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Mike Brown: We’re not going to “reward” Carson Palmer with trade

Carson Palmer, Jonathan Vilma AP

Bengals owner Mike Brown said Tuesday what everyone expected Mike Brown to say.

“I’m not expecting [Carson Palmer] to be back. Carson signed a contract, he made a commitment. He gave us his word. We relied on his word and his commitment. We expected him to perform here. If he is going to walk away from his commitment we aren’t going to reward him for doing it,” Brown said via the Cincinnati Enquirer when asked about a possible trade.

Ouch.  We don’t expect Brown to change his mindset until 2012, when he could trade Palmer for the same 2012 picks that other teams might offer right now.

We still think Palmer should just show up to force the issue.

Yes, the Bengals could actually make him play football and make eight figures in 2011, but that has to be better than missing a season during what should be Palmer’s prime.

The Bengals are prepared to block a Palmer power play for now, but things could get tricky in 2012.  Showing up could force the issue.

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156 Responses to “Mike Brown: We’re not going to “reward” Carson Palmer with trade”
  1. broncobeta says: Jul 26, 2011 12:39 PM

    What about all of the players that get cut to meet the cap before their contracts are up?

    Are they being rewarded?

  2. trbowman says: Jul 26, 2011 12:40 PM

    BREAKING NEWS:

    Mike Brown is awful.

  3. benfaith says: Jul 26, 2011 12:40 PM

    he should go to seattle

    a lot of usc blood up north

  4. berniemadoffsides says: Jul 26, 2011 12:40 PM

    Be more stubborn, Mike Brown.

  5. bobbyyyd says: Jul 26, 2011 12:40 PM

    andy dalton?

  6. jm11890 says: Jul 26, 2011 12:41 PM

    he just announced his retirement on wikipedia. a sad ending

  7. madtolive5 says: Jul 26, 2011 12:41 PM

    Mike Brown is the worst.

  8. phillychzstk2012 says: Jul 26, 2011 12:41 PM

    If Mike Brown thinks Carson is being an a-hole for not wanting to play for him he’s out of his mind. Who in their right mind would want to play for Cincy

  9. billsfan27 says: Jul 26, 2011 12:41 PM

    Palmer broke a commitment, sure, and – in a way – maybe he is screwing the Bengals. But there are options put in place to get through it like trades, etc. Trading him for draft picks or maybe more only seems like the most productive way to go. This is more about the owner’s pride being stepped on.

    Swallow your pride before your pride swallows you, Mike Brown.

  10. thephantomstranger says: Jul 26, 2011 12:42 PM

    It’s too bad this got so ugly, but I don’t think players should be able to force trades. If you don’t want to play, don’t play.

  11. a55hol says: Jul 26, 2011 12:42 PM

    You know, I applaud Mike Brown for this move, and totally agree. I know Brown gets a lot of grief for not keeping players around, as he probably should, but I’m tired of owners caving in to demands of players…and to be honest, Palmer was never that good anyway. It’s in the best interest of the Bengals to go on without Palmer and NOT reward him for being a holdout. Good job Brown.

    Just for the record, I dont even follow the Bungles, i’m a Cowboys fan.

  12. royd85 says: Jul 26, 2011 12:43 PM

    At least he acknowledges that leaving the bengals is a reward.

  13. touchdownroddywhite says: Jul 26, 2011 12:43 PM

    While Palmer is in his prime, Michael Vick has shown that a year(or two) off is not always a bad thing. Especially when it comes to a guy like Palmer who has had a fair share of injury problems.

  14. dldove77 says: Jul 26, 2011 12:43 PM

    Boy, does that headline say it all. Anyone getting out of Cincinnati is definitely getting rewarded.

  15. steel6times says: Jul 26, 2011 12:44 PM

    Trash team deserves nothing better. 4-12

  16. sprest83 says: Jul 26, 2011 12:44 PM

    Who cares!!!! On other news, Cowboys are set to cut Leonard Davis.

  17. firejimcadwell says: Jul 26, 2011 12:44 PM

    Someone tell Mike Brown, that he would have rewarded his team, his #1 priority with an extra draft pick or two if he would have traded him before the draft.

    Hope Palmer shows up and forces their hand.

  18. connorchew says: Jul 26, 2011 12:44 PM

    this is just old. the guy has no interest in playing for you. not because he wants to be somewhere else.. but because he doesnt want to be THERE. I think he’d play for anyone at this point. he has to be the most hard headed owner.and this is coming from an eagles fan.

  19. kingjoe1 says: Jul 26, 2011 12:44 PM

    I guess no one really wants to play for the Bengals. What a mess that place is.

    If I were Palmer, I’d show up and simply go through the motions, until they cut you.

  20. jmikeh73 says: Jul 26, 2011 12:44 PM

    I mean I really, really hate Mike Brown.

  21. eaglescouch says: Jul 26, 2011 12:45 PM

    The Bengals more worried about money and ego then winning? That’ umpossible!

  22. bdawk20 says: Jul 26, 2011 12:45 PM

    The organization as a whole has declined, but he is not going to prove his value to any other team sitting at home and complaining. Teams are valuing Kevin Kolb over Carson Palmer right now which should tell Carson everything he needs to know about his current value.

  23. beltmerica says: Jul 26, 2011 12:45 PM

    Just cut him… Carson Palmer isn’t a good QB

  24. rgwhodey says: Jul 26, 2011 12:46 PM

    Stick it to him Mikey! i couldn’t agree more, He signed the contract he needs to live up to it..

    Drop the Hammer Mr. Brown!

    Plus, Bengals could really use Carson right about now..

    Jus Sayin’

  25. pnut87 says: Jul 26, 2011 12:46 PM

    I feel bad for Palmer. I really do. Put aside how good a player and how good a person he is. Saying that getting rid of a player who didn’t live up to their contract just makes Brown look like a grade A idiot. EVERY other team in the league would normally trade or cut a guy who wasn’t performing the way they were supposed to.

  26. dcbassguy says: Jul 26, 2011 12:46 PM

    Why not move him and get something in return? I understand being stubborn, but there is no reason to “bite off your nose to spite your face”

    I’m also not sure why Palmer wouldn’t just report to camp. He has $11.5 million reasons to be there. It has to be hard to be part of such a poorly run organization, but sitting out will do more harm than good.

  27. bradwins says: Jul 26, 2011 12:46 PM

    Good. What has Palmer won in the NFL, anyway?

    /Not biased

    //Not a Bengals fan

  28. brettfavrecellphone says: Jul 26, 2011 12:47 PM

    “Does Cincinnati still even have a team?”

    “Yes, we even got uniforms and everything!”

  29. southcakpanther says: Jul 26, 2011 12:47 PM

    I guess Palmer shouldn’t have signed such a long deal with the Bengals. What a bad situation.

  30. tntitansfan10 says: Jul 26, 2011 12:47 PM

    This isn’t As ugly as mike browns daughter

  31. curtsosexy says: Jul 26, 2011 12:47 PM

    Brown operates his organization like a Mom & Pop shop. Cincy deserves better than this stubborn ass. Sell the team you fool!!

  32. maverick5266 says: Jul 26, 2011 12:48 PM

    Mike Brown is a prideful fool. With the market the way it is now he could get a windfall in terms of draft picks. Oh wait, you would need a GM that understands football to have the NFL draft pay dividends for your team. Nevermind Mike just keep letting your franchise swirl down the toiletbowl, while you collect a fat check.

  33. dumbaseinstien says: Jul 26, 2011 12:48 PM

    I love it! The Bungals are off to thier traditional start…players in trouble & not interested in the team! Have a fun football year Orange & Black fans…it’s going to be a long one!!

  34. semperfi24 says: Jul 26, 2011 12:49 PM

    So Mike Brown is saying, my Bengals are so terrible, that playing on the Bengals is a punishment… LMFAO, given the choice to retire, or play for the Bengals, Palmer chooses retirement, OUCH! I feel for the fans of Cinci…

  35. glen1904 says: Jul 26, 2011 12:49 PM

    THATS WHY THEY ARE THE BENGALS!!! Instead of getting what you can and help your team out puff your chest out and make sure you suck for years to come. the NFL needs to get rid of a half dozen owners and bring in new ones that want to win.

  36. daburgher says: Jul 26, 2011 12:49 PM

    “SIGH…..” – Andy Dalton after being picked by the Bungals.

  37. smirk11 says: Jul 26, 2011 12:49 PM

    I guess the Bengals have never cut anyone before their contract was up.

    Oh wait…they have?

    Huh. I guess Mike Brown is an idiot. If a team can cut a guy, a player can hold out. Carson has made his decision. Brown SHOULD swallow his pride and trade him, and HELP his team get something for him. But of course, it is the Bengals, so he won’t, and they will still suck.

  38. thingamajig says: Jul 26, 2011 12:49 PM

    Brown is 100% correct. Trade Palmer and a bunch of players on other teams will be doing exactly as Palmer. I’ll bet 31 other owners are backing Brown with this statement.

  39. dgreenfi says: Jul 26, 2011 12:50 PM

    He dealt with both TO and Ochocinco. Surely, that counts as community service and he could warrant making a request for a shortened sentence with the Bengals.

  40. mightymightylafootball says: Jul 26, 2011 12:50 PM

    When two stuborn men butt heads, the ‘winner’ is the one with leverage – because neither one can bully/threaten the other.

    Palmer gets a new team or sweet retirement. Brown gets zilch. Book it.

  41. masamune952 says: Jul 26, 2011 12:50 PM

    you would be rewarding yourself mike brown…instead of having an unhappy player play for you…maybe trade him and get some value?..or is that too easy?

  42. vmannj says: Jul 26, 2011 12:50 PM

    Apparently, Mike Brown is going to reward Bengals fans with a winning season anytime soon.

  43. andyreidisfat says: Jul 26, 2011 12:50 PM

    Mike Brown must really love the process of drafting in the top ten. It must be so exciting for him and his team.

  44. shian11 says: Jul 26, 2011 12:52 PM

    Mike brown, dis Jerry jones reward you with revenue sharing even though you won’t sell naming rights to stadium?
    Did the city of cincinatti reward you when they paid for 70% of the stadium that you won’t sell naming rights to?
    Did Roger goddell reward you for not fining or taking draft picks from the bengals for all the poor off field conduct
    Did the steelers fans reward you for filling up your stadium at least once a year?

    Why don’t you reward your fans with a copentant football team. Off course if you did that, you wouldn’t be the bengals

  45. enrgy2burn says: Jul 26, 2011 12:52 PM

    Dear Mike Brown,

    Carson has given your team everything and has brought legitimacy back to Cincy. You have not held up your end of the deal by surrounding him with a championship caliber team and now your team is rebuilding, WITH OR WITHOUT Carson. By trading him you would expediting your rebuilding process and will be rewarding your team and your fans… Instead, you choose to continue to punish your fans. You sir are a dope! Why not do what’s best for your team rather than be petty by taking your ball and going home?

  46. gfan8611 says: Jul 26, 2011 12:53 PM

    Gotta love a business man doing something out of spite. As some else posted NFL teams cut players so they don’t have to pay off on back loaded contracts every single season. I guess this commitment thing is a one way street.

  47. ravenspit says: Jul 26, 2011 12:53 PM

    I think Mike Brown is an idiot and an embarassment to his old man’s legacy-but I admire his consistency on this issue. Carson, if being a Bengal sucks so bad-maybe you should not have signed a long term contract the last time.

  48. capslockkey says: Jul 26, 2011 12:54 PM

    But of course he’ll “reward” guys like Cedric Benson who can’t seem to stay out of the police blotter.

  49. dallasux says: Jul 26, 2011 12:54 PM

    How does this help the Bengals at all?

  50. pdxpanther says: Jul 26, 2011 12:54 PM

    Yes, Carson made a commitment to the Bengals, but I ask what commitment did they make to him?. I’m sure he only re-signed with an understanding that they would do everything they could to be competitive. But going out and signing names like Tank Johnson, and Pacman Jones, who come cheap because they are more known for their court appearances than their field play doesn’t show you are doing what it takes to be a winner year in and year out.

    I don’t blame Carson, and other players have forced a trade for a lot less than this.

  51. freedomispopular says: Jul 26, 2011 12:55 PM

    I agree that by signing a contract Carson Palmer made a commitment. But he also did so relying on your commitment to winning, which you haven’t held up to. It goes both ways.

  52. nard100 says: Jul 26, 2011 12:55 PM

    a55hol says:
    Jul 26, 2011 12:42 PM
    You know, I applaud Mike Brown for this move, and totally agree. I know Brown gets a lot of grief for not keeping players around, as he probably should, but I’m tired of owners caving in to demands of players…and to be honest, Palmer was never that good anyway. It’s in the best interest of the Bengals to go on without Palmer and NOT reward him for being a holdout. Good job Brown.

    Just for the record, I dont even follow the Bungles, i’m a Cowboys fan.
    ————————————————-

    In principle I agree, but let’s be honest, Mike Brown is no position to be calling out a player’s integrity. Many of his teams rosters have read like the morning roll at Leavenworth and Palmer has had to put up with all of it. I’m sure he wonders what his career could have been if he had been drafted by a real organization.

    Oh and by the way Mike Brown, what has your “committment” been? Sucktacular draft pics that you keep, leading the league in convicts, giving away good players that end up winning the superbowl. You might want to get down off that soapbox before it crumbles right under you.

  53. hedden93 says: Jul 26, 2011 12:56 PM

    Or you could trade him and get a reward yourself . . . or you could keep being an idiot.

  54. jmikeh73 says: Jul 26, 2011 12:56 PM

    please go play on the highway, Mike

  55. captainobvious1 says: Jul 26, 2011 12:57 PM

    Brown is just biting off his nose to spite his face. I truly feel bad for Bengals fans who have to live with this idiot.

  56. richkotitte says: Jul 26, 2011 12:57 PM

    If Mike Brown wanted to get REALLY nasty, he could trade Palmer to Buffalo.

  57. bengalsfan52311 says: Jul 26, 2011 12:57 PM

    Bravo!

    As a Bengals fan it’s hard to feel anything positive toward Mike Brown, but he’s 100% right on this.

    Carson Palmer is a quitter – and he’s the #1 reason we sucked last year. does everyone forget how awful he was?? Mentally, he just doesn’t have it. He’s not a leader. We’ll be better without him.

  58. natigator says: Jul 26, 2011 12:57 PM

    What about you Mike Brown? What happened to your promise/commitment to bringing Cincinnati a winning football team?

    Rather than trade him for whatever you can get to try and improve the team, dig your heels to prove a point so players cant demand trades off of your wretched franchise. Also show any prospective free agents how backwater both you and this franchise are, and make clear to them that signing here has to be considered an absolute last resort when signing anywhere else fails. But good luck proving your point Mikey

    You worthless POS, I really hope you go 0-16 this year in front of 30,000 fans per game

  59. pskotte says: Jul 26, 2011 12:58 PM

    I hate Mike Brown for doing everything possible to alienate this town of naive fans, so you have no idea how hard it is to agree with his position here. Bengals stuck by Palmer when he was injured many times and when he had several substandard years. Three years ago Palmer signed a very lucrative contract extension for which he underachieved and was overpaid – with full support and without the slightest criticism I might add. Now is when he should just man up and shut up. His true character has been revealed and sadly does not meet expectations, just like his play on the field.

  60. jefbob says: Jul 26, 2011 12:58 PM

    Hey Mike, what about your commitment to put a winning team on the field if we build you a stadium? You are the last person who should be preaching about commitments here!

  61. scoops1 says: Jul 26, 2011 1:00 PM

    Palmer jsut got hired as the sports guy for WKRP

  62. wordpressnamesstink says: Jul 26, 2011 1:00 PM

    Palmer signed a $118 million EXTENSION in 2005. Do you remember that Carson? Remember the $15 million signing bonus? Have the Bengals or has Mike Brown really changed that much since then? Carson knew what he was getting into when he signed that contract. No one forced him to sign the extension

    Carson was probably thinking that if the Bengals actually became competitive he would play out the contract (and maybe tries to rework it again) and if not he figured he could just force a trade. Either way he gets paid. Mike Brown may be a lousy owner but at least he is shutting down Carson’s “heads I win/tails you lose” strategy.

  63. greenbaypeckers says: Jul 26, 2011 1:01 PM

    Whatever Carson does, he better not get arrested or he’ll be signed to a contract extension. All kidding aside, on paper, I side with the owner, too many of these guys playing a couple years of a contract and then asking for more money or when things aren’t working out, asked to get traded but that being said, if you can get value for a guy that will help your team, you should, reminds me of Vjax last year.

  64. derekjetersmansion says: Jul 26, 2011 1:02 PM

    The reason Mike Brown won’t trade him is because he won’t get nearly as much as Carson Palmer thinks he can get.

    Was Carson ever a top 10 QB?

  65. purplepeter says: Jul 26, 2011 1:02 PM

    this is one of the few times I would enjoy watching a player show up just to sabotage (??) a team.

  66. southbeachtalent says: Jul 26, 2011 1:04 PM

    Wow that will not end well. Reminds me of last years Redskins team.

  67. gregjennings85 says: Jul 26, 2011 1:04 PM

    If I were a Bengals fan, I would be pissed enough to not re-new my season tickets.

    Basically, Brown is saying:

    “Despite drafting his replacement, and possibly trading Carson Palmer for much-needed value that could improve the product I am selling you/entertaining you with/asking you to pay for, I have chosen to stubbornly attempt to win a game of chicken with an employee, much to the detriment of the Bengals orginization and in turn, the entire city of Cincinnati.

    Regards,

    -Paul Brown

    P.S. Enjoy the season, my minions. And, welcome to hell, Andy Dalton.”

  68. blackqbwhiterb says: Jul 26, 2011 1:05 PM

    Brown stinks, he makes a certain amount of profit from his crappy franchise, and that’s enough for him. He really isn’t committed to winning, and that’s why he doesn’t. Ditto Ralph Wilson and a few others. unfortunately, my guy in Washington throws money around like an idiot because he wants to win, he just has no foggy idea who he ought to be going after………..

  69. blacktoothgrinn says: Jul 26, 2011 1:05 PM

    If he retires he is basicallly a free agane next year, right? If so, he should just retire and take the year off. Every year teams need a QB. Yeah Brown is being the “tough boss” but he’s just shooting himself in the foot, they are losing their QB and getting nothing in return, brilliant

  70. mac3333 says: Jul 26, 2011 1:05 PM

    “Ouch. We don’t expect Brown to change his mindset until 2012, when he could trade Palmer for the same 2012 picks that other teams might offer right now.”

    Exactly.

    Why trade a guy to Seattle or Arizona today when

    1) They’re on your schedule this year

    2) Someone will pay the SAME price in April 2012 for Palmer that they will now.

    The ONLY reason to trade Palmer today is if you were to get another active player who can help in 2011. To do otherwise would be foolish. But if you were to take the comments from the readers here as the gospel you would think that Brown was a blithering idiot for his stance. But when you take emotion out of the decision and you analyze the scenario based on its merits you realize that Brown is playing this one perfectly. (For the time being)

  71. ezdoesit209 says: Jul 26, 2011 1:05 PM

    They need to start paying players and coaching monthly salaries because NO ONE in the NFL actually honors these contracts (owners or players).

  72. gregjennings85 says: Jul 26, 2011 1:05 PM

    If I’m Carson Palmer, I am waiting until the Bengals are just under the cap, about to start the season, and then I am un-retiring, and forcing their hand.

  73. solidmarine says: Jul 26, 2011 1:06 PM

    Is Mike Brown the dumbest man on the planet? How many players has he released who had contracts that he signed before those contracts were up? What a joke of an owner and a human. Glad I’m a Pats fan.

  74. johnnyjagfan says: Jul 26, 2011 1:06 PM

    Um, can anyone say John Elway? Eli Manning? Didn’t play a down for an NFL team and managed to arrange a trade. Carson’s played for years and wants the same and now we got a bunch of pro-owner (and a sorry owner at that) goofballs bashing Carson for wanting off of the Worst Franchise in sports…

    BEAM ME UP!

  75. shea801 says: Jul 26, 2011 1:06 PM

    Makes me happy to be a Raiders fan.

    Let thad sink in Bengals’ fans.

  76. straw33 says: Jul 26, 2011 1:07 PM

    A serious question, if Carson doesn’t officially file his Retirement Papers with the NFL, even though he’s not being paid, does his salary count against the Salary Cap? This could also be Mike Brown saving a ton of money, correct? I am making the assumption that the Bengals will be near the minimum for the Salary cap, and so if he trades Carson, he has to pay someone else that money to get back up to the minimum number?

    Just curious, in this type of a situation, will Carson count against the Cap?

  77. lenmad3 says: Jul 26, 2011 1:08 PM

    “Carson Palmer is a quitter – and he’s the #1 reason we sucked last year.”

    Um, no, Mike Brown is the #1 reason you sucked last year and many years before that!!

    The amount of talent Mike B. can get for him and refuses??!! What a freakin’ idiot!!

  78. tonykool says: Jul 26, 2011 1:10 PM

    Really? Commitment, contract, and gave his word? Wasn’t is the owners that went back on their word, contract and commitment, when they locked out the players when they still had one more year on the cba?

  79. sterilizecromartie says: Jul 26, 2011 1:10 PM

    Why is everyone bashing Mike Brown here? I love this move. Who the heck is Carson Palmer anyway? He has done nothing with a once promising career. This organization believed in him, took him #1 overall, paid him TONS of money, stuck with him during his injury plagued times and his underperforming times, signed free agent after free agent (Benson, Owens, Bryant) to help him out, took a stud TE last year with their first pick to help him out, took a stud WR this year with their first pick to help him out, etc., etc.

    What else does Carson want from this organization? They have done everything an organization can do to help and please their franchise QB. Does he want to leave because they are a losing franchise? Well, it starts with the QB. He needs to do something about it instead of running away like a little baby.

  80. bensstinkyfingers says: Jul 26, 2011 1:11 PM

    As long as this Tool Mike Brown is pulling the strings the Bengals will go nowhere! Why would he not try to get some draft picks or pick up a starter to help your team. To make a point?, Face it the guy doesn’t want to play for you, why would you want him back? I feel sorry for Bengals fans, and that’s coming from a Browns fan. Bengals fans need to protest get that guy outta there!

  81. nineroutsider says: Jul 26, 2011 1:11 PM

    Mike Brown: We’re not going to “reward” our fans by winning…

  82. scoboscobs says: Jul 26, 2011 1:12 PM

    I know a lot of people won’t agree with me, but I’m not taking Palmer’s side on this one. As we’ve been repeatedly told, this is a business. You can’t just sign a contract with a team and decide one day that you don’t want to fulfill it. Maybe instead of blaming the organization for his troubles, he should look at himself for how terrible he’s performed, especially for someone drafted where he was.

    If the Bengals give in to his demands, it sets a precedent. The organization would be telling every player on that team that, if they would rather play for another team, just throw a fit and they’ll make it happen.

  83. pmars64 says: Jul 26, 2011 1:12 PM

    Mike Brown shames his father’s legacy. As a Browns fan, I never worry about the Bengals. All the Browns have had to do to surpass this franchise is to put together a professional, competent front office, which, I think they’ve done. Just in the first year of Holmgren’s leadership, they finished ahead of this sorry franchise. It’s one of the graveyards of pro football.

  84. jmcgoblue says: Jul 26, 2011 1:13 PM

    This is the same guy who wouldn’t take two first round picks for Ocho. He’s an idiot. Sorry Bengals fans.

  85. FinFan68 says: Jul 26, 2011 1:14 PM

    This is not really a holdout. Palmer requested a trade not more money. He was professional about it but Brown is stubborn/stingy. Brown has the opportunity to make his team better but he refuses out of spite. I’m not for owners caving to a player’s demands but in this case, the team loses him to his couch for nothing when they could lose him to a different team for a future pick or two (or even cash). Not smart business unless he believe that Palmer will eventually cave and actually play as a leader of the team (fat chance)

  86. gregjennings85 says: Jul 26, 2011 1:15 PM

    From CP’s wikipedia page, under achievements:

    “Bengals 1st draft choice, 2003.

    Preceded by Levi Jones in 2002.

    Succeeded by Chris Perry in 2004.”

    ___________________________

    That says it all.

  87. cdwains says: Jul 26, 2011 1:16 PM

    Like Mike Brown has never followed through with a commitment, see Laverneus Coles and Antonio Bryant, both guys were signed to multi year contracts and then cut, so that is a BS argument. Wake up Mike Brown! By not trading Palmer Brown is only hurting himself, his team, and most importantly his fanbase! That said I would hold onto Palmer until right before the 2012 draft and trade him.

  88. zeckwreck says: Jul 26, 2011 1:16 PM

    This is a business. Would you rather get something in return for a player that you’ll no longer have access to, or pout and get nothing in return because of your pride?

    This man is the reason the Bengals have been in the cellar for so long. Not Ochocinco, not Palmer, but Brown.

    I’m a Seahawks fan, and while it’s frustrating to me that we can’t bring him on board, I’m also annoyed at bad business in the NFL. Brown is the Albert Haynesworth of NFL owners.

  89. flutieflakes says: Jul 26, 2011 1:19 PM

    richkotitte says:
    Jul 26, 2011 12:57 PM
    If Mike Brown wanted to get REALLY nasty, he could trade Palmer to Buffalo.

    Nah we like Palmer;s old backup much better thank you lol.

  90. polishkingski says: Jul 26, 2011 1:22 PM

    if a guy does not want to show up for 11 million dollars….11 MILLION DOLLARS!, then there are some serious issues with that organization.

  91. anactualnflowner says: Jul 26, 2011 1:25 PM

    Owners whining about players not being loyal, what a crock. The contracts are one sided! The owners can and will cut the players anytime they feel like. And he’s not loyal because he doesn’t want to play for your crappy organization? What a moron…

  92. ctiggs says: Jul 26, 2011 1:26 PM

    mike brown sr is tired of turning over in his grave

  93. feariguodala says: Jul 26, 2011 1:26 PM

    Couldn’t he just retire and then once Cincinnati couldn’t afford him on the cap come back and force them to make a move?

  94. nodecafplz1 says: Jul 26, 2011 1:31 PM

    Your father would thump you Mike. You’re one of the top 5 black eye’d owners and on pace for #1.

  95. njdolphin says: Jul 26, 2011 1:33 PM

    So let me get this straight…Mike Brown thinks it’s a reward to be traded from his team? lol…

  96. stanklepoot says: Jul 26, 2011 1:36 PM

    Gregg, Palmer showing up would not hurt the Bengals at all. They’re so far under the cap, it would actually help them make it to the cap floor. As for Palmer not playing this year, it’s not really a money issue for him. He’s made a fortune already, and he comes from a wealthy family on top of that. Palmer isn’t one of those players that spent his money frivolously. If he never played another game, he’ll be set for life financially.

    Mike Brown, however, shows yet again what a blessing it is to inherit an NFL team. Brown makes some of the dumbest decisions in pro football and still makes a nice bit of money. In any other industry, a CEO this bad would have forced his company into bankruptcy right now. Not only is Brown giving up the real value he could get for Palmer now, he’s demonstrating to every player in the league on a very public stage just how willing he is to mess with a player’s career. If I were a Bengals FA who had other teams interested in me, I don’t think I could sign with a new team fast enough. If I were a FA for another team and I had other option, no way would I sign with the Bengals. Who in their right mind would willingly put their career in the hands of Mike Brown?

  97. twindaddy says: Jul 26, 2011 1:36 PM

    pdxpanther says: Jul 26, 2011 12:54 PM

    Yes, Carson made a commitment to the Bengals, but I ask what commitment did they make to him?
    _______________________________________

    To pay him millions and millions of dollars maybe? Duh.

  98. jaseguy30 says: Jul 26, 2011 1:37 PM

    If I was a Bengals fan, I would be outraged. Hope you have fun with your two wins this year at Rams and Cardinals. And that is being kind.

  99. ezwriter69 says: Jul 26, 2011 1:38 PM

    My Mom used to call this attitude cutting off your nose to spite your face…

  100. humb0lt says: Jul 26, 2011 1:39 PM

    Carson Palmer is a better option than Kyle Orton and IMO better than Kevin Kolb and there is going to be a bidding war for these two. Mike Brown has a good opportunity to grab some good draft picks and/or players that can help the Bengals.

    But he would rather be the Bungles and just waste the opportunity.

  101. amusingponderings says: Jul 26, 2011 1:40 PM

    The 20 year rein of terror continues….

    Reminds me of morons that run nearly every other business these days… why keep the employee happy.. they can’t find employment anywhere else so who cares if they’re unhappy.. oh? you mean they might be more productive if we kept them happy? Not doing that.. I might have to spend some $$$$

    Sorry.. my politics probably got a little involved here.. still applies.

  102. davoider says: Jul 26, 2011 1:40 PM

    Anyone else notice Mike Brown never actually used the word “trade” and that it was added by the author? Maybe they are in trade talks with the Raiders.

  103. ravenspit says: Jul 26, 2011 1:41 PM

    Look, I really do think Brown stinks, BUT it cracks me up when Redskin and Raider fans call him and the Bengals out. The Bengals have been to more playoffs games than they have in the lasy 5 years. So STFU

  104. stanklepoot says: Jul 26, 2011 1:42 PM

    thephantomstranger says: Jul 26, 2011 12:42 PM

    It’s too bad this got so ugly, but I don’t think players should be able to force trades. If you don’t want to play, don’t play.
    ________________________
    I could accept your argument a whole lot more if players had any real option about who they played for coming out of college or if there were no franchise/transition tags or RFA. Most players have little, if any, say in where they play. That being the case, I have no problem with a player who feels he has some leverage trying to take some control over his own career.

  105. thetooloftools says: Jul 26, 2011 1:42 PM

    Does Cincinnati still even have a team ?

  106. twindaddy says: Jul 26, 2011 1:48 PM

    Like Mike Brown has never followed through with a commitment, see Laverneus Coles and Antonio Bryant, both guys were signed to multi year contracts and then cut, so that is a BS argument.
    ——————————————————–

    Yeah, they got cut, but they still got paid. Brown didn’t get out of his financial obligations to pay them by cutting them. Quit being dumb.

  107. awelter23 says: Jul 26, 2011 1:51 PM

    Wikipedia has him billed as a Minnesota Viking

  108. sterilizecromartie says: Jul 26, 2011 1:53 PM

    stanklepoot says:
    Jul 26, 2011 1:36 PM

    Palmer isn’t one of those players that spent his money frivolously. If he never played another game, he’ll be set for life financially.

    —————

    And do you know why he is set for life financially?

    Because Mike Brown paid him millions and millions of dollars to be the starting QB for the Bengals. So basically Carson is sticking it to the guy who made him richer beyond his wildest dreams. I hope he never plays in the NFL again.

  109. wuznotsobad says: Jul 26, 2011 1:54 PM

    Good for Mike Brown. It’s nice to see someone simply deal plainly in this day and age. Someone signed a contract to play for him and he expects that person to live up to that contract – what on earth is wrong with that? Palmer’s just another whiny ignorant entitled pro athlete who’s word and honor apparently mean about as much as the dogcrap on his shoe. Hey Carson, don’t like that original deal you signed? THEN YOU SHOULDN’T HAVE SIGNED IT! Think the market has outgrown those original terms? Then maybe you should have signed a shorter term contract! He’s proving that he’s just another athlete with no integrity or class whatsoever. Let Palmer do a little research on Kirby Puckett, maybe he’ll learn how to conduct himself like a man.

    And no, I’m not a Bengals house shill (in fact, I don’t even like them and hope Palmer does play for them, because he’s a washed-up has-been and will help keep the team from winning the AFC North). Maybe Cincy is a doghouse franchise – they certainly have enough criminals on the roster, apparently don’t spend enough on practice facilities, etc. But if you sign your name to a contract, you are not only legally bound to honor it, you should feel morally obligated to do so as well. I don’t see why Mike Brown is taking so much heat for merely being a man of his word (he signed the same contract to pay Palmer x amount of dollars for x amount of years) and expecting the same from Palmer. I would guess Brown’s dad would nod approvingly if he saw how he’s handling this.

  110. wannabeqb says: Jul 26, 2011 1:54 PM

    If Brown wants Palmer to honour his commitment maybe he should start signing players for their ability to help the team win, rather than their low price tag.

  111. davoider says: Jul 26, 2011 1:55 PM

    Techinically, Mike Brown never said he wouldn’t trade him, all he said was he wouldn’t “reward” him. Maybe what he meant was they are having trade discussions with the Raiders.

  112. awelter23 says: Jul 26, 2011 1:55 PM

    They fixed it already.

  113. hendeeze says: Jul 26, 2011 1:56 PM

    Guys, we have another Al Davis-esqe owner in training. Good lucky Cincy!

  114. liquid4012 says: Jul 26, 2011 1:56 PM

    The headline for this entry is very misleading and inaccurate.

  115. contraryguy says: Jul 26, 2011 1:58 PM

    Montgomery Burns has spoken! “Smithers, lock the gates!”

  116. buffalohogan says: Jul 26, 2011 1:58 PM

    For those of you that don’t know Mike Brown is not a succesfull businessman who built his wealth into a position to purchase a professional franchise.

    If you didnt know that it should be obvious by how he runs the team and treats his players.

    This guy is a spoiled rich kid who was handed a football team by his daddy.

    A business professional would never take a stance like this. He would observe the situation, try to amend it and then adapt. Adpating in this case would be getting as much for Carson as he could.

    Again Mike Brown is no business genius. He just happened to be pulled from the right vagina in 1937.

  117. theytukrjobs says: Jul 26, 2011 2:00 PM

    The Bengals won’t be competitive during the remainder of Palmer’s contract. It is in the team’s best interest to trade him.

    Sometimes you have to just bite the bullet and realize that giving some jerk what they want might still be in your own best interest, even if you don’t like the guy or how they go about their business.

    I think they call that “being a grown up” or something to that effect.

  118. buffalohogan says: Jul 26, 2011 2:00 PM

    For those of you that don’t know Mike Brown is not a succesfull businessman who built his wealth into a position to purchase a professional franchise.

    If you didnt know that it should be obvious by how he runs the team and treats his players.

    This guy is a spoiled rich kid who was handed a football team by his daddy.

    A business professional would never take a stance like this. He would observe the situation, try to amend it and then adapt. Adpating in this case would be getting as much for Carson as he could.

    Again Mike Brown is no business genius. He just happened to be pulled from the right Mother’s womb in 1937.

  119. 1historian says: Jul 26, 2011 2:05 PM

    Palmer has said from word one that he is financially secure and he doesn’t need football and he’s ready to just walk away.

    Given the fact that he is banged up, pretty much past his prime, considering their O line is a joke, considering that Cincy is a trainwreck and recently was awarded the coveted #122 spot as the worst organization in professional sports, could it just be that he actually means it?

  120. rcali says: Jul 26, 2011 2:09 PM

    He couldn’t sign that nice and wealthly contract extension fast enough a few years ago.

    Isn’t Brown fighting for us fans against the prima donna athlete holding teams hostage with contracts they signed?

  121. geefan1 says: Jul 26, 2011 2:11 PM

    “We still think Palmer should just show up to force the issue.”

    No way! He’d risk injury or risk looking bad in what may the worst offense in the AFCN this year.

    If he sits a year, conditions to stay in shape but rests his body from the banging of an NFL season, he’d be a hot commodity next year. By then even a fool like Mike Brown would realize the draft pick is better than the guy who’s giving you nothing.

  122. benlw2 says: Jul 26, 2011 2:11 PM

    For all of you Poor Carson folks, he made the same agreement we did with our bosses. Accept money for work. The only difference is Carson agreed to take money and work for a specific amount of time. Just like you and I, his boss is free to terminate his contract. Also, just like you and I, Carson is free to basically quit. There are no bad guys in this one. Brown has the right to accept Carson’s resignation. Carson has the right to quit and accept the fact that he signed his (playing) rights over to his previous owner. His only recourse at this point is either recant the trade demand and come in and play or enjoy his time off.

  123. stanklepoot says: Jul 26, 2011 2:13 PM

    straw33 says: Jul 26, 2011 1:07 PM

    A serious question, if Carson doesn’t officially file his Retirement Papers with the NFL, even though he’s not being paid, does his salary count against the Salary Cap? This could also be Mike Brown saving a ton of money, correct? I am making the assumption that the Bengals will be near the minimum for the Salary cap, and so if he trades Carson, he has to pay someone else that money to get back up to the minimum number?

    Just curious, in this type of a situation, will Carson count against the Cap?
    ________________________
    Not if he’s on the retired/reserve list, which he will be. The Bengals are close to $50 million under the cap right now I believe, and could really use Carson’s $11 million cap hit to get up to the floor right now. The one big monkey wrench to the idea of Carson showing up to camp to make power play is that the Bengals don’t need to be at the cap floor at the beginning of the season. Those calculations are done later in the year, meaning they can use up a chunk of that by resigning their own players. then again, how many players do they have that either need to be resigned and/or are worth major money? If I’m Joseph, I’m not resigning with the Bengals (who are officially listed as the worst franchise in the NFL on multiple rankings). There are a number of teams that will be interested in him, and if I were him, I couldn’t sign with one of them fast enough. The funny thing about all of this is that not only are they giving up real value now, this kind of behavior is likely to force them to have to overpay FAs in the future. Players really don’t like to sign with teams that show how willing they are to mess with your career.

  124. melikefootball says: Jul 26, 2011 2:15 PM

    What else is new in Bungal land. Brown puts up with all the crap many a player has given him and he takes it out on the only class player on his team.

  125. realitypolice says: Jul 26, 2011 2:16 PM

    twindaddy says:
    Jul 26, 2011 1:48 PM

    Yeah, they got cut, but they still got paid. Brown didn’t get out of his financial obligations to pay them by cutting them. Quit being dumb.
    =========

    What are you talking about?

    They got paid, but not by the Bengals.

    There is (or was) no such thing as a guaranteed contract in the NFL. The only thing financial hit Brown takes when he cuts a player is a cap hit when the full value of the signing bonus (which is otherwise prorated) is applied to the cap immediately.

    Careful calling other people dumb, dummy.

  126. FinFan68 says: Jul 26, 2011 2:18 PM

    gregjennings85 says:
    Jul 26, 2011 1:05 PM
    If I’m Carson Palmer, I am waiting until the Bengals are just under the cap, about to start the season, and then I am un-retiring, and forcing their hand.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    That sounds great in theory but I doubt it would work. His salary impacts the cap unless he “officially” retires. Once that happens, he can’t “unretire” unless Goodell authorizes it (remember Favre had to do this at least once). I do not think that Goodell would allow a player to come out of retirement to force a club to be over the cap and incur a fine.

    The only way Carson gets his trade is if a team is willing to offer a future pick (or two) and a current player that Brown would want. That would likely require him to restructure his deal to a lower price. Too many things would be required for him to play anywhere other than Cincy this year.

  127. procre8te says: Jul 26, 2011 2:20 PM

    As an ardent redskins fan, all i can say is Thank you Bengals.

    And Raiders too….. Just saying

  128. stanklepoot says: Jul 26, 2011 2:20 PM

    rcali says: Jul 26, 2011 2:09 PM

    He couldn’t sign that nice and wealthly contract extension fast enough a few years ago.

    Isn’t Brown fighting for us fans against the prima donna athlete holding teams hostage with contracts they signed?
    _________________________
    Tell you what. The moment the owners agree to make these contracts fully guaranteed, then I’ll agree with you. Oh, that’s right, that will never happen. Teams don’t hesitate for one second to cut a player as soon as they feel the contract no longer works in the team’s favor…no matter how many years are left on that contract. If teams have the right to cut players who are under contract, then players certainly have the right to withhold their services despite being under contract.

  129. wizahdry says: Jul 26, 2011 2:21 PM

    No you’re not going to reward him. Instead you will punish the team and fans by sitting on a valuable commodity that could be traded. Palmer would fetch at least a 2nd round pick for next year and allow the franchise to move on. Why would you want to keep an association with a player that does not want to be there. He gave you 8-9 years and wants a new start some where else.

    This is why Brown has been known as the worst owner in the NFL for years. He will cut off his nose just to spite his face.

  130. commentcentral says: Jul 26, 2011 2:31 PM

    Let’s see. He got an upfront $15 million dollar bonus for signing his extention through 2014. For him not to honor his contract would kind of be like stealing and I don’t care who he’s playing for. Personally, I think he knows he can’t play anymore because his elbow is shot and he’s just trying to save face.

    If he wants to be a man he should say why he wants out and what entitles him to keep the bonus if he breaks his contract.

  131. biggerballz says: Jul 26, 2011 2:38 PM

    palmer hasn’t been good since the steelers broke his knee, the guy is washed up and brown is saving him the embarassment of getting an offer of a 7th round pick.

  132. stanklepoot says: Jul 26, 2011 2:40 PM

    sterilizecromartie says: Jul 26, 2011 1:53 PM

    stanklepoot says:
    Jul 26, 2011 1:36 PM

    Palmer isn’t one of those players that spent his money frivolously. If he never played another game, he’ll be set for life financially.

    —————

    And do you know why he is set for life financially?

    Because Mike Brown paid him millions and millions of dollars to be the starting QB for the Bengals. So basically Carson is sticking it to the guy who made him richer beyond his wildest dreams. I hope he never plays in the NFL again.
    ____________________________
    and if Mike Brown hadn’t, someone else would have been happy to. Brown didn’t give Palmer that money out of a sense of charity. He hired Palmer to play QB for the Bengals. Palmer gave Brown what he paid for. Palmer doesn’t owe Brown anything more than what he gave him. Oh, and I don’t know about Brown making Palmer richer than his wildest dreams. Your wildest dreams perhaps, but Palmer comes from money.

    Maybe you should worry less about Palmer sticking it to Brown, and more about Brown sticking it to Cincy fans. The fans give Brown a heck of a lot more money than Brown game Palmer, and Brown responds by running the Bengals into the ground. Think about it, the Browns have been listed as the worst franchise in all American pro sports. Not just football, mind you, all pro sports. 122nd out of 122.

  133. hitdog042 says: Jul 26, 2011 2:44 PM

    So, STEEL6TIMES, if Ben R, Tom Brady, or P. Manning all said they are quitting if not traded, those teams should trade them too?

    How about the fact every team knows he wants out, and all the Bengals would even get are crap offers.

    Sorry, Mike Brown is right here.

    And don’t give me the ole, owners have no commitment when they release players… that’s built in to the contract and they STILL GET PAID what is guaranteed. if it’s not guaranteed, then it’s a clean cut. Palmers is guaranteed.

    Not the same thing. Bunch of 14 year old know it alls on here that know squat.

  134. steelcity09 says: Jul 26, 2011 2:45 PM

    bottom line in all of this is Palmers done in Cincy.

    I respect Brown for his stance, but his stubborness is really hurting his team.

    He can trade Palmer and bring back some good players in return or some high draft picks.

    Just stupid.

    Thats why the Bengals “are who we thought they were”

    ps— they are long overdue for a new coach too.

    pss–make Scott the starting RB.

  135. nahcouldntbethat says: Jul 26, 2011 2:52 PM

    This mess is really starting to remind me of the Barry Sanders vs the Lions thing in 1999.

    Nobody won that one as Sanders was forced to retire and the Lions wound up having one of the worst decades in history after that, at least in part because they got no value for Sanders near the end of his career and they didn’t get his last couple of glory years either.

    I think the Bengals are asking for a terrible span of years if they can’t get this resolved in a way that gets them some value in return. They’re playing in the same division as the Steelers and Ravens and they’re not going to catch any breaks over the next few seasons. They need to get something good for Palmer and the only way to do that is to trade him before he retires. One he’s retired the value they can get will plummet and all the leverage will be on his side.

  136. preludetosmack says: Jul 26, 2011 3:06 PM

    Me personally? I’d trade him.

    That said, I have to agree with the minority here… Mike Brown is not going to get anything more today than he will get next March/April for Carson, and anything he gets isn’t going to be usable until next April. He can trade him then for just as much as he can now, and the value would actually be higher then (deferred compensation is always discounted).

    Adding on to that:

    “Hopefully this is the last place I’ll end up playing. That’s so rare in this league these days. It’s so rare to see a person have a five-, eight-, 10-, 12-year career in one place. And I feel very fortunate that it looks like that’s going to be my future.”

    Carson Palmer’s words from his presser when signing his extension… years AFTER being part of this organization… not as a rookie, after knowing what the Bengals were all about.

    And anyone saying Carson ‘put up with’ Chad and TO? Carson LOBBIED for Chad and TO, he practically BEGGED for TO last offseason. Same with Benson. Carson previously stumped for Laverneous Coles (who sucked). Carson has basically been granted anything he’s asked for, and he has been on a sharp and steady decline since 2005.

    Prisco nailed it:
    Yet when you cut right through the reasons and rhetoric coming from the Palmer camp, the reality is this is nothing more than a me-first approach, only in softer tones than some other players might handle the situation.
    ~~
    If Palmer plays for the Bengals, he would be throwing to first-round pick A.J. Green, second-year players Jordan Shipley and tight end Jermaine Gresham, both coming off impressive rookie seasons, and Jerome Simpson and Andre Caldwell, two young players who impressed late last season.
    ~~
    The Bengals stood by him through a major knee injury he suffered in the playoffs after the 2005 season. They also had to deal with his constant elbow problems that sometimes made his passes float and forced him to miss 12 games in 2008.
    ~~
    Brown is a lot of things, and some insist a lot of them aren’t good. But there is talent on the roster, and somebody brought it there. They have a nice tandem of corners — if they keep Johnathan Joseph — a good left tackle in Andrew Whitworth and some good young pass rushers like Carlos Dunlap.
    ~~
    Palmer was the one who said it’s rare to see a player stay with one team for 10-12 years. The Bengals are willing to make that a reality. Now it’s time for Palmer to live up to his end of that deal.

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/15341423/man-of-his-word-palmer-has-previous-promise-to-keep

  137. lgwelsh1 says: Jul 26, 2011 3:11 PM

    I like Carson, he is one of the good guys in the league. He put up with a lot of drama in Cinci….BUT he signed a contract.

    You hate to see a player retire over a bad situation who has plenty left in the tank.

    There has to be a way to work this out, nobody is winning in this situation.

  138. NoWearMan says: Jul 26, 2011 3:12 PM

    Yes, they can cut a player any time they like before the end of the contract. However (and it amazes me how small minded and ignorant many of you are), THESE PLAYERS GET SIGNING BONUSES WHEN THEY SIGN THE CONTRACT.

    ENOUGH with the “What about all of the players that get cut to meet the cap before their contracts are up?” crap. They got their money up front.

    I am a Browns fan, but I gotta say way to go Mike Brown. (And Mike Browns dad is NOT “Mike Brown Sr.”…..idiot)

  139. pitch87mph says: Jul 26, 2011 3:32 PM

    This is a classic example of a guy cutting off his nose to spite his face. He did the same with Ochocinco. My recollection is that the Redskins (or someone) was offering a 1st round pick when Chad wanted out (maybe more? don’t recall) and Brown refused. And instead he got to overpay for Ochostinko thereafter. That situation was a little different because Ochostinko is a malcontent–which in some ways should have made it an EASIER decision… but I digress on Ochostinko.

    Listen. I’m all for guys like Mike Brown–who are principled guys. But principles shouldn’t be hard and fast RULES, per se, imho. They’re generally used to guide us, but should be relaxed when the facts and circumstances warrant it. This is a case where the coach has moved on, the player has moved on, and even the franchise has moved on (with the drafting of Dalton). I would bet Brown could get a 1st round pick out of Palmer–maybe more. He’s in his prime at the most important position, and if I was the Cardinals, Niners or Seahawks (among others in desperate need of a QB), I’d gamble my 1st round pick next year for a potential franchise QB. If Kevin Kolb can fetch a 1st rounder (which seems to be the asking price), Palmer can fetch one–and you probably don’t even need to redo his contract (and it’s pretty manageable from what I recall). Palmer isn’t some malcontent who’s just trying to get his name in the press and get “his way” without any evidence to support that he deserves the opportunity to move on. It’s not about money either (from all accounts). I can understand Brown feeling a bit “dissed”. But he needs to accept responsibility for the fact he has a dysfunctional franchise–and Palmer has CHOSEN to NOT deal with that crap anymore (who can blame him?). There’s NO REASON they couldn’t work something out where Palmer returned a pro-rata share of any signing bonus he may have received (to offset any financial loss) and then shipped him off to a QB needy team–helping out a guy who’s been loyal longer than most people in that situation would have been, as well as helping out your team in the future.

    This is not principled–this is STUBBORN! And STUPID! Precedents are overrated. The facts and circumstances are different in every case. And this is one where, imho, the facts and circumstances say it’s best for everyone to MOVE ON! As dysfunctional as my Bills are, they at least have the wisdom to cut their losses when it becomes obvious a change is needed (Lynch, McGahee, Bledsoe, Losman, Edwards… the list is too long–which tells you why the Bills are bottom feeders).

  140. madmax80 says: Jul 26, 2011 4:43 PM

    All Palmer has to do is wait until the Bengals are close to the salary cap and then un-retire (a la Favre). They will have to cut him.

    I know the Bengals don’t usually get close to the salary cap limit, but now they have to with the new mandatory spending floor increase.

  141. granadafan says: Jul 26, 2011 5:22 PM

    From an outsider’s point of view, both sides (Palmer and Brown) are being d-bags. Palmer is screaming that the Bungles haven’t put together a team that can compete and he’s tired of it, but is still not being professional or living up to his contract. Brown is going Al Davis on Palmer, but still hasn’t put together a stable and viable organization that is considered a joke in the NFL. The team is inept and full of criminals.

  142. bonniebengal says: Jul 26, 2011 5:33 PM

    I can’t believe it’s so awful that Carson Palmer is expected to honor the 4 years left on his contract and earn $40 million. Who here wouldn’t do that?

  143. Deb says: Jul 26, 2011 5:44 PM

    I get why some people are applauding Brown’s stance. But this is an unfortunate situation, and it would be better for his team if Brown would stop stamping his feet and just trade his QB.

    Palmer is visibly burned out on Cincy. He has honored his contract and given the Bengals his best for years. If he goes somewhere else, he may rediscover his love for the game. And Cincy may get good value for the trade that will benefit them more than a guy who just quits or comes back another year older and out of shape.

  144. mdnittlion says: Jul 26, 2011 8:02 PM

    @ Deb

    That’s a much better way to put it than I would have said it. I get Mike Brown’s position, but I know every kid that plays Pee Wee football dreams of making into the league, only to have that dream crushed by playing on a team that will never win anything & having a head coach constantly on the hot seat & team mates more concerned with their “Brand” than performance on the field & management more concentrated on turning a profit than winning championships. If I were Carson I’d be burned out with making no real runs at the Trophy this far in my career.

    By the way how bad would it be if the new slogan for a franchise is: “Our players biggest reward is leaving”. There has to be a reason why this team was picked Worst Franchise out of 122 by ESPN.

  145. sterilizecromartie says: Jul 26, 2011 9:13 PM

    @ preludetosmack

    And there is it.

    Thank you.

  146. er0ck5 says: Jul 26, 2011 10:00 PM

    I’ve seen the argument here that Palmer signed a contract, he should honor it, and commending Mike Brown. If you say all players should honor their contracts and play them out, then you’d better believe all teams should not be allowed to cut anyone. It’s got to work both ways.

    Mike Brown is being stubborn. Do you really want someone on your team who doesn’t want to be there? The answer should be “no.” So then, wouldn’t it behoove the Bengals to get value for Palmer, when many teams could use a QB? Or do they think it benefits them more to not get more talent for themselves and not have Palmer play for another franchise?

  147. phonecops says: Jul 26, 2011 10:10 PM

    Does this mean the bengals are not going to cut anyone under contract?
    Ever again?

    never mind.

  148. vikesfansteve says: Jul 28, 2011 1:40 PM

    What player with even a half a brain would sign on this team?

  149. rollerino1 says: Jul 29, 2011 1:20 AM

    I don’t care what anyone says, if a person walks out on a $118 million dollar contract, they are miserable doing what they do.

  150. jfever24 says: Jul 29, 2011 11:34 AM

    The Brown family is the main problem with this franchise. If they would have traded Palmer… let him go, they could have potentially received a draft pick or two (maybe later picks, but still) that could have helped their francise. It blows my mind how stubburn people can be. Cinci is bound and determined to put sub standard teams on the field. Funny how when they won div. in 09, they come back in 10 and completely go away from their strentghs. Honetly one of the poorest run organizations in the NFL. It starts on top with the Brown family. Look in the mirror and do some self reflecting. Ask yourself; What could I do today to improve this franchise. If you can think of nothing, you need to get another job.

  151. arnoldziffel says: Jul 31, 2011 9:31 AM

    Every team in the league breaks a contract every time they cut a player. That’s just business in the NFL.

    Perhaps Mike Brown should quit worrying about “rewarding” Carson and start thinking about REWARDING those brave souls who are actually Bengal fans …

    One way to do this would be to trade Carson Palmer for a draft pick or two, then use those picks to select talented football players in next year’s draft.

    Another way to REWARD long suffering Bengal fans would be to resign your talented free agents … the latest team to cherry pick the Bungles is the Texans … who literally stole a pretty good defensive back because silver spooned Mike didn’t pony up.

  152. theoriginalcaptainmarvel says: Jul 31, 2011 11:37 AM

    Vikings fan here, outsider looking in. Taking a hard line is fine if you’re Bill Belichick or a proven winner. But it sounds really really bad when you’re a perennial loser, and you’re going after your best and most loyal player. This is the NFL. This is Carson Palmer’s career. Let the man go for gosh sakes. If I was Carson Palmer, I’d tell this clown Mike Brown to go you-know-what himself.

  153. pigeonpea says: Jul 31, 2011 12:40 PM

    Heh… Even though Palmer has been relatively quiet about the crappy franchise he is playing for, Mike Brown won’t “reward” him with a trade. Brown will, however, deal Asso Holo to a team that is a legit contender for another Lombardi, despite 85 being an overrated underachieving, loudmouth.

    arnoldziffel says:
    One way to do this would be to trade Carson Palmer for a draft pick or two, then use those picks to select talented football players in next year’s draft.

    The problem is that the “talented” players the Bungles pick up always seem to have serious character flaws.

  154. pigeonpea says: Jul 31, 2011 12:45 PM

    bonniebengal says:
    I can’t believe it’s so awful that Carson Palmer is expected to honor the 4 years left on his contract and earn $40 million. Who here wouldn’t do that?

    Brown would look like a real genius if Palmer showed up, collected his paycheck and took off every other play. How can you force a player to compete at a high level if they don’t want to be there in the first place? Sounds like the Bungles are headed for yet another losing season. But if it is any consolation, they are definitely in the mix for the Andrew Luck lottery next draft!

  155. botchedextrapoint says: Jul 31, 2011 11:10 PM

    I was hoping that Chad would tweet “can’t believe I’ve been traded. I have a contract and thought MB would honor it”. He was just happy to get out. I’d be saying Carson should honor his contract if he played for any other team. Mike Brown has used up any goodwill or benefit of the doubt you might give him

  156. sieg1234 says: Aug 2, 2011 6:33 PM

    “Reward” him? Carson put his all into that terrible organization, terrible city (sorry Cinci, you’re city sucks), and probably the worst front office in all of football. And you can’t even give him the due diligence to trade him? What a joke.

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