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Winners, losers from the NFL lockout

Fans wait outside the NFL Players Association headquarters in Washington AP

We have broken down the deal.  Now let’s look at who escaped this lockout slog looking good, and who didn’t.

The Winners

Veteran NFL players: They missed an offseason of minicamps and practices, which should make it easier to fend off young players in camp this year.  More importantly, they will get a bigger slice of the salary cap pie.

Top rookies will make far less in this new CBA, and that money will go to veterans.  Getting NFL teams to agree to a very aggressive “salary cap floor” also guarantees NFL revenue will be spent back on the players.

For example, teams have to spend to 99% of the salary cap as a league this year.  The lowest any team can spend is 89% of the cap.  These are huge increases from previous floors that will guarantee small market teams spend aggressively.

Players you’ve never heard of: Minimum salaries of players will go up $50,000, which is a substantial increase.  Almost half the league has minimum salary contracts.  The players did right by their right by the rank and file.

Bank accounts of NFL owners: The NFLPA* was playing defense all along.  We essentially knew ahead of time the owners would leave this lockout with a larger share of total revenue, and that is the case.

The players made advances in other issues like safety and a salary cap floor, but ultimately the owners will now get a greater share of a rapidly growing revenue pool.  This can be a “win-win” deal, but there’s no debate the owners will get more money in this CBA than the one that came before it.

That was the entire idea behind the lockout.

Small market teams: Yes, they have to spend more to get to the salary cap floor.  They also will get more revenue sharing help from the top-earning teams in the league.

Jeff Saturday and Domonique Foxworth: These two leaders from the NFLPA* earned a lot of respect.

Mediator Arthur Boylan: Sure, the biggest breakthrough happened when he was on vacation.  Boylan still kept the union and NFL moving forward during choppy waters.  He helped to finish the job mediator George Cohen could not.

A special thanks to …

Patriots owner Robert Kraft: No owner did more to bring the two sides together and compromise than Patriots owner Robert Kraft. That he did it against the backdrop of his wife’s battle with cancer makes his contributions all the more remarkable.

Colts center Jeff Saturday’s remarks after the agreement said it all.

Gets his own category

DeMaurice Smith: Fans may disagree, but we suspect history will show Smith did well by his players.  Let’s face it: The NFLPA* is always going to be an underdog in labor talks.  They have fewer resources and they were playing defense.

Smith took over a difficult situation and slowly earned the respect of his players and adversaries in ownership.  He didn’t give up that much and got plenty in return for financial concessions.  Most importantly, he helped get to the finish line without missing significant time in training camp or the preseason.

The lockout was caused by owner unhappiness at a time of unprecedented prosperity in the league. They locked the players out, which has to count for something.  Both sides were at fault for taking fans for granted throughout the process, and dragging this out longer than necessary.  That’s why Smith isn’t a “winner” but someone that earned respect.

Losers

The 18-game concept: It will eventually be a matter of debate again, but not for at least two years.  This was a big issue for the players, and they didn’t budge.

Roger Goodell: We think Goodell is a very good commissioner with the best interests of the game at heart. But there’s no denying he’s been beaten up over the last few months.  Player anger towards him became significant.  A perception grew that he couldn’t control his owners. (We’re not sure anyone could.)

Goodell’s efforts to end the lockout cannot be underestimated.  But this is a results business: Goodell presided over the longest work stoppage in league history.  In the long run, people will view the 2011 lockout as a speed bump for a wildly successful league.  In the short run, the NFL can’t have it both ways.

They have sold the concept to fans on NFL Network that the “season never ends.” It ended for five months this year, running the league’s biggest fans through an emotional ringer.

This lockout came primarily as a money grab at a time of unprecedented success for the league. Considering the economic climate the lockout took place in, Goodell takes a short-term hit.

Hardcore coaches: Practice contact will be reduced dramatically in the regular season. Offseason practices will also be cut down, with big fines for coaches who break the rules.

“The only thing the players didn’t get is someone else to play for them,” one source told PFT.

Highly-drafted rookies: This especially applies to top ten picks.  No. 1 overall pick Cam Newton is slated to get roughly $22 million over the next four years.  For comparison’s sake, last year’s top pick Sam Bradford got $50 million guaranteed and $72 million over his first six years.

First-round picks outside the top-16 picks will take a hit, but it’s not as dramatic.  Players taken in rounds two-through-seven may actually benefit because of the minimum salary increase.

All 2011 rookies: It will be harder for quarterbacks like Newton or Minnesota’s Christian Ponder to win starting gigs and succeed in camp after missing the entire offseason.  This will especially hurt late-round picks and undrafted players that now seem more likely to be cut.

Undrafted players:  With the per-team signing bonus expenditure limited to $75,000 per team for undrafted players, these rookies will no longer be able to tell prospective teams to put their money where their mouths are.

Agents: They are taking a hair cut on fees for rookie contracts, which are already headed South.  Anti-holdout measures for rookies will also be taken, which takes away a leverage point for agents.

Carson Palmer and Donovan McNabb: Perhaps the Bengals could have traded Palmer before the 2011 draft. Now it appears he may spend the 2011 season at home because he refuses to play for Cincinnati.  The Bengals probably won’t entertain trading him until 2012.

McNabb would not still be a member of the Redskins if not for the lockout. With five highly drafted rookies getting taken, the market for him has been significantly diminished. His exorbitant bonus isn’t due until September, which means the Redskins may fruitlessly try to trade him for a while.  More jobs will be filled in the meantime.

Vincent Jackson: Fans won’t forget that Jackson was the last Brady antitrust plaintiff to give up on squeezing the NFL for more cash in exchange for his signature.  We don’t think it’s fair to call the players “greedy” throughout much of the process, but Jackson, Logan Mankins, Drew Brees, and Peyton Manning took a P.R. hit by seeking extra benefits for attaching their name to the antitrust case.

NFL fans: The players and owners take us for granted because they can.  We just want football, and we support the league completely. It was an insane act of hubris for the NFL to threaten to take the game away when it was at its very peak. The league isn’t likely to pay for it.

Rich Eisen from NFL Network put it well: “Love all these fans saying now we missed nothing when my twitter feed has been filled for 4 months MFing everyone involved in this process.”

The more you love the game, the more these last five months have been difficult to swallow.

The lucky part: We won’t have to go through this again for at least another decade.

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92 Responses to “Winners, losers from the NFL lockout”
  1. jleimer says: Jul 25, 2011 3:18 PM

    And with this news today we should all get honorary degrees in Law 101 because this was confusing as hell from day 1 till today.

  2. trbowman says: Jul 25, 2011 3:19 PM

    who cares who won?!!?!

    FOOTALL’S BACK!!

  3. steel6times says: Jul 25, 2011 3:19 PM

    Winners – The Steelers. That’s all we do.

  4. trbowman says: Jul 25, 2011 3:19 PM

    football*

    I am excited.

  5. JackLeone says: Jul 25, 2011 3:20 PM

    Football is back!! There are no losers!! We all win!!

  6. joshuavkidd says: Jul 25, 2011 3:21 PM

    Not sure I could call Goodell a loser and more than you could call Smith a winner or loser… he got the owner to basically unanimously approve a deal and in a lot less time then in took the NFLPA to do the same. And he manage to keep his owners from fighting with each other.

  7. rgwhodey says: Jul 25, 2011 3:21 PM

    Biggest Losers, really only 1… THE FANS!!!

    Jus Sayin’

  8. beastofeden says: Jul 25, 2011 3:23 PM

    Is this really a big deal? Who really thought the season was in jeopardy?

  9. beastofeden says: Jul 25, 2011 3:23 PM

    Is this really a big deal? Who really thought the season was in jeopardy?

  10. freedomispopular says: Jul 25, 2011 3:23 PM

    You should have also put the quality of tackling in with the losers. Tackling is already horrible around the league, and now with less contact, it’s only gonna get worse.

  11. kurmudge says: Jul 25, 2011 3:25 PM

    Offhand, it seems to me that Bob Batterman and Jeffrey Kessler both lost as well, Kessler probably most because the lawsuit is settled and pretty much buried in perpetuity. I doubt that the NFLPA will try the stunt again of pretending that they aren’t a union.

  12. infectorman says: Jul 25, 2011 3:26 PM

    PFT wrote:
    Vincent Jackson: Fans won’t forget that Jackson was the last Brady antitrust plaintiff to give up on squeezing the NFL for more cash in exchange for his signature. We don’t think it’s fair to call the players “greedy” throughout much of the process, but Jackson, Logan Mankins, Drew Brees, and Peyton Manning took a P.R. hit for seeking extra benefits for attaching their name to the antitrust case.

    Look for these fellas (and others) to seek Congressional seats when their playing days end; the slick move described above is eerily similar to todays politicians voting for a bill, if and only if, they get their BS earmarks and PORK written into it… NFL; is the farm system for the future Barney Franks, Chris DOdd’s and Harry Reids of the world.

    Will it ever end?

  13. scoops1 says: Jul 25, 2011 3:26 PM

    steel6times says:
    Jul 25, 2011 3:19 PM
    Winners – The Steelers. That’s all we do.
    ——————————-

    How did SB 45 work out for you????

  14. fwippel says: Jul 25, 2011 3:26 PM

    While I like the separate category for Smith, methinks that some of the players had a (if you’ll pardon the politically incorrect phrase) “come to Jesus” meeting with him.

    Smith was chomping at the bit for a loud and attention-grabbing showdown with the owners. It’s nice to see the cooler heads of the players prevail here. When players started publicly breaking ranks with his hardline stance, Smith had no choice but to back off and start serious negotiations. That’s when things changed.

    While I’m no fan of Goodell, I don’t know that I’d call him a loser here. When this season wraps up in early February with the Super Bowl, few fans will remember this lockout. No games of any meaning were lost, and the regular season will start as scheduled. That’s what fans wanted.

    Lastly, the 18 game schedule is coming….it’s only a matter of time.

  15. nyjetsforlife says: Jul 25, 2011 3:27 PM

    there is one winner and one loser……..winner the nfl fans on july 25th 2011 and on ……losers nfl fans march 11th to july24th

  16. jamaltimore says: Jul 25, 2011 3:27 PM

    Seriously, do you read anything other than football blogs. “A money grab in unprecedented growth” is used repeatedly in this story. Um have you taken a pulse of country about to default and league that soon will be begging Jeremiah Weed to become their biggest sponsor.

    Fact is these are VERY uncertain economic times and the owners had a right to IMPROVE their long term economic interests before let’s say teams start going under like th NBA and NHL or stadiums start emptying like MLB….

  17. cheezheadz says: Jul 25, 2011 3:29 PM

    steel6times says: Jul 25, 2011 3:19 PM

    Winners – The Steelers. That’s all we do.

    ————————————–

    The last Lombardi Trophy awarded in Dallas, TX would like to disagree.

  18. bucfevernva says: Jul 25, 2011 3:29 PM

    Finally this thing is finished I have been reading every article and everyone’s comments throughout this whole shin dig! now its time for some Buc ball baby! GO BUCCCCCCCCCCCCCS!

    TAMPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPA

    BAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!

  19. melikefootball says: Jul 25, 2011 3:29 PM

    All the talk by media today wants to make God-del the loser. As much as I am not a fan of God-del I do say Smith should be looked on in the same manner.

  20. mad5555 says: Jul 25, 2011 3:30 PM

    @ steel6times

    They actually lost last year and have a rapist as a QB, a dirty drunk driving WR, and countless other criminals and nitwits on the team. Probably the ugliest fans in the NFL. And a pitt stop city.

  21. joelvis72 says: Jul 25, 2011 3:31 PM

    Winners: players. More money for less work. Just like all unions.

  22. techstar25 says: Jul 25, 2011 3:31 PM

    What lockout?

  23. zerored78 says: Jul 25, 2011 3:34 PM

    If Goodell has the best interests of the game at heart, maybe he could stop continuing to “protect” players from getting hit in a contact sport. Last I checked, the game was supposed to be bigger than any individual players. I think he cares more about his bosses’ back accounts than the game.

  24. ravens26 says: Jul 25, 2011 3:34 PM

    Biggest losers…players. They came off looking greedy and their remarks during the process were uninformed, immature and did not help their cause. I think they got a fair and equitable deal and that is good, they deserve it. Too many just would not keep quiet and let teh talks play out. On the other hand…players, glad you can get back to work and that you have a fair deal. No more Mike Brown cheating you or the fans. Good deal all the way around.

  25. profootballwalk says: Jul 25, 2011 3:35 PM

    freedomispopular says: Jul 25, 2011 3:23 PM

    You should have also put the quality of tackling in with the losers. Tackling is already horrible around the league, and now with less contact, it’s only gonna get worse.

    *******************************

    They don’t practice tackling in the NFL – it would cause too many injuries. If players want to improve their tackling, they have to do it during games.

  26. nineroutsider says: Jul 25, 2011 3:36 PM

    Seems to me that everyone is a winner in this deal. What did the fans really miss? That doesn’t mean I wasn’t pissed about the prospect of missing games, but obviously that isn’t happening…

    It is about to be 6 months of non-stop football…

    Are you boys ready to be surprised by my Niners?

    GET SOME…

  27. jnbnet says: Jul 25, 2011 3:36 PM

    steel6times says:
    Jul 25, 2011 3:19 PM
    Winners – The Steelers. That’s all we do.

    ==================================

    Learn how to spell….I think you meant whine…not win.

  28. tombradysbaby says: Jul 25, 2011 3:37 PM

    Losers: The Bills

    They have now play this season out…

  29. rpiotr01 says: Jul 25, 2011 3:38 PM

    How in the world can you call Goodell a loser when:

    1.) He got the owners what they wanted – a bigger cut of the pie;

    2.) He’s taken the verbal beating thrown at him by players and has not retaliated. Players are incompetent and immature – the commissioner did not sink to their level;

    3.) He got a revenue sharing agreement signed by owners that, at the end of the day, ensures the vitality of smaller market teams; and

    4.) Owners imposed a lockout but no games were missed. MAJOR win.

  30. citiciti says: Jul 25, 2011 3:39 PM

    Forget all the other B.S.What about FARVE!!!!

  31. capslockkey says: Jul 25, 2011 3:40 PM

    Add one more for “losers”:

    Season ticket holders. Even after MANY complaints to Goodall and Company during this lockout, we are still stuck paying full price for two scrimmages a year that most can’t even give away, much less sell.

  32. Rhode Island Patriots Fan says: Jul 25, 2011 3:40 PM

    There is one glaring omission in the analysis above. There should have been a “Turning Point” category. Without a doubt, it was the Eighth Circuit’s majority ruling on the stay pending appeal which allowed the lockout to continue. It was no coincidence that is when the negotiations to settle this labor dispute finally got serious.

  33. berniemadoffsides says: Jul 25, 2011 3:43 PM

    I would add Andrew Luck to the “Winners” section. He’d have been Carolina’s #1 pick AND he would’ve been thrown to the Lions immediately.

  34. drboogerlips says: Jul 25, 2011 3:48 PM

    The biggest losers (and forgotten unfortunately) are all the peripheral employees and companies that lost jobs, wages, etc.

  35. richkotitte says: Jul 25, 2011 3:49 PM

    I can hear Cam already, ” I wanna get paid big-just like in college! “

  36. allinblindsevenduece says: Jul 25, 2011 3:50 PM

    I was pro owner most of the way through this but it’s funny how the players that gained the most respect (Saturday and Foxworth) and from what I heard from various radio station did a lot of work too towards this, were the one we heard least from in the public. I lost a huge amount of respect for Brees in the whole situation. Hopefully in 10 years those two will be a part of the next CBA with the integrity they showed here. There was never really any malice from either of those two, just straight business.

  37. rcali says: Jul 25, 2011 3:53 PM

    Losers: Fans – Expect everything to get more expensive to pay for the concessions.

  38. TurdSandwich says: Jul 25, 2011 3:55 PM

    I LOVE the idea that unproven rookies wont be eating proven vets pie anymore. Now if they had just fixed The College Championship structure..

  39. southcakpanther says: Jul 25, 2011 3:59 PM

    berniemadoffsides says:
    Jul 25, 2011 3:43 PM
    I would add Andrew Luck to the “Winners” section. He’d have been Carolina’s #1 pick AND he would’ve been thrown to the Lions immediately.
    _______________________
    Keep hating. We’ll be back faster than many think. At 16 years young, the Panthers are a pretty damned solid franchise.

  40. blackheld says: Jul 25, 2011 4:00 PM

    Anyone really notice? After the fist pounding exhibition that made all the news feeds, Jerry Jones was virtually silent and unseen for the rest of the negotiations.

    Given that Jones is an outspoken, aggressive owner, and that he’s also richer than god and has the typical ego to go with that amount of money, you really have to credit Goodell and the rest of the negotiating team for doing such a great job keeping Jones under control…that’s a poor description, but it’s going to have to do.

    Ditto, to some extent, Jerry Richardson, who pretty much made his early disparaging remarks just go away.

    Lastly, one of the most telling things about these negotiations was the complete absence of Al Davis, who over the years was always one of the major faces of NFL ownership. I don’t know if Al’s health was the cause, but I hope not. You don’t have to like the man to understand how important he’s been to football, and what a loss his presence will be.

  41. londonbengal says: Jul 25, 2011 4:02 PM

    Winners ?

    Gots to be Bengal fans. At least Mike Brown has got to spend some money now……….

  42. jaxjoe says: Jul 25, 2011 4:03 PM

    I believe it’s a win-win. But, I bet Jake Locker wished he’d entered LAST years draft!!

    @kurmudge

    You have a good point. The players union took a severe legal blow by the 8th circuit which brought them back to the table. There is now legal precedence that will impact the NFLPA strategy 10 years from now. I don’t think they’ll ever try to decertify again while testing the federal courts’ waters because of Norris-Laguardia. And. clearly, strikes in the past haven’t gotten them anywhere. So, the players really are not in a strong bargaining position. But, hey, they’re still filthy rich.

    But all-in-all, nothing was lost; not even for us fans. The town of Canton certainly has lost, but that’s about it.

  43. footballhistorian says: Jul 25, 2011 4:05 PM

    I sure enjoy the thought of agents taking a hit financially…especially Rosenhaus…

  44. champgiff says: Jul 25, 2011 4:05 PM

    Don’t forget about Canton, OH as a loser. Missing the HOF Game is going to hurt that town economically.

  45. malthor says: Jul 25, 2011 4:06 PM

    I agree with all of it except the incessant harping how the league has never made more money and is a time of unprecedented prosperity.

    The owners are right, growth will not continue as it has, revenue might actually go down at some point this year or next.

    The consumers, fans, the people who actually pay for the game are living through the worst economic situation in 80 years. Do you honestly think you can keep raising prices and charging more and keep them coming back? really?

    Yea the owners locked the players out at the “peak”, but they did it because they know it is a PEAK not a plateau.

  46. thefiesty1 says: Jul 25, 2011 4:07 PM

    If I never see or hear from DeMo for the next 10 years today will be the best day in the history of football. He shot his wad when he walked out and decertified the union back in March. This whole sorry process can be placed on his pimp shoulders.

  47. rabidmike says: Jul 25, 2011 4:15 PM

    Since they weren’t mentioned any where on this list I guess that proves my point. Biggest short term winner: sports media – by maintaining readership, listenership and viewers during a work stoppage by presenting orgy of info without context, filled with innuendo and speculations that on occasion did nothing more than anger the fans toward the parties and the process. You guys never got it right, never provided any credible insight, and mostly tried to one up each other with conflicting reports from unnamed and uninformed sources.

    Hopeful Biggest Longterm Loser: the sports media. Reason: see above.

  48. semperfi24 says: Jul 25, 2011 4:16 PM

    Can we add ESPN to the losers list? They had the lockout essentially over, and then on again, and then essentially over, essentially over, and then on again, and then essentially over every freakin day, lol

  49. mimitaroo says: Jul 25, 2011 4:22 PM

    Winners – The Steelers. That’s all we do.

    ——————–

    I would suggest the Steelers are actually losers. Considering they are now over 10m over the new salary cap.

    Same with Dallas.

  50. yajas says: Jul 25, 2011 4:27 PM

    steel6times says: “Winners – The Steelers. That’s all we do.”

    Trash talking about your team in the comments of an article that doesn’t really have to do with your team autmatically puts you in the loser category.

  51. nickster31 says: Jul 25, 2011 4:27 PM

    londonbengal says: Jul 25, 2011 4:02 PM

    Winners ?

    Gots to be Bengal fans. At least Mike Brown has got to spend some money now……….

    ***********************************************

    Does bail money count against the salary floor?

  52. bucngator says: Jul 25, 2011 4:28 PM

    Goodell does NOT belong on the loser list…. he gained a LOT of respect, by not stooping to the lowlife players level of personal attacks, in a business decision. Keeping the owners in check was and still is, no easy task.

    DeSmith… definitely a LOSER throughout the process…. NOONE has any respect for this knucklehead. He wanted litigation over negotiation from the start.

    Add ProFootballTalk to list of losers….. although you did your best to keep us informed, the OBVIOUS slant towards the players, and the oversaturation of your position, lost you A LOT of respect…

    and last but not least on the losers list, is the Hall of Fame class of 2011….

    We used to pay attention, because the HOF game had interviews with each one….
    ….but do you really think anyone will pay any attention to the ceremonies surrounding their enshrinement, outside of their families, friends and die-hard fans? Not a chance!!

  53. alan3008 says: Jul 25, 2011 4:31 PM

    I was waiting for the article to say the fans are the losers and they did, saving it for last. Ticket prices will probably go up as a result of this and more and more fans will not be able to afford to take their families to a game. To hell with them all. Those players are nothing but a bunch of OVERPAID BRAT WHINERS snorting most of that money up their noses in the form of cocaine. I will spend my money and time watching college football games.

  54. nickster31 says: Jul 25, 2011 4:32 PM

    scoops1 says: Jul 25, 2011 3:26 PM

    How did SB 45 work out for you????

    cheezheadz says: Jul 25, 2011 3:29 PM

    The last Lombardi Trophy awarded in Dallas, TX would like to disagree.

    Two words – Got 6?

  55. lostsok says: Jul 25, 2011 4:33 PM

    So basically, Cam Newton takes a pay cut…everyone else wins.

    Sweet.

  56. alan3008 says: Jul 25, 2011 4:34 PM

    Steel6times,

    Hey, I heard Roethlisberger got married. Sorry is wife has serious vision problems as well as judgement of character problems. Her nose is functioning very well though. She smells all that money.

  57. doe22us says: Jul 25, 2011 4:35 PM

    How is Goodell a loser as someone said, he got the owners the bigger piece of the pie, managed to secure a decade length in labor peace,and also will stomp on Pac Man and Aqib/okolo Talib in short order. That is #winning to me.

  58. eagleempire says: Jul 25, 2011 4:36 PM

    We the fans are ultimately the ones who LOST. Both the owners and players are happy because they didn’t lose any games. Owners will simply feed us fans a pack of B.S. next year when our season ticket invoices come out and we see a 10% increase in our tickets. We get screwed, they make more money. Some things never change.

  59. udontknowjaq says: Jul 25, 2011 4:38 PM

    steel6times says:
    Jul 25, 2011 3:19 PM

    Winners – The Steelers. That’s all we do.

    ==================================

    I don’t care how many thumbs down u get your kinda right! They do have more lombardi’s then anybody in this modern day game! They might of loss the last but history proves the Steelers are winners! More SB’s to come! History says dats Fact1

  60. pleasantsurpriselefty says: Jul 25, 2011 4:39 PM

    Winner: ME, as I did not read one article about lockout during the whole, drawn out bore. Just headlines so I’d know when to stop sticking pins in lawyer dolls.

  61. contraryguy says: Jul 25, 2011 4:39 PM

    Remind us again where Carson Palmer would have come out a winner? He’s just a talking head until he puts on a uni again.

    Meanwhile at this hour, Mike Brown is walking aroung the stadium, increasing the beer stand prices… gotta pay for that minimum wage hike.

  62. alan3008 says: Jul 25, 2011 4:43 PM

    Steel6times,
    “steel6times says: Jul 25, 2011 3:19 PM

    Winners – The Steelers. That’s all we do.”
    _____________

    Hey steel6times,
    493 “thumbs down” and counting vs 40 thumbs up. Way to go. Last thing the Steelers did?- LOSE – Remember?

  63. alan3008 says: Jul 25, 2011 4:46 PM

    contraryguy,

    I think they got confused and pulled Palmer’s name off of the “whiners” list and put it on the “winners” list by mistake. He is, in fact a whining loser.

  64. theblowtorchreview says: Jul 25, 2011 4:48 PM

    Wait a minute…….what happened to all the people who were screaming screw football and all those millionaires while the lockout was on?

    All is forgiven now and just like that you’re back in your seats?

  65. ginojohn says: Jul 25, 2011 4:48 PM

    Eat your hearts out ,you non-steeler fans!!!!

  66. biist says: Jul 25, 2011 4:50 PM

    “Money Grab”? Really?
    Not hiding your progressive colors anymore? Ironically, making money off the money grab with this blog, appearing on NFL Network, etc, etc.
    No. It was not a money grab when its your money you’re grabbing.

  67. fwippel says: Jul 25, 2011 4:53 PM

    One more to the loser list:

    ESPN: I’m sorry, but this network was completely in the tank for the players. So much so that they led the charge claiming that Susan Nelson’s decision in support of the players was so ironclad that it would never be overturned. In fact, it was in illogical decision that strained credibility, and any level-headed analyst could have said so.

    The idea that the NFLPA could decertify itself as a union, and then turn around and demand that the courts re-institute a contract between the owners and an entity (the players union) that no longer existed made absolutely zero sense. Any proof needed that this was nothing more than a sham on the part of the NFLPA will be proven once it re-certifies itself as a union.

    ESPN acted like paid propoganda for the NFLPA, and quite frankly, PFT got sucked into that to some extent.

  68. larryfinfan says: Jul 25, 2011 4:54 PM

    It appeared to most of us that De Smith was the one who couldn’t control his constituents and certainly there was a disconnect in the communication between the entire NFLPA negotiating team and the players, as evidenced by the backlash from the owners announcement that they’d approved the deal last week…when in reality, it was a deal that they had negotiated with the owners.

    The biggest losers, besides fans, to me are the lawyers, particularly the NFLPA lawyers. Seems like every move they made to bottle the owners up backfired on them. Perhaps not all in a legal sense, but certainly in a moral sense with the fans. While they will get paid, there isn’t a one I’d like defending me for any issue I might have in the future.

    The next biggest loser/laugh is the de-certified NFLPA. Is there any, I repeat any doubt by anyone that the whole thing was a sham ?? And what did they get for the trouble of de-shamifying, not much. The owners imposed the lockout anyways, in fact the de-certification forced the owners to lockout…and then they ended up having to NEGOTIATE to resolve it anyway…How prophetic was Roger Goodell ?? did he not say that the disputes would be resolved thru negotiation and not thru litigation ??

    Would the parameters of this deal have been much different without the de-certification ?? Doubtful…

  69. larryfinfan says: Jul 25, 2011 4:57 PM

    Hey fwippel…

    One more to the loser list:

    ESPN: I’m sorry, but this network was completely in the tank for the players.

    Gotta agree but geez, every sports announcer they have is a former player…But seriously, that’s a really good point…I’ve always called them the Fox news station of sports….

  70. tgrfan42069 says: Jul 25, 2011 4:59 PM

    winners…players and owners…losers the fans

  71. bunjy96 says: Jul 25, 2011 5:19 PM

    Jeff Saturday and Domonique Foxworth: These two leaders from the NFLPA* earned a lot of respect.

    _______

    Not enough kudos can be given to these two.
    Class acts in the negotiations and dealing with the horrible media.

  72. 1bigtex says: Jul 25, 2011 5:19 PM

    @ udontknowjaq

    After reading what you wrote, I have to agree that you certainly don’t know Jack. You also lack the ability to articulate your points in anything even remotely resembling a coherent manner. Congratulations on your incompetence, but may I suggest that you change your log-in name should drop the “u” and insert an “i” instead.

  73. poprock48 says: Jul 25, 2011 5:21 PM

    SO larryfinfan… do you believe the owners wouldn’t have locked out the players if they didn’t de-certify? That they would have sat down with the NFLPA and negotiated?

    The pro-owner slant of commenters on this site is nothing short of mystifying to me. I guess its because we have a semblance of commonality with players and they get paid to play “a game” therefore become the target of our ire, while the owners are at a level of wealth generally beyond comprehension and fleece us at every chance they have but we take their side.

  74. saintsfan3075 says: Jul 25, 2011 5:23 PM

    Another winner: Drew Brees. Oh, PFT tried very hard to make him look like he was trying to cut his own deal (turns out to be false information) and then tried to suggest he knew nothing about the timeline (turns out, he was right and all of your “sources” were wrong). My guess is, like the rest of the sports media, you won’t admit you’re wrong about something unless you think you’ll be sued for libel.

  75. jlinatl says: Jul 25, 2011 5:39 PM

    Goodell and Smith being classified as winners or losers at this point is a couple years premature. Both took a beating during the process but that’s part of the job.

    In a few years it may be clear that who is a winner and who is a loser. Hopefully, the agreement is viable for both sides and they decide to extend it. For now, I would qualify both as winners because no games were missed.

    The excitement generated by the frantic pace of the next few weeks will overcome the lockout residual feelings.

  76. fringetastic says: Jul 25, 2011 5:40 PM

    I regard it as a “win” that the 18 game season is squashed for now.

    I also question one of the reasons regarding whether Agents are losers here. Of course the agents who have the highest draft picks will earn less initially (though the money overall and throughout the agent business is still the same or growing), but now they won’t have incentives to act aggressively for the rookies, which may improve their relations with teams.

  77. dspyank2k11 says: Jul 25, 2011 5:41 PM

    “Highly-drafted rookies: This especially applies to top ten picks. No. 1 overall pick Cam Newton is slated to get roughly $22 million over the next four years. For comparison’s sake, last year’s top pick Sam Bradford got $50 million guaranteed and $72 million over his first six years.”

    Thank You NFL!

    Its waaay too late, but better late than never.

    Cammy cam and the other rookies will actually have to W O R K.
    :)

  78. packersareandwillalwaysbebetterthanthebears says: Jul 25, 2011 5:56 PM

    nickster31 says: Jul 25, 2011 4:32 PM scoops1 says: Jul 25, 2011 3:26 PM How did SB 45 work out for you???? cheezheadz says: Jul 25, 2011 3:29 PM The last Lombardi Trophy awarded in Dallas, TX would like to disagree. Two words –Got 6?

    ———–

    Got 13?

  79. db105 says: Jul 25, 2011 6:03 PM

    The losers are the NFL season ticketholders that still have pay full price for preseason games.

  80. thomas2727 says: Jul 25, 2011 6:11 PM

    I love the Mensa with the “two words, got 6′

    That’s one word, 6 is a number genius.

  81. bengalsmofo says: Jul 25, 2011 6:36 PM

    Any word on whether Russia will still assume internet rights for blacked out home games?

  82. valman61 says: Jul 25, 2011 7:01 PM

    Malthor:

    Also to anyone else claiming this lockout was not during the peak or that this was in anticipation of a recession in NFL revenues. You could not be more wrong. This is the most the league has ever made in history and they project outrageous growth going forward. This entire lockout was due to the structure of the league getting a billion off top and than sharing over 50% in excess of that billion. The owners realized that the billion wouldn’t be much and that the players would end up making more if revenue grew so high. For math’s sake, let’s say it was 20 billion in one year, minus one billion off the top than 60-40 players for the rest. That equals to players getting 11.6 billion and owners getting. 8.6. The owners foresaw this and knew they had to change that, and that’s exactly what they did. Now they get 52% flat. This was all about losing by way of the % if they experience major growth. Not saving more cause times were hard or they expected a decline. It was a money grab, you can dress it anyway you like. It still doesn’t change reality.

  83. denverdude7 says: Jul 25, 2011 7:27 PM

    WINNERS:
    NFL & NFLPA

    LOSERS:
    EVERY NFL FAN IN AMERICA

    Want to know why? Read the following post just added to the Netflix article on MSNBC.COM:

    With all the Netflix hand wringing going on has anyone noticed that DirectTV has added the Sunday Snap to the NFL Sunday Ticket package and now charges nearly $400 for the season? That’s right !!! No opt-out option on the Sunday Snap either. But wait for it, wait for it… DirectTV is now offering new customers the entire package for free. I’ll give you one guess who the loser in the NFL lockout really is. You see him every morning in the mirror.

  84. phonecops says: Jul 25, 2011 8:11 PM

    Someone beat me to it, but I have to say it anyway.
    Got 6… no
    We have 13.

  85. pftstory says: Jul 25, 2011 8:19 PM

    The season does end for 90% of the fan base. 90% of the fan base didn’t miss a thing.

    Many many were scared that this would not be settled in time. I was actually hopeful a few preseason games would be missed. Would save on my season tix package. Eisen may need to realize that maybe the same people aren’t Twittering him now that were MFing earlier. But there is the fact that allot of people were expecting worse.

    Meanwhile, I’ll sit back enjoy this free agent period, Check out the 3rd pre-season games for Fantasy information then wait for kick-off.

    The majority of football fans will not even notice the lock-out. Of course WE DID. And I’m not saying anyone one of us is unreasonable for being PO’d over it. But, we are not the average fan.

  86. melonnhead says: Jul 25, 2011 8:34 PM

    With all the Netflix hand wringing going on has anyone noticed that DirectTV has added the Sunday Snap to the NFL Sunday Ticket package and now charges nearly $400 for the season?

    —————————————————————–

    So call 1-800-DIRECTV, say “CANCEL” at the prompt which will get you to their retention people. Their retention people are satellite gods and can pretty much give you virtually anything they want.

    Tell the friendly CSR that you’re calling to get the free SundayTicket offer you’ve been seeing on TV and when the CSR says that’s only for new customers, whine NICELY that “that doesnt seem very fair, I love DTV and have been a customer for x years, never wanted to go the cash for SundayTicket because it’s so expensive and I’m already paying $xxx a month but always wanted to check it out to see if it’s worth it”. BE NICE. If you get a negative notation on your account saying that you’re a dickhole lotsa luck ever getting anything out of them. If you’re a long-time customer in good standing it’s virtually guaranteed that you’ll get a discount. If you’re a long-time customer in good standing and you subscribe to almost everything DTV offers, you might even get it for free.

    If the first CSR doesn’t help you, try again. And again if you have to. The closer it gets to the beginning of the season the more generous they get because getting $xxx out of your pocket is better than getting $0 out of your pocket, plus DTV loves to whack Dish and cable companies over the head with it’s high ST subscription numbers.

  87. denverdude7 says: Jul 25, 2011 9:22 PM

    melonnhead says:
    So call 1-800-DIRECTV, say “CANCEL” at the prompt which will get you to their retention people. Their retention people are satellite gods and can pretty much give you virtually anything they want.

    Tell the friendly CSR that you’re calling to get the free SundayTicket offer you’ve been seeing on TV and when the CSR says that’s only for new customers, whine NICELY that “that doesnt seem very fair, I love DTV and have been a customer for x years, never wanted to go the cash for SundayTicket because it’s so expensive and I’m already paying $xxx a month but always wanted to check it out to see if it’s worth it”. BE NICE. If you get a negative notation on your account saying that you’re a dickhole lotsa luck ever getting anything out of them. If you’re a long-time customer in good standing it’s virtually guaranteed that you’ll get a discount. If you’re a long-time customer in good standing and you subscribe to almost everything DTV offers, you might even get it for free.

    ———————————————————-

    Been there and done that. No dice. Simple fact is that DirectTV and the NFL have found another way to pry a few more Jackson’s out of our wallets.

    They should be offering packages for your favorite team alone or, for that matter, a single game. But no, they add more to cost to something was already overpriced.

    By the way, my agreement runs out this December. Bye-Bye DirectTV.

  88. qb19 says: Jul 25, 2011 11:19 PM

    And I am still having to pay full price for those damn pre season games as part of my season ticket package.

    Thank you very much may I have another.

  89. melonnhead says: Jul 25, 2011 11:59 PM

    I’m sure DirecTV would love to offer ala carte games but I would guess that the NFL doesn’t let them.

  90. mrznyc says: Jul 26, 2011 8:40 AM

    If you paid no attention at all to this media generated frenzy and simply turned on your television set to the first game of the season, exactly what would you have missed?

  91. billybats says: Jul 26, 2011 9:38 AM

    This is hysterical. Goodell is labeled as a “loser”, even though he brought labor peace to the league for 10 years abd cleaned up Tagliabue’s mess. Goodell was the public face of the owners at a time when he was subjected to intense scrutiny and criticism, while handling all with grace and class.

    By contrast, DeMaurice Smith is not listed as a loser, even though his litigation strategy culminated in the players having a gun pointed at their heads via the Eighth Circuit.

    I’m thinking you need to add this website’s reputation for impartial football reporting to the list of “losers.”

  92. gimmeabruschi says: Jul 27, 2011 10:04 PM

    Manning is teflon. If sticking his butt hole in a female trainer’s face didn’t stick, playing the greed card on the lawsuit won’t either.

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