Brown would look like a real genius if Palmer showed up, collected his paycheck and took off every other play. How can you force a player to compete at a high level if they don’t want to be there in the first place? Sounds like the Bungles are headed for yet another losing season. But if it is any consolation, they are definitely in the mix for the Andrew Luck lottery next draft!

arnoldziffel says:
One way to do this would be to trade Carson Palmer for a draft pick or two, then use those picks to select talented football players in next year’s draft.

The problem is that the “talented” players the Bungles pick up always seem to have serious character flaws.

Perhaps Mike Brown should quit worrying about “rewarding” Carson and start thinking about REWARDING those brave souls who are actually Bengal fans …

One way to do this would be to trade Carson Palmer for a draft pick or two, then use those picks to select talented football players in next year’s draft.

Another way to REWARD long suffering Bengal fans would be to resign your talented free agents … the latest team to cherry pick the Bungles is the Texans … who literally stole a pretty good defensive back because silver spooned Mike didn’t pony up.

never mind.

Mike Brown is being stubborn. Do you really want someone on your team who doesn’t want to be there? The answer should be “no.” So then, wouldn’t it behoove the Bengals to get value for Palmer, when many teams could use a QB? Or do they think it benefits them more to not get more talent for themselves and not have Palmer play for another franchise?

And there is it.

Thank you.

That’s a much better way to put it than I would have said it. I get Mike Brown’s position, but I know every kid that plays Pee Wee football dreams of making into the league, only to have that dream crushed by playing on a team that will never win anything & having a head coach constantly on the hot seat & team mates more concerned with their “Brand” than performance on the field & management more concentrated on turning a profit than winning championships. If I were Carson I’d be burned out with making no real runs at the Trophy this far in my career.

By the way how bad would it be if the new slogan for a franchise is: “Our players biggest reward is leaving”. There has to be a reason why this team was picked Worst Franchise out of 122 by ESPN.

Palmer is visibly burned out on Cincy. He has honored his contract and given the Bengals his best for years. If he goes somewhere else, he may rediscover his love for the game. And Cincy may get good value for the trade that will benefit them more than a guy who just quits or comes back another year older and out of shape.

I know the Bengals don’t usually get close to the salary cap limit, but now they have to with the new mandatory spending floor increase.

Listen. I’m all for guys like Mike Brown–who are principled guys. But principles shouldn’t be hard and fast RULES, per se, imho. They’re generally used to guide us, but should be relaxed when the facts and circumstances warrant it. This is a case where the coach has moved on, the player has moved on, and even the franchise has moved on (with the drafting of Dalton). I would bet Brown could get a 1st round pick out of Palmer–maybe more. He’s in his prime at the most important position, and if I was the Cardinals, Niners or Seahawks (among others in desperate need of a QB), I’d gamble my 1st round pick next year for a potential franchise QB. If Kevin Kolb can fetch a 1st rounder (which seems to be the asking price), Palmer can fetch one–and you probably don’t even need to redo his contract (and it’s pretty manageable from what I recall). Palmer isn’t some malcontent who’s just trying to get his name in the press and get “his way” without any evidence to support that he deserves the opportunity to move on. It’s not about money either (from all accounts). I can understand Brown feeling a bit “dissed”. But he needs to accept responsibility for the fact he has a dysfunctional franchise–and Palmer has CHOSEN to NOT deal with that crap anymore (who can blame him?). There’s NO REASON they couldn’t work something out where Palmer returned a pro-rata share of any signing bonus he may have received (to offset any financial loss) and then shipped him off to a QB needy team–helping out a guy who’s been loyal longer than most people in that situation would have been, as well as helping out your team in the future.

This is not principled–this is STUBBORN! And STUPID! Precedents are overrated. The facts and circumstances are different in every case. And this is one where, imho, the facts and circumstances say it’s best for everyone to MOVE ON! As dysfunctional as my Bills are, they at least have the wisdom to cut their losses when it becomes obvious a change is needed (Lynch, McGahee, Bledsoe, Losman, Edwards… the list is too long–which tells you why the Bills are bottom feeders).

ENOUGH with the “What about all of the players that get cut to meet the cap before their contracts are up?” crap. They got their money up front.

I am a Browns fan, but I gotta say way to go Mike Brown. (And Mike Browns dad is NOT “Mike Brown Sr.”…..idiot)

You hate to see a player retire over a bad situation who has plenty left in the tank.

There has to be a way to work this out, nobody is winning in this situation.

That said, I have to agree with the minority here… Mike Brown is not going to get anything more today than he will get next March/April for Carson, and anything he gets isn’t going to be usable until next April. He can trade him then for just as much as he can now, and the value would actually be higher then (deferred compensation is always discounted).

Adding on to that:

“Hopefully this is the last place I’ll end up playing. That’s so rare in this league these days. It’s so rare to see a person have a five-, eight-, 10-, 12-year career in one place. And I feel very fortunate that it looks like that’s going to be my future.”

Carson Palmer’s words from his presser when signing his extension… years AFTER being part of this organization… not as a rookie, after knowing what the Bengals were all about.

And anyone saying Carson ‘put up with’ Chad and TO? Carson LOBBIED for Chad and TO, he practically BEGGED for TO last offseason. Same with Benson. Carson previously stumped for Laverneous Coles (who sucked). Carson has basically been granted anything he’s asked for, and he has been on a sharp and steady decline since 2005.

Prisco nailed it:
Yet when you cut right through the reasons and rhetoric coming from the Palmer camp, the reality is this is nothing more than a me-first approach, only in softer tones than some other players might handle the situation.
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If Palmer plays for the Bengals, he would be throwing to first-round pick A.J. Green, second-year players Jordan Shipley and tight end Jermaine Gresham, both coming off impressive rookie seasons, and Jerome Simpson and Andre Caldwell, two young players who impressed late last season.
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The Bengals stood by him through a major knee injury he suffered in the playoffs after the 2005 season. They also had to deal with his constant elbow problems that sometimes made his passes float and forced him to miss 12 games in 2008.
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Brown is a lot of things, and some insist a lot of them aren’t good. But there is talent on the roster, and somebody brought it there. They have a nice tandem of corners — if they keep Johnathan Joseph — a good left tackle in Andrew Whitworth and some good young pass rushers like Carlos Dunlap.
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Palmer was the one who said it’s rare to see a player stay with one team for 10-12 years. The Bengals are willing to make that a reality. Now it’s time for Palmer to live up to his end of that deal.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/15341423/man-of-his-word-palmer-has-previous-promise-to-keep

Nobody won that one as Sanders was forced to retire and the Lions wound up having one of the worst decades in history after that, at least in part because they got no value for Sanders near the end of his career and they didn’t get his last couple of glory years either.

I think the Bengals are asking for a terrible span of years if they can’t get this resolved in a way that gets them some value in return. They’re playing in the same division as the Steelers and Ravens and they’re not going to catch any breaks over the next few seasons. They need to get something good for Palmer and the only way to do that is to trade him before he retires. One he’s retired the value they can get will plummet and all the leverage will be on his side.

I respect Brown for his stance, but his stubborness is really hurting his team.

He can trade Palmer and bring back some good players in return or some high draft picks.

Just stupid.

Thats why the Bengals “are who we thought they were”

ps— they are long overdue for a new coach too.

pss–make Scott the starting RB.

How about the fact every team knows he wants out, and all the Bengals would even get are crap offers.

Sorry, Mike Brown is right here.

And don’t give me the ole, owners have no commitment when they release players… that’s built in to the contract and they STILL GET PAID what is guaranteed. if it’s not guaranteed, then it’s a clean cut. Palmers is guaranteed.

Not the same thing. Bunch of 14 year old know it alls on here that know squat.

stanklepoot says:
Jul 26, 2011 1:36 PM

Palmer isn’t one of those players that spent his money frivolously. If he never played another game, he’ll be set for life financially.

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And do you know why he is set for life financially?

Because Mike Brown paid him millions and millions of dollars to be the starting QB for the Bengals. So basically Carson is sticking it to the guy who made him richer beyond his wildest dreams. I hope he never plays in the NFL again.
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and if Mike Brown hadn’t, someone else would have been happy to. Brown didn’t give Palmer that money out of a sense of charity. He hired Palmer to play QB for the Bengals. Palmer gave Brown what he paid for. Palmer doesn’t owe Brown anything more than what he gave him. Oh, and I don’t know about Brown making Palmer richer than his wildest dreams. Your wildest dreams perhaps, but Palmer comes from money.

Maybe you should worry less about Palmer sticking it to Brown, and more about Brown sticking it to Cincy fans. The fans give Brown a heck of a lot more money than Brown game Palmer, and Brown responds by running the Bengals into the ground. Think about it, the Browns have been listed as the worst franchise in all American pro sports. Not just football, mind you, all pro sports. 122nd out of 122.

If he wants to be a man he should say why he wants out and what entitles him to keep the bonus if he breaks his contract.

This is why Brown has been known as the worst owner in the NFL for years. He will cut off his nose just to spite his face.

He couldn’t sign that nice and wealthly contract extension fast enough a few years ago.

Isn’t Brown fighting for us fans against the prima donna athlete holding teams hostage with contracts they signed?
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Tell you what. The moment the owners agree to make these contracts fully guaranteed, then I’ll agree with you. Oh, that’s right, that will never happen. Teams don’t hesitate for one second to cut a player as soon as they feel the contract no longer works in the team’s favor…no matter how many years are left on that contract. If teams have the right to cut players who are under contract, then players certainly have the right to withhold their services despite being under contract.

And Raiders too….. Just saying