves and all players who play for the next ten years, and who will have to sit down at the negotiating table at the end of that ten years.

    They can’t just sign because brownsfn wants his football in July.

    My 15 yr. old neices have thicker skin than some of you crybabies.

    It’s embarrassing.
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    What’s embarrassing is you siding with people that have elected others to negotiate for them. The elected people do just that but then they continue to prolong the inevitable just for the sake of pulling a powerplay and trying to make it look like the owners are doing it.

    No one here is being a crybaby at all. We all want the football season to start. However for you to sling insults at people when you seem to be as uninformed as anyone else is ludicrous. Especially when the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of people disagree with you.

  78. Guys like Spikes are too stupid to know they are stupid. Concerned about inflation? You morons get 48% of the gross. Inflation doesn’t change that. Deflation doesn’t change that.

    Trust me, if my bank came to me and said “OK ortonislloydchristmas, here’s the deal. We will give you 48% of the revenue you generate this year. We will take 52%. Our cut will include all of your marketing costs, paying your tellers, keeping the lights on, paying for your insurance, giving you a per diem for food on road trips, covering your airfare and accomodations, providing you with free medical care while a member of the bank and generously funding your retirement as long as you work for us for 4 years. All you have to do is show up 6 months out of the year. Do we have a deal?”

    I’d sign that in a heartbeat and laugh my ass off to all my friends that I work for the greatest company in the world. But that’s just me.

  79. I’m no economics wiz concerning the inflation BS that Spikes appears to be worried about. But, if the cost of inflation goes up, aren’t the owners going to then raise ticket prices, concessions and parking? So no matter what the 48% figure is, the babies get this share? Then again, maybe I’m just as two-worded dumb as they are, and I just don’t get it.

  80. Actually Saturn (as In Way out in Space),
    the Tennents of the NEW CBA have been posted on Several Sites on the internet both Before & during the NFLPA* conference call… I read them round 7:40 pm…. So The Players Certianly had the chance….
    Mabee you should read them Before You speak Next time….
    Just a Thought !!!!

  81. saturn1111 says:Jul 22, 2011 10:59 AM __________________________________
    saturn1111 says:Jul 22, 2011 10:59 AM

    brownsfn writes:

    “I am really starting to HATE these ignorant a** players…”

    I write:

    Oh really? What about the ignorant a** fans who haven’t seen one single shred of the deal that these guys are trying to understand before they affix their signatures to it and make it binding?

    Put your emotions aside for a second and think about it.

    This is a ten year deal that contained add-ons written in legal-ese that would make anybody’s head spin. Once signed, you can’t turn back.

    Do you really expect these guys to blindly sign it on behalf of themselves and all players who play for the next ten years, and who will have to sit down at the negotiating table at the end of that ten years?

    They can’t just sign because brownsfn wants his football in July.

    My 15 yr. old neices have thicker skin than some of you crybabies.

    It’s embarrassing.
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    bufny says:Jul 22, 2011 11:59 AM

    Actually Saturn (as In Way out in Space),
    the Tennents of the NEW CBA have been posted on Several Sites on the internet both Before & during the NFLPA* conference call… I read them round 7:40 pm…. So The Players Certianly had the chance….
    Mabee you should read them Before You speak Next time….
    Just a Thought !!!!

  82. For any legal contract there has to be a valid offer and then an acceptance of the offer. For the owners to vote, there had to be a players offer.

    So if the players don’t know what was offered, that reflects on their communication process.

  83. “Mooch – it is a “collective” bargaining agreement. They are not individually bargaining with the owners, so really, their individual opinions don’t matter.”

    Totally agree. What should have happened is that DS talks to the 32 player reps and provides them with highlights and his endorsement. He answers their questions and addresses their concerns.

    The reps talk to their teammates and tell them why it’s a good deal.

    All parties should be “selling” it down the latter. That’s not what I see happening, and it’s inexcusable.

    My point is that this, even if handled correctly, would have taken a few days. And that’s reasonable. Demanding a press conference 10 minutes after Goodell’s wasn’t realistic, yet many seemed to have expected just that.

  84. If the deal isn’t fair then you obviously need to fire your lawyers since they worked on putting it together for you under the direction of the guy you hired to represent you.

    De Smith needs to put a gag order on his player reps because most of them are dumb and really hurting their cause.

  85. I listened to Spikes’ interview and he still had no idea what was in the agreement. Here is an idea…… read it. Stop talking about it and read the damn document already. I’ve had to read through dozens of agreements, contracts, resolutions and ordinances. It’s not rocket-science. You read it, decipher the legalese, and decide if it is beneficial. There stance on delaying the process because they were told what to do (as is every single employee in the free world) is ridiculous and childish. At the end of the day you have a job to do. Read the contract agree or disagree and move on, leave your feelings and sensitivity at home.

  86. @Panther,

    My comment was more about peoples willingness to sign something before they actually know what it is. Being so desperate to have some things that they will sign anything. Ask many famous musicians about making that mistake. Spikes felt the deal was different from what was negotiated. Many here seem to think he should have just signed it anyway. That is the stupidity I was commenting on.

  87. Moochzilla:

    “I think that does need to be said…

    If you need football SO badly that you expect people to sign a 10 year deal without reading it, you have a problem.”

    ++++++++

    I think THIS needs to be said…

    …these idiots should have been up to snuff on the agreement throughout the entire process so that they were ready to vote when it came time.

  88. There is NO NFLPA at this moment. This is the problem. Decertifying the Union gave the power to a handful of players.

    I doubt that these players are stalling to protect their jobs. I know that TKO isn’t anyway. He’s a Free Agent. The longer this goes on the more it hurts his chances at more money and job security over the rest of his career.

    I’d more likely believe that these guys are stalling so they can get back to the teams they played for last year instead of possibly being up in the air until the season starts. The longer this goes on the more it is important for Teams to re-sign their own Free Agents.

    Look how many Free Agent players the 9ers have waiting for the start of Free Agency. The longer this goes the more likely teams are going to just worry about team losses and undrafted Free Agents for Camp.

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