Comments on: Kyle Orton outplays Tim Tebow at Broncos’ practice

By: iplaybad

iplaybad — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 00:59:53 +0000

As a Broncos fan, I am ecstatic that Orton will not be traded. Restructure his deal. Get him hooked up so that we can get right.

Is Orton the best QB in the NFL? Of course not. But, here’s what he does well…

1) He does not turn the ball over very often. If you look at Tebow’s unorthodox back foot style, you’ll notice that he hoists the ball into coverage when the pressure is on. That is a recipe for disaster and leads to LOSSES in the NFL when your team isn’t the most athletic on the field.

2) Orton has exceptional play action capability. In a run-first offense, this is a vital skill. Tebow can get it done in the short passing game. However, for 20+ yard attempts, Tebow sucks. He’s not accurate. He’s prone to have the ball knocked out of his hands with his winding motion. Orton has worked diligently to improve the speed of his release and the velocity on his already accurate deep passes.

You cannot blame the QB for a putrid defense and offense that was dead ass last in running the ball.

This report from PFT is not surprising. Tebow is awful. He should not have ever been drafted by the Broncos in the first round. Just because a horrific error was made in that draft does not imply that we ought to compound that error by starting Tebow. Intangible items like “moxie” are irrelevant to me if you don’t have the skills to back up your attitude. Tebow will make a fantastic preacher at a mega church in the Bible belt.

But, Tebow is not an NFL QB. He is terrible. The Dolphins saved us by not making this trade.

Go Broncos!

By: amuzed2dth

amuzed2dth — Fri, 29 Jul 2011 15:02:25 +0000

As a PhinFan, please Denver, dump Orton.

You deserve Tebow, he is such a nice guy.

While you are at it let Quinn go as well, he should get a another shot, his first team was a (fill in blank).

By: Wilie Beamon

Wilie Beamon — Fri, 29 Jul 2011 05:15:38 +0000

Orton is 52 tds and 3 picks in the redzone in his career thats one of the best ratios in the league

He had a 91 QBR ratiing in the redzone last year the same as Brees .

The Broncos with Orton averaged the 11th most passing tds per game in the league last year but somehow you have people running around claiming Orton chokes despite the fact that they didnt have one proven catcher on the squad .

They had one of the worst running games in the league and the running game was so bad that they were forced to insert tebow to have him run it in .

The broncos didnt have a viable receiving TE on the roster which is why this year they drafted two of them.

The best teams in the redzone have good tight ends and versatile receiving threats ,

I just dont see how they blame Orton under the circumstances .

Orton is s better QB than tebow right now whoever didnt know that mustve fell pray to the Broncos fans smear tactics.

They had to know Orton would be coming into camp looking to bust Tebows ass and embarrass the gm and OC . We all know we would if we were him after seeing there reaction and shock today you know Orton had to be laughing all the way home and will probably be looking to turn it up the next few days

By: MichaelEdits

MichaelEdits — Fri, 29 Jul 2011 03:00:54 +0000

It would be news if Tebow outplayed Orton. If they trade Orton, Elway might have to take the field.

By: mecheng04

mecheng04 — Fri, 29 Jul 2011 02:58:01 +0000

@tdrizzle74

Sorry…you beat me to the punch on my previous post…must give credit where credit is due…

By: mecheng04

mecheng04 — Fri, 29 Jul 2011 02:54:18 +0000

In the words of Allen Iverson, the illustrious orator….

“We’re talking about practice man. We’re talking about practice. We’re talking about practice. We’re not talking about the game. We’re talking about practice.

Hey it’s strange to me too but we’re talking about practice man, we’re not even talking about the game, when it actually matters, we’re talking about practice.”

And the only reason Brady Quinn is still on an NFL roster is because he looks good in practice…

Enough said???

By: beeroncos

beeroncos — Fri, 29 Jul 2011 01:08:59 +0000

Klis is not what I would call I reliable source. He spends more time playing ‘find the letters that makes words’ on his keyboard than he does paying attention to the team he gets paid to cover. Woody Paige on vacation or something?

Kyle is a solid QB, but at this point, the fans are just ready for something new to cheer for. Kyle is caught in the middle, sadly. There really is not that much risk starting Tebow, what with a new HC and philosophy. I for one would rather see 7-9 with an upside then 8-8 with the same expectations for the following season…

By: mdnittlion

mdnittlion — Fri, 29 Jul 2011 00:37:04 +0000

It can all be summed up in the following line:

“Brady Quinn looked better than Tebow”

Enough Said

By: imgigharbor

imgigharbor — Thu, 28 Jul 2011 23:56:59 +0000

Listening to Klis is dangerous. Very dangerous the guy is a Bronco beat writer that hates the Broncos. All the posters on here talking great about Orton, his numbers were buitl up by throwing 65-70% of the time. He had 0 fourth quarter comebacks and a horrendous 3rd down and red-zone quarterback rating. Notice how many teams went with other quarterbacks people!

Lastly, Orton was exactly 11-18 as a starter for the Broncos. 5-13 since starting 6-0 under McDaniels, afetr everyone figured out you had to stop the run and double team Marshall.

Tebow played three games and had a most memorable fourth qaurter comeback against the Texans and another last gasp, almost pulled it off, comeback against the Chargers that left defenders from both of those teams gushing about Tebow’s moxie and playmaking ability. Also if Tebow falls on his face Denver will know what they have then, Orton has proven he is a stop gap no more, no less.

By: centexhorn

centexhorn — Thu, 28 Jul 2011 23:54:42 +0000

I don’t think Orton is a winner like Tebow is. Maybe he looked more the part, but the conventional-looking guy is not always the guy that will win the most games. I think Tebow’s got more hunger to win. And he’s a tough mother f**ker.

By: ratbastardshanahandjob

ratbastardshanahandjob — Thu, 28 Jul 2011 23:46:54 +0000

No surprise Kyle Orton can outplay Timmy Rah-Rah…..Randy Orton probably could to…….

By: casegood20

casegood20 — Thu, 28 Jul 2011 23:43:04 +0000

Orton out playing Tebow…No kidding..

By: lunchbox92

lunchbox92 — Thu, 28 Jul 2011 23:28:39 +0000

Doesn’t the whole report lose credibility when it says Brady Quinn looked better?

By: lennydpocketqb

lennydpocketqb — Thu, 28 Jul 2011 22:54:49 +0000

Timothy Tebow = The Chosen One.

By: buckybadger

buckybadger — Thu, 28 Jul 2011 22:48:57 +0000

Make Tebow earn the starting job. Nothing good comes from just handing someone something. When this something is as important as your starting QB the coach should make damn sure he is putting the best guy possible in that position and not listening to the fanbase or any other reason.

I guess when you just hand our front office jobs like they did with Elway than why not do it for your QB position as well. There are dark days coming in Denver and I am not talking about that storm cloud that is coming over the mountains right now.

By: thedkexperience51

thedkexperience51 — Thu, 28 Jul 2011 22:46:40 +0000

1) This is obviously a ploy to raise Orton’s value.
2) Orton went from vastly underrated to vastly overrated. He is no team’s future unless that team wants to be mediocre.
3) Tim Tebow is an evolutionary player. It does not surprise me when people say what he can’t be, because most often the simple minded cannot notice genious even when it punches them in the face.
4) In 2 starts he had one great game and one bad one. Anyone who says they can form an opinion that he cannot play in the NFL after going for 300 yards in week 16 is an overreactionary sheep.
5) In limited duty he still accounted for 5 rushing touchdowns.
6) If you expect Tebow to be Joe Montana then you are insane. Tebow is simply a different animal. Maybe he will never be a 70% passer or throw for 4,000 yards but I bet he wins way more often then he loses. Think about it… even if he never reaches those statistical landmarks his style will move the chains and lead to high marks in clock time and low turnover totals. Those things win football games MUCH more often then being able to complete a deep out once a game.
7) 30 years ago african-american QB’s couldnt play. Those people were wrong. 20 years ago short passes were considered silly. Those people were incorrect. 5 years ago the Wildcat was surely not going to work. It did. Sometimes in order to make an omelet you need to break a few eggs… and sometimes to build a future superstar QB you need to think out of the box. Just put Tebow in the spread offense and let him do his thing. And now tell me how the spread offense will never work in the NFL…

By: usmutts

usmutts — Thu, 28 Jul 2011 22:43:32 +0000

I like Orton. That said, if he does go to the Dolphins, poor Reggie Bush is going to find out very fast that he’s no Brees and Spags is no Payton and – gulp – there ain’t no chance of going to a Super Bowl.

By: uconn9

uconn9 — Thu, 28 Jul 2011 22:42:51 +0000

Kyle Orton is a quality QB but he isn’t a franchise guy. Think of him as this generation’s Vinny Testaverde or Drew Bledsoe. It takes a lot of attempts for him to produce those big numbers. 1 TD for every 25 attempts – 7 yards/att? That’s Alex Smith-type numbers. Forget about all the yards he accumulates and look at his production elsewhere. He’s great at keeping control of the ball and moving the chains but he isn’t going to produce those gaudy numbers in a run-heavy attack like Fox’s.

He excels in a spread system and really that’s it. Take what you can get for him and let the run-heavy Broncos offense commence.

By: ohiogator

ohiogator — Thu, 28 Jul 2011 22:30:51 +0000

As for Quinn, been there, saw that.

By: TheWizard

TheWizard — Thu, 28 Jul 2011 22:26:25 +0000

Do they really need a July 2011 practice to know what they have in Kyle Orton?

By: mrfrostyj

mrfrostyj — Thu, 28 Jul 2011 22:23:16 +0000

For the record Brady Quinn is pretty much undefeated in the “Look good in practice” competition. Unfortunately the whole “Look good during the game” one he’s not that great at.

By: brutus9448

brutus9448 — Thu, 28 Jul 2011 22:21:32 +0000

i hope miami passes on orton. Go with henne one more year and save the pick to move up in the draft next year to get one of the best QBs

By: sourdough

sourdough — Thu, 28 Jul 2011 22:20:44 +0000

In other news water is wet.
The Donkos are screwed this season…again.

By: Spencer

Spencer — Thu, 28 Jul 2011 22:15:03 +0000

The Broncos will lose with either one, I don’t know what people are so excited about. Don’t worry, Andrew Luck is coming next year. Elway will see to it.

By: thetooloftools

thetooloftools — Thu, 28 Jul 2011 22:14:51 +0000

Team Tebow better have a backup plan if they send Orton packing. His arm will eventually have to get him out of trouble his legs no longer will if he can’t check off to other receivers

By: citiciti

citiciti — Thu, 28 Jul 2011 22:10:04 +0000

FARVE-FARVE-FARVE.LMFAO

By: metalhead65

metalhead65 — Thu, 28 Jul 2011 22:04:12 +0000

wow pft reporting a negative story about tebow,frankly it would be a shock if they reported anything else. even more shocking is that he actually thought he did ok.how dare he have a positive opinion of his performance when the guy reporting the story who was not there said otherwise.how about not reporting his every move and let him compete like everyone else does? also what would you expect the broncos to say about orton if they are trying to trade orton? he is a great qb but he sucked at practice today?

By: Deb

Deb — Thu, 28 Jul 2011 21:58:25 +0000

Good grief, can you fourth graders get off Tebow’s religion? What does it have to do with a QB competition? His problem is that he comes from a run-first spread offense and has a cumbersome throwing motion … not that he’s spiritual.

I’m not sold on Tebow as a pro-style QB, but he does know how to win. Funny, but I don’t recall ever seeing Orton hoist a championship trophy.

By: normanpaperman

normanpaperman — Thu, 28 Jul 2011 21:56:57 +0000

It’s easy to sum it up if you’re just talking about practice. We’re sitting here, and I’m supposed to be the franchise player, and we’re talking about practice. I mean listen, we’re sitting here talking about practice, not a game, not a game, not a game, but we’re talking about practice. Not the game that I go out there and die for and play every game last it’s my last but we’re talking about practice man. How silly is that?

By: benjaminnewcomb

benjaminnewcomb — Thu, 28 Jul 2011 21:55:10 +0000

Maybe it’s because the Broncos said yesterday that they won’t trade Orton until they get more value for him. Today; look at our great QB taking snaps with the 1st team – See he is great value.