I doubt that these players are stalling to protect their jobs. I know that TKO isn’t anyway. He’s a Free Agent. The longer this goes on the more it hurts his chances at more money and job security over the rest of his career.

I’d more likely believe that these guys are stalling so they can get back to the teams they played for last year instead of possibly being up in the air until the season starts. The longer this goes on the more it is important for Teams to re-sign their own Free Agents.

Look how many Free Agent players the 9ers have waiting for the start of Free Agency. The longer this goes the more likely teams are going to just worry about team losses and undrafted Free Agents for Camp.

“I think that does need to be said…

If you need football SO badly that you expect people to sign a 10 year deal without reading it, you have a problem.”

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I think THIS needs to be said…

…these idiots should have been up to snuff on the agreement throughout the entire process so that they were ready to vote when it came time.

My comment was more about peoples willingness to sign something before they actually know what it is. Being so desperate to have some things that they will sign anything. Ask many famous musicians about making that mistake. Spikes felt the deal was different from what was negotiated. Many here seem to think he should have just signed it anyway. That is the stupidity I was commenting on.

De Smith needs to put a gag order on his player reps because most of them are dumb and really hurting their cause.

Totally agree. What should have happened is that DS talks to the 32 player reps and provides them with highlights and his endorsement. He answers their questions and addresses their concerns.

The reps talk to their teammates and tell them why it’s a good deal.

All parties should be “selling” it down the latter. That’s not what I see happening, and it’s inexcusable.

My point is that this, even if handled correctly, would have taken a few days. And that’s reasonable. Demanding a press conference 10 minutes after Goodell’s wasn’t realistic, yet many seemed to have expected just that.

So if the players don’t know what was offered, that reflects on their communication process.

brownsfn writes:

“I am really starting to HATE these ignorant a** players…”

I write:

Oh really? What about the ignorant a** fans who haven’t seen one single shred of the deal that these guys are trying to understand before they affix their signatures to it and make it binding?

Put your emotions aside for a second and think about it.

This is a ten year deal that contained add-ons written in legal-ese that would make anybody’s head spin. Once signed, you can’t turn back.

Do you really expect these guys to blindly sign it on behalf of themselves and all players who play for the next ten years, and who will have to sit down at the negotiating table at the end of that ten years?

They can’t just sign because brownsfn wants his football in July.

My 15 yr. old neices have thicker skin than some of you crybabies.

It’s embarrassing.
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bufny says:Jul 22, 2011 11:59 AM

Actually Saturn (as In Way out in Space),
the Tennents of the NEW CBA have been posted on Several Sites on the internet both Before & during the NFLPA* conference call… I read them round 7:40 pm…. So The Players Certianly had the chance….
Mabee you should read them Before You speak Next time….
Just a Thought !!!!

Trust me, if my bank came to me and said “OK ortonislloydchristmas, here’s the deal. We will give you 48% of the revenue you generate this year. We will take 52%. Our cut will include all of your marketing costs, paying your tellers, keeping the lights on, paying for your insurance, giving you a per diem for food on road trips, covering your airfare and accomodations, providing you with free medical care while a member of the bank and generously funding your retirement as long as you work for us for 4 years. All you have to do is show up 6 months out of the year. Do we have a deal?”

I’d sign that in a heartbeat and laugh my ass off to all my friends that I work for the greatest company in the world. But that’s just me.

I’ve got two words for you…..DUMB!

They can’t just sign because brownsfn wants his football in July.

My 15 yr. old neices have thicker skin than some of you crybabies.

It’s embarrassing.
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What’s embarrassing is you siding with people that have elected others to negotiate for them. The elected people do just that but then they continue to prolong the inevitable just for the sake of pulling a powerplay and trying to make it look like the owners are doing it.

No one here is being a crybaby at all. We all want the football season to start. However for you to sling insults at people when you seem to be as uninformed as anyone else is ludicrous. Especially when the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of people disagree with you.

Actually packerfantastic, the laws of agency prohibit ratifiaction without prior agreement. Since the players are no longer a Union the trade association can only make recommendations but full ratification must be made by the player or his legal agent, the Union. That is why they need to have 51% of the 1900 players and not their team representatives that possess no legal authority.

This has all been overly complicated by the dissolution of the Union, if they had sought from the beginning to bargin collectively in good faith and not seek legal resolution through the courts, this could have been resolved by now.

You can’t really blame the players, but they do need to accept responsibility for listening to “representatives” they may not have their best interests in mind.

Lawyers seek litigation. Businessmen seek compromise.
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@ Dave – my point is that, whether the union currently exists or not, the players are not bargaining individually with the owners, but collectively. And, they have elected individuals to represent them in that bargaining. I wasn’t implying that those representatives should vote on this for the players. My point was that each player doesn’t need to read the entire agreement themselves. The agreement is a bunch of legal language that the common person isn’t familiar with reading. They need their appointed representatives to provide them the key points so they (all of the players) can make a decision to re-certify and vote on the deal. Some players are being vocal about this being an unfair deal, but if 50% + 1 vote for, then it is THE deal that they will need to work under for the next 10 years, even if there are 50% -1 who think it is garbage.

Spikes must not have spent too much time in the classroom while at Auburn. The opportunity to get a stellar SEC education must have escaped him. And to think the 49ers elected him their player rep. That wisdom may be an indication of why they finish where they do.

Nice post Saturn. A lot of the post by people who think the players should just sign whatever is put in front of them are a joke. In a country in the shape it’s in now because of a bunch of people who signed mortgages without understanding the contract, credit card agreements without understanding, supported NAFTA without understanding and lost half of their life savings in the market because they didn’t understand the real game being played. Now they want others to just trust and go along too. Some will never learn.

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There’s some truth to this. Too bad the article we are commenting on is with a player stating the delay is “the owners added stuff to the deal” not “we need time to look over the deal before signing” though.

This has all been overly complicated by the dissolution of the Union, if they had sought from the beginning to bargin collectively in good faith and not seek legal resolution through the courts, this could have been resolved by now.

You can’t really blame the players, but they do need to accept responsibility for listening to “representatives” they may not have their best interests in mind.

Lawyers seek litigation. Businessmen seek compromise.

They elected a man to negotaite their deal. He’s worked out a deal. The lawyers have worked out the language. That’s the story.

Do you think that all of the owners are privy to every shred the new CBA/settlement? Nope, but they trust their ELECTED leader/lawyers. The players need to do the same freaking thing and you know what, I agree with browns fan, these turd burgers running their mouth through the media seems like a bunch of 15 year old girls who didn’t get their way.

THAT’S embarassing.

Talk to the knuckleheads in Washington, D.C. who keep printing money. Not to the NFL owners.

Sign the damn deal!

The fans end up being the loser because somehow these players do not “Play to win the Game” It’s more about “Show me the Money”.

“I am really starting to HATE these ignorant a** players…”

I write:

Oh really? What about the ignorant a** fans who haven’t seen one single shred of the deal that these guys are trying to understand before they affix their signatures to it and make it binding?

Put your emotions aside for a second and think about it.

This is a ten year deal that contained add-ons written in legal-ese that would make anybody’s head spin. Once signed, you can’t turn back.

Do you really expect these guys to blindly sign it on behalf of themselves and all players who play for the next ten years, and who will have to sit down at the negotiating table at the end of that ten years?

They can’t just sign because brownsfn wants his football in July.

My 15 yr. old neices have thicker skin than some of you crybabies.

It’s embarrassing.

“I am really starting to HATE these ignorant a** players…”

I write:

Oh really? What about the ignorant a** fans who haven’t seen one single shred of the deal that these guys are trying to understand before they affix their signatures to it and make it binding?

Put your emotions aside for a second and think about it.

This is a ten year deal that contained add-ons written in legal-ese that would make anybody’s head spin. Once signed, you can’t turn back.

Do you really expect these guys to blindly sign it on behalf of themselves and all players who play for the next ten years, and who will have to sit down at the negotiating table at the end of that ten years.

They can’t just sign because brownsfn wants his football in July.

My 15 yr. old neices have thicker skin than some of you crybabies.

It’s embarrassing.

It is so strange to me that fans seem to be playing right into the hands of the owners.

It is clear what has happenes. In Wednesday and Thursday meetings the players were given one version of the cba that they approved of. Yesterday, owners voted on a different version that players have grievances with.

Now, just because it was the first sign of daylight in four months, fans are angry that the players don’t want to fet screwed.

Open your f****** eyes people, the players are just trying to do right by themselves.

Now here comes a flood of morons commenting on why the players should sign the deal regardless of the fact that we still don’t know what was changed or how it affects the players or the game that we love.

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Players and those who sided with the players argument was, “Where’s the proof? Open the books. Prove it.”

Now were supposed to believe the a small group of a group of people who can’t all get their story straight? Where’s the proof? Players say the owners changed the CBA that was agreed upon. What was changed? Reveal the CBA highlighting the differences. Show us your not stalling.