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Vonnie Holliday thinks owners “hoodwinked” players

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Vonnie Holliday, the Redskins’ NFLPA* representative, is not happy with the deal the owners approved on Thursday.

Shortly after NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell addressed the media in Atlanta and said the deal the owners had passed should end the lockout, Holliday took to Twitter and blasted the owners.

“Please don’t get excited about that press conference,” Holliday wrote. “The owners have agreed on a deal we the players have not seen! This is not consistent with where we thought we were yesterday!”

When fans began tweeting to Holliday that the players should accept the owners’ proposal, Holliday said that proposal isn’t a fair deal.

“The truth of the matter is we got tricked, duped, led astray, hoodwinked, bamboozled! & I’m sorry you did too!” Holliday wrote.

The player representatives are expected to vote on the owners’ proposal today. It sure sounds like Holliday’s vote will be no.

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  1. readimgram1 says: Jul 22, 2011 9:39 AM

    If you Care what Vonnie Holliday thinks hit thumbs down…

  2. fcs34 says: Jul 22, 2011 9:41 AM

    Finally Vonnie Holiday breaks his silence ! This changes eveything.

  3. readimgram1 says: Jul 22, 2011 9:41 AM

    THE deal I have not seen yet is not a fair deal!

    Um wait…I mean They hoodwinked us with that deal. When I see it I am pretty sure that will be the case…

    I think….maybe.

    Dope

  4. mhs8031 says: Jul 22, 2011 9:41 AM

    I thought that they have not read the deal yet? Getting sick of players accusing the owners without knowing details. Their lawyers, the ones who stand to benefit from prolonging this, are the ones doing the hoodwinking. They stand to lose NOTHING if this drags out-they will profit. Come on, players. Get some common sense.

  5. coutre says: Jul 22, 2011 9:42 AM

    De Smith has to be the most incompetant union leader ever. The guy is a complete windbag. He should be in politics.

  6. jimphin says: Jul 22, 2011 9:44 AM

    How does he know anything about the deal if he hasn’t even read it? How does he know that the deal is not consistent if he hasn’t seen it? Hmmmm?

  7. zackhjenkins says: Jul 22, 2011 9:44 AM

    So to pass does it need to get majority from the 32 player reps? Or from a majority of the 1900 players? Also – NFL has done a great job of putting this all on the players I certainly will be pissed at them if they screw this one up

  8. horsecore says: Jul 22, 2011 9:45 AM

    Why don’t the players list the reasons the proposed deal isn’t fair? They always cry that it is not fair yet rarely offer anything to back up their whining.

  9. pantherfan89 says: Jul 22, 2011 9:45 AM

    Thank you Redskins. I think Mr Holliday has left the “reservation.”

  10. eagleswin says: Jul 22, 2011 9:46 AM

    Vonnie,
    The only reason the players hadn’t seen the proposal was because your leadership decided you didn’t need to see it. You had a chance to vote on the proposal on Wednesday and yet the players hadn’t seen the proposal by Thursday evening? Please use your head for something other than a mouthpiece for the NFLPA leadership. You have a brain, it may be a little rusty but try using it.

    The players are all style and no substance. They prefer to not know the details as long as they tweet and text that it’s all the owners fault.

  11. moochzilla says: Jul 22, 2011 9:47 AM

    Can anyone tell me what changed that will be screwing the players? Even one specific item?

    Seriously, if I think the NFLPA is in the wrong here, they need to check themselves!

  12. thereisalwaysnextyear says: Jul 22, 2011 9:47 AM

    “It sure sounds like Holliday’s vote will be no.”

    Not really, it sounds like he wants to read it first. And if that’s not what he meant than the skins should get a new rep.

  13. chatham10 says: Jul 22, 2011 9:48 AM

    I love these guys, last night on the NFL Network Rich Eisen was speaking to Heath Evans from the Saints who said ” the owners tried to slip things by us” so Rich asked him to tell him “what the owners tried to slip by”, he said, “I don’t know because I have not seen the document” so Rich asked him if he had spoke to Brees and he said “not for a couple of days”. He sounds like you guys network guys should hire him as an insider as he has no clue and just says whatever he feels like.

  14. sonvar says: Jul 22, 2011 9:48 AM

    Vonnie Holliday needs to just sign it and shut up as he obviously has no idea what he is talking about

  15. twitter:Chapman_Jamie says: Jul 22, 2011 9:49 AM

    Vonnie has been hoodwinking teams for the past 4 years…….

  16. imjinbrdgr says: Jul 22, 2011 9:49 AM

    I guess I can see his point. I mean what actually happened here. The owners got together and agreed on a deal, with themselves. Everyone, including me wants the players to accept so we can get on with football, but if they haven’t even seen the proposal why is everyone so excited that this thing is over? Only because we want it to be .

  17. littlekaps4 says: Jul 22, 2011 9:50 AM

    I feel hoodwinked. I have to read about how BILLION dollar owners and MILLIONAIRE players are SO greedy that they can’t decide how to cut up $9 billion dollars.

    It seems at this point that both sides are trying to win in the court of public opinion. The owners had a huge press conference to show their “willingness” to ratify a deal. The players are saying that they haven’t seen it but say that it is unfair.

    If this does not get resolved in the next 2-3 days and football starts canceling games in the near future, you will see that the 8th Court of Appeals, Judge Nelson or Judge Boylan’s decisions/negotiation will have NO bearing on the Court of Public Opinion.

  18. thedukester2 says: Jul 22, 2011 9:50 AM

    Please tell Vonnie to just shut up. He was never that good as a lineman anyway

  19. theysone says: Jul 22, 2011 9:53 AM

    Guess the change left in the fans’ pockets wasn’t enough…

  20. bangyourhead4 says: Jul 22, 2011 9:54 AM

    The players think us Fans are idiots. That we don’t understand the process. The chance was there for them to vote and they chose not to. In my opinion, the players want to look like the “victims” in this whole thing. Just shut up, take a vote and lets move on!

  21. rpiotr01 says: Jul 22, 2011 9:55 AM

    More and more I get the impression that the players care far less about the substance of the deal and far more about who appears to have the upper hand when the deal is signed.

    Takeo Spikes has been making the rounds on ESPN this morning. All he keeps saying is that they won’t stick to the owners timelines. Never mind that they’ll know everything they need to know by this morning. The owners want an agreement soon so the players are going out of their way to delay. Childish posers. All style, no substance.

  22. evrybdyhas1 says: Jul 22, 2011 9:55 AM

    The players are being played by their own representatives!

  23. bradwins says: Jul 22, 2011 9:55 AM

    If I’m ever driving and I see Vonnie Holliday broke down on the side of the road, I will not only not stop to help him, I will throw a projectile out of my window at him.

    Have I reached the point of being totally irrational? Yes. Of course. But I’m getting sick of reading this stuff. Just approve the CBA so we can all get on with our lives. At this point I really don’t care if the owners hoodwinked the players. Tough stuff. Maybe you’ll have better luck in 10 years. Just approve the deal.

  24. ptritle says: Jul 22, 2011 9:56 AM

    In 24 hours I went from cant wait for football too I hope they lock these ungrateful clowns out for a year.

  25. jerruhjones says: Jul 22, 2011 9:56 AM

    Who?

  26. Patriot42 says: Jul 22, 2011 9:56 AM

    I’m in favor of blowing up the entire NFL and start from scratch.

  27. Tim says: Jul 22, 2011 9:57 AM

    You guys tricked, duped, led astray, hoodwinked, bamboozled, and bungled this deal your damn selves!

  28. dda67 says: Jul 22, 2011 9:57 AM

    Why are the player reps saying the owners are trying to slip things by or they are being hoodwinked. In all fairness dosen’t that fall on there head guy Mr. Smith. for not explaining it all to them and not just by giving them bits and pieces of the deal.

  29. dcviking says: Jul 22, 2011 9:58 AM

    At anytime since it was created, has anything intelligent actually been “tweeted” by anyone?

    How many of the owners are tweeting? Legit question — I don’t know, but I don’t remember seeing any.

    Maybe the players could take some knowledge from the owners in addition to trying to get their cash…

  30. rippedoffhead says: Jul 22, 2011 9:58 AM

    All I am hearing is “Man, I don’t want to go to training camp”

  31. bigbeefyd says: Jul 22, 2011 9:58 AM

    I wonder if they’ll vote via Twitter? #nutjob

  32. mightymightylafootball says: Jul 22, 2011 9:59 AM

    “The truth of the matter is we got tricked, duped, led astray, hoodwinked, bamboozled! & I’m sorry you did too!” Holliday wrote.

    *~*~*~*~*~*

    He’ll have to point to specifics if he wants to be taken seriously.

    Because, you know, facts are nice, rather than simple rhetoric.

    Just sayin’…

  33. corndogluv says: Jul 22, 2011 9:59 AM

    As a player rep i cant believe you didnt know what D smith has been doing all this time. you act like this is all a surprise. I hope there is no season and you have bag groceries are be a pe teacher for a wile so you can feel what its like in the real world quit crying you poor b–terds because nobody feels sorry for any of you.you play a game for a living .lets see 48% of 10 billon. yeah i guess you guys have it pretty rough. PLEASE.

  34. mvp43 says: Jul 22, 2011 9:59 AM

    Vonnie-

    You “Hoodwinked” every team that you ever played for……….

  35. phinfan54 says: Jul 22, 2011 10:00 AM

    There seems to be a real disconnect between the NFLPA leadership and its player reps. Why aren’t the leaders giving information to their representative about these agreements in advance? Why aren’t the leaders giving interviews to clarify information, not only for the players themselves, but also for the fans?

  36. urallidiots says: Jul 22, 2011 10:01 AM

    Hey Vonnie, as Nancy Pelosi infamously said, “you have to pass it to find out what’s in it!”

  37. readimgram1 says: Jul 22, 2011 10:02 AM

    “Vonnie Holliday thinks”

    FALSE REPORTING!

  38. chmba says: Jul 22, 2011 10:04 AM

    Most of these guys, probably including Vonnie, would be lucky to get any job outside of making millions playing football since half of them couldn’t fill out the application! Now they think they can read complex documents and have any idea what is in them!

    Brees and Heath Evans need to get back and practice so they don’t choke against another BAD team like the Mariners!

  39. phillyrick22 says: Jul 22, 2011 10:04 AM

    Once this whole lockout is resolved by tonight, I’m going to go celebrate by paying a visit to the strip joint! Now that’s NFL style son!!

  40. crubenst says: Jul 22, 2011 10:11 AM

    The only people who have a problem with this deal are the arrogant and fake macho player reps who are drunk on their own power and want to “prove” to the league that they will do what they want when they want. I GUARANTEE once its put to a vote a majority of players will approve because most of them won’t get their panties in a bunch because the owners have decided to share some revenue and they have to reform a union. Most are happy with a decently fair deal and a chance to get back to playing football for millions of dollars. The player reps are probably aware of this too and are making one last abusive power play to withhold/delay the vote which they know they’ll lose.

  41. tbabyy25 says: Jul 22, 2011 10:11 AM

    1. The players haven’t revealed their specific grievances with the deal because there is still a gag order on the negotiations.

    2. They have clearly stated that the deal the owners approved is not what they were led to believe it would be. There’s no reason to lie about that. And nothing to be gained by it.

    3. This is exactly what the owners wanted, impatient and idiotic fans to simply back any deal, regardless of how unfair, just because it’s 0 hour and we don’t not care none cuz we wants our football back.

    4. Respect the fact that the players want to get back to football as badly as we do. They wouldnt cry wolf.

  42. jeffperk says: Jul 22, 2011 10:12 AM

    Wow, I bet the scabs wouldn’t whine & cry like these overpaid bunch of babies. The scabs would be grateful to play the game & get a check. I’m to the point where I say bring on the scabs & teach these spoiled brats a lesson!!

  43. firejimcadwell says: Jul 22, 2011 10:14 AM

    Vonnie Holiday hoodwinked the University of North Carolina if he has a degree from there.

    These idiots that need everything read to them fail to understand that the Demaurice agreed to it too.

    The owners aren’t going to go through interviews the way they did if they actually tried to slip something in.

    Get a clue Vonnie, Heath.

  44. xinellum says: Jul 22, 2011 10:15 AM

    I thought that the players wanted the owners to act first but in reality, they don’t. What they want is to not let the government hold out longer on the debt ceiling than the players hold out on the CBA agreement. They believe they are better at destroying a system than the US Government, but they have a lot to learn. Our congressmen have been screwing up things for a lot longer than the players so they might as well give it up and sign because there is no way they can be as idiotic, childish, immature, and as counterproductive as our government, well, I don’t think they can, well, maybe…

  45. notalib says: Jul 22, 2011 10:19 AM

    Are the players really this dumb…….never mind.

  46. dccowboy says: Jul 22, 2011 10:22 AM

    So wait, you haven’t seen the deal, yet you know you were “tricked, duped, led astray, hoodwinked, bamboozled”??

    How exactly is that possible

  47. eagleswin says: Jul 22, 2011 10:27 AM

    tbabyy25 says:
    Jul 22, 2011 10:11 AM
    1. The players haven’t revealed their specific grievances with the deal because there is still a gag order on the negotiations.

    2. They have clearly stated that the deal the owners approved is not what they were led to believe it would be. There’s no reason to lie about that. And nothing to be gained by it.

    3. This is exactly what the owners wanted, impatient and idiotic fans to simply back any deal, regardless of how unfair, just because it’s 0 hour and we don’t not care none cuz we wants our football back.

    4. Respect the fact that the players want to get back to football as badly as we do. They wouldnt cry wolf.

    —————————

    You are mistaken. The players have already moaned about the supplemental revenue sharing even though it has no bearing on them. Players are already on record of there being changes to the document while at the same time admitting they don’t know what the changes are because they haven’t read the document.

    There’s no evidence that the owners tried to slip one by the players. There is plenty of evidence that the players have no idea what their leadership agreed to. It is alot more palatable to the players to blame the owners than their own leadership and their own ignorance.

    If the NFLPA was considering a vote on Wednesday why had none of their membership seen a copy of the proposal before the Thursday night conference call? Think!

  48. m2karateman says: Jul 22, 2011 10:33 AM

    The owners put in a timeline for the players to recertify the NFLPA. I completely understand this. The owners want to protect themselves from future draft picks filing lawsuits that the draft is unfair, the CBA is unfair due to the rookie wage scale, etc. If the players, for whatever reason, choose not to recertify, then the owners are the ones hung out to dry, not the players.
    The owners are basically telling the players, “if you choose not to recertify, this deal is null and void, you have a week to make it happen”.

    I don’t blame the owners. The players wanted them to vote first, and got their wish. The owners took measures to ensure they were not going to be subjected to future costly lawsuits from people who aren’t even part of these negotiations.

    Players, be careful what you wish for.

  49. silverdeer says: Jul 22, 2011 10:34 AM

    “The truth of the matter is we got tricked, duped, led astray, hoodwinked, bamboozled! & I’m sorry you did too!” Holliday wrote.

    However, he has yet to see who or what did it. I think he has been watching too many Lucky Charms commercials and thinks that there are really Leprechauns out there.

  50. dcviking says: Jul 22, 2011 10:35 AM

    tbabyy25 says: Jul 22, 2011 10:11 AM

    1. The players haven’t revealed their specific grievances with the deal because there is still a gag order on the negotiations.

    2. They have clearly stated that the deal the owners approved is not what they were led to believe it would be. There’s no reason to lie about that. And nothing to be gained by it.

    3. This is exactly what the owners wanted, impatient and idiotic fans to simply back any deal, regardless of how unfair, just because it’s 0 hour and we don’t not care none cuz we wants our football back.

    4. Respect the fact that the players want to get back to football as badly as we do. They wouldnt cry wolf.

    ————————————–

    Sorry, I call BS on that.

    If in fact, the players have concerns about what’s in the document.

    The response should be “We’re reviewing the document to confirm its contents are what we agreed to, and are making arrangements required on our end to move forward once that verification has been successfully completed.

    If there are any discrepancies, we’ll need to address those with the owners. ”

    Not, “This isn’t what we’ve agreed to, we need to review the document.”

    Clearly, the owners are trying to put pressure on the players by their public display of ratification.

    However, off the handle tweets weaken the player’s position by highlighting ignorance, or lack of preparation.

    The players, collectively, should not sign a deal unless they believe it is fair. However, if they move too slowly and pre-season games start to be canceled, they’ll see their piece of the pie start to shrink as well.

    BTW – the NFL network listed several of the points that the owner’s agreed to last night.

  51. mike83ri says: Jul 22, 2011 10:37 AM

    I don’t understand how the owners wanted the players to vote first, so clearly the players already had a copy of what to vote on, then they delayed and the owners decided to go ahead and vote on it first, and now the players are saying they never saw what the owners voted on…

  52. stvang says: Jul 22, 2011 10:37 AM

    You’ll have to approve it to find out whats in the deal.

    Signed
    Nacy Pelosi

  53. readimgram1 says: Jul 22, 2011 10:38 AM

    tbabyy25 says:
    Jul 22, 2011 10:11 AM
    1. The players haven’t revealed their specific grievances with the deal because there is still a gag order on the negotiations.

    2. They have clearly stated that the deal the owners approved is not what they were led to believe it would be. There’s no reason to lie about that. And nothing to be gained by it.

    3. This is exactly what the owners wanted, impatient and idiotic fans to simply back any deal, regardless of how unfair, just because it’s 0 hour and we don’t not care none cuz we wants our football back.

    4. Respect the fact that the players want to get back to football as badly as we do. They wouldnt cry wolf.

    ———————————-

    How can you say all this drivel when the players have stated CLEARLY they HAVE NOT SEEN THE DEAL!????

  54. mike83ri says: Jul 22, 2011 10:38 AM

    How did you get duped if you haven’t seen it? Please pick one excuse and stick to it. You can’t say they tricked you right after saying you haven’t even seen it.

    The players are being retarded.

  55. capslockkey says: Jul 22, 2011 10:42 AM

    Hard to take anyone who wears a visor backwards seriously.

  56. gruss222 says: Jul 22, 2011 10:42 AM

    I stand 100% behind the owners telling these idiots to pack sand and close shop for the season!

    If you want to make accusations of “hoodwinked, bamboozled, trying to slip things in that weren’t agreed upon”….SHOW THE OWNERS YOUR POINTS OR THE OWNERS SHOULD WITHDRAW THE CONTRACT AND CLOSE THE DOORS FOR THE SEASON.

    By next year you will have had time to have a reading tutor explain to you the complex words of “and, or” that are contained in the document. And just maybe you will have enough knowledge to vote then!

  57. firemarshal1 says: Jul 22, 2011 11:01 AM

    Vonnie Holiday may not even be on any team this year. I can’t see why he doesn’t like it. Sorry, Vonnie look around you, what kind of work can you do for your current pay? Be happy, put your ego and pride aside. The players got free agency after four years. In this economy, the players should be happy and run with it. If not, don’t let the door hit you in the a$$. Ask for local Police and Fire officers, to see if they raises or pension improvements like you have just received. The answer is No, public servants didn’t receive any of the above. But we did receive pay cuts and reduced benefits. Like I said, take it and run with it. Could be worse……

  58. kingjoe1 says: Jul 22, 2011 11:04 AM

    Hey VH – Shut the mother lovin up!

    No one hoodwinked you, no one got one over on you, you have legal representation, you have team reps, and you have your own mind. The deal hasnt even been signed by the players, so really cant be hoodwinked. The NFL put on the table an offer they could live with, if you cant live with it, dont sign it. Stop with all the pity poor me rhetoric, it is tiresome, and certainly chips away at my allegiance to NFL football.

    BTW -Yes I would say it to your face.

  59. cpinct says: Jul 22, 2011 11:09 AM

    The players continue to prove that they really are the dumb jocks that the owners know they are. If they don’t smarten up, and stop looking a gift horse in the mouth, many of these players are going to end up selling most of their Sh!t on eBay and they will be flipping burgers to try and make a living like many of their current fans. I still cannot believe that these guys find ways to live paycheck to paycheck….Gordon Gekko would be proud of each and every one of them.

  60. jdmorgan1313 says: Jul 22, 2011 11:12 AM

    It had been widely expected that the owners would vote on the CBA at their Thursday meeting and have Friday meetings with GM and 3 other execs to go over the rules of signings and cap and all that lovely crap all week long…how could this be a shocking development to the players? How can this be adding pressure to the players if they knew it was coming? How can the players truly have thought they’d not have to reform the union as the league as we know it would not be able to operate very long before someone in our sue happy world we live in these days brought it crashing down.

    Owners have not handled this whole long process all that great, but the players haven’t been much better, and right now all I see is a bunch of folks trying to play victim and showing just how out of the loop they truly are as they simply have no clue about anything proven by their very own words.

  61. shadowgm1 says: Jul 22, 2011 11:15 AM

    Hey UFL,

    Looks to me like another NFL “never was” will be coming your way soon. Get your game films ready to scout Vonnie Holliday. This guy won’t even sniff another NFL contract (nor will he probably maintain one with a club) the way he’s been constantly whining.

    Looking forward to hearing you whine about the UFL contracts and money next season.

  62. thegonz13 says: Jul 22, 2011 11:23 AM

    Just for some perspective…

    Up here in Canada, 1,200 workers (each making $13 an hour) got savagely laid off when their employer up and left for Nashville. None of those people got paid for their last two weeks of work. THAT’S getting hoodwinked and bamboozled!

    So Vonnie, you’re a fine one to talk. You have your multi-million deal, you have no what the plight of the everyday working man is so shut up while you still have a shred of credibility.

    Besides, you bamboozled your way to a big contract so shut up!

  63. ravenschick says: Jul 22, 2011 11:37 AM

    This reeks of NFLPA* lawyers trying to stretch things out so they can make more money.

    Fargin’ iceholes.

  64. hgfrombc2 says: Jul 22, 2011 11:48 AM

    mhs8031:
    “Come on, players. Get some common sense.”

    Common sense – biggest oxymoron in the english language today.

  65. mogogo1 says: Jul 22, 2011 11:54 AM

    The players may well have been duped. But it’s their union leadership they need to talk to, not the owners. The player reps hadn’t seen the agreement a whole day after they were supposedly going to vote on it? All the copier machines at union headquarters were broken? Email was down?

    If Vonnie doesn’t like the deal his leadership negotiated, he needs to talk to them. But first he might want to get educated as to what exactly the deal is to avoid sounding stupid.

  66. granadafan says: Jul 22, 2011 12:20 PM

    Many of you pro-owner bloggers don’t realize that you shouldn’t sign a contract without reading it. This was a publicity stunt, straight up by the owners. They quickly signed off on a document THEY drafted and declared the lockout over without an agreement by the other party.

    You wouldn’t sign a rental agreement with your landlord without reading it line by line, so why are so many of you bashing the players? Are you ignorant, naive, or paid PR stooges by the league to create positive publicity?

  67. jikkle49 says: Jul 22, 2011 12:31 PM

    I agree in how do you know the owners slipped in things if you’ve never seen the document? Do you honestly know how completely stupid that sounds?

    Also great your on your own timeline and that’s perfectly fine but don’t complain about being “pressured” by the owners because guess what they aren’t on your timeline either.

    You’ve know for months that the owners are trying to save preseason revenue so this by far and away shouldn’t be a surprise to you when they want to push this along because the deadline between saving millions of dollars and losing millions of dollars is right there in their face.

    So stop crying and making your public perception even more worse than it is, read the document, and finish off any points of contention and be done with it.

  68. jikkle49 says: Jul 22, 2011 1:14 PM

    @granadafan

    The negative reaction to the player is largely stemming from the ignorant comments from the players.

    I’m sure if their statement was “We the players need to thoroughly take time to read through and discuss with our members the details of the agreement than I’m sure the reaction wouldn’t be so negative”

    But when you have players making comments bashing the owners for trying to trick them for adding stuff and then have no answer for what they added because they haven’t read the document than you’re rightly going to get called stupid.

    As far as we all know both sides lawyers drafted up these documents so I assume the owners voted on the draft that both sides already agreed to. Maybe they did try to trick the players but so far there has been no evidence of that as we’ve yet to hear what the owners “added”

  69. ladymacesq says: Jul 22, 2011 1:26 PM

    Who the hell is this guy?

    Seriously.

    I’m a Redskins fan and I wouldn’t know him if he came up and bit me.

    Dude, read the damn thing and THEN talk. Otherwise it sounds like you’re planning on voting against it without seeing it.

    Moron.

  70. melikefootball says: Jul 22, 2011 1:41 PM

    Hoodwinke your Mr Smith, fair deal, you aren’t after fair your after running the league. After listening to players now I may be forced to go back to being a baseball fan. I thought that would never happen after their last strike.

  71. richm2256 says: Jul 22, 2011 2:51 PM

    So for Holliday, the mere fact that the owners ‘approved” it, must mean that the players are getting screwed?????

    Excuse me, but the owners approved the LAST CBA, which everyone on the planet now admits THEY got “hoodwinked” on.

    I try to believe that NFL players are intelligent people, but they keep proving me wrong.

  72. richm2256 says: Jul 22, 2011 2:57 PM

    Last thought: If the owners ARE trying to “hoodwink” the players, isn’t it De Smith’s job to keep on top of that????

    The players can only be “hoodwinked’ if it gets by De Smith, whose a$$ would then be in a sling with the players he’s supposed to represent, no?

  73. Soulman45 says: Jul 23, 2011 1:26 AM

    Twitter is going to be a lot of trouble for some players when the lock out is over, management is not going to forget.

  74. damnyankee13 says: Jul 23, 2011 5:36 PM

    You dont like the deal? Dont sign it. Cancell the season. We can all find better things to dfo with our time and our money

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